Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
The thing I like best about Taube's books are that they make me think and look at food in a different way. Dave Nawrocki Fort Collins, CO - Original Message - From: Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 6, 2011 5:20:40 PM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post Well, I just finished reading Taube's book on my iPad. I'm traveling for business and didn't want to wait. I have to say that even though I was familiar with the concepts, his clear evidence based presentation of the topic has left an indelible impression. No more second guessing or partially trying to do something that doesn't quite make a lasting change, as well as gaining the complete understanding of what has been happening with me since I first learned about carbohydrate addiction in 2002 after many previous failed attempts. I just got started on this approach with no dabbling or excuses. 20 net grams of carbs per day and all animal meats and fats. I was already gluten free since June and lost about 20 lbs but had plateaud since August due to all the gluten free carbs I was eating. Now the path is fully clear and my paradigm on the subject has been fully reshapen. What more can I say but thank Grant for bringing this up to my attention with his post? Thanks Grant!!! I'll still be purchasing a few books when you have them in stock to give to family and friends as gifts of life. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 6, 2011, at 3:02 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: if you are doing long workouts you should have some carbs.. low carb diets work because they keep the glycogen reserves in the liver/muscles fairly low, and that kicks the body over into a ketone pathway (gluconeogenesis) metabolism from a glycogen pathway (glycogenolysis) metabolism. so you can (and should) have carbs if you are actively burning them with high work output, essentially. to combine heavy or long workouts with low-carb simply requires you to plan carb intake (above 20g at once, or above 60g per day) only on days when you are actually burning through them. in fact, doing high-carb/workout days interspersed with very low carb days (2-4 at a time) is an old-skool way of stripping off body fat very quickly, called things like macronutrient cycling, carb refeeding, etc. best, andrew On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:37 AM, reynoldslugs wrote: Friends: I have gone back and forth with low carbohydrate diets, and they work ok for me, but for one significant problem: How can one possibly do long rides on a low carbohydrate regimen? Here is my query to the group: I cannot figure out how to do a long ride - - say, anything more than 3 hours, or certainly something in the 8 - 10 hour range - - without consuming lots of carbohydrates. How do those of you that ascribe to this nutritional plan get through multi-hour rides? RL -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy
I'm well over 200# but find that the 26mm GB's ride as well as anything else. Inflated to rec max press they work even when hitting the surprise pothole-never a pinch flat. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:56 PM, RoadieRyan ryansub...@gmail.com wrote: I can only speak to the Pasela's but I am running 700x35c wire beads with Tour Guard and I love them. I have run them at 85 psi and at less than 60 and they run fine either way. I ride on alot of rough pavement in West Seattle and into downtown and they really smooth things out. I too found a great deal just be sure that you look carefully to see if you are getting a version with Tour Guard (ie their flat protection kevlar) or no Tour Guard. I also love the skinwall look and Pasela's give you that option or just plain black Ryan On Jan 6, 7:40 am, bicitourist ejro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride. I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there! I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year! From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to: Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do) Pasela Wire bead GB Cypres Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy
For me when it comes to tires, it's like visiting my favorite restaurant and always ordering the same dish... So even though I always vow to try something different, at the last minute I always go with the sure thing... Schwalbe Big Apple 2.0s... I just ordered 2 new sets for project bikes...(I also have the 2.35s, which for toolin' around on/off road they're such a blast, but have settled in on the 2.0s as my new faves)... But I will have to try out the Kojak 2.0s (maybe to go with my Kojak bike siren... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow) Peace, BB On Jan 6, 6:08 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I *think* I ran kevlar bead tires at that time, but I'm fairly sure the tires were all Tour Guard. --Eric N On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: Eric- In the pics, the folded tire on your rear rack is obviously kevlar bead - are the tires on the bike wire bead or kevlar? It seems from what I have found that all kevlar Paselas are TourGuard, but wire bead Paselas can be TG or non-TG. Just curious which you were riding. Thanks, Pete On Jan 6, 12:38 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Scroll down a bit and you can see my Quickbeam (with Paselas) in some photos taken at the check-in before the start of PBP: http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/articles/p-b-p/0xa12a94c.htm --Eric N On Jan 6, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Peter Pesce petepe...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad bictourist asked this question, because I was considering the exact same thing. Last thing I'd want on a century or brevet is to be fixing flats all time but reading about all these magical tires I thought I was riding real dogs with my Paselas, Hearing that Eric did PBP on them I feel much better! -Pete On Jan 6, 12:03 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: I'll also weigh in for the Paselas. I've used them for many epic rides, including PBP '07 (no flats in 765 miles). I've seen the 700x32 size for sale as low as $8 (annual sale at the UC Davis Bike Barn last year). --Eric N On Jan 6, 2011, at 7:40 AM, bicitourist ejro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, The time has come to get some tires for my new ride. I've been running a loaned pair of Schwable Marathon 700x32 @ 80-85psi from my commuter. I've been running these for a couple of years now with no problems but I wanted something more supple. New bike = New tires right? I know I'm giving up some puncture resistance for comfort, but I'm sure there is a sweet spot out there! I tried some continental gatorskins 700x28 (but they were too skinny and made my bike feel unstable maybe it was all those miles on the 32s?). I'm looking for an all-round tire, but most of my miles are on pavement (I'd say 80%). I'm also planning on my first 200K and 300K this year! From my research it looks like I've narrowed it down to: Jack Brown Blue's (I'm 6 ft 215lb so i don't think Greens will do) Pasela Wire bead GB Cypres Thanks in advance for the advice! --Eduardo -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800, Christian wrote: I have direct experience. While my B-17 was very comfortable it did not last. I wore it out in about 4500 miles--it started sagging to one side and became asymmetrical. So, it was really comfortable until it wasn't. I have heard from many others--check out the discussions on the ibob list--that this is not uncommon. Of course, you might buy one and have it last for 50,000 miles. I have several B.17s, none new, with mileage in excess of 10,000 miles and no asymmetric sagging. Although some of these saddles were purchased after the acquisition of Brooks, I believe they were all made prior to that. I'm not sure how common the problem is, but I've not seen it in person, either on my saddles or other people's. I got a full refund as it was under warranty--it was only a year old-- and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle from Mike Kone at Rene Herse in Boulder. It's much harder initially than the B17; the leather is, by my imprecise calculations, at least twice as thick; I recently got a Berthoud Touring and I agree, the leather seems to be at least twice as thick as a B.l7. I haven't ridden mine yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an awful lot. Bobby more B17s than Imelda Marcos has shoes Birmingham On Jan 7, 9:32 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:24 -0800, Christian wrote: I have direct experience. While my B-17 was very comfortable it did not last. I wore it out in about 4500 miles--it started sagging to one side and became asymmetrical. So, it was really comfortable until it wasn't. I have heard from many others--check out the discussions on the ibob list--that this is not uncommon. Of course, you might buy one and have it last for 50,000 miles. I have several B.17s, none new, with mileage in excess of 10,000 miles and no asymmetric sagging. Although some of these saddles were purchased after the acquisition of Brooks, I believe they were all made prior to that. I'm not sure how common the problem is, but I've not seen it in person, either on my saddles or other people's. I got a full refund as it was under warranty--it was only a year old-- and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle from Mike Kone at Rene Herse in Boulder. It's much harder initially than the B17; the leather is, by my imprecise calculations, at least twice as thick; I recently got a Berthoud Touring and I agree, the leather seems to be at least twice as thick as a B.l7. I haven't ridden mine yet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 06:46 -0800, Montclair BobbyB wrote: Few things in life bring a smile to my face like a good discussion about the B17... 100+ year-old design, millions of miles... says an awful lot. There's all sorts of evolution that's happened in the past 100 years, but asses haven't changed at all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
