[RBW] Re: lights

[charlie]

I have the SP hub from VO with the clutch on my Surly..and a B&M 
Daylight Running light Fly headlamp and Toplight line tail lightit is 
nice to just ride along and know I have a constant running tail light and 
adequate head light. It even comes in handy in the daylight, at dusk and in 
the fog and rain etc. My visibility to others is improved and that makes my 
wife happier.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 6:48:07 PM UTC-7, Peter Pesce wrote:
>
> I have a 3 mile commute on lit city streets and battery lights will easily 
> suffice. I used a PB Superflash rear and 2W Blaze in front for 2 years with 
> no ptoblem.  Even though the beam pattern of the Blaze wasn't ideal, I 
> loved that it had a psycho flash mode for daytime riding. 
> Nonetheless I upgraded to a dynamo system and tonight was my first ride 
> home with it. It's very nice to just ride and go, with no battery anxiety. 
> I have an IQ Cyo up front and a Toplight Line Plus Brake in the rear. Love 
> them both so far, along with the SP hub dyno that's powering them. 
>
> Pete in CT
>

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil

[lungimsam]

>
> Don't feel bad. I don't like looks of the more extreme sloping TT's either.
>
Now, the AHH, the Bleriot(1.5 deg), and Rambouillet(2 deg) are all sloped.
But they don't really look all that sloped, so they retain that flat TT 
look about them for that traditional frame look.
That's why I would buy any of them in a heartbeat -  I like everything 
about them!
 
 

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[RBW] Re: Bleriot steerer tubes butted or not?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Put it where you want it, tighten it down. Then hold the wheel between your 
knees and twist the bar side to side. If the stem doesn't come loose under 
such force, you should be ok. You can repeat this test every so often if it 
makes you feel better.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 11:44:47 PM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:
>
> Just wondering if anyone knows, offhand. The bottom of my Technomic is 
> nowhere near the bottom of the tube but just wanted to know for future 
> reference to avoid the potential problem as illustrated here on:
>  
> http://sheldonbrown.com/handsup.html
>  
> about being careful to not have the quill down into the butted section 
> of a steerer.
>  
> I'd call Rivendell to ask, but since I didn't buy the bike new, I'd feel 
> funny calling about it.
>

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[RBW] Bleriot steerer tubes butted or not?

[lungimsam]

Just wondering if anyone knows, offhand. The bottom of my Technomic is 
nowhere near the bottom of the tube but just wanted to know for future 
reference to avoid the potential problem as illustrated here on:
 
http://sheldonbrown.com/handsup.html
 
about being careful to not have the quill down into the butted section of a 
steerer.
 
I'd call Rivendell to ask, but since I didn't buy the bike new, I'd feel 
funny calling about it.

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[RBW] Re: lights

[Kelly]

Pete 

How has the SP hub treated you.  I just put one in service on my quickbeam and 
love it so far.

Kelly

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[PATRICK MOORE]

I was just now reading an essay about the life, works and influence of
Woodie Guthrie (here if you want it:
http://chronicle.com/article/Woody-Guthrie-at-100/134838/)

"In a 1999 essay, Seeger recalled that his friend's view of copyright
was not exactly exclusive, and ran something like this: "Anyone caught
singing one of these songs ... will be a good friend of mine, because
that's why I wrote 'em."

(I do not claim equal stature to WG.)

(Here is an even more interesting essay about even more important people:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/oct/25/tragedy-dietrich-bonhoeffer-and-hans-von-dohnanyi/?pagination=false)

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:29 PM, James Warren  wrote:
>
>
> May I steal this phrase, and use it in my own conversations? It is brilliant!
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
> but wine is from heaven and must not be neglected.
>
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[RBW] Re: Couple Rambouillet questions...

[Andy.M]

How about a green 56?

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/3314490471.html

-Andy

On Oct 6, 9:24 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> > Blue, 56, would be mine, as long as the wife was ok with it.

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[James Warren]

May I steal this phrase, and use it in my own conversations? It is brilliant!


On Oct 8, 2012, at 7:05 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:

> but wine is from heaven and must not be neglected.


