Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

I’m glad to see I wasn’t alone in my reaction to this frame!

Tom thats excellent info about the drum brake service, i need to get some
of that grease.

Anyone have a picture of the ‘D Rack’? I have exchanged emails with Mike
Flanigan about the bike actually, he confirmed it was an early one of his.
Seems like a very nice guy, I didn’t realize he was back in business but
I’m happy to hear it.

Anyone have an opinion about Sturmey Archer vs Shimano drum brake IGH’s?
Not sure I’ll go that route, might stick with single speed or look at the
two speed/dinglespeed setup.

Also i’ve been out of the 700x32ish tire market a while... these drum brake
wheels will definitely penalize flat repair times so I may have to look at
more robust tires than my compass and schwable slicks lately. Riv Jack
Browns, pasaelias, the VO/panaracer tires, gravel kings... any consensus on
favorites?

Tony



On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:38 Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Tony,
>
> That's a great score and takes me back to the early 2000's when I was
> living in Cambridge / Somerville -- Mike's work was hugely influential
> on me in my nascent bike-nerd years. This bike still epitomizes
> everything a BOB-ish townie should be. I'm still searching for this
> white whale!
>
> Another important dude from that time was a mechanic(?) at the
> Broadway Bicycle Schoo, "Smasher" who preached the wonders of
> rebuilding the old Raleigh 3-speeds which littered the curbs of Boston
> every trash day. Anyone remember his web pages?
>
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 11/7/18, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> > "He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing to
> > practical bikes."
> >
> > No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH,
> pullback
> > bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and
> > "townie" wasn't a word.
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[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build

[iamkeith]

Are the chainstays long enough to allow use of all 9 cassette cogs with each 
chainting, without cross-chaining becoming an issue?  

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[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Daniel D.]

Should've made a better decision the first time swapping stems, cost for the 
third stem are on you not the style :p. I feel like the reach on my roadini is 
a little long with a 100mm stem.  I'm reluctant to swap at the moment because 
of the hassle involved.  Threadless I would've already done it...

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[RBW] Re: Feeler. FS. AHH 61 cm MUSA

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, if that's your setup I can see why you'd be interested in a 63.  
What's your saddle height as pictured?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:05 AM UTC-8, Jamo. wrote:
>
> A picture
> https://imgur.com/a/GUNYcNX
>
> Noong Miyerkules, Nobyembre 7, 2018 ng 12:09:19 PM UTC-5, si Jamo. ay 
> sumulat:
>>
>> Considering trying to get a 63 in exchange for this my 61cm MUSA AHH. 
>>  I'd consider selling complete, or frame, fork, and headset (or somewhere 
>> in-between).
>>
>> SRAM brake levers
>> 9 speed 11-32 rear cassette
>> Silver friction shifters
>> CRMA(?) noodle bars
>> Profile Design stem
>> Blue Dyad Velocity rims - 40 spoke
>> Schwalbe Kojak tires
>> Ultegra headset
>> Deore LX deraileurs
>> Sugino crankset (46-36-24) 175 crank arms
>> Planet Bike fenders
>>
>> This bike has been ridden and has cosmetic blemishes.  Nothing that 
>> compromises the integrity of the frame.
>>
>> Bought for around $1,800 and would be looking to get something similar in 
>> return.  Or trades (Chevy, Atlantis, Hunq, Homer 63)
>>
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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Christopher Murray]

Wow! What a great bike. I love ANT bikes and Mike seems like such a great guy. 
He was a visionary leaving IF to start ANT. He doesn’t get the credit he 
deserves for the shift away from racing to practical bikes. 

Happy riding!
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[sameness]

My buddy owns this one 
. Crazy how dialed 
in it is. Also crazy this was almost 11 years ago.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:30:56 AM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Or, just leaf through Mike's flickr -- starting from the back of the book! 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/antbikemike/page51 
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[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build

[Drw]

the dia-compe drop v levers are better quality than the tektro/cane creeks, 
though far from perfect. i'd love to find a way to use a better lever 
without a travel agent also. 

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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bernard]

"He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing to 
practical bikes."

No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH, pullback 
bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and "townie" 
wasn't a word. 

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[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build

[Brett Callahan]

Same question. I'm running canti pull brake levers on my MIT Atlantis with 
V-brakes, which requires a Travel Agent. I tried out the Tektro V-brake 
levers and they are hot garbage. If the Bombshell brakes work with standard 
levers, that would great!

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:35:19 AM UTC-8, Drw wrote:
>
> are you using long pull levers, or do those bombshells function as 
> mini-v's?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Patrick Moore]

I must say that this 1 cm difference in length (9 to 10) makes a
surprisingly big difference in comfort, despite the weight penalty (10
grams exactly). I'll have to just live with the weight for the sake of
comfort, but that's very Rivendellian-ish-ianesque, right?

And the bar is now 1/4" below saddle, not 1" -- it just looks low and mean.

I agree; the threadless system is more elegant in terms of means to end. I
just wish more people made better looking, silver threadless stems.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 12:54 PM jack loudon  wrote:

> I like threadless mainly because of the removable faceplate.  I change out
> handlebars and stems way too frequently, so a removable faceplate saves a
> lot of bar tape unwrapping/rewrapping.  Other reasons for threadless are:
> (a) more rigid connection with steerer tube, which I like but others may
> not; (b) easy to adjust headset in the field, and; (c) stems can be had for
> 31.8 bars.  And, (apologies to traditionalists) I also think threadless is
> a better engineering solution.  Having said all that, I prefer the looks of
> threaded, and all the benefits of threadless really don't add up to much.
>
>

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[RBW] Looking for Carradice Cadet or similar, small saddlebag, black, please.

[Patrick Moore]

Whatcha' got?

Thanks, Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bunik]

Tony! Thanks for sending me on a walk through the past, I know have
photos somewhere of lock-up ANT's w/ those racks.

Here's one that I bet this is one Mike's (it's on a Seven), likely
belonged to someone involved in the local industry
(Merlin/Seven/I.F.): https://www.flickr.com/gp/cococomomo/836YmX

And another "rando"-ANT: https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/5978844794

=- Joe

On 11/7/18, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
> I’m glad to see I wasn’t alone in my reaction to this frame!
>
> Tom thats excellent info about the drum brake service, i need to get some
> of that grease.
>
> Anyone have a picture of the ‘D Rack’? I have exchanged emails with Mike
> Flanigan about the bike actually, he confirmed it was an early one of his.
> Seems like a very nice guy, I didn’t realize he was back in business but
> I’m happy to hear it.
>
> Anyone have an opinion about Sturmey Archer vs Shimano drum brake IGH’s?
> Not sure I’ll go that route, might stick with single speed or look at the
> two speed/dinglespeed setup.
>
> Also i’ve been out of the 700x32ish tire market a while... these drum brake
> wheels will definitely penalize flat repair times so I may have to look at
> more robust tires than my compass and schwable slicks lately. Riv Jack
> Browns, pasaelias, the VO/panaracer tires, gravel kings... any consensus on
> favorites?
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:38 Joe Bunik  wrote:
>
>> Tony,
>>
>> That's a great score and takes me back to the early 2000's when I was
>> living in Cambridge / Somerville -- Mike's work was hugely influential
>> on me in my nascent bike-nerd years. This bike still epitomizes
>> everything a BOB-ish townie should be. I'm still searching for this
>> white whale!
>>
>> Another important dude from that time was a mechanic(?) at the
>> Broadway Bicycle Schoo, "Smasher" who preached the wonders of
>> rebuilding the old Raleigh 3-speeds which littered the curbs of Boston
>> every trash day. Anyone remember his web pages?
>>
>> =- Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>> On 11/7/18, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> > "He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing
>> > to
>> > practical bikes."
>> >
>> > No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH,
>> pullback
>> > bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and
>> > "townie" wasn't a word.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[jack loudon]

I like threadless mainly because of the removable faceplate.  I change out 
handlebars and stems way too frequently, so a removable faceplate saves a 
lot of bar tape unwrapping/rewrapping.  Other reasons for threadless are: 
(a) more rigid connection with steerer tube, which I like but others may 
not; (b) easy to adjust headset in the field, and; (c) stems can be had for 
31.8 bars.  And, (apologies to traditionalists) I also think threadless is 
a better engineering solution.  Having said all that, I prefer the looks of 
threaded, and all the benefits of threadless really don't add up to much.