Cold and windy, especially north of Albuquerque; I'd guess that you want to tour the north central part of the state, Santa Fe, Taos, Espanola, Chama, and they are all considerably higher than ABQ's 5K feet. I'd not spring this on her suddenly! My own choice would be May and June or perhaps September. Mid summer isn't too hot at those elevations, but the monsoon comes in July and August. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados! It's not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way. (And, yes, I did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state). The average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27. I guess that's balmy compared to Vermont! Good luck getting your wife on board! Jim Cloud On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados. As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC. I realized that what I really waned to do was go back to NM. I've been there twice - Albuquerque north - and never with a bike. So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame. I would welcome some feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there. Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc. Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
I've skiied at the resort near Los Alamos. Yes it is cold up there. In fact, I cruised through that region on a motorcycle a few years ago in the month of June. I left Los Alamos (I have family who live there) earlyish, about 0700. Nearly froze to death that morning it was so cold. However, it is some of the most stunningly beautiful country in all of the west. One of my favorite states. From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 6:58:34 AM Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico Cold and windy, especially north of Albuquerque; I'd guess that you want to tour the north central part of the state, Santa Fe, Taos, Espanola, Chama, and they are all considerably higher than ABQ's 5K feet. I'd not spring this on her suddenly! My own choice would be May and June or perhaps September. Mid summer isn't too hot at those elevations, but the monsoon comes in July and August. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados! It's not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way. (And, yes, I did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state). The average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27. I guess that's balmy compared to Vermont! Good luck getting your wife on board! Jim Cloud On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados. As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC. I realized that what I really waned to do was go back to NM. I've been there twice - Albuquerque north - and never with a bike. So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame. I would welcome some feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there. Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc. Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
I'm in. 6'6, 99 PBH, 202cm wingspan. Hrm, I know this is an old run down pun fellas, but the RBW Basketball Team would be a lot of fun - I wonder how many people on the list are hoopers, and how BOBish translates over onto the basketball court. I could, provided we locate a backboard and rim, bring a ball to the Riv East Rally. I'll bring it anyway ... The finger spinning attempts would make a fun film for all of us to enjoy :) On Jan 7, 8:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I could never get comfortable on a B-17 or any of the Fizik saddles so tried the Berthoud more out of desperation than anything. Right out of the box I had an opportunity to do an ~500 mile trip. No discomfort at all. As for appearance, I prefer Berthoud to the Brooks. The Berthoud shape is less pronounced. In my opinion, Brooks has a very strong silhouette that pulls the eye away from the lines of the bicycles. No problem, obviously, if you like the Brooks shape. I am not as enamored as some other riders . Some of the comments to the linked review mention Ideale saddles. I collected Ideale over the years. I have since sold most but still have two in the display case. They are lovely pieces of history. Certainly an Ideale will match well with a correct restoration. Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. On Jan 6, 11:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. Thanks, René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
6'6 tall 230 64cm Atlantis 65cm Redwood 68cm Redwood 67cm AHH 64cm Sam 62cm Hunqa (on the way) And way too many others (non-Riv). Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms . . .. It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced by the diets they embrace. Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.: Medium please Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning to do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) René On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
I would buy a 68 Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:27 PM, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: So now that we have the attention of all the tall fellas, who wants in on a SimpleOne? I'd like a 68 frame. As long as we get to the magic number (10 I think?) they'll run a series for the giants. On Jan 6, 6:30 am, David Klatte flopmeis...@gmail.com wrote: Whoa, really? I am the same height or I might be a touch taller (6'7 everyday), with a pbh of 100, but my fingertip to fingertip is over 200cm. Did you mean 202? You must have. David (71 AHH) On Jan 5, 1:40 pm, AmiSingh asd...@gmail.com wrote: It's a 69! How tall are you Pat? What's your PBH? How about length, arm-to-arm? I'm 6'7 on a good day, and my PBH hovers at98-99-100, depending on how hard I pull up. Across my back, fingertip to fingertip is 102cm. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Tires.... what to buy
I have Pasela Tour Guards (not folding) in 35s and they are great. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
Actually that's the part of the state that I have toured on two occasions for about a month in total. I was thinking about coming across the south - hitting New Orleans San Antonio before landing in Big Bend, then on to Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, before heading back north. michael On Jan 7, 9:58 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Cold and windy, especially north of Albuquerque; I'd guess that you want to tour the north central part of the state, Santa Fe, Taos, Espanola, Chama, and they are all considerably higher than ABQ's 5K feet. I'd not spring this on her suddenly! My own choice would be May and June or perhaps September. Mid summer isn't too hot at those elevations, but the monsoon comes in July and August. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados! It's not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way. (And, yes, I did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state). The average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27. I guess that's balmy compared to Vermont! Good luck getting your wife on board! Jim Cloud On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados. As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC. I realized that what I really waned to do was go back to NM. I've been there twice - Albuquerque north - and never with a bike. So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame. I would welcome some feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there. Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc. Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Hwy 2 in Montana
Do any of you good folks know anything about Montana Hwy 2? It runs east/west through northern Montana and into (from?) Dakota. Mainly interested in traffic situations, availability of services. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: AHH Gets A New Old Crank Set, Old Rear Derailleur - Feels Fantastic !
