[RBW] Re: e-Bike article in the New Yorker

[Luke Hendrickson]

Working at a bike shop has shaped how I view e-bikes and their omnipresence 
here in San Francisco. On the one hand, users ride them when a traditional 
bike would haven’t have been enough to entice them to ride. On the other 
hand, most are outfitted with shoddy components or the end user is left to 
do a portion of the assembly themselves at home. I generally dislike them 
and, unless someone is willing to plonk down $5k for a Surly Skid Loader or 
Trek commuter, recommend against them.

Regardless, I thank you for sharing this article, Eric. 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:54:07 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm not in the market for an e-bike myself but I can always appreciate a 
> thoughtful and thorough dive into just about any subject in the pages of 
> the New Yorker. 
>
> I'm so totally unfamiliar with e-bikes that I now understand the rudiments 
> of how they're powered and how the pedal-assist and throttle work on 
> certain machines. 
>
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/01/02/hell-on-two-wheels-until-the-e-bikes-battery-runs-out
>
> In case you hit a paywall there's a pdf below. 
>
> I'm also reminded that Jill Lepore wrote an article for the magazine back 
> in May of 2022 about the evolution of the bicycle and its presence in 
> everyday life. Nothing earth-shattering here for the well-read bicycle nuts 
> but a fun read. 
>
>
> https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/05/30/bicycles-have-evolved-have-we-jody-rosen-two-wheels-good
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Paul brakes work as well as any others of similar style.
Are they worth the money? Depends on you I guess.
To me Paul brakes are works of art and absolutely worth the money.
Was having this exact convo at a group ride last week when someone pointed
out my Steamroller to someone else and was talking about the brake setup.

My orange quickbeam has Paul Touring on the rear, Tektro on the front( will
get replaced in time with Paul Nero-Retro. Paul Canti Levers. One moon unit
and one Jubilee black Heart straddle cable carrier
My 2017 Surly Steamroller is setup with a single Racer on the front, and
Canti Lever w/ Funky Monkey hanger and a Jubilee black Heart straddle cable
carrier.

--ben in KC


On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:38 PM J G  wrote:

> The Paul Motolites do also have the best quick release mechanism of the
> bunch.
>
> The Paul brake that stands out the most to me is the Racer and Racer M.
> Even better in post mount.  That is the kind of brake you build a bike
> around.
>
> I run the gamut of Pauls and like them all just fine, but I am also ok
> with DXR, BB7s etc. when I want to keep costs in check.  Setup is the most
> important thing with brakes and good compassionless housing.
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:26:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I would not agree that the only difference between most well-functioning
>> v-brakes and Paul Motolites is the name. On my Riv Custom that started with
>> Shimano DXR brakes the Pauls are notably nicer to modulate. Are they worth
>> the money? That's a different question I answered for myself, they do work
>> better.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:23:02 PM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> For me, Paul brakes are not worth the retail price.  Good V-brakes (the
>>> level above department store) are universally well-functioning.  Paul buys
>>> you the name on the brake arm and probably some more freedom from
>>> maintenance.  Now, I think it's important to point out that I've owned one
>>> set of mini-motos.  I found them finicky.  TRP mini-Vs were better.  Will I
>>> still probably buy a set of Paul's if they're a good used deal?  Probably.
>>> Not going to spend $500 on them, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.



 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, good to know.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on
>> new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the 
>> road
>> but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. 
>> Your
>> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the
>>> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was 
>>> just
>>> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers 
>>> would
>>> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>>
>>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike
 around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
 woot!).

>>>
 Philip
 Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Ryan]

I had Riv build my mixte with Racers with the post mounts brazed on to the 
seat stays...but I cheaped out and used the very nice (and reasonably 
priced) Dia-Compe SS6 levers, which are elegant, work well, and are an 
outlier example of those  things that look good and work well but aren't 
eye-wateringly expensive. 

Another high-quality low-cost thing I got from Riv in the early 2000's and 
wished I'd ordered several were those beautiful Suntour XC9000 front hubs 
for like...$20.00. Some of you long-time Riv fans may remember those hubs. 
I had a local wheelbuilder friend of mine lace it to an Araya RM20 26" 
front wheel for my X0-1 and had to settle for a Shimano 105 for the rear 
wheel - no XC9000 rear hub, unfortunately. Damn!

The rest of the bike was mostly equipped as appropriate for a custom 
Rivendell. It was ordered a couple of years before I retired and as a 
senior software developer , I was quite well-paid and felt I deserved it. 
Bikes , to me are worth splashing out on. A lot of the fun I had with my 
custom Rivs was curating the parts.