Jack

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:17:32 AM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> There's a big difference between fiddling and fretting. I do fretting.
>
> True about reach for quill stems. More weight on the threadless side of 
> the equation. Or perhaps this: I swapped out stems more times with the 
> Matthews *because* it was so easy to do with a threadless system. I 
> recall "putting up" with slightly less than perfect reach on my erstwhile 
> Sam Hill at least partly because I didn't want to fiddle with (sorry, fret 
> about) the stem.
>
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Patrick,
>>
>> Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? 
>> Seriously? I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of 
>> fiddling (off the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various 
>> kinds]; custom cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.)
>>
>> But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you 
>> probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, 
>> to vary the reach as much as you had. 
>>
>> Tom Milani
>> Alexandria, VA
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>>>
>>> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At 
>>> first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is 
>>> removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... 
>>> especially if you know about where you want your bars.
>>>
>>> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering 
>>> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate 
>>> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. 
>>>
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[RBW] Another take on beausage

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm riding a lot lately.  I'm seriously anxious about being a quality 
ride-leader for the El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team, and 
the first official team practice for the new season is Sunday (11/11/19). 
Trying to get in shape enough to begin training, I've been riding a lot.  
My standard Strava weekly goal has been 200 miles a week.  Also on Strava, 
I noticed that my first ever fully documented 5000 mile year is within 
reach, so I'm driving towards that.  I've already placed a 10,000km goal 
for next year (6214 miles).  There's still an outside chance that I could 
make it to 10,000km in 2018, but I'd have to ride every single day and ride 
at least 30 miles every single day for the rest of the year.  If the 
weather cooperates, it may be possible.  

Packing on a bunch of miles has me also working on spreading the love 
around my stable.  Rather than regarding my fleet as a rack of sweaters, 
I'm focusing on just two or three at a time.  I'm using that subset of 
bikes as the 'active rotation' until I've logged over 1000 miles on that 
bike on Strava, then I move it out of the active rotation and put something 
else in its place.  As of today, the three active rotation bikes are:

1. my Gunnar "Doublespeed", which is my daily commuter.  My normal daily 
commute is ~37 miles round trip, so that commuter slot racks up mileage 
pretty quickly.  The Doublespeed is at 441 miles as of today, so I'll 
probably get that bike to 1000 miles in 3-4 weeks
2. Leo Roadini, which is my all road bike.  Once a week I do a full road 
ride into my office with my more normal bike + BART commute back, making a 
~58 mile day.  Sometimes I'll do a longish road ride on the weekend as 
well.  That bike is at 700 miles, so I'll probably take that bike over 1000 
miles with the Uvas Gold 200k brevet on December 1.  
3. My Niner Air 9 carbon mountain bike.  Its at 950 miles, and I've done a 
few rides on it on the build up to Mountain Bike season.  I'll be using it 
plenty in the next several months, so I'm in no particular rush to get to 
1000 soon.

This process has me kind of thinking about 'beausage' in a different way. 
I've normally thought of beausage as the wear and tear that makes a used 
thing more beautiful. It's like a justification for equipment being beat-up 
looking. Now I'm thinking about it in a different way. A bike that is being 
used is beautiful because it is being used. If you are 'not in love' with 
one of your bikes, ride it a lot.  If you start riding a lot and you can't 
stand doing it, get rid of it. You might find, though, that riding that 
bike a lot makes you like it more and more. "Beauty from usage" says 
nothing about fraying edges, scratches and holes worn through.  That thing 
is beautiful because you used it.  

I'm going through that process with my Doublespeed. I call it Doublespeed 
because it's a singlespeed with two gears, a 'climbing' 35x19, and a 
'cruising' 38x16.   It is my least-loved bike, in a way. I live up in the 
East Bay Hills.  My morning commute starts with a 1/4 mile 15% climb, and 
my evening commute ends with a ~3 mile 6% climb.  Those climbs are hard in 
the 35x19, and I kind of hate doing them.  What I'm finding is that since 
I'm 'forcing' myself to get these 1000 miles in, that the hate is getting 
less and less.  The benefits I'm getting by grinding out these climbs seems 
significant, and in the process I'm liking my Doublespeed more and more. 
It's making me tougher, and it's so quiet and cool.  Add that it's got a 
dynamo front wheel and my awesome huge Swift handlebar bag, and it's just a 
great commute bike for my 37 mile round trip.  It has me almost dreading 
hitting 1000 miles because I'll have to take it out of rotation.  

Despite the separation anxiety I might feel rotating bikes OUT, there are 
two or three bikes that I'm eager to rotate IN.  

1. my 1983 Univega Gran Rally.  This time-capsule stock 1983 road bike is 
my "Eroica bike".  I'm excited to start riding this bike a lot in 
preparation for a run at Eroica California 2019
2. my Legolas.  This is one of the prettiest bikes I've ever seen but it's 
not beautiful because it's not being used.  It's time to start hammering 
out some cyclocross pain
3. A used Ebisu all-purpose.  I just picked this up, and have the build 
underway.  Will a classic, level top tube road bike with thinner walled 
tubing feel any different from my Leo Roadini?  We'll see...

Anyway, we all see For Sale posts that read "I love this bike but I just 
don't use it enough".  Instead of giving up and selling it, surrender to 
RIDING IT!  A LOT! Who knows what may happen?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Patrick Moore]

There's a big difference between fiddling and fretting. I do fretting.

True about reach for quill stems. More weight on the threadless side of the
equation. Or perhaps this: I swapped out stems more times with the Matthews
*because* it was so easy to do with a threadless system. I recall "putting
up" with slightly less than perfect reach on my erstwhile Sam Hill at least
partly because I didn't want to fiddle with (sorry, fret about) the stem.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 10:10 AM 'Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? Seriously?
> I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of fiddling (off
> the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various kinds]; custom
> cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.)
>
> But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you
> probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length,
> to vary the reach as much as you had.
>
> Tom Milani
> Alexandria, VA
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>>
>> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At
>> first i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is
>> removed, but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler...
>> especially if you know about where you want your bars.
>>
>> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering
>> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate
>> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bunik]

Tony,

That's a great score and takes me back to the early 2000's when I was
living in Cambridge / Somerville -- Mike's work was hugely influential
on me in my nascent bike-nerd years. This bike still epitomizes
everything a BOB-ish townie should be. I'm still searching for this
white whale!

Another important dude from that time was a mechanic(?) at the
Broadway Bicycle Schoo, "Smasher" who preached the wonders of
rebuilding the old Raleigh 3-speeds which littered the curbs of Boston
every trash day. Anyone remember his web pages?

