Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Are there defined plans for the Saturday ride? Like when to be where, how long and hilly it is, etc.? I'm trying to make plans to show up for that ride, but need to start working on family logistics. And, of course, which bike to bring! René On Thursday, May 12, 2016, cyclotourist

Re: [RBW] Jan's Appaloosa

Wow! That tape is fantastic! On Thursday, May 12, 2016, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > Your wife is a lucky girl! > > On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 2:00:18 AM UTC-4, stonehog wrote: >> >> Pics of the build for my wife's new Appaloosa. Tape in honor of the late >> Prince. >> >>

[RBW] good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Working on a route. Off on an Overnight. Details soon. ~Hugh ~Hugh “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein http://velocipeedemusings.com/ On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 3:55 AM, René Sterental wrote: > Are there defined

Re: [RBW] Re: Bicycling Magazine redeems itself...a little.

I was a little known member of the Bicycling Magazine editorial health board from 1987 to 2001. Ed Pavelka, Fred Matheny, Dr. Ed Burke and the entirety of the editorial health board were summarily dismissed at the same time. Dr Bernie Burton On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 10:59 PM, Patrick Moore

[RBW] Clementine build question

I have a puzzling problem. I'm building a single speed Clementine for myself, and for chain line reasons I need to use a 131mm BB (with an ISO taper to accommodate a Paul crank I have available). Harris Cyclery had a Phil BB that fit the bill. Here's the puzzle: I took out the Shimano 110mm

[RBW] Re: Wiring a Spanninga dyno tail light question...

The Spanninga wire connector system is not the best, but it's designed to be "easy" (for what it's worth). Yes you only pass bare wire through the connector on the back. the little plastic piece is removable, and is used to pinch the bare wire ends against terminals inside the taillight. Make

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

"Couldn't be easier" is, in my experience over 4 bikes with various cable disk systems, not quite accurate. It's certainly not rocket science, and *once you find the right method* it is straightforward, but it took me a long while to find that method. Sidepulls are easiest. V brakes, at least

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

This anti-disc, pro rim-brake argument feels like flogging a dead horse. I've ridden more than enough disc brake bikes to know the appeal and see/feel firsthand how they surpass rim brakes in so many ways. I'm in no way anti-rim brake, in fact I'm usually the odd-man out on rides as the only

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Servicing discs could not be easier. Hydraulic's are a bit more finicky, but they're no more difficult to dial in than my Paul canti's are. Changing the pads takes 60 seconds. Actually the more I think about it, the more I think discs are much easier to setup and service than rim brakes. You just

Re: [RBW] Re: Bicycling Magazine redeems itself...a little.

That's the group I remember; I think the magazine was more interesting back then. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 8:42 AM, Bernie Burton wrote: > I was a little known member of the Bicycling Magazine editorial health > board from 1987 to 2001. Ed Pavelka, Fred Matheny, Dr. Ed

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Mechanics aside . disc brakes are just plain aesthetically unappealing :) I can't use any brake lever I want to either, and you have to dish the front wheel stupid stuff like this ... goes on and on. On this I'm happily a s n o b ! I wouldn't expect Riv to add disc brakes

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

The big push for discs is because they work better, period. Some people are happy to have brakes that work 'well enough'. Like I said before, if I always rode in fair weather, I too wouldn't care about having discs. But if you ride in snow, rain, wet mud, swampy terrain, etc, it becomes very

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Great post, I always enjoy Grant's writings. Physics aside, I don't completely buy his staunch position on disks. I would certainly consider disks on future bikes (a serious dirt bike, my next winter slushmobile). I imagine disk brakes (or some of them at least) are adequately user-serviceable

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I am a satisfied rim braker. I've never seriously considered riding discs but I can see the attraction in avoiding compromised braking in the wet and annoying mud on rim grinding noises when off road. One big factor that Grant has missed is the wear effect of rim brakes. Sooner or later the

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I read Grant's post yesterday and thought it pretty moderate. He defends rim brakes, and explains the disadvantages of disk brakes, but he nowhere says that rim brakes are always better or that disk brakes are never useful. As far as Grant's assertions go, I agree with him -- most riders, for

Re: [RBW] Re: Wiring a Spanninga dyno tail light question...