On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:38:25 PM UTC-6 cjus...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Paul Motolites do also have the best quick release mechanism of the 
> bunch.
>
> The Paul brake that stands out the most to me is the Racer and Racer M. 
>  Even better in post mount.  That is the kind of brake you build a bike 
> around.  
>
> I run the gamut of Pauls and like them all just fine, but I am also ok 
> with DXR, BB7s etc. when I want to keep costs in check.  Setup is the most 
> important thing with brakes and good compassionless housing.
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:26:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I would not agree that the only difference between most well-functioning 
>> v-brakes and Paul Motolites is the name. On my Riv Custom that started with 
>> Shimano DXR brakes the Pauls are notably nicer to modulate. Are they worth 
>> the money? That's a different question I answered for myself, they do work 
>> better. 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:23:02 PM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>>
>>> For me, Paul brakes are not worth the retail price.  Good V-brakes (the 
>>> level above department store) are universally well-functioning.  Paul buys 
>>> you the name on the brake arm and probably some more freedom from 
>>> maintenance.  Now, I think it's important to point out that I've owned one 
>>> set of mini-motos.  I found them finicky.  TRP mini-Vs were better.  Will I 
>>> still probably buy a set of Paul's if they're a good used deal?  Probably.  
>>> Not going to spend $500 on them, though.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.



 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, good to know.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on 
>> new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the 
>> road 
>> but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. 
>> Your 
>> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
>>> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was 
>>> just 
>>> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers 
>>> would 
>>> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>>
>>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
 around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
 woot!). 

>>>
 Philip 
 Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last ride of 2022

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Three worms was easy, I had to hold the three while I used the pronged 
worming needle to coax the 4th into place. They’re all half length worms as 
I cut them to make the worms last, but if I hadn’t, it would’ve been better 
to have used two worms doubled over into four, then the curves of the worms 
could act as a wedge. The freezing temperatures might’ve been to my 
benefit, otherwise the warm rubber goo factor would’ve likely caused the 
worms to worm out of there pronto. 
So, it was luck. Might need some of those specialty large plugs for the 
next time…
-Kai


On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 10:14:37 AM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> PS: I later bought some exotic and expensive plugs meant for big holes and 
> now carry both types, but if there's an effective technique for using the 
> little ones in big holes, I'd love to learn it.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 8:13 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Kai: I'm glad the multi-plug method worked. Can you describe the size of 
>> the hole and how you got the first plugs to "stick" in place while you 
>> added the others? 
>>
>> I ask because I once had a piece of cane stalk go through my rear Big One 
>> leaving a little-finger-size hole. I tried to install the standard worms 
>> but each would just fall into the cavity when I inserted the next one, and 
>> I finally ran out. This left me walking 5 miles home in spd shoes. 
>> Fortunately this was in pleasantly cool fall weather, not in the dead of 
>> winter.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 12:15 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 606EFEA5-0DAE-43AD-A83D-A881ADA9E73A.jpeg]
>>> That day that the temperature went from 60 to zero in no time, I 
>>> positioned a busted piece of plexiglass to protect my bars from freezing 
>>> up, along with my standard saddle protector.
>>> The night was a cold one, around six fahrenheit, and as I made my way 
>>> towards the Queensboro/Ed Koch bridge I felt a massive mystery thing enter 
>>> and leave my tire. Having forgotten to stick an emergency tube in my fixit 
>>> kit, I was faced with the shame of hiking to the Subway, but certainly not 
>>> before I made a pathetic attempt to fix the finger sized hole in my tire. I 
>>> had to hurry as my both my fingers and my sealant were freezing up (took 
>>> some time to warm up the tip of my backup sealant bottle’s applicator tube 
>>> to get it over my valve,  needing to add some as I’d lost a lot of the 
>>> stuff). Anyhows, 4 tire worms later and I was back in business! Notice the 
>>> freezing sealant, it was a miracle. 
>>> Most worms I’d ever used before was two, hope to never see another hole 
>>> that big on a night so cold…
>>> [image: C0E7C619-2F09-48B8-99B6-274BAF87167C.jpeg]
>>>
>>> After the few miles left on the home bound journey-
>>> [image: B7F9CA64-CFF2-45C9-87DF-3B9F32EAB606.jpeg]
>>> Happy New Year everyone!
>>> -Kai
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[J G]

The Paul Motolites do also have the best quick release mechanism of the 
bunch.

The Paul brake that stands out the most to me is the Racer and Racer M. 
 Even better in post mount.  That is the kind of brake you build a bike 
around.  