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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> "He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing to
> practical bikes."
>
> No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH, pullback
> bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and
> "townie" wasn't a word.
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[ctifusion]

Such a beautiful bike. I wanted on so bad in the early 2000s. Still do!!

Brynnar
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bunik]

Or, just leaf through Mike's flickr -- starting from the back of the book!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/antbikemike/page51


On 11/7/18, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> Tony! Thanks for sending me on a walk through the past, I know have
> photos somewhere of lock-up ANT's w/ those racks.
>
> Here's one that I bet this is one Mike's (it's on a Seven), likely
> belonged to someone involved in the local industry
> (Merlin/Seven/I.F.): https://www.flickr.com/gp/cococomomo/836YmX
>
> And another "rando"-ANT: https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/5978844794
>
> =- Joe
>
> On 11/7/18, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
>> I’m glad to see I wasn’t alone in my reaction to this frame!
>>
>> Tom thats excellent info about the drum brake service, i need to get some
>> of that grease.
>>
>> Anyone have a picture of the ‘D Rack’? I have exchanged emails with Mike
>> Flanigan about the bike actually, he confirmed it was an early one of
>> his.
>> Seems like a very nice guy, I didn’t realize he was back in business but
>> I’m happy to hear it.
>>
>> Anyone have an opinion about Sturmey Archer vs Shimano drum brake IGH’s?
>> Not sure I’ll go that route, might stick with single speed or look at the
>> two speed/dinglespeed setup.
>>
>> Also i’ve been out of the 700x32ish tire market a while... these drum
>> brake
>> wheels will definitely penalize flat repair times so I may have to look
>> at
>> more robust tires than my compass and schwable slicks lately. Riv Jack
>> Browns, pasaelias, the VO/panaracer tires, gravel kings... any consensus
>> on
>> favorites?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 11:38 Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>
>>> Tony,
>>>
>>> That's a great score and takes me back to the early 2000's when I was
>>> living in Cambridge / Somerville -- Mike's work was hugely influential
>>> on me in my nascent bike-nerd years. This bike still epitomizes
>>> everything a BOB-ish townie should be. I'm still searching for this
>>> white whale!
>>>
>>> Another important dude from that time was a mechanic(?) at the
>>> Broadway Bicycle Schoo, "Smasher" who preached the wonders of
>>> rebuilding the old Raleigh 3-speeds which littered the curbs of Boston
>>> every trash day. Anyone remember his web pages?
>>>
>>> =- Joe Bunik
>>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>>
>>> On 11/7/18, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>> > "He doesn’t get the credit he deserves for the shift away from racing
>>> > to
>>> > practical bikes."
>>> >
>>> > No he doesn't. Every mainstream bike maker has a "townie" with IGH,
>>> pullback
>>> > bars, fenders and a rack now. Things were very different in 2001 and
>>> > "townie" wasn't a word.
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[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

Did you really type this: "And given my antipathy to fiddling"? Seriously? 
I read your posts precisely because they include all kinds of fiddling (off 
the top of my head: tire pressure, tire sealant [various kinds]; custom 
cassettes, varying the Q-factor, etc.)

But to your main point. Even if your bike had a threaded steerer, you 
probably would have needed more than one stem, at least in terms of length, 
to vary the reach as much as you had. 

Tom Milani
Alexandria, VA

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:25 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At first 
> i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is removed, 
> but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... especially if 
> you know about where you want your bars.
>
> I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering 
> capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate 
> threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build

[Drw]

are you using long pull levers, or do those bombshells function as mini-v's?

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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bunik]

ANT predated (and inspired!) individuals like Kogswell while
anticipating the "bespoke" hand-built craze of the last decade. As
influential of a bike as the Ibis Scorcher. And -- to bring it back
on-topic -- Quickbeam!!!

On 11/7/18, sameness  wrote:
> My buddy owns this one
> . Crazy how dialed
> in it is. Also crazy this was almost 11 years ago.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 10:30:56 AM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com
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>>
>> Or, just leaf through Mike's flickr -- starting from the back of the book!
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/antbikemike/page51
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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bernard]

Ooh, that's the one I modeled my ANT Roadster on. I probably shouldn't have 
sold that bike!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PtdU43Re739B9Mji6

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[RBW] Re: Feeler. FS. AHH 61 cm MUSA

[Jamo.]

A picture
https://imgur.com/a/GUNYcNX

Noong Miyerkules, Nobyembre 7, 2018 ng 12:09:19 PM UTC-5, si Jamo. ay 
sumulat:
>
> Considering trying to get a 63 in exchange for this my 61cm MUSA AHH.  I'd 
> consider selling complete, or frame, fork, and headset (or somewhere 
> in-between).
>
> SRAM brake levers
> 9 speed 11-32 rear cassette
> Silver friction shifters
> CRMA(?) noodle bars
> Profile Design stem
> Blue Dyad Velocity rims - 40 spoke
> Schwalbe Kojak tires
> Ultegra headset
> Deore LX deraileurs
> Sugino crankset (46-36-24) 175 crank arms
> Planet Bike fenders
>
> This bike has been ridden and has cosmetic blemishes.  Nothing that 
> compromises the integrity of the frame.
>
> Bought for around $1,800 and would be looking to get something similar in 
> return.  Or trades (Chevy, Atlantis, Hunq, Homer 63)
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[RBW] Fall bosque ride

[Patrick Moore]

Nice 18-mile dirt trail ride just now; perfect fall weather. Each season
has its own beauty, but one element of each season's beauty is the quality
of the light; I daresay the differences are more noticeable at 5K+ feet.

The new (1 cm longer, 10 instead of 9) stem felt very good. A wee, tiny bit
of a stretch to the hoods (shortish Shimano aero hoods) but that's fine,
since the benefit is principally a less cramped feel on the long ramps
(Maes Parallel bar) -- long even tho' levers are attached rather high on
the curve.

And I noticed again that being bent over very often, and in this instance,
*removes* weight from your hands/arms/shoulders: my hands felt *lighter* on
the bar. (This requires that your saddle be sufficiently behind the bb,
though.) A bit more exercise for my neck, but overall more comfortable.

Interesting: the Matthews feels more like my 2 Riv Roads now, tho' those
have 8 cm stems (albeit Nittos) 3 or 4 cm below saddle, while the Matthews
has a bar 1/4" below saddle and a 10 cm stem; it also has a bar 4 cm wider:
42 versus 38, so there are different ways to skin this particular cat.

The City has installed little jetties or decks from where to view the
river. The viewpoint is 1/2 mile south of Central Boulevard, the old Rt 66
about 5-6 miles south of my house as crows fly.















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[RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Brewster Fong]

Come on Man, catch up! Rotor has a 1x13 with its hydraulic drivetrain

https://road.cc/content/tech-news/244867-video-first-look-rotor-1x13-all-you-need-know-about-rotors-latest-hydraulic

Btw, Sram has had 12 speed for what a year and Campy introduce 12 speed 
mechanical this year. 

The best thing about 11 speed is you can mix and match! All 11 speeds are 
compatible with each other so I run Sram etap 11 drivetrain with Campy 11 
wheelset. Shifts perfectly!

Of course, YMMV! 

Good Luck!

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 3:36:53 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> The industry has gone to 12 now?
>
> They have a 1 x 12 on an Atlantis. Far out!.
>
>
> I also wonder if, with the existing 11 and 12 cogset setups if you are 
> tied in to a certain manufacturer, component-wise, like with indexing.
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[RBW] FOUND. Thanks. [Looking for Carradice Cadet or similar, small saddlebag, black, please.]