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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Someone said: "Patrick ( and Jim),
Tying your two thoughts together on alcohol: when I had the opportunity to
spend a week in Albuquerque this past summer, I was shocked at the quantity
of cheap liquor available even in WalMart there And noting the sizes of
those purchasers buying in quantity, none were petite.."

How does wine (or spirits) fit into the low carb regimen? I can't see that
it's good to forgo wine! Even cheap wine! Beer and spirits, yes, but wine
is from heaven and must not be neglected.

Wine prices -- those on that very fine line between inexpensive but
drinkable and inexpensive but why bother --  are cheaper than beer, here,
unless you drink Bud or similar swill.

WalMart: yes, the demographic here in ABQ is 20 lb heavier and 3" shorter
than the national average. Is it like that elsewhere? Personally, I have to
be dragged screaming into WM, so I haven't a lot of experience with it.


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[RBW] Re: lights

[Peter Pesce]

I have a 3 mile commute on lit city streets and battery lights will easily 
suffice. I used a PB Superflash rear and 2W Blaze in front for 2 years with no 
ptoblem.  Even though the beam pattern of the Blaze wasn't ideal, I loved that 
it had a psycho flash mode for daytime riding. 
Nonetheless I upgraded to a dynamo system and tonight was my first ride home 
with it. It's very nice to just ride and go, with no battery anxiety. I have an 
IQ Cyo up front and a Toplight Line Plus Brake in the rear. Love them both so 
far, along with the SP hub dyno that's powering them. 

Pete in CT

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[RBW] Re: "Just Wrench" as next book would be great. Here's why...

[dougP]

Jim:
 
As always, thanks for the thoughtful discussion.  Many of the observations 
regarding thinking things through before pickup any tools, not forcing 
things, etc., are universal.  I've always enjoyed working on my own bikes & 
those of friends, etc., and have gotten used to a certain baseline level of 
quality in components.  As members of this group, we have a certain 
appreciation for stuff that works well, even in fairly basic grades.  
Components that are decently made, work well and are intended to be 
maintained and adjusted.  These things make life good.
 
Recently I've been working through an inventory of cast-off bikes 
(donations from police depts, big box store returns, etc.) at a local 
charity.  These are typically not well made in the first place and are 
equipped with unlabeled components.  Most of the fasteners are some form of 
steel (they rust instantly) but are quite soft & require a gentle touch.  
In short, they are meant to sell (in the $100-$200 range) but never be 
worked on.  Needless to say, I would starve as a flat rate mechanic working 
on these.  There is, however, a certain challenge to bringing these up to 
functionality, and satisfaction in doing so.  Fortunately I control the 
pace & volume of my work and so am able to quit when I've had my fill of 
wrenching.
 
A bonus is that it keeps me from screwing around with my Atlantis.  
 