Anton: please describe in excruciating detail your method of getting uncooperative wire through such narrow holes and tubes, and out again. I've done it 3 times (through rack tubes) and each time it was, so to say, annoying, and each time breakage of the wire was imminent. In one stubborn case I

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I suppose ease of brake setup will vary from person to person. I find setting up canti's a pain in the butt mostly because of the pad angle business. Finding the right toe-in for strong braking, no squealing or shuddering, is a bit of a dark magic for me. I usually do the old 'business card

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

On 05/13/2016 12:26 PM, Mark Reimer wrote: I suppose ease of brake setup will vary from person to person. I find setting up canti's a pain in the butt mostly because of the pad angle business. Finding the right toe-in for strong braking, no squealing or shuddering, is a bit of a dark magic

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I think I recently posted a link to the remarks of an ex pro who slammed the marketing and said that the peloton is really no better off with them. Having ridden cable disks on road many a mile, as well as all the kinds of rim brakes, I can say confidently that, in my own experience, they don't

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I want to be clear that I DON'T think everyone needs or should ride discs. I'm simply saying that in certain circumstances they work better than rim brakes, and as a result have a valuable place in cycling. What works for you may not work for others, that kinda thing. I love rim brakes. I also

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

It almost sounds to me like Grant is arguing with himself inside his own noggin over adding disc brakes to his line up. Or was this started by customers? As I was reading, I thought to myself, "Ok, my Hunqapillar is a touring bike rated to carrying a load up to 360lbs, we (Riv & I) live in

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

And the wheel goes around & around Doug p -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Riv's love child - new build

Very nice build; it looks great! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send

Re: [RBW] Carry a Multi-tool or loose tools, and why?

+1 for the Topeak Ratchet Tool. So perfect! I'm evaluating everything else, so far additionally I carry two tubes, patch kit, 4-6 CO2 cartridges with valve, tire levers and a Swiss Army knife. Sometimes a small pump but have yet to use it. Seldom puncture in the Bay Area. Running Compass tires in

Re: [RBW] RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Wonderful! Enjoy it! On Friday, May 13, 2016, Hugh Smitham wrote: > Working on a route. Off on an Overnight. Details soon. > > ~Hugh > > ~Hugh > > “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep > moving.” ― Albert Einstein > >

Re: [RBW] WTB: Brown or Honey B17

I have a special with Tiranium rails, I believe. René On Friday, May 13, 2016, René Sterental wrote: > I think I do. I'm traveling now but will check my photos. Preparing a lot > of stuff for sale... > > René > > On Tuesday, May 10, 2016, Eric Norris

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I tend to agree Mark. Although I don't know a lot of people who ride in such conditions as you do. Paul touring cantis have been usually great, even in the rain. But with a good load on the bike, in the rain going downhill, rim brakes I can it quickly getting dicey. One of the many reasons I

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Brakes are important. Whatever type you have on your bike, make sure they work well.Pick the type that will work for you and the riding that you do. For me, my next frame will be a disc road. Grant is an excellent writer who designs very pretty bicycles.He writes wonderfully and can

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Mark, You make a good case for the virtues of disc brakes, just as Grant did for rim brakes. I've found both points of view and arguments/examples illuminating. I think this kind of cordial disagreement represents the best of online discussion -- it offers up more information for those of us

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I think Grant was referring to the danger of this force bending a fork that is not sufficiently stout - ie, designed for disk braking, and, second, the danger of this force pushing the axle out of the dropouts. I've heard that drum brakes too can crumple an insufficiently stout fork, and seen

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Rim wear is an issue actually. I have worn out rims in under 5 years easily. Remember the wet, muddy, swampy riding conditions I mentioned? And add racing CX with sand to the equation? You don't need hills to wear out rims. In my personal experience, persistent brake squeal is not restricted to