[Patrick Moore]

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 1:38 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Whatcha' got?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Philip Williamson]

I saw that SRAM has 11sp bar end shifters. 
Kind of attracted to them, for my upcoming Fitz. Torn between black and red 
pseudo modern parts and timeless 9sp Silver/gray DuraAce and XTR. I’ve got some 
of each, and they’d both look great in the planned bike. 

On topic: yeah, I ain’t getting a 12sp bike. I’ve been pretty happy with 9 
speeds ever since 1999. I’ve got 1x11 on my mountain bike, and my next 
expensive wheel will be 11sp capable, and I’m not averse to switching the 1x9 
Frances (I committed and got a narrow-wide ring) to 1x11. 

I don’t see the joy in twelve speeds. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Lum Gim Fong]

Wow!I just looked at some Rotor stuff. Pro only or people with way, way, 
way, high cycling priorities!
Very interesting and very lightweight groupset, though.

They showed the guts of the brifters and looks so delicate like you could 
snap it off the handle bars with a mild palm strike.

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Daniel D.]

Thanks for another option.  What size is the bike?  Not very much room even 
with that tall support.  Aesthetically I like the bagman sport better...

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 2:18:12 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's another approach, it's a Carradice rack called Classic. It sits up 
> kinda high so you gotta figure out how you're getting your leg over, but I 
> adapted to it pretty quickly. It pops on and off quickly which I really 
> like, the bag and rack stay together. 
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up 
> > 
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote: 
> > 
> > I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have 
> 78.5cm PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and 
> clears the rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm 
> reluctant to carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small 
> fulfilled my packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried 
> an Abus folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the 
> rear tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an 
> Irish strap would have avoided the problem. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and 
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small, 
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice 
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike 
> and I really like it. 
> > 
> > 
> > BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a 
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto 
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything 
> narrower. 
> > 
> > 
> > --Ed C. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote: 
> > Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning 
> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker 
> bags don't do it for me.  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman 
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support? 
> > 
> > 
> > Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop 
>
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[RBW] Bump: Price: FS feeler 61cm Toyo Atlantis Frame/ custom fork

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  I’ve been thinkin of trying out a long- wheeled bike, either MIT 
Atlantis or Joe App. but need to sell a bike to do so.  I have a 61 Toyo 
Atlantis that I had disc tabs put on and it has a custom Clockwork disc fork.  
Paint is clear coat over steel on the fork.  It can clear a 2.4 tire/ 52 mm 
rake. The frame/ fork still have Canti studs.I can provide lots of pics.  

I wasn’t sure of what to ask:   $1400 shipped,  comes with Ultegra headset 

 Thanks!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: Big Guy Wool stuff, SWRVE knickers

[Zack]

green and purple ibex tees sold!

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 4:19:46 PM UTC-8, Zack wrote:
>
> Selling some random stuff:
>
> SWRVE winter knickers regular trim fit size 38 (note these fit smaller 
> than 38s) $45
> SWRVE blk label regular trim fit size 38 (also fit smaller than 38) $40
> Ibex scout button down shirt, green, size XL $50
> Wool & Prince crewneck black tee size XL $25
> Ibex heather purple tee size XL $25
> Ibex green long sleeved henley size XL $45
> Smartwool green/black striped tee size XL $25
> Smartwool navy tee size XL $25
> Ibex polo dark heather grey size XL $45
> Ibex green heather tee XL $25
> Outlier grey double fine merino hoodie, cement grey, size XXL $95 (no pic 
> of this, but can take one if you'd like)
> everything in decent condition, add $5 shipping for first item, free after 
> that. open to an offer if you want all of it! 
>
> [image: IMG_0531.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Lum Gim Fong]

Here is a good looking threadless stem:
https://store.somafab.com/nilust.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Patrick Moore]

LOL. And here I thought I was living dangerously on the cutting edge with
my 10 speed cassette.

But the person who reviewed the 13 setup is an idiot:

*There’s been a lot of talk about single ring transmissions in road riding
over the last few weeks. We’ve seen the launch of the new 3T Strada Due
which has added double chainring compatibility to a bike that was designed
for 1x; that means you can run the bike with any groupset (so long as it’s
electronic), but in terms of aerodynamics it’s a retrograde step, as a 1x
system cuts through the air more cleanly.*

Yeah, right, that front derailleur and that inner ring just act like big
sails.

*A 2x11 system doesn’t have 22 gears. Well, okay, it does, but
realistically you’re looking at 14 sequential gears, ...*

Yeah, right again: only if you don't know how to set up your cassettes and
rings. I just glanced at my Excel gear sheet and the 2X10 crossover on my
Matthews, set up for close spacing and convenience rather than greatest
number of gears, gives me 15 non-duplicate gears and a few very useful
duplicate gears on the crossover.


What *I* want to know is whether you can shift 13 with SunTour barcons.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 4:45 PM Brewster Fong  wrote:

> Come on Man, catch up! Rotor has a 1x13 with its hydraulic drivetrain
>
>
> https://road.cc/content/tech-news/244867-video-first-look-rotor-1x13-all-you-need-know-about-rotors-latest-hydraulic
>
> Btw, Sram has had 12 speed for what a year and Campy introduce 12 speed
> mechanical this year.
>
> The best thing about 11 speed is you can mix and match! All 11 speeds are
> compatible with each other so I run Sram etap 11 drivetrain with Campy 11
> wheelset. Shifts perfectly!
>
> Of course, YMMV!
>
> Good Luck!
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 3:36:53 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> The industry has gone to 12 now?
>>
>> They have a 1 x 12 on an Atlantis. Far out!.
>>
>>
>> I also wonder if, with the existing 11 and 12 cogset setups if you are
>> tied in to a certain manufacturer, component-wise, like with indexing.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Patrick Moore]

I wanted a QR transverse saddlebag for my Matthews, which has very tall,
29.6" tires (622 X 60). Even though the frame is the equivalent in road
frame size-ology of a 58 to 60, even a Nelson dragged on the rear tire with
any load. A Junior would work, but that is rather small.

The solution was the Super C Slim made for the SQR system. About as much as
the Nelson, but in a design that requires a far small distance between
saddle and tire. (Tyre.) IIRC, the Super C Slim takes up about as much
vertical room as the Junior.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:18 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's another approach, it's a Carradice rack called Classic. It sits up
> kinda high so you gotta figure out how you're getting your leg over, but I
> adapted to it pretty quickly. It pops on and off quickly which I really
> like, the bag and rack stay together.
>
> On Sunday, November 4, 2018 at 10:37:49 AM UTC-8, Daniel D. wrote:
> > thanks for the info, looks like a nice set up
> >
> > On Saturday, November 3, 2018 at 6:14:20 PM UTC-7, Ed Carolipio wrote:
> >
> > I have a 51cm Roadini and have struggled with this question. I have
> 78.5cm PBH with a 68cm saddle height. The Banana Sack works great and
> clears the rear tire easily, but smallish for a packrat like me and I'm
> reluctant to carry anything on myself when riding. The Saddlesack Small
> fulfilled my packrat tendencies much better and worked okay until I carried
> an Abus folding lock which created a saggy spot and the bag rubbed on the
> rear tire. Another 1.5cm of seatpost or maybe tying the bag up with an
> Irish strap would have avoided the problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > I didn't like the Irish strap solution so I got a Carradice Barley and
> tried it without the rack but had similar issues with the Saddlesack Small,
> plus the opening was at a weird angle. I broke down and got the Carradice
> bagman support. That setup - Barley + bagman - is what I've got on the bike
> and I really like it.
> >
> >
> > BTW for the front, I got a Carradice Zipped Roll and am using it as a
> handlebar bag. It's kind of wide as a handlebar bag: my bars are 44cm Nitto
> Noodles (Hiway Ones in the photo), and likely won't work with anything
> narrower.
> >
> >
> > --Ed C.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, November 2, 2018 at 12:24:03 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
> > Decided I want a little bigger bag than just a seat pack.  Leaning
> towards a Carradice Pendle, Barley, etc..  Aesthetically the bikepacker
> bags don't do it for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > The question is fit on a smaller frame.  Am I stuck using a bagman
> support?  Is there enough clearance to use without a support?
> >
> >
> > Pic tape measure head is in the saddle bag loop
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[RBW] Bump: Price: FS feeler 61cm Toyo Atlantis Frame/ custom fork

[chris feczko]

Hey mike,

On mobile but can you PM me? I’ll take it if available

Thanks

Chris


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[RBW] Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Lum Gim Fong]

The industry has gone to 12 now?

