[RBW] Re: Parting Out 64cm Trek TX500
Wheels and bars have been spoken for. Frame, crank and derailleurs still up for grabs. Thanks, Marty On Aug 31, 9:44 pm, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Marty are your rims still available? If they're 18+ I'd like them. What is the width? I like to run 32c plus tires. Thanks, Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA On Aug 31, 4:32 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: So it's coming apart this weekend. Little or no use on anything, and everything works great. I need some of the bits for my next project, but here's what I have FS now: Sugino XP Crankset 175mm arms. 30/46 TA rings - 120.00 Nitto Technomic stem, Noodle bars, Gran Compe non-aero levers and Leather sew on wrap - 100.00 Phil wood/Velocity Dyad wheels. 36f/40r. 126mm Freewheel style. With skewers - 220.00 Suntour Cyclone Mark II front rear Deraillerus - Bullseye pulleys - 60.00 (Cosmetic scrape on rear d - I can send more detailed pics if you need 'em) The frame is still for sale too, but reduced to $1,100 shipped. Or...Make up your own combo and make me an offer. I can only ship on Saturday, or it may take another couple weeks - especially for the wheels bars. Marty On Aug 31, 9:55 am, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: Marty, That's a schweeet 'ek Wish I had the funds.It's my size. Clyde On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: A new project in the works, so this one has to go. Will go to Ebay in a couple weeks if no-one here is in the mood. Zero miles since completed as I moved to Chicago the weekend after it was completed. Shown at the Cirque du Cyclisme this year. Planning a Riv-based year- round heavy-duty commuter, and simply won't use this one. Gorgeous paint by Circle A., with plenty of braze-on work by Bishop bikes in Baltimore. Paul Racer braze-ons, Phil, Velocity, Brooks, Nitto, TA, Suntour, Honjo, all the Rivish stuff. Would love to keep it together, but will part it out if you can come up with a better package. (How could that be?) Frame alone, or complete as currently built. Specs on the Flickr page. Willing to deal within reason. Bike is in the Baltimore/Washington DC area. I am in Chicago, but get back pretty often. Negotiations begin at $1,300 for the FFHS (includes custom front rack that will only fit this bike) , or $2,300 complete. Shipping will be actual cost, or we can meet for a pickup at an agreeable location. Contact me off list. Thanks. http://tinyurl.com/3a959xu Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Bombadil for the trails?
Actually, I run my BAs at between 45 and 55 and weigh just a bit less than BB. Of course, that's for the comparatively narrow 50's. Per the chart that was in VBQ, that's just a couple of pounds over the recommended. And on a bike with the bars way up (the way I ride), the extra air in the back seems to be a benefits. FWIW, I run the Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700x40 in my Hillborne at 50 to 55 up front and about 60 or so in back. Definitely has the necessary drop without getting squirmish. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 31, 8:52 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: LOL!! OK, 60 PSI may be exaggerating slightly... but the behemoth BAs (29x2.35) ARE rated at 55 PSI... And on smooth roads, when fully inflated these tires are SUPER fast... Still, I fear I will hit a speed bump under these conditions and start bouncing out of control... like an errant Whamo Super-ball (remember those?)... The FUN factor of the BAs is hard to resist... I really should read BQ, come to think of it... BB On Aug 29, 4:04 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Y'all reeely, *reeely* surprise me! 60 psi in 60 mm BAs??? I find 25/35 rock hard -- now this is the Monocog 29er, so perhaps the frame has *something* to do with it, but I find the best compromise between pavement and sand to be about 16/20, and I weight 170, no flyweight, and the bike quite flies over pavement at those pressures. I've ridden them at 12/15 with just a little more rolling resistance on pavement; the downside is not that but sidewall flex in corners (front) and bouncing when pedaling fast (rear). I also run 22mm Turbos and 23 mm Contis (559 and 571) at ~ 80-90; no pinch flats as far as I can remember, and that is at least 15 years -- well one, when I deliberately ran into a mess of large gravel to see what would happen. Y'all ought to read what BQ says about tire pressures. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Ray: I run the 29er Big Apples in the 2.35 (60mm) width on the Fargo, which fit just fine, even with Planet Bike Cascadia fenders... They are over- the-top awesome tires! I can pump these up to 60 PSI and they FLY over the road.. Typically, though I keep them at around 32-35 PSI and- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
Enough, as I imagined it, would be sufficient for a given person. In other words, might it possible that someone might have a sufficiently narrow use range, so that one versatile bike could satisfy? Yeah, you're right, probably not. Not if that someone really likes bicycles. On Aug 31, 8:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal
Pliers padded with a rag worked for mine... -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of JB Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:16 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal I don't have the tool, but one of my vice grips have a curved jaw that matches the indents on the cap. It's worked well. John On Aug 31, 3:02 pm, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: bfd asked: Do you need a special tool to remove the dust cap? Thanks! --- It¹s possible to use pliers, but I've never done it without bunging up the edge. I like the tool for it: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/mks-pedal-tool/19-027 -- Jon Papa Grant Austin, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
Whoa. On Aug 31, 3:05 pm, Jacob Smyth jhsmyth...@gmail.com wrote: I have in my possession a Bridgestone Atlantis from 1982 designed by Hiroo Watanabe. The frame is made out of 4130 ChrMo steel. The seat post is an aluminum SR Laprade, made in Japan. The handlebar is a Nitto Universiade 105, still in very good condition. I am replacing the brake levers (Dia Compe Gran Compe) with a newer version of the same product. I am also going to re-tape the handlebars with fresh white cloth tape. The headset is a 1 Tange Falcon (made in Japan, but discontinued) and the fork is a Suntour Superbe Pro. Main Components Rear Derailleur - Dura Ace EX RD7200 Rear Derailleur - Dura Ace EX FD7200 Rearhub - Dura Ace EX FH7261 freehub? Shifters - Dura Ace EX SL7210 OR SL7220 Crank - Dura Ace EX FC7200 BB - Dura Ace EXBB7500 Rims - Araya 27 Tubular Brakes - Dia Compe Gran Compe 400 Pedals - probably , MIKASHIMA Cassestte - Dura Ace MF7160 You can the pictures here:http://picasaweb.google.com/100062156430961581353/BridgestoneAtlantis... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: MKS Touring Pedal
FWIW, the MKS dustcap is the same size as the cap on old style Campagnolo pedals, so you can use the old Campy pedal tool as well. David Sprunger Fargo, ND On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:46 PM, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: . Do you need a special tool to remove the dust cap? Thanks! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
From: Jacob Smyth jhsmyth...@gmail.com You can the pictures here: http://picasaweb.google.com/100062156430961581353/BridgestoneAtlantis02?feat =directlink --- A beautiful bicycle to be sure, but how is it appropriate to this list, please? -- Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Seen From My Riv Road ....