I run the gamut of Pauls and like them all just fine, but I am also ok with 
DXR, BB7s etc. when I want to keep costs in check.  Setup is the most 
important thing with brakes and good compassionless housing.
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 8:26:26 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I would not agree that the only difference between most well-functioning 
> v-brakes and Paul Motolites is the name. On my Riv Custom that started with 
> Shimano DXR brakes the Pauls are notably nicer to modulate. Are they worth 
> the money? That's a different question I answered for myself, they do work 
> better. 
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:23:02 PM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:
>
>> For me, Paul brakes are not worth the retail price.  Good V-brakes (the 
>> level above department store) are universally well-functioning.  Paul buys 
>> you the name on the brake arm and probably some more freedom from 
>> maintenance.  Now, I think it's important to point out that I've owned one 
>> set of mini-motos.  I found them finicky.  TRP mini-Vs were better.  Will I 
>> still probably buy a set of Paul's if they're a good used deal?  Probably.  
>> Not going to spend $500 on them, though.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, good to know.

 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on 
> new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the 
> road 
> but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. 
> Your 
> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
>> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was 
>> just 
>> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers 
>> would 
>> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>
>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
>>> around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
>>> woot!). 
>>>
>>
>>> Philip 
>>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

I would not agree that the only difference between most well-functioning 
v-brakes and Paul Motolites is the name. On my Riv Custom that started with 
Shimano DXR brakes the Pauls are notably nicer to modulate. Are they worth 
the money? That's a different question I answered for myself, they do work 
better. 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 6:23:02 PM UTC-8 Will Boericke wrote:

> For me, Paul brakes are not worth the retail price.  Good V-brakes (the 
> level above department store) are universally well-functioning.  Paul buys 
> you the name on the brake arm and probably some more freedom from 
> maintenance.  Now, I think it's important to point out that I've owned one 
> set of mini-motos.  I found them finicky.  TRP mini-Vs were better.  Will I 
> still probably buy a set of Paul's if they're a good used deal?  Probably.  
> Not going to spend $500 on them, though.
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, good to know.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on 
 new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the 
 road 
 but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your 
 results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just 
> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would 
> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>
> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
>> around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
>> woot!). 
>>
>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Will Boericke]

For me, Paul brakes are not worth the retail price.  Good V-brakes (the 
level above department store) are universally well-functioning.  Paul buys 
you the name on the brake arm and probably some more freedom from 
maintenance.  Now, I think it's important to point out that I've owned one 
set of mini-motos.  I found them finicky.  TRP mini-Vs were better.  Will I 
still probably buy a set of Paul's if they're a good used deal?  Probably.  
Not going to spend $500 on them, though.


On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 9:08:23 PM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, good to know.
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on 
>>> new bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the road 
>>> but not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your 
>>> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the 
 Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just 
 talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would 
 be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.

 The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?

 On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson  
 wrote:

> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike 
> around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, 
> woot!). 
>

> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Eliot Balogh]

Patrick, can you use a Suntour power hanger ? I loved mine.



On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 5:24 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks, good to know.
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on new
>> bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the road but
>> not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your
>> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the
>>> Klampers perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just
>>> talking to my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would
>>> be as powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>>
>>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike
 around, but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!).

>>>
 Philip
 Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, good to know.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 6:06 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on new
> bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the road but
> not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your
> results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride.
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the Klampers
>> perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just talking to
>> my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would be as
>> powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>>
>> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around,
>>> but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!).
>>>
>>
>>> Philip
>>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: For sale: Rivendell seersucker, Patagonia nano puff, VP pedals, wool sox

[Eric Marth]

All sold! 

Thanks! 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:22:44 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:

> Hi all — Continuing to sort through my stuff. Prices are net to me and do 
> not include shipping. Please contact me off-list. 
>
> More pictures over here.  
> 
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> [image: IMG_4656.JPG]
>
> *Rivendell MUSA Seersucker shirt — $30*
> Circa mid-2000s Rivendell seersucker shirt. Made in USA. Off-white with 
> blue-gray stripes. Oxford collar, two chest pockets. Both chest pockets 
> have pencil stalls. All buttons present and intact. Measures 22" from pit 
> to pit and 30" from top of collar to bottom hem. There are some stains 
> inside the collar, at the cuffs and near the bottom hem. Not really showing 
> up in the pics but they're there. 
>
> [image: IMG_4649.JPG]
>
> *Patagonia Nano Puff jacket — $30*
> In their "forge gray" color. Labeled a size medium. Made in Vietnam. 
> Insulated with Primaloft synthetic insulation. Several pinholes with 
> insulation poking through. Embroidered on right sleeve. Abrasions from 
> embroidery removal at center of back, below collar. Measures 22" from pit 
> to pit. 
>
> [image: IMG_4665.JPG]
>
> *Darn Tough merino no-show socks, four pair — $30 *
> Made in USA, labeled a size large. 51% Merino Wool/45% Nylon/4% Lycra 
> Spandex. Four pairs (eight socks). Black with white details. Lightly worn. 
>
> [image: IMG_4663.JPG]
>
> *Darn Tough hiker boot midweight socks (full cushion) — $10*
> Made in USA. Lightly worn, tan and burnt orange. Labeled a size large. 66% 
> Merino Wool 32% Nylon 2% Lycra Spandex. 
>
> [image: IMG_4668.JPG]
>
> *Smartwool ankle socks — $5*
> Unsure of where these were made or material content. Definitely ≥ 50% 
> merino wool. They seem to be similar to the "run light cushion" socks they 
> currently sell. Labeled a large. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-01-05 at 4.17.12 PM.png]
>
> *VP-001 pedals — $30 OBO*
> Refurbished VP pedals. The "thin gripster" as Rivendell called them. Some 
> scuffs and scrapes. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

Klampers are great, the couple hydraulic systems I've tried (stock on new 
bikes, I don't remember the brands) were marginally greater on the road but 
not worth the extra complication (bleeding) over the cable Pauls. Your 
results may vary on steep, rocky descents I don't ride. 

Joe Bernard 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 4:46:22 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the Klampers 
> perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just talking to 
> my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would be as 
> powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>
> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, 
>> but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!). 
>>
>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Eric Marth]

Huston reminds me that while Paul sells replacement parts for all their 
breaks the o-ring prices are criminal. Criminal I say! They're $2/each from 
Paul. At my local hardware store, Earl's Tru Value, they're 10¢ each. 

A box of 100 #012 o-rings from McMaster-Carr is $3.26. That's 3¢ per ring 
(and maybe even where Paul's ordering 'em from). Now I have beef with Paul *and 
*Earl. 

Forgive me if I've ranted about this before. I understand they have to make 
it worth their while and if they're paying someone to find, pack and ship 
the o-rings they can't do it at 10¢ apiece. But check out your local 
hardware store for those 012 and 013 o-rings. 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:46:22 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the Klampers 
> perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just talking to 
> my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would be as 
> powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.
>
> The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?
>
> On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
>
>> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, 
>> but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!). 
>>
>
>> Philip 
>> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Getting my groove back on with the Platypus - dealing with near misses

[Jay LePree]

Hi all,
Thanks again for this great advice. I will start to take the lane. I also 
like the idea of pointing straight through the intersection.
Jay

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 9:41:43 PM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I understand how you feel.  We all feel this way occasionally and most 
> places are car centric in that there is not bike specific infrastructure.  
> And gyms are located on heavily traveled roads as most businesses are.  I'm 
> a Cycling Savvy Instructor which helps riders understand the traffic system 
> so you can have a better experience.  I invite you to join me for my next 
> course Jan 27th.  The classroom session is on Zoom so you can attend from 
> anywhere.  Please let me know if you are interested and I can send you the 
> link.  By all means you should be able to ride your bike wherever you 
> want.  Cycling Savvy has helped me do just that.  I make all my trips by 
> bike except one per week (to keep the battery charged).  If I can, you can 
> too.  I'm in Charlotte, NC which is also car centric.  
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2022 at 2:58:14 PM UTC-5 Jay LePree wrote:
>
>> Hi all:
>> I live in car-centric, crowded, northeastern NJ.  I joined a gym two 
>> towns over and ride my bike to the gym, about 3.5 miles each way.  I take 
>> the least busiest streets possible, but unfortunately, I need to ride 
>> through a semi-busy, though traffic-lit intersection.
>>
>> In my last 12 trips to the gym, I have had two near misses which could 
>> have been hits if I did not ride like Kent Peterson had described.  "Treat 
>> cars like big animals with poor eyesight that can't see you.  In one case, 
>> at night, although I have a Schmidt Edelux II, a huge reflective ankle 
>> bracelet on my basket, wear a reflective vest and have reflective ankle 
>> bands, I had a car nearly make a left turn into me while I was crossing the 
>> intersection.  The car was going straight through, and without signalling, 
>> decided to turn left at the last minute.  I stopped in time to prevent "the 
>> left cross".  Not less than 5 days later, in clear, bright daylight, I had 
>> a car pass me on the right and then proceed to turn right in front of me.  
>> (I think this is called the right hook?).  Again, applying Kent's approach 
>> to riding, I was able to stop in time.
>>
>> I am thankful my skills were sufficent to prevent contact, but now I am 
>> skittish.  Given the legalized weed and the propensity for peope to drink 
>> around this time of year, I am finding excuses not to ride to the gym, even 
>> in daylight.  I think it is the back-to-back nature of these incidents that 
>> has me most unnerved.  
>>
>> How have all of you got your groove back on?  
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jay LePree
>> Demarest, NJ
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Patrick Moore]