I would be put out on the street if I were to even discuss a Simpleone at this point. Especially being that there is a Casseroll frame and fork hanging in my garage. By the way, I got the UPS email that my Hilsen is officially en route. This part of the wait I consider just about unbearable! I can put the 8-10 weeks construction time out of my head, but once I get the shipment email, I'm counting the minutes! Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hwy 2 in Montana
I have traveled it's entire length by m/c. Long desolate stretches in the east and real windy. I did see quite a few bicyclists however. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 09:53:46 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Hwy 2 in Montana Do any of you good folks know anything about Montana Hwy 2? It runs east/west through northern Montana and into (from?) Dakota. Mainly interested in traffic situations, availability of services. Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Joel and Clayton: I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Thanks, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Rene, I have been outlining a writeup myself on this subject, looks like Lovelybike beat me too it. I think you and I are in a similar size class, 6'2 220 lb, so some of my thoughts may carry over. I bought my Berthoud well over a year ago and have moved it around on different bikes. My other basis of comparison are the B17 on all my other bikes, I am too embarrassed to count at the moment. Out of the box the Berthoud was perfect, thicker leather but more comfortable. As I rotated the saddles around, the Berthoud has eneded up on whichever bike is getting the most milage at the moment. By this point I have put a few thousand miles on it and it is starting to take the shape of my arse. http://oceanaircycles.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/1.5coast-2.jpg I like the narrowness in the front with the suport in the rear. It hits my sit bones in the same way as the B17, but the narrow nose has more thigh room. Only downside so far was pulling all the screws to add some locktite Bottom line for me, this is my favorite saddle on bike where the bars are at or below the saddle. If I have the bars up high or albatross bars I still like the Brooks more. Rob - http://oceanaircycles.com/ On Jan 6, 9:40 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone provide how the Berthoud Touring Saddles would compare to a B17 saddle? I own B17 saddles but have never ridden a Berthoud one. Thanks, René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Hwy 2 in Montana
It's on the Adventure Cycling Northern Tier. Great road, not very much traffic. Because of the prevailing wind, I recommend riding west to east. There are enough services, though not an enormous amount. I recommend buying the Adventure Cycling map to see where the services are. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do any of you good folks know anything about Montana Hwy 2? It runs east/west through northern Montana and into (from?) Dakota. Mainly interested in traffic situations, availability of services. Thanks. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Yes, just mount and tighten clamp. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:10 AM, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Joel and Clayton: I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Thanks, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com rbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%252bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Hwy 2 in Montana
I had a ball riding that road because I camped in the small town parks and met a ton of great folks. Road is fine. Wind is wind. S. On Jan 7, 12:13 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: It's on the Adventure Cycling Northern Tier. Great road, not very much traffic. Because of the prevailing wind, I recommend riding west to east. There are enough services, though not an enormous amount. I recommend buying the Adventure Cycling map to see where the services are. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Ray r.sh...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do any of you good folks know anything about Montana Hwy 2? It runs east/west through northern Montana and into (from?) Dakota. Mainly interested in traffic situations, availability of services. Thanks. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
A customer came in the shop a few months back with a Berthoud on his Surly LHT. I aked if I could try the saddle out and he let me take his bike around the block a few times. The saddle -- which ahd about 300 miles on it by then -- was a bit flat for my liking, and a tad narrower than the B-17. Still, it wasn't too bad and I imagined it might break in at least a little over time. I stopped using the B-17 on my bikes with upright bars last year, switching over to the sprung Flyer (basically a B-17 with coil springs). Both Flyers are holding up beautifully, with 2,000 and 800 miles on them, respectively. The Flyer has become my personal favorite. One thing about the Berthoud is I like the look of the different rivets, and the finish of the leather is beautiful. Am I big on All That Plastic? Not really; but when you're sitting on a saddle the first thing you should care about is comfort anyway. Beth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New News Post
On Jan 7, 8:51 am, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. Cooking more of what you eat at home is HUGE. Cooking at home with someone you love is even better, if you can swing it. When Sweetie and I cook together, we eat better than when I find I must grab something on the fly. Tonight's dinner: Buuternut Squash soup with roasted vegetables on the side (including parsnips and carrots from our yard). Yum. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Lee: The rails may be more narrow. One Berthoud is mounted on a CLB post. I do not remember much of an issue mounting on that one. The other CLB is on a Thomson Masterpiece (I know - have heard it before - seat post and saddle cost more than many an entire bike!). The TM is very precisely engineered. It took some finagaling to get the Berthoud atop it. To Beth's point - definitely more flat than the B-17. If you like the B-17 this may be Berthoud deal killer. For me, it appears to be a plus. As everyone's body and ride style are unique it is good to have options. On Jan 7, 12:10 pm, Lee leec...@gmail.com wrote: Joel and Clayton: I noticed that the rails appear a bit narrower on the Berthoud Aspin than on a B-17. Did you have to force the rails out a little to get it to fit your seatpost clamp? What seatposts have you tried with the Apsin? Thanks, Lee San Francisco, CA On Jan 7, 9:42 am, Clayton Scott clayton...