dougP
 

On Monday, October 8, 2012 3:36:55 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Kent always speaks great truths with an economy of words.  That's great 
> that he's doing that. 
>
> Additionally, the Park Tools website has a lot of this info currently 
> available.  Not necessarily videos, but good, clear steps for the most part.
>
> http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help
>
>  And, of course on anything that can be reasonably taken apart with common 
> bicycle tools (and some deeper delving, as well), AASHTA*
>
> Wrenching is funny business. At one point in my life, I "tightened up my 
> loose spokes" with a crescent wrench, and the result, which would not even 
> fit into the frame of my bike, caused a good deal of chuckling when the 
> bike was sheepishly carried into the local shop.  I once used pretty much 
> the whole roll of solder trying to attach metal rods to a piece of thick 
> plastic for a science experiment in grade school.  (Now, the fact that a 
> youngster should be able to gain unsupervised access a soldering iron at 
> that age should say less about my parents and more about my inventiveness 
> in beginning projects.)  I clearly had the desire, but not the skills.  
>
> Luckily, at some point, I did buy a Sloan's manual, and had the disposable 
> time to mis-adjust my way to proper setup, and brought enough tools along 
> on most rides to retorque loosening bolts.  Along the way, I pulled apart 
> cameras (mechanical ones) computers and electronic devices (mostly air back 
> then, anyway) and met a few folks that were handy with tools. 
>
> I gained a finer appreciation for that point when you're about to do 
> something really stupid.  I learned that you can force things - some 
> materials more than others.  I dug deeper into my bicycles and acquired 
> uniquely specific tools (Shimano 600 headset wrenches, as an example) that 
> did only one odd thing.  Pin tools.  Third Hands. 
>
> But, I was lucky to fall under the tutelage of a couple good mechanics.  
> One was a bike mechanic, the other a computer guy.  They were methodical 
> and focused.  They taught me how to troubleshoot things.  They taught me 
> that adding leverage to a bad approach made things much worse, very 
> quickly. They taught me to use the right tool for the job. When I worked in 
> the bike industry, I got to interact frequently with the head mechanics at 
> our stores, and watched a couple of them as they worked on my bike (only 
> let a couple of them do actual work on my bike...) when they noticed 
> something that wasn't quite right.
>
> It happened slowly.  And I didn't really even realize the extent of the 
> effect until I was helping my dad on his boat and ended up fixing the bilge 
> pump - finding the missing bolt which had fallen inside the pump and would 
> have crunched the internals if it had kicked on.  My dad, who had been 
> moderately in favor of just using the other 5 and not worrying about the 
> sixth, gave me a funny look and asked when I had become such a mechanic.  
>
> Which I really didn't think I was, and in my opinion, compared to folks 
> who actually do that work day in and day out, I most definitely am not.
>
> But, that led me to believe that it's mostly about approach.  Parts off.  
> Laid down in order.  Notes when you need them. Tools back in the rack when 
> you aren't actively using them.   Steady pressure. Consistent steps.  
> Thinking it through before you touch a tool. Being present and focused when 
> using the tools. If things get frustrating, setting things down and 
> stepping away.  Returning only when 

[RBW] Bombadil

[Peter M]

Ok, so first the good news, after annoying list members, measuring my
PBH 20 times and going through 4 different frames I can confidently
say the fit of the 52cm Bombadil is actually right on. The issue I am
having is really petty and dont hate me for saying it but I just dont
like the sloping top tube and MTBesque look of it. I have my MB2 for
any real MTBing and feel I have a good bit of overlap there. Again,
dont get me wrong the Bombadil is beautiful like all Rivendell bikes
but I just really prefer the look of a more road bike like the AHH. So
here it is, another trade offer for a 58cm AHH/Saluki. If I dont get
any hits I will just hold onto the Bombadil through the winter and
save up for a new AHH. I do have some money set aside right now though
if someone wants to discuss other options but I am sticking with 650b
so I am somewhat limited as to what I will go for. Really looking for
someone who wants to swap 58cm 650b AHH for my Bombadil. I know that
is a long shot but hey, you can always dream, haha. Link to some bad
photos (my college photography professor would be appalled)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/

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[RBW] Re: lights

[charlie]

A generator front and rear light system is the best thing I have ever done 
for my bicycle. It turned my ride into a useful vehicle rather than a fair 
weather day rider. Lights on all the time is a good safety feature. I 
notice auto drivers see me sooner especially when I'm in the shadows, even 
on a sunny day. If you have a short (five mile or less) commute a 
high quality battery set up will suffice ( Phillips headlight 80 Lux and 
maybe a 
Planet bike super flash rear)

On Monday, October 8, 2012 7:42:32 AM UTC-7, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[charlie]

Forget the running unless you are doing short intense interval 
sprints..better to lift weights if you want to lose fat. Perhaps a read 
of Grants latest book will school you all on the subject. It really is a 
good book and he touches in a basic way the principles for losing fat and 
proper exercise to help that along and finally its not just about losing 
fat but rather controlling ones blood sugar levels that is the important 
part of eating low carb i.e. animal protein, eggs, saturated fats i.e. 
coconut oil, fish oil, animal fat (olive oil eaten cold) large amounts of 
leafy greens, some nuts & berries and limited fruit.  And Jim.thanks, 
you related it well. "if you aren't fat it doesn't apply to 
you"...so only fat people or those battling fat loss, diabetes, or any 
other inflammatory condition may comment from now on.If you are a 
leaned out super stud with no health problems due to your diet you may rest 
on the knowledge that you are invincible ; )