... on Sunday's ride. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4946596415/in/set-72157624728273365/ --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Not so much the competition stuff - I could care less about organized amateur (or pro for that matter) riding. But rather the certain magical ride quality a bike made with thin wall tubing, be it 531, Columbia SL or the modern equivalents the Bomb could never match. If the Bomb owner does not care about this admittedly subjective pleasure, than maybe the Bomb is the only bike needed. For me if I were to have only one bike it would probably be a Hilsen. Maybe 650b so I could use real fat tires for off/rough road. On Sep 1, 9:43 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Painted Hunqua
At the risk of getting flogged or banned, I have to be honest... for me the diagonal tube will take some time before I warm up to it. Even the double parallel TT looked odd and freakish to me at first, but now I absolutely love it... it looks strong and clean, and yet still preserves the classic triangle of the frame. My first reaction to the diagonal tube was that it somehow disrupts this clean look. At second glance it starts to look kinda funky-cool, and I expect there will be that one owner who will set it up in such a cool way as to establish the true personality of this bike and really bring it to life. I'm still kinda on the fence about the gray and red... I guess I have to see a few built up... although the pic on the Riv site with the Big Apples and bullmoose bars (and single TT) looks awesome in that color. But I believe there's still a hidden color combo out there just waiting to get at the Hunqapillar... that's what I find so exciting about these bikes... the fact that I love the Atlantis stock color, but LOVE some of the alternate colors I've seen. The green Hillborne looks great; the orange Hillborne looks stunning... Funny thing about the double TT... my friend (half-seriously) joked in an email about the Bombadil... It looks like one of those Chinese Flying Pidgeons that millions of people ride in China, to which I could have responded with a nasty computer virus... instead I just said: That was intentional... it's a passive anti-theft device... I'm dying to do some kind of tank bag accessory for my Bombadil that will fit between the top tubes... I suppose the bag-makers could have a field day designing frame bags for the Hunqapillar... but I digress. Peace, BB On Aug 31, 8:19 pm, Jim jfxdinn...@gmail.com wrote: I agree it is fantastic. I also am dreaming and scheming, thinking of rational reasons to get it by the budget committee (my loving wife who is near the end of her patience with my bike fetish.) Harris Cyclery's Elton Pope Lance's rationalization (on his web site) is a classic that I look to for inspiration. Jim D. Massachusetts On Aug 30, 1:51 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Photos of the painted Hunqua are up on Riv. http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/354/original_HUNQA_AUG_30_site... WOW! It looks awesome. I was definitely anti-diagonal when it was suggested and was disappointed when they decided to go for it. Now I have to admit that I was wrong, it looks great and I am dreaming and scheming. Any other crossovers out there? Cheers! cm- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Parting Out 64cm Trek TX500
Crankset sold - thanks. On Sep 1, 5:23 am, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: Wheels and bars have been spoken for. Frame, crank and derailleurs still up for grabs. Thanks, Marty On Aug 31, 9:44 pm, Mitch Browne mitch.bro...@gmail.com wrote: Marty are your rims still available? If they're 18+ I'd like them. What is the width? I like to run 32c plus tires. Thanks, Mitch San Luis Obispo, CA On Aug 31, 4:32 pm, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: So it's coming apart this weekend. Little or no use on anything, and everything works great. I need some of the bits for my next project, but here's what I have FS now: Sugino XP Crankset 175mm arms. 30/46 TA rings - 120.00 Nitto Technomic stem, Noodle bars, Gran Compe non-aero levers and Leather sew on wrap - 100.00 Phil wood/Velocity Dyad wheels. 36f/40r. 126mm Freewheel style. With skewers - 220.00 Suntour Cyclone Mark II front rear Deraillerus - Bullseye pulleys - 60.00 (Cosmetic scrape on rear d - I can send more detailed pics if you need 'em) The frame is still for sale too, but reduced to $1,100 shipped. Or...Make up your own combo and make me an offer. I can only ship on Saturday, or it may take another couple weeks - especially for the wheels bars. Marty On Aug 31, 9:55 am, clyde canter clyde.can...@gmail.com wrote: Marty, That's a schweeet 'ek Wish I had the funds.It's my size. Clyde On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: A new project in the works, so this one has to go. Will go to Ebay in a couple weeks if no-one here is in the mood. Zero miles since completed as I moved to Chicago the weekend after it was completed. Shown at the Cirque du Cyclisme this year. Planning a Riv-based year- round heavy-duty commuter, and simply won't use this one. Gorgeous paint by Circle A., with plenty of braze-on work by Bishop bikes in Baltimore. Paul Racer braze-ons, Phil, Velocity, Brooks, Nitto, TA, Suntour, Honjo, all the Rivish stuff. Would love to keep it together, but will part it out if you can come up with a better package. (How could that be?) Frame alone, or complete as currently built. Specs on the Flickr page. Willing to deal within reason. Bike is in the Baltimore/Washington DC area. I am in Chicago, but get back pretty often. Negotiations begin at $1,300 for the FFHS (includes custom front rack that will only fit this bike) , or $2,300 complete. Shipping will be actual cost, or we can meet for a pickup at an agreeable location. Contact me off list. Thanks. http://tinyurl.com/3a959xu Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2Bunsubscrib e...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