@gmail.com wrote: I have been using b.17s for while, but got frustrated when I burnt through my last one in 7 months and went ahead and purchased a Berthoud touring saddle. I have only been using it for 2 months now but so far so good. It is a little narrower than a b.17 but not in a bad way. Still has enough room accommodate my sitbones. The shape seems perfect for me. The craftsmanship is stunning compared to Brooks. Compared to the now incredibly saggy brooks it does feel a lot firmer. I did ride a 200k permanent within a few weeks of owning it and toward the end I did have to ride out of the saddle occasionally to give my slightly protesting sitbones some relief. It was not agonizing and only started setting in during the last few miles but was noticeable and distracting nevertheless. (Still significantly better than having the metal frame of the b.17 dig into me though.). So far the Berthoud is perfect for up to a 100 miles and I expect it to get even more comfortable as the saddle and I get more used to eachother. I purchased mine from Rene Herse Bicycles who lets you try the saddle for 60 days and return it if you don't like it. I suggest you give it try. Best, Clayton Scott SF, CA On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:29 AM, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. My favorite Ideales are the 4 and 6 (the lightly sprung city saddles). I think the aluminum frame Ideale used made for a more comfortable spring base than the heavier Brooks. Unfortunately, the leather is somewhat thin on them and they tend to need frequent tightening. Wonder if Berthoud will ever try and copy that model? On Jan 7, 10:29 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2011-01-07 at 08:12 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote: Unless you have an Ideale that has been well maintained - or stored in optimal conditions - it is not going to be as comfortable, work as well, or last as long as a modern Brooks or Berthoud. I had an Ideale when it was new and it wasn't as comfortable and didn't work as well as a B.17. It was one of those with the integral wide aluminum rails and the built-in micro-adjusting clamp. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscrib...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fwd: [DBC] North Face Cycling mens shoe tester(s)
Sounds like something folks on this list might be interested in ... if you wear size 9 shoes. --Eric N Begin forwarded message: From: Lorne Sachs lasa...@ucdavis.edu Date: January 7, 2011 10:19:06 AM PST To: Davis Bike Club d...@dbclist.org Subject: [DBC] North Face Cycling mens shoe tester(s) Hi All, I received an email from an old classmate of mine who currently is working for North Face. They are introducing a line of cycling shoes and are looking for some people to test them out. I copied the pertinent part of her email below. If you are interested please contact Michelle directly. Regards, Lorne I am emailing because we will have some bike shoes coming in soon that will need testing. There is no clip, but there is a different material there that is supposed to prevent slippage. The catch is that the sizes will only be sample size, which means Men's size 9. . . If you are size 9 shoe and interested in trying them out and giving me some feedback we can move forward. . . If you are not size 9, but know someone in your cycling community who is, I would greatly appreciate you passing this information along (actually, either way you can pass it on, I think we will have about 5 pair). -- Michelle Maehler, M.S. michellemaeh...@gmail.com ___ DBC mailing list d...@dbclist.org http://dbclist.org/mailman/listinfo/dbc -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
Michael, Just as another tour to consider, Southeast Arizona in late February to March is just about perfect for weather. Vermont Bicycle Tours, which I'm sure you're familiar with, has a tour itinerary for one of their supported tours that could fairly easily be cannibalized for a self-supported tour. Here's a link to the VBT description of their tour: http://www.vbt.com/tours/Arizona-Sonoran-Splendor-2011-itinerary_397.aspx#tab1 There are a number of decent and relatively inexpensive Bed Breakfast accommodations in Bisbee (home of the great Bisbee Bicycle Brothel - http://www.bisbeebicyclebrothel.com/ ), as well as in the Sonoita, Patagonia and Tubac areas. The tour possibilities in this area are pretty unlimited. If you prefer camping, you can certainly find some suitable locations (e.g. Chiricahua National Monument in the Chircahua Mtns., Cochise Stronghold in the Dragoon Mtns., numerous possibilities in the area around Patagonia). Just another possibility to think about. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jan 7, 10:43 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Actually that's the part of the state that I have toured on two occasions for about a month in total. I was thinking about coming across the south - hitting New Orleans San Antonio before landing in Big Bend, then on to Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, before heading back north. michael On Jan 7, 9:58 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Cold and windy, especially north of Albuquerque; I'd guess that you want to tour the north central part of the state, Santa Fe, Taos, Espanola, Chama, and they are all considerably higher than ABQ's 5K feet. I'd not spring this on her suddenly! My own choice would be May and June or perhaps September. Mid summer isn't too hot at those elevations, but the monsoon comes in July and August. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados! It's not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way. (And, yes, I did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state). The average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27. I guess that's balmy compared to Vermont! Good luck getting your wife on board! Jim Cloud On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados. As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC. I realized that what I really waned to do was go back to NM. I've been there twice - Albuquerque north - and never with a bike. So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame. I would welcome some feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there. Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc. Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if you buy thier saddle bags too. I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles now. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if you buy thier saddle bags too. I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles now. wallbike.com 6month unconditional return guarantee. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
As a new owner and new to this style of riding. This style of riding being larger tires, more upright position, more comfort oriented. My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. I notice that even with Custom builds that Tire Clearance is less than. Full tour bikes that will only run 700x35 with fenders. I have two.. a FUJI Tour and a Giant OCR Tour. This is my Giant http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5179941844/in/set-72157625210417815/ It's my uninformed opinion that the lower bottom bracket appears to be unique or rare compared.. does this cotribute to the ride. I notice my Riv's feel quicker (even if they aren't) than my other bikes of similar weight. I seem to have a more comfortable ride which I attribute to the steal and fit etc. So even though I read that LHT's are great and we can use this or that I haven't found that to be true. My Giant OCR has been a good friend on tours, but it doesn't have the same feel as my Bombadil. (I do admit to liking and missing my disc brakes= only when stopping-minor detail) Anyway right or wrong I've found myself looking at bikes and seeing that it's not just steel or a leather saddle or bags that is Riv'ish .. it's not some cult of practicality even. But as a package of geometry (I am dumber than box of rocks on that subject) size and style combined that make the rivendell bike. If I got the same ride quality and handling and feel from an LHT or a Gunner at 500 bucks I'ld go there, but I don't .. this could be because I'm 6'5 tall or it could be I'm delusional. What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to those that just see a steel antique looking bke? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rebates!