On Monday, October 8, 2012 8:34:54 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, 20 years ago, I was a skinny 6', 145lb Marine... But 
> after learning how to eat everything I could get my hands on, then getting 
> out of constant activity and sitting on my duff for years of grad school, I 
> found myself 10 years ago tipping the scales at 280lbs... I went on a 
> carb-free diet for a year (no breads, no potatoes, no sugars, best I could 
> manage), and finally got down to 200lbs.  
>
> But something clicked in my head; er, rather, internally, something 
> snapped, regardless of my head thinking otherwise... if I thought about not 
> eating a roll, I ate the pan of rolls; if I thought about not eating a 
> slice of pie, I ate the pie.  It was really weird, I just couldn't not eat 
> carbs at all.  So, I gave up, went back to 'normal', and the weight crept 
> back on.
>
> Wanting to do something about it again, is when I got back into riding a 
> few years ago; but as Grant's pointed out, riding alone won't drop pounds. 
>  This past spring, seeing the scale back up at 260, I finally started 
> watching the carbs again.  Took all summer, to get down to 235 now; that 
> much weight actually dropped fast early on, but then I got stuck, and have 
> been... For the past two months, I'm stuck at 235, 236, 237, and no more 
> has come off...  I really want to get down to 200 (further, eventually, but 
> 200 is my initial goal); so, since my diet alone, nor w/ biking is helping, 
> I'm thinking about mixing a bit of running in, to help get the loss moving. 
>  Aside from 'health', a large part of wanting to get my weight down, is to 
> help my hill-climbing on my bikes
>
> Patrick ( and Jim),
> Tying your two thoughts together on alcohol: when I had the opportunity to 
> spend a week in Albuquerque this past summer, I was shocked at the quantity 
> of cheap liquor available even in WalMart there And noting the sizes of 
> those purchasers buying in quantity, none were petite...  I do like an 
> occasional beer myself, but singularly, not in quantity, and I now keep 
> them further between... Instead of a weekly beer, anymore it's closer to a 
> monthly beer, just avoiding carbs (many of my geologist colleagues are hard 
> drinkers, but only a few would I classify as alcoholics (but there are 
> some); I enjoy a drink or two, but despise getting drunk, one and done is 
> great for me; but I completely understand, not even getting started if 
> that's what someone needs to do...).
>
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[RBW] Re: Kudos to Schwalbe NA

[lungimsam]

>
> That's fantastic. It is great that a company was looking out for a 
> customer. That's a nice thing in this day and age.
>  
>
I just bought some Marathons from rivbike.com. So it is encouraging to hear 
this positive experience with Schwalbe. 

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[RBW] Lance won a Tri in my town on Sunday.

[lungimsam]

There are a lotta Tri's starting at a lake in my town right down the road 
from my home.
I don't know if anyone gave Lance a run for his money.
He was also speaking at a forum over the weekend here at a high school.
I didn't know he was here. Wife and I went to a fundraiser for animal 
welfare a few miles from the race start.
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/olympics/lance-armstrong-wins-howard-county-triathlon/2012/10/07/452f7f4e-10ba-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Peter Morgano]

I got my rear 650b alfine wheel done by Harris and have bought wheels off
them in the past. They were great. I was looking at longleaf for a 650b
dyno front wheel maybe for xmas though.
http://www.longleafbicycles.com/products/dynohubs-and-lighting/dynohubs/shimano-dh-3n72-dh-3d72/

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Will  wrote:

> I bought my boys wheels with Shimano Alfine hubs last year. Harris sells
> them. They are great. There's so little drag you can run lights full time.
> Running lights during the day is worth it. You are very visible.
>
> Around the holidays, Harris usually offers a good shipping promotion.
>
>
> http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-cyclery-generator-front-wheel-sun-cr-18-rim-shimano-alfine-hub-36-dt-spokes-2982.htm
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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[RBW] Re: lights

[Will]

I bought my boys wheels with Shimano Alfine hubs last year. Harris sells 
them. They are great. There's so little drag you can run lights full time. 
Running lights during the day is worth it. You are very visible.   