I've considered this subject a few times recently. I am hoping to semi- retire next year and relocate to smaller place near the ocean, perhaps with only a one car garage. what bike or what few bikes would I choose to do the riding Ilike to do. I would want a lightweight fast road bike with 28mm tires, an allrounder that could handle 40mm tires, a touring bike with racks, a bomber mountain bike with 2.2 knobbies and a cheap urban bike that won't attack attention locked to a pole. I also need to consider space for our tandem and wifes urban bike. I can't see to get down to below 2. Maybe a 650B Hilsen with two wheelsets and perhaps a Hunqapillar, Bombadil or Fargo would work. On 2nd thought I better look for a two car garage. ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 8:20 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Not so much the competition stuff - I could care less about organized amateur (or pro for that matter) riding. But rather the certain magical ride quality a bike made with thin wall tubing, be it 531, Columbia SL or the modern equivalents the Bomb could never match. If the Bomb owner does not care about this admittedly subjective pleasure, than maybe the Bomb is the only bike needed. For me if I were to have only one bike it would probably be a Hilsen. Maybe 650b so I could use real fat tires for off/rough road. On Sep 1, 9:43 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Painted Hunqua
on 9/1/10 7:15 AM, Montclair BobbyB at montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: At the risk of getting flogged or banned, I have to be honest... Now, now... ON Topic and Honest will not get one banned. Disrespect and OT ramblings, on the other hand... ;^) for me the diagonal tube will take some time before I warm up to it. Even the double parallel TT looked odd and freakish to me at first, but now I absolutely love it... it looks strong and clean, and yet still preserves the classic triangle of the frame. I do think that seeing images of these frames, onscreen, without context of parts or application, can be really jarring. I'm lucky enough to live close enough to RBWHQL to visit occasionally (and fortunate enough to live far enough away to keep _some_ of my discretionary income...), but it has been interesting to handle the prototype Hunquapillars and see how this frame has evolved. When you get to see the Hunqua on the showroom floor next to the Roadeo, Atlantis, Hillborne, Hilsen and Bombadil, it does seem to make a lot more sense. It the Hunquapillar were the only frame Rivendell produced, that would be one thing, but when you see them all together, it stands as a reminder that they are all Rivendells at the core, with a wide variety of versatile expressions. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes You must be the change you want to see in the world. Mahatma Gandhi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. Well parried. I mean, in my own case, I *do* want at least one, light, fast as possible road bike with all the qualities of top road bike handling -- and this is what rules out a heavier, heavier wheeled, slower handling bike -- can't speak of the Bombadil since I've not ridden it, but it certainly rules out the Sam Hill. I know what you mean; I tried it myself once, but gave up -- too much compromise between -- in my case -- ability to negotiate sandy soil and fast road type handling and feel. Each to his own, I guess. But I do maintain that it is not possible for me. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
Well parried. I'm glad you took as intended, just playing with words. I'm totally on board with the notion that there is a broad range of ride qualities that no one bike can provide, and I think you are spot on with tubing dimensions. I think what you'd need is a bike with a couple dials on the handlebars that can adjust the diameter and wall thickness of your frame tubing. Build me a bike with that feature, and that bike could 'do it all' for me. On Sep 1, 9:03 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 8:43 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. Well parried. I mean, in my own case, I *do* want at least one, light, fast as possible road bike with all the qualities of top road bike handling -- and this is what rules out a heavier, heavier wheeled, slower handling bike -- can't speak of the Bombadil since I've not ridden it, but it certainly rules out the Sam Hill. I know what you mean; I tried it myself once, but gave up -- too much compromise between -- in my case -- ability to negotiate sandy soil and fast road type handling and feel. Each to his own, I guess. But I do maintain that it is not possible for me. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Seen From My Riv Road ....