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Score: Rim brakes: 1 Disk brakes: 1 Patrick "likem both" Moore, who was just telling someone he really wants a bike with drum brakes too, in ABQ, NM. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] WTB: Brown or Honey B17

I think I do. I'm traveling now but will check my photos. Preparing a lot of stuff for sale... René On Tuesday, May 10, 2016, Eric Norris wrote: > Used is OK. Larger rivets preferred, but not required. Anybody got one? > > --Eric Norris > campyonly...@me.com

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

im no scientist, and ive never used disc brakes, but the argument that the stopping force near the hub is too extreme doesnt really work in my head, as long as modulation is in play. i would understand it, if he is talking about locking up the wheel on a regular basis, but assuming that's not

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I bent the left blade of a Reynolds 531 fork on my touring bike around 1980 or so using a Phil Wood disc brake. Fork blades for disc brakes must be a lot stiffer than they need to be for rim brakes. By the way, I then fitted the disc brake to my Raleigh Pro track bike and it worked just dandily

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I like your summary better than I like grant's post :p On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 1:09:29 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I disagree that Grant's BLUG post is against disc brakes at all, much less > adamantly against them. My summary of Grant's BLUG post is: > > - Rim brakes are adequate for

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I'm puzzled that you are puzzled, Mark in Beacon. I used the term 'better' to mean 'more powerful, but overkill for most situations', which is what I think Grant said and what he meant. I'm sorry if that was not clear. I used the phrase "three things wrong with rim brakes" to mean exactly

[RBW] Re: 650b x 47c to fit 2016/2017 Hunqapillar & Atlantis?

We've never physically seen a 650B Hunqapillar or Atlantis yet, but Grant has indicated that both are going to be coming. I have not seen what size(s) of each model will be 650B. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 3:08:36 PM UTC-7, Robert Rutter wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: WTT: Albastache for 58cm Bosco

Funny, & your timing may be perfect, I just removed the Boscos off my Clementine & was wanting some Albastaches for another build. They are the wide one's, PM me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

[RBW] Blue bars

I have been riding the Clementine with the wide Boscos since I built her up and asuch ad liked them I could only get them to about 90% of how I thought they should feel on that bike. Conversely, I've had these old cruiser bats for 15 or so years and they never really workef on anything I put

[RBW] FS (possibly) 2012 Red Roadeo 59cm complete bike

Rivendell Roadeo 59cm, new in spring 2012. Thinking of selling, Complete bike minus saddle and pedals (and saddlebag and water bottle cages). Just trying to

[RBW] Re: Interesting flower I saw on ride today.

This morning, I stepped outside my office here in San Francisco to make a call from the park across the street, saw these flowers, and said to myself, "Hey, I know what tree that is!" You learn all sorts of things here! :) John On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 7:57:28 AM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote: > >

[RBW] Re: Wiring a Spanninga dyno tail light question...

Thanks Anton, The 1/4 inch hole for the wires is in *addition t*o the two mounting holes that need to be drilled for the Pixeo light? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails

Re: [RBW] WTB: Wide/Low crankset

I have a X2D with 38 in middle position, 24 in granny, guard on outside. 172.5, used but nice looking. RIngs very little worn. $40 shipped CONUS. On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 4:07 PM, ian m wrote: > Prefer the Sugino version but would entertain the Clem take-off option ! > >

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Just ride.then just brake On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 7:19:47 AM UTC-7, Will wrote: > > Might be nice to push back to GP and encourage more of these posts. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith 52cm Offroader

I have a Jones Plus , but reading this really makes want to throw a leg over the regular Jones as well. And a Clem (though I'm kind of waiting for a big RB Project bike...) Eric On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 8:55 PM, iamkeith

[RBW] Re: Gifford Pinchot NF

Gum and Nuts, We are thinking of the same thing. Leave out of Portland and spend 6 to 7 days exploring the GP. Would be good to hear about your travels Curtis On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Gum N Nuts wrote: > The bicycle quarterly people are hosting their annual thing

Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Yes, definitely! Glad this topic came back around, I've been meaning to talk it up a bit now that the date is closer. Space for the whole weekend as well as the above-mentioned Saturday ramble. Anyone who wants to commit with their hard-earned cash, just pm me at the cyclotourist gmail address.