They have a 1 x 12 on an Atlantis. Far out!.


I also wonder if, with the existing 11 and 12 cogset setups if you are tied 
in to a certain manufacturer, component-wise, like with indexing.

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[RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Lum Gim Fong]

I guess cross-chaining was a myth!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[William!]

Agreed, 10 seems like the a great choice for 1x's right now. 11 and 12 
speed are more expensive and possibly less reliable, and almost certainly 
are going to continue to be moving targets. 8 and 9 speed are simple and 
will be around forever, but the mechs are not really designed for 
wide-range cassettes (at least not yet). You can make it work but it might 
involve fiddling, and it might not shift crisply into those dinner plate 
cogs. 8 or 9 speeds also might not be enough for some folks to ride 
comfortably through the gaps on wide-range cassettes.

1x10 speed might be the best of both worlds. It's simple and cheap and here 
to stay. Sunrace, Shimano and others offer wide range 10 speed cassettes 
for ~$40. And the wide-range design features have finally trickled down 
into 10-speed mechs. Only thing I'd ask for is one that comes in silver .

William

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 8:39:20 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> My 1x8 11-40 works well.
> I own a 12sp Sunrace cassette that I impulse bought and regret. I would 
> sell it.
>
> 1x10 is a sweet spot I think in terms of gear spacing. 2x10 really allows 
> a wealth of gears that may almost be too rich. It has me reconsidering 2x8. 
> -J
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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Daniel D.]

Bought a park chain whip today.  Package states can be used for 12 speed...

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Joe Bernard]

Daniel, Salsa calls the bike "55cm", but it's a 51cm seattube, 700c wheels, 
same as your Roadini. 

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[RBW] Re: Carradice style saddlebag advice for 51cm Roadini?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I uh no. Racks add weight.
Might be better at this point in getting one of those Sackville saddle bags 
(not banana) that are wide and flat.

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[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I get the best of both worlds on about half my bikes by using a threadless 
stem and stem riser.  The stem is threadless and has a removable faceplate 
so I can swap the stem without stripping the bars.  It's attached to a 
riser that's essentially a threaded quill stem without the extension.  A 
link to Velo-Orange's option is below, but others make them as well (Soma 
is the other one I use when I need one that's longer than VO's).  It's not 
as elegant as a classic quill stem, but oh man, the added convenience 
overwhelms that drawback for most bikes.  

If you don't want to live with one forever, it's at least a great option to 
let you dial in your stem dimensions before that one final set-up that 
requires you to strip and retape.  

https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/vo-threadless-stem-adaptor

Dave
Boston/Indy 

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:16:50 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> But OTOH, the huge amount of work saved by not having to untape the bar 
> and remove clamped-on fittings, and the savings in replacing bar tape (I 
> manage to mess up tape when removing it several times) makes the difference 
> in my opinion a wash. 
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[RBW] PSA Riv Custom for sale

[Joe Bernard]

Ugh, I tried but I guess they have to accept my "join the group" first which 
reminds me I hate Facebook. Do you know what town the bike is in?

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[RBW] Re: Feeler. FS. AHH 61 cm MUSA

[Jamo.]

Here is my current saddle height at ~80cm
https://imgur.com/a/VcN5Ry9

On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 3:58:51 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yes, if that's your setup I can see why you'd be interested in a 63.  
> What's your saddle height as pictured?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 11:58:05 AM UTC-8, Jamo. wrote:
>>
>> A picture
>> https://imgur.com/a/GUNYcNX
>>
>> Noong Miyerkules, Nobyembre 7, 2018 ng 12:09:19 PM UTC-5, si Jamo. ay 
>> sumulat:
>>>
>>> Considering trying to get a 63 in exchange for this my 61cm MUSA AHH. 
>>>  I'd consider selling complete, or frame, fork, and headset (or somewhere 
>>> in-between).
>>>
>>> SRAM brake levers
>>> 9 speed 11-32 rear cassette
>>> Silver friction shifters
>>> CRMA(?) noodle bars
>>> Profile Design stem
>>> Blue Dyad Velocity rims - 40 spoke
>>> Schwalbe Kojak tires
>>> Ultegra headset
>>> Deore LX deraileurs
>>> Sugino crankset (46-36-24) 175 crank arms
>>> Planet Bike fenders
>>>
>>> This bike has been ridden and has cosmetic blemishes.  Nothing that 
>>> compromises the integrity of the frame.
>>>
>>> Bought for around $1,800 and would be looking to get something similar 
>>> in return.  Or trades (Chevy, Atlantis, Hunq, Homer 63)
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Patrick Moore]

That's not too bad, I admit, but I have also to admit that I rather yearn
for the pure, cold, distant beauty of a cold-forged Nitto Pearl. Can't they
do that in a threadless format? Frankly, while I have no quarrel with lugs,
lugs *as such* don't rock my boat, and I rather think that ornate lugs on a
stem are a bit, well, hmm, ahem, shuffle shuffle, *loud.*

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> Here is a good looking threadless stem:
> https://store.somafab.com/nilust.html
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[RBW] FS: Dirt drop setup, brake/shifter bits

[Drw]

-Soma portola bars on Nitto 8cm dirt drop stem with 2 rolls of fancy riv cotton 
tape- bars have some tape residue, stem is great, tape is new- 110$ shipped 
(100$ shipped if you don’t want the tape)

-shimano quick release inline brake adjusters- Full disclosure: I found these 
too fiddly and didn’t use.  Maybe you’re smarter than me and can make them work 
as simply as they appear that they should- 20$ shipped (retail is 17$ each)

Shimano DT cable stops- the kind that go over downtube shift bosses-5$ shipped

I also have a marks rack, tubus rack and showers pass jacket still available 
here

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[RBW] Re: Fall bosque ride

[Kainalu V.]