Dont stare too long! You'll miss the turn! On Sep 1, 7:34 am, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: ... on Sunday's ride. http://www.flickr.com/photos/35176...@n03/4946596415/in/set-721576247... --Eric campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
...but how is it appropriate to this list, please? 1) Made by Bridgestone- the company that Grant used to work for 2) Has been discussed in depth in several RR 3) Has a direct link to the Riv Atlantis, so much so that the Riv has a 2 on it (this is the 1, right?) 4) Obviously influenced Grants thinking about bikes and bike design 5) Pretty sure it shares lugs with other later B-stone models that also influenced Riv designs (X0?) Thanks for pics! A beautiful bike. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
Yeah, but BESIDES all that On Sep 1, 9:42 am, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: ...but how is it appropriate to this list, please? 1) Made by Bridgestone- the company that Grant used to work for 2) Has been discussed in depth in several RR 3) Has a direct link to the Riv Atlantis, so much so that the Riv has a 2 on it (this is the 1, right?) 4) Obviously influenced Grants thinking about bikes and bike design 5) Pretty sure it shares lugs with other later B-stone models that also influenced Riv designs (X0?) Thanks for pics! A beautiful bike. Cheers! cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
Very nice. I especially like the catalogue page with the bike set-up with racks panniers. I've owned an Riv Atlantis since 03 and only recently learned the significance of the 2 on the decal. This one pre-dates my bike by 21 years. Nice to understand the lineage. dougP On Sep 1, 6:50 am, Jon Grant jgr...@papagrant.com wrote: From: Jacob Smyth jhsmyth...@gmail.com You can the pictures here:http://picasaweb.google.com/100062156430961581353/BridgestoneAtlantis... =directlink --- A beautiful bicycle to be sure, but how is it appropriate to this list, please? -- Jon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
Another side of the question is whether or not you demand the the ultimate in performance for various types of riding. If you intend to go on the weekly racers training ride on Thurs and rock hopping on Saturday, you need a couple of very different bicycles. OTH, if you like friendly pavement rides, S24Os, some hiking trails and fire roads, pretty much anything Riv makes can handle those. I've portaged my Atlantis across some rock falls that may have been passable on a double suspended MTB (not by me, mind you!) and chased some fast guys (downhill works best). It's obviously less than ideal for those situations, but not so much as to create serious bike lust. FWIW, as much as I love my Atlantis, I'll venture a Bomba or Hunqa, set up the same way, would perform just as well. dougP On Sep 1, 5:23 am, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Enough, as I imagined it, would be sufficient for a given person. In other words, might it possible that someone might have a sufficiently narrow use range, so that one versatile bike could satisfy? Yeah, you're right, probably not. Not if that someone really likes bicycles. On Aug 31, 8:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] 1982 Bridgestone Atlantis
That is a pretty bike! Very nice. Rob in Seattle On Aug 31, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Jacob Smyth wrote: I have in my possession a Bridgestone Atlantis from 1982 designed by Hiroo Watanabe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I wouldn't call either one 'better'. The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems stockier. To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I wouldn't call either one 'better'. The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] MKS Touring Pedal
I love my MKS pedals, both the touring and grip kings...I have about a half dozen on 5 bikes with a spare or two. However they come from the factory very light on lubrication. The first set I owned clicked and sent a shiver through my Quickbeam's frame. I thought the bottom bracket was toast until I did a little research. So for the next 5 sets I bought I repacked them before I even put them on a bike and haven't had any trouble at all since then. It took me a couple of tries the first time around to get them back together and spinning smoothly. I'd either tighten them a bit too much or too little but once I got it right it I could tell and now it's just a few minutes work. This comes up quite often on the list. I found some instructions that were useful the first time around at: http://stankertanker.blogspot.com/2008/12/mks-touring-pedal-dismay-and-rebuild.html Bob On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:12 AM, JB baile...@voyager.net wrote: Hi all, I'm having a lot of trouble with my MKS Tour pedals on my new A. Homer Hilsen. First, both pedals started having a clicking sound. I didn't really know what I was doing, but I took them apart and loosened the adjusting nut 1/4 turn. That seemed to fix the problem. Then, the left pedal seized up. I took it apart again, clean off the old grease and repacked the bearings with new grease. I noticed there wasn't much grease on the bearings to begin with and it was a dark gray in colour. They seem to work now, but I'll know better after today's ride. Is this normal for these pedals? They feel great and I would hate to have to give up on them. I know they're pretty cheap pedals, but I thought they would last a little longer without the hassles. Any advice would be very appreciated. John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks the same on both, which is nice (i'm a fan of Riv's nice forks). Unless it's a trick of the light, the orange on the Waterford version looks a bit deeper. I agree, both are nice frames. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems stockier. To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I wouldn't call either one 'better'. The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] MKS Touring Pedal
For such inexpensive but otherwise very good pedals, I use this method: Fill with Phil Tenacious Oil and ride until they are smooth. It has worked for me. Alas, I find them too narrow for my 10 Cs -- my bunion rubs the crankarm; prefer the MKS Touring pedal. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: I love my MKS pedals, both the touring and grip kings...I have about a half dozen on 5 bikes with a spare or two. However they come from the factory very light on lubrication. The first set I owned clicked and sent a shiver through my Quickbeam's frame. I thought the bottom bracket was toast until I did a little research. So for the next 5 sets I bought I repacked them before I even put them on a bike and haven't had any trouble at all since then. It took me a couple of tries the first time around to get them back together and spinning smoothly. I'd either tighten them a bit too much or too little but once I got it right it I could tell and now it's just a few minutes work. This comes up quite often on the list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it back! The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded underneath for a fender!! Send it back! On Sep 1, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks the same on both, which is nice (i'm a fan of Riv's nice forks). Unless it's a trick of the light, the orange on the Waterford version looks a bit deeper. I agree, both are nice frames. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems stockier. To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I wouldn't call either one 'better'. The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Indeed - I'd be happy to dispose of them properly, just email directly for my shipping address :-) Bill On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:35 PM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The Single TT one (Maxway?) has no BB cable guide installed!! Send it back! The Double TT one has a seatstay bridge that is not threaded underneath for a fender!! Send it back! On Sep 1, 12:14 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I also thought that someone else (not Maxway) was doing the forks, but can't remember who. Given that the lugs appear identical otherwise, i'm surprised in the differences in the forks, especially that the canti version seems to have narrower tapered legs. The fork bend looks the same on both, which is nice (i'm a fan of Riv's nice forks). Unless it's a trick of the light, the orange on the Waterford version looks a bit deeper. I agree, both are nice frames. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Did I read somewhere that the Maxway frame uses a Toyo built fork? Toyo did a fine job on prior forks, so one wonders why the one pictured by Bryan seems stockier. To be honest, both bikes look great to me. I like the paint on the Maxway a bit better, but agree that the Waterford crown is nicer. From: William tapebu...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, September 1, 2010 1:55:35 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne I'll vote (kind of). I'm surprised at how close the weights are. I think the double TT looks cool, and I'd find useful. On BART I have to grab hard on the seat tube to portage the bike up stairs, because I'd get a handful of frame pump if I grabbed the TT. A second TT would be a portage handle for me. I cannot think of another solution to that for under 8 ounces. Frame strength and stiffness-wise, I think the second TT is unnecessary. But, pretty lugs and a gorgeous headbadge aren't necessary either. I personally prefer cantilevers for a touring setup and sidepulls for a brevet/roadie setup. I wouldn't call either one 'better'. The thing I feel strongly about is the fork. I really don't like the fork on the single TT bike. I vastly prefer the curly crown, the curveback wings and especially the narrow tapered fork blades. The blades on the single TT one look clumsy and chubby. Ick. My 56cm Hillborne has a fork like the double TT version. Bottom line, if someone offered me a free trade of my single TT hillborne for a double TT hillborne, I'd probably take it. I would not pay $250 for the upgrade. Mine is perfectly fine. If I had to buy one of those two framesets from RenBikes today, I would absolutely pick the double TT one, and I would pay the $250 extra because A/ the fork is way nicer looking B/ I personally prefer cantilevers for my Hillborne setup and C/ I like the double TT. On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. --
[RBW] Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... I wonder if Grant/Riv would ever consider making a Paris-Galiber style bike: http://www.classicrendezvous.com/images/bike%20shops/Bicycle-Odyssey/Gablier_replica.jpg http://www.classicrendezvous.com/British_isles/Paris_Gablier_main.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... OK, I don't get it. These are 56cm frames, not 60/64/68 cm. I haven't ridden a bike with one of these frames, but are the single top tube frames flexy? Why the need for a double top tube?! Seems unnecessary. I know this isn't the bombadil and the frameset is designed to go off- road, but what's the purpose? Or is it a trademark thing for Riv since they seem to be the only retailer out there selling bikes with double top tubes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
but what's the purpose? obviously to protect the frame pump and to allow me to carry up the Bart stairs more easily Duh On Sep 1, 11:35 am, bfd bfd...@gmail.com wrote: On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... OK, I don't get it. These are 56cm frames, not 60/64/68 cm. I haven't ridden a bike with one of these frames, but are the single top tube frames flexy? Why the need for a double top tube?! Seems unnecessary. I know this isn't the bombadil and the frameset is designed to go off- road, but what's the purpose? Or is it a trademark thing for Riv since they seem to be the only retailer out there selling bikes with double top tubes. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are real Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv rookie... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. What qualities of Alan's fork make it better than yours? On Sep 1, 4:12 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are real Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv rookie... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I dont think calling it a crappy fork is fair. I have a Bleriot (obviously Taiwanese) and I dont think there is a crappy thing about it. Riv had supply problems with taiwan and needed another builder. G goes into it in some detail on the site. Seems like a new builder would be a great time to try some things you've been thinking of tryin', like a double top tube and canti's-- especially if it is a temporary arrangement. I dont think it makes one bike better than the other, just a little different. It does stink that it makes you think less of your bike and I can certainly understand that-- but at the end of the day it is the same great bike it was when you bought it. Would I trade my Bleriot for a double- TT, waterford SH? In a second with no hesitation but that doesn't make me less happy with my bike. If it did I would sell it to fund the SH. The Saluki came with different brakes. So did the Rom. The Atlantis has changed some over the years. Some customs were made by Richard Sachs (drool!), Brakes change, braze ons change, kickstand plates get added, some bikes get a bonus TT, some get a diagon-apillar, some made by maxway, some by toyo, some by waterford-- but they are all Rivs and all great bikes. Cheers, cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] WTT: Jack Brown Greens for wider tires
I have put about 200 miles on them; they were Riv's floor bike's tires at first. Checkerboard pattern just beginning to wear off on rear. Would like something 37 mm +; prefer something lightish and supple rather than armored and beefy -- don't know all that they make in those hugely fat sizes. A Pasela would be fine. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I own a 56cm Maxway canti Sam with the 3 spot fork crown and my bike is plenty stiff enough for off road endeavors. I originally had 70x40 knobbies on it and took it on very technical singletrack quite a few times... It never felt anything other than solid. and for the record... I like both fork crowns. (I'd be happy with either) ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 2:12 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are real Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv rookie... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. The Sam is a little unusual in that it was caught in production issues just as it was ramping up, so there was undoubtedly some scrambling to keep the initial run going, thought IIRC there were posts from Grant talking about the changes as they were happening. I hope you don't think you have a lesser bike for the minor differences. Waterford frames aren't custom either, but like the Maxways are certainly above-average production quality. Both of those forks are nice to my eye, and both have that curve i like so much. I owned a Redwood for a few years; it had a 1-color paint job and plainer lugs than any of the Sams, and it rode as well as any Rambouillet i tried, no regrets. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are real Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv rookie... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