Philip: Can you (or can anyone else for that matter) say how the Klampers
perform compared to TRP Hy Rds or to full hydraulics? I was just talking to
my brother about the Hy Rds and wondering if the Kampers would be as
powerful and modulate as well without the hydraulic complication.

The Klampers have single-side pad actuation, right?

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 3:36 PM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> ... I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around,
> but went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!).
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Patrick Moore]

I use Paul cantis. I don't know if they're worth the premium over every
other cantilever brake -- the IRDs on my 2010 Sam set up by Riv staff
worked better than the Paul's on my 2020 Matthews and IMO looked as good;
but I certainly didn't mind paying the premium to get decent braking, good
looks, even more the easy adjustment, and above all the freedom from the
squeal and chatter that I experienced with the Tektro 720s that they
replaced on the 2020 Matthews, which has mile-long steerer and head tubes.
I daresay I could have drilled a hole in the fork crown and mounted a
housing stop there to stop the squeal and chatter, and I may eventually do
that, but I don't regret paying for the Paul's, again for the other
qualities listed. This Matthews is a "nice bike."

And Huston's experience with service and parts just adds yet another reason
for the Paul's.

On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 1:16 PM Huston  wrote:

> I was recently reminded of this thread when completing an overhaul of my
> Paul touring cantis.  After years of four-season commuting, the arms and
> spring adjuster nuts still look great; however, the springs (corrosion) and
> one o-ring (split) needed to be replaced.  Plus, it was time for some fresh
> straddle cables.  All of these tiny bits were readily available, both
> directly from Paul and from retailers.  Furthermore, upon submission of a
> question via the Paul website, I received a prompt response from the man
> himself.  IMO, these are just a couple of more reasons why these brakes are
> indeed "worth the money."
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with
>> love levers. Are they worth it?
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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Joe Bernard]

It really DID just stop raining, right after I used my trusty Motolites 
with Paul Levers on wet rims a few times. You're going to love those 
Klampers, I'm not much of a disc guy but they're amazing. Better that 
Motos? Nah, but just as good if you're building a disc bike. 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:35:57 PM UTC-8 Philip Williamson wrote:

> I just read through the thread with interest - I didn't realize it was 
> from Sept 2022 until the last post!
>
> I've used Paul cantis, a Neo-retro /Touring setup, and Minimotos. 
> Minimotos were the only brake that worked on two bikes to eliminate judder. 
> Absolutely worth it for that alone. I sold one pair when I parted out the 
> Pinarello cross bike, and the other set will probably stay on the Frances 
> forever. 
> I've never used the Paul levers, but now I'd consider it if I ever build a 
> flat-bar bike again. Paul drop bar levers would be AMAZING, in both long 
> and short pull. 
> I have Moon Units on the Quickbeam, since the special green anodizing 
> looks good with the bike (it clashed with the Frances green). I mimicked 
> the straddle height from the CX-50 stock setup, and they work great.  
>
> I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, but 
> went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!). 
>
> Philip 
> Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-8 Huston wrote:
>
>> I was recently reminded of this thread when completing an overhaul of my 
>> Paul touring cantis.  After years of four-season commuting, the arms and 
>> spring adjuster nuts still look great; however, the springs (corrosion) and 
>> one o-ring (split) needed to be replaced.  Plus, it was time for some fresh 
>> straddle cables.  All of these tiny bits were readily available, both 
>> directly from Paul and from retailers.  Furthermore, upon submission of a 
>> question via the Paul website, I received a prompt response from the man 
>> himself.  IMO, these are just a couple of more reasons why these brakes are 
>> indeed "worth the money."
>>
>> Huston
>> Lexington, KY
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:
>>
>>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>>> love levers. Are they worth it?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Philip Williamson]

I just read through the thread with interest - I didn't realize it was from 
Sept 2022 until the last post!