And now they are available to spend! On Jan 6, 6:34 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea... you are truly wise... thx On Jan 6, 1:15 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Seth's onto something. The first thing I do with my rebate is to buy membership for another year. An altruistic move would be to donate the rest (or at least a portion) to Smiletrain! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jan 5, 8:22 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: You can call and check but buying a frame used to get you an automatic membership. On Jan 5, 4:58 pm, Z ztahr...@gmail.com wrote: I had no idea, and purchased separate a membership shortly after buying a frame... Will I get a 5% rebate on said frame, too? Fingers crossed. On Jan 3, 2:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of the week. What have you been living without that you no longer will be able to live without once your rebate is in? For those who don't know. Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members. Members pay $20 a year to be members. You get a free year if you buy a frame or a bike. I use this to justify buying at least one frame per year :). I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get a rebate?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] free: Cateye bike light
I have a light that Rivendell used to sell. Four AA battery, LED. Not so bright compared to modern lights, but the price is right. I have four mounts for it so you can move it between bikes. It fell and the end cap got lost/internals knocked loose. Kind of a pain to put batteries in, but once they're in it works 100% fine. $5 to cover shipping and it's yours. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333598581/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/5333599083/ -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
The magician never shares his secrets its a mystery that should never be put into exact words or it will be diluted. I think in the industry they call it brand mystique it is what I love about Rivendell. On Jan 7, 12:06 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: As a new owner and new to this style of riding. This style of riding being larger tires, more upright position, more comfort oriented. My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. I notice that even with Custom builds that Tire Clearance is less than. Full tour bikes that will only run 700x35 with fenders. I have two.. a FUJI Tour and a Giant OCR Tour. This is my Giant http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5179941844/in/set-721576252104... It's my uninformed opinion that the lower bottom bracket appears to be unique or rare compared.. does this cotribute to the ride. I notice my Riv's feel quicker (even if they aren't) than my other bikes of similar weight. I seem to have a more comfortable ride which I attribute to the steal and fit etc. So even though I read that LHT's are great and we can use this or that I haven't found that to be true. My Giant OCR has been a good friend on tours, but it doesn't have the same feel as my Bombadil. (I do admit to liking and missing my disc brakes= only when stopping-minor detail) Anyway right or wrong I've found myself looking at bikes and seeing that it's not just steel or a leather saddle or bags that is Riv'ish .. it's not some cult of practicality even. But as a package of geometry (I am dumber than box of rocks on that subject) size and style combined that make the rivendell bike. If I got the same ride quality and handling and feel from an LHT or a Gunner at 500 bucks I'ld go there, but I don't .. this could be because I'm 6'5 tall or it could be I'm delusional. What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to those that just see a steel antique looking bke? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Come on!! Where are all my fellow bean-poles? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
Thanks for the suggestions Jim. I have a great time camping and hiking outside of Tucson. We stayed at a state park but I can't remember the name of it now. I don't think I want to drive to Arizona on this trip, but i do want to look at all these links. michael On Jan 7, 2:38 pm, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Michael, Just as another tour to consider, Southeast Arizona in late February to March is just about perfect for weather. Vermont Bicycle Tours, which I'm sure you're familiar with, has a tour itinerary for one of their supported tours that could fairly easily be cannibalized for a self-supported tour. Here's a link to the VBT description of their tour: http://www.vbt.com/tours/Arizona-Sonoran-Splendor-2011-itinerary_397 There are a number of decent and relatively inexpensive Bed Breakfast accommodations in Bisbee (home of the great Bisbee Bicycle Brothel -http://www.bisbeebicyclebrothel.com/), as well as in the Sonoita, Patagonia and Tubac areas. The tour possibilities in this area are pretty unlimited. If you prefer camping, you can certainly find some suitable locations (e.g. Chiricahua National Monument in the Chircahua Mtns., Cochise Stronghold in the Dragoon Mtns., numerous possibilities in the area around Patagonia). Just another possibility to think about. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Jan 7, 10:43 am, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Actually that's the part of the state that I have toured on two occasions for about a month in total. I was thinking about coming across the south - hitting New Orleans San Antonio before landing in Big Bend, then on to Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, before heading back north. michael On Jan 7, 9:58 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Cold and windy, especially north of Albuquerque; I'd guess that you want to tour the north central part of the state, Santa Fe, Taos, Espanola, Chama, and they are all considerably higher than ABQ's 5K feet. I'd not spring this on her suddenly! My own choice would be May and June or perhaps September. Mid summer isn't too hot at those elevations, but the monsoon comes in July and August. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Jim Cloud cloud...@aol.com wrote: Somehow, a bicycle camping trip to NM in the mid Feb. to March time frame doesn't sound like quite the trip compared to Barbados! It's not particularly warm at that time of year, by the way. (And, yes, I did live in New Mexico for many years, it's my home state). The average high and low temperatures in Albuquerque in Feb. - 53/27. I guess that's balmy compared to Vermont! Good luck getting your wife on board! Jim Cloud On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I just double crossed my wife by backing out of a trip to Barbados. As I was about to order the tickets, I couldn't make my finger go down and hit the button that put $900 for airfare on my CC. I realized that what I really waned to do was go back to NM. I've been there twice - Albuquerque north - and never with a bike. So I'm trying to talk her into a road trip, camping, riding, visiting in the mid Feb. to mid March time frame. I would welcome some feedback from people either in the area or who have ridden there. Weather, road conditions, camp sites, etc. Thanks, michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: What Makes the Rivendell
What makes a Rivendell? Why the craftsmanship of the Elves and Dwarves of Middle Earth (who in a secret pact have shared their legendary weapon-making technology for greater purpose)... I mean duh... I thought that was obvious... (Kelly, I wish I knew, but I certainly agree... nothing rides like my Riv nothing) Peace, BB On Jan 7, 4:45 pm, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: The magician never shares his secrets its a mystery that should never be put into exact words or it will be diluted. I think in the industry they call it brand mystique it is what I love about Rivendell. On Jan 7, 12:06 pm, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: As a new owner and new to this style of riding. This style of riding being larger tires, more upright position, more comfort oriented. My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. I notice that even with Custom builds that Tire Clearance is less than. Full tour bikes that will only run 700x35 with fenders. I have two.. a FUJI Tour and a Giant OCR Tour. This is my Giant http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/5179941844/in/set-721576252104... It's my uninformed opinion that the lower bottom bracket appears to be unique or rare compared.. does this cotribute to the ride. I notice my Riv's feel quicker (even if they aren't) than my other bikes of similar weight. I seem to have a more comfortable ride which I attribute to the steal and fit etc. So even though I read that LHT's are great and we can use this or that I haven't found that to be true. My Giant OCR has been a good friend on tours, but it doesn't have the same feel as my Bombadil. (I do admit to liking and missing my disc brakes= only when stopping-minor detail) Anyway right or wrong I've found myself looking at bikes and seeing that it's not just steel or a leather saddle or bags that is Riv'ish .. it's not some cult of practicality even. But as a package of geometry (I am dumber than box of rocks on that subject) size and style combined that make the rivendell bike. If I got the same ride quality and handling and feel from an LHT or a Gunner at 500 bucks I'ld go there, but I don't .. this could be because I'm 6'5 tall or it could be I'm delusional. What makes the Rivendell Different.. how does one explain that difference to those that just see a steel antique looking bke? Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Shimmy, according to BQ