I'm with Joel on the competitive riding. Sometimes I feel like I should care, but I just don't. I kind of wish I'd been the one to call Alberto Contador that tri guy. I have three bikes, and would be happy with just the Quickbeam. If it was my only bike, I wouldn't switch out the cockpit, since it's perfectly dialed, but I'd change the tires and remove the fenders sometimes. I'd also figure out an easy way to remove the dynamo lighting. When I bought it, I really wanted the ability to run fatter tires, but 40mm is plenty for what I ever do. I've ridden the QB on everything I ride my mountain bike on. With 28mm tires, the bike feels fast, and light 25s, more so. I don't see ever running 25s again, though. I would probably end up with a few wheels. Philip On Sep 1, 8:20 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Not so much the competition stuff - I could care less about organized amateur (or pro for that matter) riding. But rather the certain magical ride quality a bike made with thin wall tubing, be it 531, Columbia SL or the modern equivalents the Bomb could never match. If the Bomb owner does not care about this admittedly subjective pleasure, than maybe the Bomb is the only bike needed. For me if I were to have only one bike it would probably be a Hilsen. Maybe 650b so I could use real fat tires for off/rough road. On Sep 1, 9:43 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OK, I'll play: one bike can't do it all - I've tried. define can't. With a Bombadil and maybe 4 sets of tires and maybe 3 handlebar/cockpit setups, I'd argue that there is no ride under the big umbrella of it all' that this theoretical one bike can't do. In order to say that it can't, I think you'd have to bring in qualitative stuff like my Bombadil with road tires and drop bars can't be 23 lbs. Or that a moderate fitness level person can't keep up with similarly fit riders on MRCBs. Or that nobody could win the Tuesday night Crit on it. Don't get me wrong, I'm the last person in the world that would try to get by with one bike, but if I did want to live in a studio apartment and have only one bike, I bet I could have something that could cover everything I wanted to do on a bike, and that there would be nothing that I wanted to do on a bike that could not be done on that one bike. On Aug 31, 6:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
I'm down to a nearly all-time low of 3 bikes. What i've figured out with the single bike notion is that, for me, the goal of having one bike isn't worth the hassle of changing that bike for different uses. I do switch my 'cross bike from commuter to racer and back once a year, but i get tired of swapping out wheels and bags and whatnot just for a weekend of dirt riding. Likewise, i rode many years on a MB4 and got tired of the way it handled on the road with slicks. I'm not a racer or extreme rider by any means, but i do enjoy tools that are reasonably well-suited to the job, and my riding is diverse enough that i have a hard time getting below 2-3 bikes. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I also prefer the fork crown on the double tt model. Although I tend to like sidepulls better than canti's. I also really like the trademark double tt look but sadly I ride smaller size frames and will never be able to own one. On Sep 1, 5:43 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. The Sam is a little unusual in that it was caught in production issues just as it was ramping up, so there was undoubtedly some scrambling to keep the initial run going, thought IIRC there were posts from Grant talking about the changes as they were happening. I hope you don't think you have a lesser bike for the minor differences. Waterford frames aren't custom either, but like the Maxways are certainly above-average production quality. Both of those forks are nice to my eye, and both have that curve i like so much. I owned a Redwood for a few years; it had a 1-color paint job and plainer lugs than any of the Sams, and it rode as well as any Rambouillet i tried, no regrets. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 4:12 PM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I really don't know why Riv has to go and make multiple different versions of this bike. Yes, I know the only answer that matters is because Grant wants to but even HE has to expend lots of unnecessary energy explaining to people why one version is, allegedly, as good as the other. Just when he convinces people that Taiwan-made bikes are real Rivendells he goes and has them made by Waterford. He puts different forks and brakes on them, even different forks on the Maxway bikes- Alan at EcoVelo has a 60cm Maxway Sam with cantis and what will, now, forever hence be known as the nice fork; I have a 60cm Maxway Sam with sidepulls and what will forever hence be known as the crappy fork. Maybe I'm just not used to this way of doing business, being a Riv rookie... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Sorry, I was being intentionally melodramatic with the crappy comment! Poor choice of words. I have been exceedingly happy with my bike, my first Riv, and actually had the option of getting a Waterford frame at the time. I liked the sidepulls and single top tube, so I took the Maxway. No complaints. But, honestly, seeing the two forks side by side I can't see much of a difference in the proportions - obviously an untrained eye. The crown on the Maxway bike does look a bit simplified, maybe a bit chunkier. I guess as I get a little more familiar with how Riv works I'll see that the constant tinkering is a feature, not a bug! On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I dont think calling it a crappy fork is fair. I have a Bleriot (obviously Taiwanese) and I dont think there is a crappy thing about it. Riv had supply problems with taiwan and needed another builder. G goes into it in some detail on the site. Seems like a new builder would be a great time to try some things you've been thinking of tryin', like a double top tube and canti's-- especially if it is a temporary arrangement. I dont think it makes one bike better than the other, just a little different. It does stink that it makes you think less of your bike and I can certainly understand that-- but at the end of the day it is the same great bike it was when you bought it. Would I trade my Bleriot for a double- TT, waterford SH? In a second with no hesitation but that doesn't make me less happy with my bike. If it did I would sell it to fund the SH. The Saluki came with different brakes. So did the Rom. The Atlantis has changed some over the years. Some customs were made by Richard Sachs (drool!), Brakes change, braze ons change, kickstand plates get added, some bikes get a bonus TT, some get a diagon-apillar, some made by maxway, some by toyo, some by waterford-- but they are all Rivs and all great bikes. Cheers, cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