I've used Paul cantis, a Neo-retro /Touring setup, and Minimotos. Minimotos 
were the only brake that worked on two bikes to eliminate judder. 
Absolutely worth it for that alone. I sold one pair when I parted out the 
Pinarello cross bike, and the other set will probably stay on the Frances 
forever. 
I've never used the Paul levers, but now I'd consider it if I ever build a 
flat-bar bike again. Paul drop bar levers would be AMAZING, in both long 
and short pull. 
I have Moon Units on the Quickbeam, since the special green anodizing looks 
good with the bike (it clashed with the Frances green). I mimicked the 
straddle height from the CX-50 stock setup, and they work great.  

I do have a set of NIB Klampers I considered building a bike around, but 
went with yet another canti-post bike (a Bruce Gordon, woot!). 

Philip 
Sonoma County, Calif (did it really just stop raining?) 

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 12:16:18 PM UTC-8 Huston wrote:

> I was recently reminded of this thread when completing an overhaul of my 
> Paul touring cantis.  After years of four-season commuting, the arms and 
> spring adjuster nuts still look great; however, the springs (corrosion) and 
> one o-ring (split) needed to be replaced.  Plus, it was time for some fresh 
> straddle cables.  All of these tiny bits were readily available, both 
> directly from Paul and from retailers.  Furthermore, upon submission of a 
> question via the Paul website, I received a prompt response from the man 
> himself.  IMO, these are just a couple of more reasons why these brakes are 
> indeed "worth the money."
>
> Huston
> Lexington, KY
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
>> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
>> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
>> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
>> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
>> love levers. Are they worth it?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[David Lipsky]

I often feel like, at 120 pounds, I’m in the wrong club. Riv frames are 
over-built for me and wheels are, too!
At least big tires can give a forgiving ride.

David


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[RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Greg Simmons]

I love riding through those long winter shadows, and the way they blink 
past on a forest road ride. It's amazing how unique and recognizable the 
landscape of the eastern deciduous forest is! Even before I saw the mention 
of Midlothian, I wondered if the photo was from NC or VA. Nice shot!

Greg Simmons
Boone, NC

On Wednesday, January 4, 2023 at 7:32:52 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Takashi, I have enjoyed seeing your images of Japan for years. Thank you. 
> My wife and I enjoy watching the NHK program, "Cycling in Japan."   
> Here's an image of my brother-in-law on his Homer Hilsen in Albemarle 
> County, Virginia, near Charlottesville. I love the way the shadows are long 
> almost anytime of day in mid-winter.   
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.  
> [image: IMG_5222.jpeg]
>   
> On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 11:44:40 AM UTC-5 Takashi wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year!
>> (It's already New Year's Day here in the Far East)
>>
>> I enjoyed Eric's Fall Foliage Fotos thread very much, looking at 
>> beautiful photos of various places, so I thought I'd start a new thread 
>> where members can share winter ride photos.
>> Here's a photo from the last ride in 2022. 
>> We are having relatively little snowfall so far, and main roads are 
>> plowed and are mostly free of snow. No problem riding non-studded tires.
>>
>>
>> [image: DSC02704.jpg]
>>
>> Hoping that we all can enjoy many, many kilometers of riding bikes this 
>> year!
>> Takashi
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Sackville Small Trunk Sack - Tan color

[Carl G]

Still available, so price dropped to *$85 shipped to US address.*

Please contact me directly if interested.

Thanks,

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 2:28:51 PM UTC-8 Carl G wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> FS: Riv Sackville Small Trunk Sack - Tan color
>
> I decided to go another route with this so no longer have a need for this 
> bag. Used once or twice, basically new condition.
>
> $95 shipped in the continental US. 
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> [image: sackville-trunk-small.jpg]
>

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[RBW] Re: Are Paul brakes worth the money?

[Huston]

I was recently reminded of this thread when completing an overhaul of my 
Paul touring cantis.  After years of four-season commuting, the arms and 
spring adjuster nuts still look great; however, the springs (corrosion) and 
one o-ring (split) needed to be replaced.  Plus, it was time for some fresh 
straddle cables.  All of these tiny bits were readily available, both 
directly from Paul and from retailers.  Furthermore, upon submission of a 
question via the Paul website, I received a prompt response from the man 
himself.  IMO, these are just a couple of more reasons why these brakes are 
indeed "worth the money."