40 KB's never enough!, your public demands larger files for a detailed peek.
-Kai
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>
> Nice 18-mile dirt trail ride just now; perfect fall weather. Each season 
> has its own beauty, but one element of each season's beauty is the quality 
> of the light; I daresay the differences are more noticeable at 5K+ feet.
>
> The new (1 cm longer, 10 instead of 9) stem felt very good. A wee, tiny 
> bit of a stretch to the hoods (shortish Shimano aero hoods) but that's 
> fine, since the benefit is principally a less cramped feel on the long 
> ramps (Maes Parallel bar) -- long even tho' levers are attached rather high 
> on the curve. 
>
> And I noticed again that being bent over very often, and in this instance, 
> *removes* weight from your hands/arms/shoulders: my hands felt *lighter* on 
> the bar. (This requires that your saddle be sufficiently behind the bb, 
> though.) A bit more exercise for my neck, but overall more comfortable.
>
> Interesting: the Matthews feels more like my 2 Riv Roads now, tho' those 
> have 8 cm stems (albeit Nittos) 3 or 4 cm below saddle, while the Matthews 
> has a bar 1/4" below saddle and a 10 cm stem; it also has a bar 4 cm wider: 
> 42 versus 38, so there are different ways to skin this particular cat.
>
> The City has installed little jetties or decks from where to view the 
> river. The viewpoint is 1/2 mile south of Central Boulevard, the old Rt 66 
> about 5-6 miles south of my house as crows fly.
>
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[RBW] PSA Riv Custom for sale

[Alan H]

A head’s up for folks that might be interested. There’s a 51cm Riv Custom for 
sale in the Bikepacking Swap Meet group on Facebook. The pics are gorgeous.  I 
don’t know how to link to it. 

...and no, I don’t have any affiliation with the seller, I just thought I’d 
pass it along in case anyone here was interested because it’s a pretty bike 
(and I don’t have the funds or space to buy it myself!)

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Re: [RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Philip Williamson]

I had a three speed Robin Hood that came off the curbs of Boston! My friend was 
moving out here, the bike got put out next to his uhaul, and he threw it 
inside. His wife was not amused, and I inherited it. I tuned it up, threw my 
back out riding it up Fountaingrove, and gave it to a friend for Burning Man. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Whoah! 1 x 12?????

[Justin, Oakland]

My 1x8 11-40 works well.
I own a 12sp Sunrace cassette that I impulse bought and regret. I would sell it.

1x10 is a sweet spot I think in terms of gear spacing. 2x10 really allows a 
wealth of gears that may almost be too rich. It has me reconsidering 2x8. 
-J

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[RBW] PSA Riv Custom for sale

[Alan H]

Grand Rapids, Michigan. I checked Craigslist for the area, but I didn’t see it. 
I can try to share it to the FB version of this group, but I don’t know if it 
will be allowed.

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: VO Thumb shifter Mounts

[Steve Butcher]

Bumping these shifter mounts.  I'm going to change my price to $60.00 
shipped CONUS to remove the uncertainty to the buyer of what their part of 
shipping might entail.  Shipping from my southwest Missouri  to the coastal 
states can be kind of pricey; especially since I always ship to forum 
members U.S.P.S. 2 Day Priority Mail for the tracking number and included 
nsurance coverage. Please PM me with questions.  

Steven

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 9:49:25 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Time has passed, several have looked but no buyer has emerged.  I will 
> drop my price to $50.00 with shipping split between me and the buyer 
> CONUS.  Steven.
>
> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 5:56:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> Several lookers but no takers.  I'll bump my price down to $60.00 shipped 
>> CONUS.  PM me if interested.  Steve
>>
>> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:32:13 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: 20181003_103229.jpeg]
>>> Hello Forum,
>>>  I'm offering for sale a complete set of  VO Thumb shifter mounts 
>>> which are new in the box.  No levers are included in the offer.   I 
>>> purchased them for use on my Rosco Bubbe which has Albatross bars in order 
>>> to convert from bar end shifters.  I removed the rings from the box to 
>>> attach them to the handlebars but did not proceed with the task of mounting 
>>> the shift levers.  Gripping the handlebars and doing some mock shifting 
>>> movements with my thumbs, I determined I had some thumb joint stiffness 
>>> issues; no matter what position I would have placed the levers.  I feel 
>>> those issues may be detrimental to my shifting properly.  I'm not really 
>>> unhappy with my current bar ends but I'm a tinkerer at heart and that is 
>>> why I purchased the mounts in the first place.  I want $65.00 for the 
>>> Mounts which is the price VO charges before shipping.  I will split 
>>> shipping costs with the purchaser; CONUS only, please.  My apology but this 
>>> is a cross thread from iBOB.  I have had over 100 viewers but no takers.   
>>> If the mounts sell, I will post a message with this post.  Please send me a 
>>> private message with questions.   Thanks for checking in.
>>> -Steve
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[REC (Roberta)]

Ethan and his bike look great together.  LOVE the honey colored saddle and 
matching cork grips.  It  must have been pretty satisfying to him to do the 
final shellac.  Classy bike for a classy kid!

Awesome story about the boy biking to school with a broken, and now, fixed 
bike.  The Benefactor effect ripples on.  I wonder what your encounter will 
be when you see each other  next time. Do tell. I'm sure he'll never forget 
your help.

 
On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 6:52:30 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I’m back to tell you about something good resulting from the Bike 
> Benefactor’s legacy; may it long continue!
>
> Yesterday I was cycling to school with my two boys, when another rider met 
> us while waiting at the crosswalk. This kid is an 8th grader; he’s bigger 
> and heavier than me and he rides a bike that is utterly small for his size. 
> But he must have some affection for it; his knees are up to his chin but 
> he’s still riding it every single day. I was studying his cartoonishly low 
> saddle height (why won’t he raise it?!?) when I noticed his front tire - 
> the front brake looked to have exploded. It was an ugly v-shape, a maw, 
> wide open and ugly, and the cable didn’t seem to be connected to the brake 
> lever. Shocked, because I knew he had just ridden down part of Killer Hill 
> and arrived at this intersection alive, I brought it up. 
>
> “Hey, no front brake, huh?”
>
> “Someone ran into me and it broke. I’ve been meaning to get it repaired.” 
>
> I looked it over and it was in bad shape; not a simple fix, and I’m barely 
> capable of simple fixes the way it is.  
>
> I cringed when the path went downhill to the last busy crossing, but he 
> made it fine. We went to the bike racks and I unloaded bags and racks and 
> kissed my sons goodbye. 
>
> It bothered me. I have a lot of time to think on that uphill climb home; 
> and it irked me that this kid was so ill-equipped to do such a simple, 
> responsible thing. He’s taking himself to school, not effortlessly riding 
> through the valet car loop like 80% of the students. And to do this he will 
> be weighted by a heavy backpack, pedaling an ill-fitting bike, and now he 
> doesn’t even have front brakes? 
>
> The next morning we had just made it to campus when I noticed him coming 
> some way off, and it came to me what had to be done. Heavy on my mind was 
> the Bike Benefactor, and how the cycle of kindness and generosity should 
> not end with me. I waited for the kid and called him over to tell him I 
> wanted to fix his bike and would he mind if I took it to a bike shop? I 
> promised to have it back in time for him to ride home. He agreed to let me, 
> though he looked a bit skeptical and maybe a bit sheepish (I know the 
> feeling!). I came back to school with my Odyssey and set off to beg the 
> bike shop to work us in?
>
> “You’re like a bike vigilante,” said the kid who wrote up my ticket. The 
> bike got: a new brake cable, a new brake pad to replace the missing one, 
> the chain lubed (first time for everything!), the back brake adjusted (it 
> was rubbing the tire), the seat raised, a bolt replaced that was missing on 
> his rack (maybe that’s why he never uses it?) and a “safety check.” I got 
> it back in the rack an hour before school was out. Whew.
>
> I hope we see him tomorrow, and I hope his knees are not hitting his chin 
> and that he has two functioning brakes and maybe has decided to use his 
> rack. I do believe the best policy is to act kindly and then keep it to 
> oneself, but this happy story is a direct result of the Benefactor’s 
> kindness, and I hope the Benefactor reads this and takes a little 
> satisfaction. He is, even now, having a ripple effect, and it is so fun to 
> celebrate it.
>
> My best,
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[ascpgh]

Leah, The threshold of something good is always smaller than thought, and 
the consequences seldom a barrier!