is a feature, not a bug! you must work with software. haha. We say that all the time at work. I think the Maxway crown is really cool. I just fell in love with the curly crown on mine which is also on the Waterford. The fatter lower fork blades are what I thought was chunky, but even when I said 'ick', I too was being melodramatic. Another bad choice of words. No insult intended. The Hillborne is a great bike in all it's versions. On Sep 1, 2:59 pm, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, I was being intentionally melodramatic with the crappy comment! Poor choice of words. I have been exceedingly happy with my bike, my first Riv, and actually had the option of getting a Waterford frame at the time. I liked the sidepulls and single top tube, so I took the Maxway. No complaints. But, honestly, seeing the two forks side by side I can't see much of a difference in the proportions - obviously an untrained eye. The crown on the Maxway bike does look a bit simplified, maybe a bit chunkier. I guess as I get a little more familiar with how Riv works I'll see that the constant tinkering is a feature, not a bug! On Sep 1, 5:33 pm, cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com wrote: I dont think calling it a crappy fork is fair. I have a Bleriot (obviously Taiwanese) and I dont think there is a crappy thing about it. Riv had supply problems with taiwan and needed another builder. G goes into it in some detail on the site. Seems like a new builder would be a great time to try some things you've been thinking of tryin', like a double top tube and canti's-- especially if it is a temporary arrangement. I dont think it makes one bike better than the other, just a little different. It does stink that it makes you think less of your bike and I can certainly understand that-- but at the end of the day it is the same great bike it was when you bought it. Would I trade my Bleriot for a double- TT, waterford SH? In a second with no hesitation but that doesn't make me less happy with my bike. If it did I would sell it to fund the SH. The Saluki came with different brakes. So did the Rom. The Atlantis has changed some over the years. Some customs were made by Richard Sachs (drool!), Brakes change, braze ons change, kickstand plates get added, some bikes get a bonus TT, some get a diagon-apillar, some made by maxway, some by toyo, some by waterford-- but they are all Rivs and all great bikes. Cheers, cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
I think this is the one that got documented on the site in-process. They said it was a Rambu, and they were deliberately increasing the clearances and saying that it would be a new fork. I can't find the picture/posting, but they had a photo with it still mainly Orange but back from having the 2TT fillet brazed in. On Sep 1, 3:35 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] WTT: Jack Brown Greens for wider tires
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:37 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Would like something 37 mm +; prefer something lightish and supple rather than armored and beefy -- don't know all that they make in those hugely fat sizes. A Pasela would be fine. There is a 37mm Pasela, if you can find it! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 16:43 -0500, Bill Connell wrote: It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. If you're thinking of the Centerpulluki and the Cantiluki versions of the Saluki, those were not running changes over time; the two versions were both available at the introduction of the model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/318/original_Peeking_post_July_3.pdf Here's the photo I was thinking of. Different frame I assume, but another big Rambu that got increased clearance and a new fork. This one got canti brakes. On Sep 1, 3:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is the one that got documented on the site in-process. They said it was a Rambu, and they were deliberately increasing the clearances and saying that it would be a new fork. I can't find the picture/posting, but they had a photo with it still mainly Orange but back from having the 2TT fillet brazed in. On Sep 1, 3:35 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Now that puts the weight in real terms. I defy anyone to tell the difference in how their bike performs with a full bottle or empty bottle, let alone partially full. Thanks for the info, Bryan. dougP On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
Well, I'm at 4 (or 3 1/2 since one is a folder). And to be quite honest, three are somewhat overlapping. Yes, I could maybe, possibly, get by with one bike (my Sam Hillborne). But then I'd feel guilty riding it through the slush/ice/snow of winter knowing the frame will probably rot in about 5 or 6 years due to inattentive maintenance. Right there, need a winter beater. Then riding a poorly maintained rail-trail a week or so ago on the Hillborne, realized that a bike that takes wider than 40s would be more appropriate for that task. Again, another bike. So, while something like a Hunqapillar could, in theory, work as an only, too many other variables intervene. Not the least of which is my history of collecting/hoarding stuff. Then again, while in college, did only have one bike. A Specialized Stumpjumper. So have done it. Just not positive I'd want to go that route again. BTW, I'm in the opposite camp on racing. Do have some interest in the pros, but no interest whatsoever in a gofast type of bike. My riding style is just entirely wrong for it. On Sep 1, 4:56 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm down to a nearly all-time low of 3 bikes. What i've figured out with the single bike notion is that, for me, the goal of having one bike isn't worth the hassle of changing that bike for different uses. I do switch my 'cross bike from commuter to racer and back once a year, but i get tired of swapping out wheels and bags and whatnot just for a weekend of dirt riding. Likewise, i rode many years on a MB4 and got tired of the way it handled on the road with slicks. I'm not a racer or extreme rider by any means, but i do enjoy tools that are reasonably well-suited to the job, and my riding is diverse enough that i have a hard time getting below 2-3 bikes. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
Am more interested in the fact the last 64 Rambo conversion was for PBH smaller than this one. At the time, I was thinking gee, at 6' and PBH of 88/89, that seems big. This one seems more reasonable. Or maybe I read it wrong. Still, the complete is a nice looking bike. I for one like the double top tube. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 1, 5:54 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/318/original_Peeking_post_July... Here's the photo I was thinking of. Different frame I assume, but another big Rambu that got increased clearance and a new fork. This one got canti brakes. On Sep 1, 3:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is the one that got documented on the site in-process. They said it was a Rambu, and they were deliberately increasing the clearances and saying that it would be a new fork. I can't find the picture/posting, but they had a photo with it still mainly Orange but back from having the 2TT fillet brazed in. On Sep 1, 3:35 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
My first run Hillborne has a different crown than either of those. Think it might have been the same as the Romulus. Otherwise, I do like the one on the Waterford made version. Then again, noticed that the Atlantis forks have changed over the years. While I do like the new ones, and have seen the Waterford made mode in person, wouldn't trade my first run. Kinda like being an early adopter of that bike. It's served me well so far. Will also have to agree, not totally sure I see the point in double top tubes on the 56. I find the bike plenty stiff enough. And this is with a 220 rider on it. (Down from 240 when the bike first arrived last year.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Sep 1, 5:51 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 16:43 -0500, Bill Connell wrote: It sometimes happens that a bike model will have changes over the run - the Romulus and Saluki are other examples where there was a change in brake type. If you're thinking of the Centerpulluki and the Cantiluki versions of the Saluki, those were not running changes over time; the two versions were both available at the introduction of the model. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I'm slower with an empty bottle because I'm looking around for someplace to fill up. Stands to reason! :-) Bob On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:34 PM, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Now that puts the weight in real terms. I defy anyone to tell the difference in how their bike performs with a full bottle or empty bottle, let alone partially full. Thanks for the info, Bryan. dougP On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos: http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