Huston
Lexington, KY

On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 1:52:35 PM UTC-4 Bill Fulford wrote:

> I was recently gifted $500 to Rivendell. My plan was to upgrade my 2007 
> Atlantis with Paul brakes and levers. I placed the order only to read later 
> that the brakes are sold per wheel. That’s  more than I wanted to spend. So 
> before I call Rivendell tomorrow morning to cancel I’m wondering how folks 
> feel about these brakes? I would be ordering the linear pull brake with 
> love levers. Are they worth it?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[Brian Turner]

Good point that hasn’t been discussed here yet… I’ve only ever seen them listed as a 36 hole hub. On Jan 5, 2023, at 2:44 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch  wrote:I’ve only seen them listed as 36 hole hubs. Is that correct, that there is not a 32 hole option?David LipskyOn Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:43:15 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:I built one up in the rear wheel of my Clementine Cargo Cycle with a Velocity Cliffhanger rim. It was a good match, cosmetically, to the Panasonic front dyno hub. Works perfectly so far. I bought two, I haven't built the other one up yet, it will probably get used with a Shutter Precision front dyno hub that I have..It was about, say, 5% harder to build into a wheel due to the drive side flange being larger than the non-drive side flange - had to flex the non-drive side spokes to get them into the flange, but pretty minor. The larger drive side flange reduces the angle difference between the sides, so the wheel is slightly stronger, and has slightly more even spoke tension between the sides, so a good trade-off.I say use one, especially if you are using a front dyno hub. When not using a front dyno hub, I prefer my hubs to match, but not everyone feels that way.LaingDelray Beach FLOn Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d like to share?Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.



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[RBW] Re: Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[lconley]

Only 36 as far as I know. All of my hubs are 36, 40 and 48.

Laing

On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:44:03 PM UTC-5 Hetchins52 wrote:

> I’ve only seen them listed as 36 hole hubs. Is that correct, that there is 
> not a 32 hole option?
> David Lipsky
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:43:15 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I built one up in the rear wheel of my Clementine Cargo Cycle with a 
>> Velocity Cliffhanger rim. It was a good match, cosmetically, to the 
>> Panasonic front dyno hub. Works perfectly so far. I bought two, I haven't 
>> built the other one up yet, it will probably get used with a Shutter 
>> Precision front dyno hub that I have..
>>
>> It was about, say, 5% harder to build into a wheel due to the drive side 
>> flange being larger than the non-drive side flange - had to flex the 
>> non-drive side spokes to get them into the flange, but pretty minor. The 
>> larger drive side flange reduces the angle difference between the sides, so 
>> the wheel is slightly stronger, and has slightly more even spoke tension 
>> between the sides, so a good trade-off.
>>
>> I say use one, especially if you are using a front dyno hub. When not 
>> using a front dyno hub, I prefer my hubs to match, but not everyone feels 
>> that way.
>>
>> [image: hubs.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>>
>>> I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.
>>> Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d 
>>> like to share?
>>>
>>> Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv Silver Rear Hubs

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve only seen them listed as 36 hole hubs. Is that correct, that there is 
not a 32 hole option?
David Lipsky
On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:43:15 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I built one up in the rear wheel of my Clementine Cargo Cycle with a 
> Velocity Cliffhanger rim. It was a good match, cosmetically, to the 
> Panasonic front dyno hub. Works perfectly so far. I bought two, I haven't 
> built the other one up yet, it will probably get used with a Shutter 
> Precision front dyno hub that I have..
>
> It was about, say, 5% harder to build into a wheel due to the drive side 
> flange being larger than the non-drive side flange - had to flex the 
> non-drive side spokes to get them into the flange, but pretty minor. The 
> larger drive side flange reduces the angle difference between the sides, so 
> the wheel is slightly stronger, and has slightly more even spoke tension 
> between the sides, so a good trade-off.
>
> I say use one, especially if you are using a front dyno hub. When not 
> using a front dyno hub, I prefer my hubs to match, but not everyone feels 
> that way.
>
> [image: hubs.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 7:49:25 AM UTC-5 Keith P. wrote:
>
>> I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.
>> Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d 
>> like to share?
>>
>> Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Abridged summary of rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 24 updates in 9 topics

[Martin Alvarez]

Hello! Can I please be unsubscribed from this mailing list?