Re: [RBW] Re: Gifford Pinchot NF

Man I'm loving your photo stream. The older I get, the more I miss the NW. -Oregon native that's been in Texas for a while. On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:08 PM, Leaf Slayer wrote: > I've done a fair amount of riding and bike camping in the GPNF and use the > FS map. It's

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Well then Bill, let's just agree to agree! Quite convivial. On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 6:23:00 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > I'm puzzled that you are puzzled, Mark in Beacon. > > I used the term 'better' to mean 'more powerful, but overkill for most > situations', which is what I think

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Acorn saddlebag medium

At one point Acorn had an M (which this definitely is not) an M/L and an L. This does not look to me to be the L, but an M/L. Toshi On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I'm getting responses that this is not a medium, so maybe it's large? > > On Friday,

[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

Hey folks, I'd love to join in if there's still space! Been meaning to check it out for a while now. Well done! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I am puzzled as to how you concluded Grant thinks disc brakes are "better." That is a vague term in the best of scenarios; given the various points and counterpoints brought up in the post, it seems more your preconceived conclusion than Petersen's opinion in the piece. "Disc brakes are fine,

[RBW] Re: (no longer FS:) Clem Smith 52cm Offroader

Thanks to iamkeith for the excellent in-depth write-up of the comparison between the Clem and the Jones. Having done some more riding on this fat tire Clem now, I definitely agree with his assessment. The long chsinstays definitely make it less quick and less conducive to popping up the front

[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith 52cm Offroader

If I remember right Belopsky, are you in Michigan? I have recently plunged on a Jones Diamond with unicorn fork. Oddly simple but has something I have not found in a bike...until now. I'm near Midland if you ever want a test ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

[RBW] Re: Long/scenic day rides to do from the New York City area

I've done variations on the Van Cortlandt ride and the Poughkeepsie ride. They're both fun, but riding between Poughkeepsie and Beacon on the west side of the river is really nice. Lots of quiet back road and rail trails. And there are a ton of variations you can do- I like riding through New

[RBW] 650b x 47c to fit 2016/2017 Hunqapillar & Atlantis?

http://www.wtb.com/pages/road-plus I was reading about WTB's new "road plus" tires, and noticed that they listed 2016/2017 model Rivendell's as bikes that will accept the new tire size. I think currently the 650b size is only for smaller frame sizes on the Hunqapillar & Atlantis - Are more

[RBW] Re: Gifford Pinchot NF

The bicycle quarterly people are hosting their annual thing out of Carson this year, June 25 & 26. Same starting area as the hinterlands loop. Might be a good opportunity to meet up and talk routing, and ride out with some folks. I'm also going to be riding the gifford pinchot June 23-27,

[RBW] Re: Interesting flower I saw on ride today.

Definitely a tulip tree. One of the largest trees you'll find east of the Mississippi. Fairly easy to spot with the unique leaves, silvery bark, and how they tend to grow so perfectly straight. Sometimes the flowers go unnoticed, though. On Monday, May 9, 2016 at 10:57:28 AM UTC-4,

Re: [RBW] Seeking Help in the San Francisco Area

Evan- Thank you for the offer to help. The seller and I have been able to work it out so I am all set. The part of the story I did not have time to type this morning when I thought the bike was getting away from me is that part of the reason for buying a bike so far from home is that I will

[RBW] ISO: One used silver shifter, no pod

Hey all. My girlfriend's relaxed surly took a tumble in the basement the other night. The cats are fine and the bike didn't land in the litter box, but the right bar end shifter snapped in half. I'm trying to get her a replacement by her birthday in a couple weeks, so if any of you have extra

[RBW] WTB: Wide/Low crankset

Prefer the Sugino version but would entertain the Clem take-off option ! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

[RBW] Re: 650b x 47c to fit 2016/2017 Hunqapillar & Atlantis?