These are vignettes of how to model our behavior, on and regarding bikes as 
well as elsewhere. This storyline has done much to become the illustration 
for the idea.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh



On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 6:52:30 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> I’m back to tell you about something good resulting from the Bike 
> Benefactor’s legacy; may it long continue!
>
> Yesterday I was cycling to school with my two boys, when another rider met 
> us while waiting at the crosswalk. This kid is an 8th grader; he’s bigger 
> and heavier than me and he rides a bike that is utterly small for his size. 
> But he must have some affection for it; his knees are up to his chin but 
> he’s still riding it every single day. I was studying his cartoonishly low 
> saddle height (why won’t he raise it?!?) when I noticed his front tire - 
> the front brake looked to have exploded. It was an ugly v-shape, a maw, 
> wide open and ugly, and the cable didn’t seem to be connected to the brake 
> lever. Shocked, because I knew he had just ridden down part of Killer Hill 
> and arrived at this intersection alive, I brought it up. 
>
> “Hey, no front brake, huh?”
>
> “Someone ran into me and it broke. I’ve been meaning to get it repaired.” 
>
> I looked it over and it was in bad shape; not a simple fix, and I’m barely 
> capable of simple fixes the way it is.  
>
> I cringed when the path went downhill to the last busy crossing, but he 
> made it fine. We went to the bike racks and I unloaded bags and racks and 
> kissed my sons goodbye. 
>
> It bothered me. I have a lot of time to think on that uphill climb home; 
> and it irked me that this kid was so ill-equipped to do such a simple, 
> responsible thing. He’s taking himself to school, not effortlessly riding 
> through the valet car loop like 80% of the students. And to do this he will 
> be weighted by a heavy backpack, pedaling an ill-fitting bike, and now he 
> doesn’t even have front brakes? 
>
> The next morning we had just made it to campus when I noticed him coming 
> some way off, and it came to me what had to be done. Heavy on my mind was 
> the Bike Benefactor, and how the cycle of kindness and generosity should 
> not end with me. I waited for the kid and called him over to tell him I 
> wanted to fix his bike and would he mind if I took it to a bike shop? I 
> promised to have it back in time for him to ride home. He agreed to let me, 
> though he looked a bit skeptical and maybe a bit sheepish (I know the 
> feeling!). I came back to school with my Odyssey and set off to beg the 
> bike shop to work us in.
>
> “You’re like a bike vigilante,” said the kid who wrote up my ticket. The 
> bike got: a new brake cable, a new brake pad to replace the missing one, 
> the chain lubed (first time for everything!), the back brake adjusted (it 
> was rubbing the tire), the seat raised, a bolt replaced that was missing on 
> his rack (maybe that’s why he never uses it?) and a “safety check.” I got 
> it back in the rack an hour before school was out. Whew.
>
> I hope we see him tomorrow, and I hope his knees are not hitting his chin 
> and that he has two functioning brakes and maybe has decided to use his 
> rack. I do believe the best policy is to act kindly and then keep it to 
> oneself, but this happy story is a direct result of the Benefactor’s 
> kindness, and I hope the Benefactor reads this and takes a little 
> satisfaction. He is, even now, having a ripple effect, and it is so fun to 
> celebrate it.
>
> My best,
> Leah
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Experimental MIT Atlantis Build

[Doug H.]

James,
Thank you for sharing this unique drivetrain. And, the leaves on the grip 
tape are cool as heck.
Doug

>
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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Tony DeFilippo]

No not a Riv but so close in philosophy and execution I think any discussion 
would be in topic. First the good part, the pictures; 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BL8E5H1gM4CMsYd88

I was righteously and innocently making a dropoff of excess but good bike parts 
to my local Co-Op yesterday with ZERO thought towards looking at new to me 
bikes... My bike thoughts lately have consisted of replacing my Saluki rear 
wheel and scheming a way to sell my current Jones plus to fund a new Jones plus 
with the unicrown fork... Anyway, I'm chatting with the mechanic/proprietor At 
Velocity Co-Op and I notice a black upright bike with hammered fenders leaving 
against a pile of other pedestrian looking bikes.

I go over to check it out, albatross bars, nitto stem, single speed rear wheel, 
no brake, drum brake front wheel... My interest is now peaked - drum brakes? I 
don't see them often.  Then I see the headbadge.  A N T.  Almost simultaneously 
the mechanic started talking about how no one appreciated the bike and it's 
been in the shop for days, 'people don't get it'.  I agree that 'people' are 
blind or uneducated in not appreciating the neat joints, the custom stainless 
rear rack and understated style of this frame. I tell him, I think I can get 
this bike sold for you thinking that a picture and post here or iBOB would net 
a prospective owner quickly.  Then I make the fatal move, I ask for a test 
ride, the frame is a 57cm, touch small compared to my other bikes but looks 
very rideable.

The test ride took me straight back to my house (in the neighborhood) to grab 
some cash and return to buy the bike in the spot.  It rides great, steers from 
the hip, no hands without shimmy (unloaded), feels 'tight' in a good way.  So 
that's how I've ended up in a N=6 (one loaned out, one off site and one tandem 
included in that number, so N=3 to me) again despite some significant effort 
yours downsizing and minimizing my bike stable.

The bike is perfectly rideable as is but that won't stop me from tuning it up.  
Right now I'm thinking wider tires (current 28mm are obviously to narrow) and 
some kind of front rack/basket.  I may follow Deacon Patrick's lead and try 
fixed while I have it easily available in the current flip flop rear wheel.  
Lights for winter commuting, maybe even a new wheelset to get brakes back on 
the rear wheel.  

Anyone have a single speed/igh roadster they love that can contribute ideas for 
winter projects on my new ANT?

Tony

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Shoji Takahashi]

Thank you, thank you, Leah (and Benefactor)! 