Thank you!
On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 7:49 AM  wrote:

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>- Riv Silver Rear Hubs <#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_0> - 2
>Updates
>- front derailleur on a Gus? <#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_1>
>- 4 Updates
>- Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023
><#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_2> - 3 Updates
>- Are Billy Bonkers narrower than listed?
><#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_3> - 9 Updates
>- First Ride of 2023 <#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_4> - 1
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>- FS: MUSA Pants and Bar End Shifter Lot
><#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_5> - 1 Update
>- Last ride of 2022 <#m_-2654386279815708811_group_thread_6> - 1 Update
>- For Sale (again!): Paul Moon Units — kinda polished
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> Riv Silver Rear Hubs
> 
> "Keith P." : Jan 05 04:49AM -0800
>
> I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.
> Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d
> like to share?
>
> Starting to build up my new Sam and am ...more
> 
> Brian Turner : Jan 05 08:28AM -0500
>
> I'm three months in with a Silver rear hub on my Gus. I decided to trust
> the assessment on Riv's site instead of searching for more expensive
> options. When I first received the hub, I was impressed ...more
> 
> Back to top <#m_-2654386279815708811_digest_top>
> front derailleur on a Gus?
> 
> Josiah Anderson : Jan 04 01:49PM -0800
>
> I don't think you'll have any issues. I have a low clamp XT front derailer
> set up to clear a 46t big ring on my Gus and it's still a cm or so below
> the lower water bottle boss. I'm imagining that ...more
> 
> Danny : Jan 04 04:24PM -0600
>
> Is the Gus seat tube ovalized down at the bottom like the Susie? I seem to
> remember being the case.
>
> If so, I ran into an issue trying to fit a low clamp FD with a 24-34-guard
> setup on a Silver ...more
> 
> Richard Rose : Jan 04 07:36PM -0500
>
> Now you have me wondering. But, I think it is round.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2023, at 5:24 PM, Danny  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Is the Gus seat tube ovalized down at the bottom ...more
> 
> Richard Rose : Jan 04 10:47PM -0500
>
> Well I'll be, the seat tube most definitely IS ovalized. But, it happens
> pretty abruptly at the very end. It's definitely round just a bit below the
> bottom cage boss - just enough to squeeze that rear ...more
> 
> Back to top <#m_-2654386279815708811_digest_top>
> Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023
> 
> Bikie#4646 : Jan 04 04:32PM -0800
>
> Takashi, I have enjoyed seeing your images of Japan for years. Thank you.
> My wife and I enjoy watching the NHK program, "Cycling in Japan."
> Here's an image of my brother-in-law on his Homer ...more
> 
> Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! : Jan 04 05:56PM -0800
>
> Does it count as a winter ride if it was 46 degrees in Michigan today? Is
> it a spring ride? I don’t know what’s happening here. Last week, blizzard.
> This week, green grass and zero snow.
> ...more
> 
> Eric Marth : Jan 04 06:53PM -0800
>
> Great pics, everyone!
>
> [image: IMG_4590.jpg]
>
> Here's one from a warm New Year's Day ride on my Appaloosa, it's been in
> the 60s and 70s here in Virginia. Damp, too.
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, ...more
> 

[RBW] Re: First Ride of 2023

[Tom Palmer]

Hi all,
First ride last evening in the dark, rain, and 40 degrees. I had a cold to 
finish 22 and start 23 but sucked it up because I knew it would be mentally 
beneficial.
The Platypus continues to astound me. Smooth, quick, comfortable, and agile 
was the feeling in spite of the weather. No pictures in the dark, but my 
new front dyno wheel is to be delivered today so I can finalize the build. 
Happy New Year.

Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

On Monday, January 2, 2023 at 10:11:26 AM UTC-5 Paul Clifton wrote:

> I'm really enjoying the Last Ride of 2022 thread with its short 
> descriptions of all different kinds of rides, so I thought I'd start a 
> first ride of 2023.
>
> I got out on my new years day ride down here on the Florida panhandle. It 
> was sunny and over 70 degrees. I rode a nice 12 mile loop that took me 
> through the Saint Joseph Bay State Buffer Preserve, then to a coffee 
> outside stop across from Salinas Park on Cape San Blas, then back to Indian 
> Pass along the beach. A perfect ride with the perfect tires for the job. 
> After the swampy puddles in the buffer and the salty beach sand, I 
> definitely rinsed the bike off when I got back.
>
> I hope everyone has a great 2023.
>
> Paul usually in AR[image: 20230101_131633.jpg][image: 20230101_140956.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[Brian Turner]

I’m three months in with a Silver rear hub on my Gus. I decided to trust the assessment on Riv’s site instead of searching for more expensive options. When I first received the hub, I was impressed with the build quality and finish. Nice steel freehub body. It’s fairly quiet… maybe just a bit louder than say, an XT hub. So far, no complaints here.On Jan 5, 2023, at 7:49 AM, Keith P.  wrote:I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d like to share?Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.



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[RBW] Riv Silver Rear Hubs

[Keith P.]

I couldn’t find a thread where these had been talked about.
Has anyone tried the Silver rear hubs & have opinions about them they’d 
like to share?

Starting to build up my new Sam and am looking into such things.

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