Doug I am arriving at that conclusion and towards that end I'm also prepared to rule out one compelling variable. My experiments suggest that the compliance (flexibility) of the rear rack itself is NOT a significant contributor to shimmy on my Hillborne. The experiment was that I swapped rear racks between the Hillborne and the Bombadil. The Nitto R-14 was the original Hillborne rack and we speculated whether that minimalist rack could be flexing at a resonant frequency that matched the front end of the bike and resulted in shimmy. My Burley brand cromoly rack is WAY stiffer, and with a similar load, the Hillborne shimmies exactly like it did with the R-14. In a related experiment, the Bombadil shimmies with a similar load on it, also with both racks. The shimmy on the Bombadil differs in frequency(higher) and amplitude(smaller), but it does it. That's excellent progress, I think. Next step I'll try to fix a shimmy state by adding weight in the front and leaving the weight in the back constant. On Dec 22 2010, 6:54 pm, doug peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: I've run similar loading experiments on my Atlantis. The unloaded set- up is a Nitto small front rack with Acorn Box Rando bag which I often load up to 6-8 lbs without issue. I have a Nitto Big Rear Rack (2 lbs of real steel) for anything I may pick up along the way. Unless I've got a box of books or similar casually strapped to the back, the bike is stable although the steering feels a bit wandering if I need to take both hands off the bars. Not a big deal. The Atlantis willshimmywith extra weight only on the rear (2 panniers, total weight less than 20 lbs), such as a lodging tour load. Move that same load to front low riders, noshimmy. Add another pair of panniers for camping (15 lbs total), and the most stable arrangement is with the lighter pair on the rear. 4 bags, with the heavier on the rear, and the bike has that tail wagging the dog feel, and has developed a nastyshimmymore than once. The above is all with the same 35 mm touring tires and a 175 lb rider. I've fiddled with the headset adjustment, etc., and will change to a needle bearing HS when the present one dies. My conclusion, for me what I do with the bike, is to put the bulk of any load on the front, with whatever's left over on the rear. William may have reached the same conlusion in his post where he reports eliminating theshimmywhen he removed the rear saddlebag (12 lbs). In any case, these experiments are great fun to perform and we learn a lot about our bikes, preferences, and what works for us. Rene (above) is the only other Atlantis owner I can recall posting aboutshimmy. dougP On Dec 22, 11:09 am, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The drinard video is very good. That's exactly the thing I'm looking at when running my experiments. On Dec 21, 9:34 pm, Tim McNamara tim...@bitstream.net wrote: Try the simple things first: move the saddle slightly forward or back, maybe 1/2, to change the weight distribution of you on the bike. Change the distribution of stuff you carry on the bike (or consider carrying less stuff). Raise or lower the bars to change your position. Make sure the headset is adjusted. Make sure the wheels are true and properly aligned in the frame. Swap the front tire to the back and vice versa; look for casing defects in the tires. Try less inflation pressure (or more) in the tires. Try a different size tire. If your bike starts toshimmywith your hands on the bars, stand up slightly and ease your weight off the saddle- this will usually stop ashimmyinstantly. The cause ofshimmyis not exactly known. Since it tends to be speed- dependent, it is likely that vertical and gyroscopic forces play a part. There appear to be at least two fulcrum points, the rear tire contact patch and the saddle. The bike frame appears to act as a spring, whipping back and forth; nutation can be observed with the steerer turning slightly in the head bearings as the front part of the frame travels laterally. Interestingly the front tire contact patch usually continues to track in a straight line but, as the shimmyworsens, the contact patch can begin to arc back and forth on the road. This is what is often meant when someone talks about a death wobble, because the vehicle becomes unstable and will often crash unless the wobble can be stopped. Wobbles can be started by road surface irregularities *Great* video by the much-missed-in-rec.bikes.tech Damon Rinard of a deliberately induced no-handedshimmy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xODNzyUbIHo I wish that was in slo-mo. This is Rob English crashing at the Battle Mountain IHPVA event on level terrain at about 70 mph (I bet he appreciated his fairing very much). It appears to me that his pedaling effort caused the problem and
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Well that's just the thing not everyone with a larger frame is a bean-pole.I'm only a bit over 6 feet these days (I swear I was taller a decade or two ago), but my PBH is 94 so I've got a 66cm Quickbeam which fits perfectly. I also look less like a bean-pole than the base of a baobab tree. :-) Aloha! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:38 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote: Come on!! Where are all my fellow bean-poles? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding forward. Always thought it should be flatter. Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if you buy thier saddle bags too. I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles now. wallbike.com 6month unconditional return guarantee. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Well then you're an honorary bean-pole! Welcome!!! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:40 PM, Robert F. Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com wrote: Well that's just the thing not everyone with a larger frame is a bean-pole.I'm only a bit over 6 feet these days (I swear I was taller a decade or two ago), but my PBH is 94 so I've got a 66cm Quickbeam which fits perfectly. I also look less like a bean-pole than the base of a baobab tree. :-) Aloha! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:38 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Come on!! Where are all my fellow bean-poles? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Saddle comparison - Brooks B17 vs. Berthoud Touring
Rene: If the Berthoud works out, COULD this mean you may have a veritable arsenal of B17s available for sale??? (tee hee hee) Bobby I've already bought a B17 from Rene Birmingham On Jan 7, 6:47 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the responses. I'm ordering one tonight to try it. I like the B17 except for its nose up position to prevent sliding forward. Always thought it should be flatter. Seems like the Berthoud Touring might make me completely happy. René Sent from my iPhone 4 On Jan 7, 2011, at 1:54 PM, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Only reason I wouldn't try a 200 dollar saddle is if I can't return it. It looks to me to be a very well made comfortable saddle that has a benefit if you buy thier saddle bags too. I would also out of desperation try it if I didn't have comfortable saddles now. wallbike.com 6month unconditional return guarantee. -sv -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Well then in the name of truth justice and the american way.. you must sell you're quickbeam to me, that a true bean pole can enjoy a single speed. NO??? I had to try. Robert F. Harrison wrote: Well that's just the thing not everyone with a larger frame is a bean-pole.I'm only a bit over 6 feet these days (I swear I was taller a decade or two ago), but my PBH is 94 so I've got a 66cm Quickbeam which fits perfectly. I also look less like a bean-pole than the base of a baobab tree. :-) Aloha! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:38 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote: Come on!! Where are all my fellow bean-poles? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Rebates!