Clem 52cm and Joe Appaloosa 51cm will take that tire. -Dave J On Friday, May 13, 2016 at 6:08:36 PM UTC-4, Robert Rutter wrote: > > http://www.wtb.com/pages/road-plus > > I was reading about WTB's new "road plus" tires, and noticed that they > listed 2016/2017 model Rivendell's as bikes that

[RBW] Blue bars

That looks sweet with the orange frame. Upgrade! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

[RBW] FS: Acorn saddlebag medium

Nice shape, all straps including to strap a jacket on top, tan, one small raspberry-looking splotch on the light-clip strap, $75 shipped. Email or text 415-786-4623 for pics Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Of course to some extent Grant's writing is designed to help his business. But I would not really categorize a 1,000-word essay about rim vs disc on his Blug as sales and marketing. For me, there were two key points in his post. First, he writes about the changes necessary in the frame when

Re: [RBW] Re: Carry a Multi-tool or loose tools, and why?

I'd rather walk the 9 miles when the 100 year storm of bike failures occurs than constantly lug around the tools to deal with it. Items I carry every ride. Medium sized Multi-tool, 1 tubes, patch kit, tire levers, pump, master link, presta/schraeder adapter, and two spare spokes that came

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Mark, I fully agree with your points on the benefits of disc brakes and also that not all riding conditions are as idealized for rim braking as Northern CA. I switched to a Jones because I found Jeff's goals in building a bike more appealing to me than Grant's goals, and I feel the Jones Plus

[RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Maybe Grant is frustrated with the lack of questioning and reflection when it comes to the type of brakes needed for riding. You can't just slap disc tabs on Riv bikes and call it a day, you have to design a bike entirely around discs, new drop outs for curved fork blades, thicker fork blades,

[RBW] Clementine build question

Maybe chase the shell? I've had different BBs fit looser and tighter in the same shell, so maybe you just need to clean those threads up a bit. It might also be a good idea to try the Phil in another frame to confirm you have the correct cups. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Parts for Sale - Shimano, Tektro, Baggins, etc.

Hi Group, I have a few items here for sale. Prices include shipping. Let me know if you need pics of anything. - Deore LX FD-M571 front derailleur. 28.6 clamp, top pull. Brand new, never used. $20 - Shimano Deore DX crank arms. 175mm length. 110/74 BCD triple. Tarnished but no

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

Sky - thanks, that was my hope. Lively debate is good. I don't care at all if no one decides to try disc brakes as a result of this thread. But I do hope readers will have a better understanding of when and where discs are an advantage. I've never had a problem braking in the mountains on my

RE: [RBW] Clementine build question

Trying the cups in a different frame is a good idea -- I'm off to my shop to do that now, and will report. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Bernard Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 1:53 PM To: RBW Owners

[RBW] FS: Tubes, ST Rubber hood Grips, 2 FW's.

brand new 13-18 Sachs Freewheel Used but very good Suntour 13-26 FW Suntour Hood Rubber grips (for drop mounted bars), NEW 4X Forte 26 1.1-1.4 tubes (in boxes) Kendra 26 1/1.25 in box Blackburn 700/20-28 in box loose with elastic still around it Blackburn, thin no box, all I can see,

[RBW] Re: Bicycling Magazine redeems itself...a little.

On Thursday, May 12, 2016 at 2:15:33 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > I'm 57 and been biking since I was a little girl. Interpret that as you > will Huh? Wouldn't it be more enlightening if you were to try to report on what has motivated the changes in your tastes? At 59 I find

[RBW] Re: Bicycling Magazine redeems itself...a little.

You asked how long I had been biking so I basically told you most of my life - since perhaps 5 years old. Not easy for a women to say her age in an open forum but I did. :) I'm very flexible if that is what you are getting at so it's not like I can't ride a road bike if I wanted/preferred

Re: [RBW] Re: good blug post on rim and disk brakes

I disagree that Grant's BLUG post is against disc brakes at all, much less adamantly against them. My summary of Grant's BLUG post is: - Rim brakes are adequate for most applications, and get a bad rap from the majority of the bicycle world in 2016 - Disc brakes are better, but most riding