I think it's cool that these various iterations of the Hillborne are out there - keeps it interesting. Mine is a single top tube 60cm Maxway with cantis and the fork shown on the Waterford in Bryan's photos. It might be just a tad flexy for some people, but it feels just right under my 160 lb. I'd love to ride both of Bryan's frames built up with identical components; what a education that would be! a...@ecovelo On Sep 1, 11:04 am, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
Beautiful pictures of two beautiful frames Bryan...thank you. Two or one...I'll take one thanks. Angus On Sep 1, 1:04 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles renaissancebicyc...@gmail.com wrote: In the Shop we happen to have two 56cm Hillbornes. One is the Taiwanese made Maxway, the other is the Waterford version from WI. Of course, we couldn't help but take photos:http://www.renaissancebicycles.com/gallery/?album=7gallery=66 Obviously, the double toptuber is the Waterford version. It also includes braze-ons for cantilever brakes, and a rear bridge for the cable stop. The fork crowns are different. Because I know people will ask ... the weight difference between the frames is 8 ounces. For perspective, that is about the difference between a full water bottle and one that is 3/4 full. Both bikes are in our build queue; we'll post pictures when they are complete. Now, let the debate begin ... Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Another tall Renovelo (complete bike)
the rear brake bridge can be raised, but the fork is what it is unless you increase the rake, and Grant is not likely to do that. If the brake reach were increased otherwise the wheel would have to be smaller or the head tube and angle would be rotaiting about the rear axel. THat being said, better pictures of these frames would be nice for all of us armchair quarterbacks Rob On Sep 1, 3:48 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is the one that got documented on the site in-process. They said it was a Rambu, and they were deliberately increasing the clearances and saying that it would be a new fork. I can't find the picture/posting, but they had a photo with it still mainly Orange but back from having the 2TT fillet brazed in. On Sep 1, 3:35 pm, rperks perks@gmail.com wrote: that, and the fact that the dia-compe brakes they sell have a minimum reach of 63mm? these must be the new ones VO is selling or the bike is a 650b conversion? so much to speculate on and so little time. Rob On Sep 1, 2:49 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: Another one of those darn double top tube monstrosities! One question, it has the Dia Compe centerpulls and 700x37 Paselas's, my new-to-me Ram has Shimano caliper brakes and I had to deflate the Jack Browns to install it. How much more clearance do the centerpulls have? Could I install my tire w/o deflating? ~Mike~ On Sep 1, 12:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: There's a 64cm former Ram up now. Complete bike for less than the price of a Roadeo frameset.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: 1 Toptube or 2 -- Comparing the Two Versions of the Hillborne
One more variable: I have a single top tube - 60cm - orange - Waterford with the 3 dot fork...but my three dots didn't get the offset color, they were painted orange. I think this was a very early Waterford with a painting error. Any others out there like this? Oh well. Joel On Sep 1, 8:44 pm, Angus angusle...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Beautiful pictures of two beautiful frames Bryan...thank you. Two or one...I'll take one thanks. Angus On Sep 1, 1:04 pm, Bryan @ Renaissance Bicycles - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of versatility
The Powers that Be have just cut the statutory minimum number of bicycles from five to four: gofast; gofast commuter (just first gofast but with fenders, lights, rack); beater that is as close to the second gofast as possible but much cheaper so that you actually enjoy riding it to Costco or Albertsons but, if it were stolen, you would week only briefly. Next, off road bike; and, I had added tourer. But I am hoping that the Fargo will coalesce the last two into a unity with two separate wheelsets. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:45 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Well, I'm at 4 (or 3 1/2 since one is a folder). And to be quite honest, three are somewhat overlapping. Yes, I could maybe, possibly, get by with one bike (my Sam Hillborne). But then I'd feel guilty riding it through the slush/ice/snow of winter knowing the frame will probably rot in about 5 or 6 years due to inattentive maintenance. Right there, need a winter beater. Then riding a poorly maintained rail-trail a week or so ago on the Hillborne, realized that a bike that takes wider than 40s would be more appropriate for that task. Again, another bike. So, while something like a Hunqapillar could, in theory, work as an only, too many other variables intervene. Not the least of which is my history of collecting/hoarding stuff. Then again, while in college, did only have one bike. A Specialized Stumpjumper. So have done it. Just not positive I'd want to go that route again. BTW, I'm in the opposite camp on racing. Do have some interest in the pros, but no interest whatsoever in a gofast type of bike. My riding style is just entirely wrong for it. On Sep 1, 4:56 pm, Bill Connell bconn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm down to a nearly all-time low of 3 bikes. What i've figured out with the single bike notion is that, for me, the goal of having one bike isn't worth the hassle of changing that bike for different uses. I do switch my 'cross bike from commuter to racer and back once a year, but i get tired of swapping out wheels and bags and whatnot just for a weekend of dirt riding. Likewise, i rode many years on a MB4 and got tired of the way it handled on the road with slicks. I'm not a racer or extreme rider by any means, but i do enjoy tools that are reasonably well-suited to the job, and my riding is diverse enough that i have a hard time getting below 2-3 bikes. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:26 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Define enough. On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: ...but can one bike do enough? -- Bill Connell St. Paul, MN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] FS/FT: Nitto Technomic Deluxe 12cm - great condition.
I have a 12cm Nitto Technomic Deluxe quill stem that I would like to trade or sell. Now that I have a big frame, I don't need this much reach. I'm using a dirt drop now, but I know I will switch bars at some point - it is part of the fun. So, if you have a Technomic Deluxe in 7cm or 8cm (my guess as to what I would need) - I'll gladly trade you for this one. Otherwise, I'l sell it for $40. It is in very nice condition - used on a bike that was never ridden much at all (anyone want a 55.5cm Sycip steel road frame?) - so it is like new. I promise you won't be disappointed unless you just admire your bike and not ride it ;) -adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