Shoji
Arlington MA



On Wednesday, November 7, 2018 at 9:09:59 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Leah, The threshold of something good is always smaller than thought, and 
> the consequences seldom a barrier!
>
> These are vignettes of how to model our behavior, on and regarding bikes 
> as well as elsewhere. This storyline has done much to become the 
> illustration for the idea.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 6:52:30 PM UTC-5, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>>
>> I’m back to tell you about something good resulting from the Bike 
>> Benefactor’s legacy; may it long continue!
>>
>> Yesterday I was cycling to school with my two boys, when another rider 
>> met us while waiting at the crosswalk. This kid is an 8th grader; he’s 
>> bigger and heavier than me and he rides a bike that is utterly small for 
>> his size. But he must have some affection for it; his knees are up to his 
>> chin but he’s still riding it every single day. I was studying his 
>> cartoonishly low saddle height (why won’t he raise it?!?) when I noticed 
>> his front tire - the front brake looked to have exploded. It was an ugly 
>> v-shape, a maw, wide open and ugly, and the cable didn’t seem to be 
>> connected to the brake lever. Shocked, because I knew he had just ridden 
>> down part of Killer Hill and arrived at this intersection alive, I brought 
>> it up. 
>>
>> “Hey, no front brake, huh?”
>>
>> “Someone ran into me and it broke. I’ve been meaning to get it repaired.” 
>>
>> I looked it over and it was in bad shape; not a simple fix, and I’m 
>> barely capable of simple fixes the way it is.  
>>
>> I cringed when the path went downhill to the last busy crossing, but he 
>> made it fine. We went to the bike racks and I unloaded bags and racks and 
>> kissed my sons goodbye. 
>>
>> It bothered me. I have a lot of time to think on that uphill climb home; 
>> and it irked me that this kid was so ill-equipped to do such a simple, 
>> responsible thing. He’s taking himself to school, not effortlessly riding 
>> through the valet car loop like 80% of the students. And to do this he will 
>> be weighted by a heavy backpack, pedaling an ill-fitting bike, and now he 
>> doesn’t even have front brakes? 
>>
>> The next morning we had just made it to campus when I noticed him coming 
>> some way off, and it came to me what had to be done. Heavy on my mind was 
>> the Bike Benefactor, and how the cycle of kindness and generosity should 
>> not end with me. I waited for the kid and called him over to tell him I 
>> wanted to fix his bike and would he mind if I took it to a bike shop? I 
>> promised to have it back in time for him to ride home. He agreed to let me, 
>> though he looked a bit skeptical and maybe a bit sheepish (I know the 
>> feeling!). I came back to school with my Odyssey and set off to beg the 
>> bike shop to work us in.
>>
>> “You’re like a bike vigilante,” said the kid who wrote up my ticket. The 
>> bike got: a new brake cable, a new brake pad to replace the missing one, 
>> the chain lubed (first time for everything!), the back brake adjusted (it 
>> was rubbing the tire), the seat raised, a bolt replaced that was missing on 
>> his rack (maybe that’s why he never uses it?) and a “safety check.” I got 
>> it back in the rack an hour before school was out. Whew.
>>
>> I hope we see him tomorrow, and I hope his knees are not hitting his chin 
>> and that he has two functioning brakes and maybe has decided to use his 
>> rack. I do believe the best policy is to act kindly and then keep it to 
>> oneself, but this happy story is a direct result of the Benefactor’s 
>> kindness, and I hope the Benefactor reads this and takes a little 
>> satisfaction. He is, even now, having a ripple effect, and it is so fun to 
>> celebrate it.
>>
>> My best,
>> Leah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Surprise New Bike Day

[Tom Wyland]

I came across a used ANT bike in a similar way a couple of years ago. I 
passed because it had one-piece cranks (!). This one looks very nice!

I have had a bike for the last 8 years with a front drum brake. You need to 
keep them greased 1x month or so. If they start making any noise or if they 
lose modulation they need to be greased.  They have a little greasing port 
typically plugged with a small rubber plug. You need to get Shimano roller 
brake grease. It comes in 100g tube or smaller 10g tubes with a long filler 
neck.  You stick the neck of the tube as far as you can in the greasing 
port and spin the wheel while squeezing some in there.  The entire brake 
unit is replaceable (typically not repairable) and easily comes off the 
wheel.

Tom


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Re: [RBW] Feeler: FS 61 Toyo Atlantis Frame/ custom fork

[Sky Coulter]

For how many dollars?

Thanks,

Sky in new west

> On Nov 7, 2018, at 7:01 AM, Michael Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey group,  I’ve been thinkin of trying out a long- wheeled bike, either MIT 
> Atlantis or Joe App. but need to sell a bike to do so.  I have a 61 Toyo 
> Atlantis that I had disc tabs put on and it has a custom Clockwork disc fork. 
>  Paint is clear coat over steel on the fork.  It can clear a 2.4 tire/ 52 mm 
> rake. The frame/ fork still have Canti studs.I can provide lots of pics.  
>  Thanks!   -Mike
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[RBW] Feeler: FS 61 Toyo Atlantis Frame/ custom fork

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  I’ve been thinkin of trying out a long- wheeled bike, either MIT 
Atlantis or Joe App. but need to sell a bike to do so.  I have a 61 Toyo 
Atlantis that I had disc tabs put on and it has a custom Clockwork disc fork.  
Paint is clear coat over steel on the fork.  It can clear a 2.4 tire/ 52 mm 
rake. The frame/ fork still have Canti studs.I can provide lots of pics.   
Thanks!   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Feeler: FS 61 Toyo Atlantis Frame/ custom fork

[Jonathan D.]

Pictures?

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[RBW] Surprise New Bike Day

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nice bike, Tony! You might want to check with Mike Flanigan, he's 
building ANTs again and used to do a really cool D Rack which would look great 
on your roadster. 

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[RBW] Re: Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Drw]

I just set up my first threadless bike. Late to the game, i know. At first 
i couldnt really believe that the fork comes off when the stem is removed, 
but once i got over that, it does seem somewhat simpler... especially if 
you know about where you want your bars.

I still think i prefer threaded, for looks and raising/lowering 
capabilities. I wish there were more options for a removable faceplate 
threaded stem though. being able to swap bars that easy is a game changer. 

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[RBW] Feeler. FS. AHH 61 cm MUSA

[Jamo.]

Considering trying to get a 63 in exchange for this my 61cm MUSA AHH.  I'd 
consider selling complete, or frame, fork, and headset (or somewhere 
in-between).

SRAM brake levers
9 speed 11-32 rear cassette
Silver friction shifters
CRMA(?) noodle bars
Profile Design stem
Blue Dyad Velocity rims - 40 spoke
Schwalbe Kojak tires
Ultegra headset
Deore LX deraileurs
Sugino crankset (46-36-24) 175 crank arms
Planet Bike fenders

This bike has been ridden and has cosmetic blemishes.  Nothing that 
compromises the integrity of the frame.

Bought for around $1,800 and would be looking to get something similar in 
return.  Or trades (Chevy, Atlantis, Hunq, Homer 63)

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[RBW] Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Patrick Moore]

One man's experience and opinion. Over the 2 1/2 years since delivery I've
been adjusting the reach and height of the bar on my custom Matthews, which
has a threadless steerer. I've done the same on very many bikes with
threaded steerers. Which type is easier?

On most frames I purchase, I know pretty well beforehand where I want my
bar and what sort of stem I'll need to get it there. The Matthews has a
very sloping tt and a very high head tube, and I wasn't sure what the best
setup would be for such a dirt road bike. I knew I wanted the bar higher
than on my road bikes; but I wasn't sure exactly how high and close or low
and far.

With the Matthews I've swapped out stems 4 times (I've adjusted height by
removing spacers and by flipping the same stem, this at least 4-5 more
times), each time putting the bar lower and further forward, from about 2"
above saddle and a bit closer to, most recently, about 1" below and as far
forward/as much reach.

This has meant buying 4 new stems: I started with a ~30* 8 cm stem, then
switched to a 90* 9 cm stem, then a 84* 9*, then a 73* 9, and just recently
a 73* 10. The spacers went from 3 below to non below and 1 above (tho' the
last stem has a bottom collar equivalent to 1 spacer). Bar went from 2"
above saddle to, now, about 1" below saddle. I cut 3" off the steerer.

What I've learned: changing bar reach and height on threadless stems can be
expensive! But this is a custom, and I want perfect fit, and the $300 or so
I've spent on stems is worth the result. I'd guess that for such
exploratory fitting on a threaded system, I'd have paid for 1 new stem, say
$100 for a Pearl-quality stem, so edge there to threaded.

But OTOH, the huge amount of work saved by not having to untape the bar and
remove clamped-on fittings, and the savings in replacing bar tape (I manage
to mess up tape when removing it several times) makes the difference in my
opinion a wash. And given my antipathy to fiddling, I'd say that threadless
wins by a small margin.



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[RBW] Threadless versus threaded stems -- convenience summary

[Lum Gim Fong]

Another cool thing about threadless is that Nitto makes a lugged stem for 
threadless setups.

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