Well: I just used my rebate for a 3-year membership and a Mark's Rack (so I can interchange my Platrack across multiple bikes). I also am grateful for the fact that I can afford to own a Riv, and that I work for a great company who does 2 for 1 charitable matches... I am donating though my company to Smile Train... Thank you, Esteban (and others) for reminding me to not always think about myself... Peace, BB On Jan 7, 3:07 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: And now they are available to spend! On Jan 6, 6:34 am, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Great idea... you are truly wise... thx On Jan 6, 1:15 am, Esteban proto...@gmail.com wrote: Seth's onto something. The first thing I do with my rebate is to buy membership for another year. An altruistic move would be to donate the rest (or at least a portion) to Smiletrain! Esteban San Diego, Calif. On Jan 5, 8:22 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote: You can call and check but buying a frame used to get you an automatic membership. On Jan 5, 4:58 pm, Z ztahr...@gmail.com wrote: I had no idea, and purchased separate a membership shortly after buying a frame... Will I get a 5% rebate on said frame, too? Fingers crossed. On Jan 3, 2:42 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Dave just posted to the knothole that rebates will be in by the end of the week. What have you been living without that you no longer will be able to live without once your rebate is in? For those who don't know. Rivendell gives a 5% rebate to members. Members pay $20 a year to be members. You get a free year if you buy a frame or a bike. I use this to justify buying at least one frame per year :). I wonder how many people buy Riv bikes and have no idea that they get a rebate?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Oh yeah revisited 68cm Quickbeam On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
I'd be very interested to hear about touring fully loaded. the good, the bad, etc. I'm very interested in doing same and have even put together a full 25 Cannondale rig, racks, bags, and some equipment to tip-toe into it. If time allows, it would be appreciated. RGZ On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:12 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Well then in the name of truth justice and the american way.. you must sell you're quickbeam to me, that a true bean pole can enjoy a single speed. NO??? I had to try. Robert F. Harrison wrote: Well that's just the thing not everyone with a larger frame is a bean-pole.I'm only a bit over 6 feet these days (I swear I was taller a decade or two ago), but my PBH is 94 so I've got a 66cm Quickbeam which fits perfectly. I also look less like a bean-pole than the base of a baobab tree. :-) Aloha! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:38 PM, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.comwrote: Come on!! Where are all my fellow bean-poles? On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 11:30 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Oh yeah... 68cm Riv Custom. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 10:25:00 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Cc: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group While singing short people got no reason ... 6'5 tall 67 cm ahh 64 cm Bombadil 96.5 pbh 225lbs Looking for at least 65 cm single speed Kelly Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 9:55 AM, zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: Nothing apart from taking over the world as we know it. OK, OK. This should be discussion about any and everything that involves the riding experience for those who require a bicycle larger than 64cm. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Dave Craig dcr...@prescott.edu Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 07:44:34 To: RBW Owners Bunchrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group Robert: Perhaps you could be more specific. Do you have questions or observations? What are you hoping that us longshanks will share? What's the Riv-related content? DC (6'2;37-inch PBH;ape arms;size 14 feet; 65cm Hilsen;60cm Bombadil; 64cm Quickbeam) On Jan 7, 6:24 am, robert zeidler zeidler.rob...@gmail.com wrote: OK, Have at it!!! Who's first? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Robert Harrison rfharri...@gmail.com statrix.statrix.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed
[RBW] Re: New News Post
AMEN, BROTHER, I'm with you... Because life is too short to not enjoy food!!! (or drink sh**y beer, or drink bad coffee, or ride lousy bikes... yaddy yadda...) BB On Jan 7, 11:59 am, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks .. Double cheeseburger, fries and shake at 50 miles thanks.: Medium please Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the discussion had just turned into what to eat during those long rides, carbs being the traditional option and now, with Grant's web post regarding Taube's book that triggered this thread, what would the high protein/high fat alternative be and whether it would be viable and provide the required energy to sustain a rider through one of these long rides. I can say that for me this is a very interesting thread as I am planning to do those rides but not planning on eating the traditional carbs... :-) René On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: Who doesn't plan long rides on Riv bikes? Never heard that one. I plan on riding 12 to 15 centuries this year as usual.. I didn't read the book, but I'm lost as to anyone suggesting we wouldn't ride long rides. Kelly -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
64' 92pbh 60cm Bombadil on the way. A couple/three 64s of various types typically around, but I'm finding the leg-swing less easy as time goes on. Hmm, I wonder if in twenty years I can cut out the top-tube of the Bombadil and step through the world's first Bombadez? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Informal Tall Riders Group
Contests on the Bombadil! I just got mine and love it Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Marty mgie...@mac.com wrote: 64' 92pbh 60cm Bombadil on the way. A couple/three 64s of various types typically around, but I'm finding the leg-swing less easy as time goes on. Hmm, I wonder if in twenty years I can cut out the top-tube of the Bombadil and step through the world's first Bombadez? Marty -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Electra Ticino Bottle Cage
Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's R cage and a link to detailed photos are on my blog: http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-ticino-bottle.html --Eric campyonly...@me.com www.campyonly.com www.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined carbs, are somehow bad for you is just egregiously absurd: tell it to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are scarfing down bacon and cheese. Sit still, quiet, breathe deeply, think peaceful thoughts, cultivate one-ness with the cosmos -- and be patient, patient, patient: this fad too shall pass. Patrick happily and skinnily (at a svelte almost 56, 5'10 in bare feet, 170 lb) eating his home made French bread with olive oil, salt and pepper, who believes that a real culprit of dietary sin is processed foods and who eats very little of them because they are so g-d disgusting! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms . . .. It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced by the diets they embrace. Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick made one other good observation: the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. The uttermostly bestest cookbook that I have come across for versatility and simplicity AND quality of results is Bittman's How To Cook Everything. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Touring New Mexico
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:43 AM, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Actually that's the part of the state that I have toured on two occasions for about a month in total. I was thinking about coming across the south - hitting New Orleans San Antonio before landing in Big Bend, then on to Carlsbad, and Las Cruces, before heading back north. michael Latest forecasts for ABQ area, mid 40s high with low 20s low; Las Cruces 12-15 F higher. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] What Makes the Rivendell
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Kelly Sleeper tkslee...@gmail.com wrote: My question is what makes the Rivendell Bike Different. Incontrovertibly and incontestably nothing more important than **fit** and **handling** -- sez I whose 3 customs won't take more than 30s with fenders. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post
Bravo! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com Sender: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 19:04:08 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Reply-To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: New News Post I know this topic is grossly OT, but the idea that carbs, even refined carbs, are somehow bad for you is just egregiously absurd: tell it to the Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Italians and other groups whose principal source of food is grains of some sort or another. The Japanese have very long average life, and it isn't because they are scarfing down bacon and cheese. Sit still, quiet, breathe deeply, think peaceful thoughts, cultivate one-ness with the cosmos -- and be patient, patient, patient: this fad too shall pass. Patrick happily and skinnily (at a svelte almost 56, 5'10 in bare feet, 170 lb) eating his home made French bread with olive oil, salt and pepper, who believes that a real culprit of dietary sin is processed foods and who eats very little of them because they are so g-d disgusting! On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 6, 8:12 pm, Rene Sterental orthie...@gmail.com wrote: The short answer is that carbs create and trigger addiction responses, just like nicotine, alcohol and other drugs. When you are hooked, you crave them for all the reasons explained in the book (High insuline, lack of calories for normal function because most are stored in the fat tissue, etc.) you're starting with the premise of being an addict, or in the case of food, people who have most likely been chronically overweight, unhealthy and/or unfit. carbs, or any other source of calories for that matter, do not pose a problem for people who have a healthy, long- standing relationship with food. just like beer and wine don't pose a problem for one who is control of his or her drinking. I know other authors talk about how to use carbs when excercising, but I'd be willing to bet that if one takes the time to fully change eating paradigms . . .. It seems to me that those who espouse atkins, taubes, et al. are those who chronically struggle with weight, health and fitness. they also tend to be focused on weight loss and not overall health, as evidenced by the diets they embrace. Most of the truly healthy, fit people i know eat/drink what ever they want - but it's mostly vegetables, whole grains, nuts, fruits . ..stuff without nutrition labels. carbs are certainly not forbidden - two of my friends are outstanding bakers and delicious bread and cake is always on the table when we eat together. the handful of serious athletes (those who train, compete to win) I know are all vegetarian/vegan. none of these folks follow a *diet.* I haven't seen any of them gain or lose significant weight for years. the other thing they have in common is that they cook *a lot*, which, for me, is absolutely essential to maintaining a healthy relationship with food. In fact, I'd suggest buying a good cookbook, rather than a *diet* book, for anyone who is serious about repairing their relationship with food and living a healthier lifestyle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article you've read in a Riv Reader? I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article about wrapping twine. Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Most interesting Riv Reader Articles
One of my favorites (in # 27) was about the twins who toured from Alaska to South America. One of them stayed down there and the other rode back to the US on an XO-1, with Terrier riding atop luggage, stopping in at Walnut Creek for a chat and ride with Grant. He got a new saddle and headed off to?...wonder where he is now? That same reader had a an interview with Charlie Cunningham, pics of Chuck Schmidt's awesome vintage Mercian and also (I believe) introduced the Quickbeam. The peak of the Reader imho. Rob On Jan 7, 6:42 pm, colin p. cummings colinthehip...@gmail.com wrote: To all who read them, what has been the most interesting article you've read in a Riv Reader? I haven't read many, but I was very into an article about a typographer that originally appeared in the New Yorker...can't remember which Reader, or the chap's name, but it was intriguing and fun. I love that sort of esoteric reporting alongside an article about wrapping twine. Colin Cummings Amarillo, TX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Fender mounted battery powered taillight suggestions?
After commuting home in the dark and rain this evening (Seattle) it occurred to me that, even with a nice Princeton-tech swerve n the seat stay and modest tail pack and back of helmet tail lights, a nice bright rear fender mounted tail light would not be a bad idea. I like the look of the PDW Radbot 1000 but it doesn't specify a fender mount option. Anybody have suggestions on a good battery powered fender mounted tail light I can slap on my (metal) fender? Thanks Ryan West Seattle PS Thank goodness for wool on wet nights! and lil' loafer rain covers. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Electra Ticino Bottle Cage
perfect copy of the Nitto cage. and a great substitute if you cant find or hate paying the high price of the nitto cage when they show up (rarely) on ebay. On Jan 7, 5:29 pm, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote: Some thoughts on this alternative to Nitto's R cage and a link to detailed photos are on my blog:http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2011/01/stuff-were-using-electra-tic... --Eric campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