Around the holidays, Harris usually offers a good shipping promotion. 

http://harriscyclery.net/product/harris-cyclery-generator-front-wheel-sun-cr-18-rim-shimano-alfine-hub-36-dt-spokes-2982.htm

On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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[RBW] Re: "Just Wrench" as next book would be great. Here's why...

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Kent always speaks great truths with an economy of words.  That's great 
that he's doing that. 

Additionally, the Park Tools website has a lot of this info currently 
available.  Not necessarily videos, but good, clear steps for the most part.

http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help

 And, of course on anything that can be reasonably taken apart with common 
bicycle tools (and some deeper delving, as well), AASHTA*

Wrenching is funny business. At one point in my life, I "tightened up my 
loose spokes" with a crescent wrench, and the result, which would not even 
fit into the frame of my bike, caused a good deal of chuckling when the 
bike was sheepishly carried into the local shop.  I once used pretty much 
the whole roll of solder trying to attach metal rods to a piece of thick 
plastic for a science experiment in grade school.  (Now, the fact that a 
youngster should be able to gain unsupervised access a soldering iron at 
that age should say less about my parents and more about my inventiveness 
in beginning projects.)  I clearly had the desire, but not the skills.  

Luckily, at some point, I did buy a Sloan's manual, and had the disposable 
time to mis-adjust my way to proper setup, and brought enough tools along 
on most rides to retorque loosening bolts.  Along the way, I pulled apart 
cameras (mechanical ones) computers and electronic devices (mostly air back 
then, anyway) and met a few folks that were handy with tools. 

I gained a finer appreciation for that point when you're about to do 
something really stupid.  I learned that you can force things - some 
materials more than others.  I dug deeper into my bicycles and acquired 
uniquely specific tools (Shimano 600 headset wrenches, as an example) that 
did only one odd thing.  Pin tools.  Third Hands. 

But, I was lucky to fall under the tutelage of a couple good mechanics.  
One was a bike mechanic, the other a computer guy.  They were methodical 
and focused.  They taught me how to troubleshoot things.  They taught me 
that adding leverage to a bad approach made things much worse, very 
quickly. They taught me to use the right tool for the job. When I worked in 
the bike industry, I got to interact frequently with the head mechanics at 
our stores, and watched a couple of them as they worked on my bike (only 
let a couple of them do actual work on my bike...) when they noticed 
something that wasn't quite right.

It happened slowly.  And I didn't really even realize the extent of the 
effect until I was helping my dad on his boat and ended up fixing the bilge 
pump - finding the missing bolt which had fallen inside the pump and would 
have crunched the internals if it had kicked on.  My dad, who had been 
moderately in favor of just using the other 5 and not worrying about the 
sixth, gave me a funny look and asked when I had become such a mechanic.  

Which I really didn't think I was, and in my opinion, compared to folks who 
actually do that work day in and day out, I most definitely am not.

But, that led me to believe that it's mostly about approach.  Parts off.  
Laid down in order.  Notes when you need them. Tools back in the rack when 
you aren't actively using them.   Steady pressure. Consistent steps.  
Thinking it through before you touch a tool. Being present and focused when 
using the tools. If things get frustrating, setting things down and 
stepping away.  Returning only when you are calm and focused.

It sounds kind of ponderous and boring, but it's really a practice.  An 
approach to problem solving.  And you faster and more efficient at a lot of 
the steps.  

For me, I've never wanted my bike to be a mystery - the technical end of it 
has always been fascinating.  I also depend upon my bicycle to work 
properly under some very stressful conditions.  I do bet my life and bones 
on it working properly. For me, that's meant me or a reasonably trusted 
party working on my bicycle. 

Some people just aren't drawn to that.  Or they think they should be but 
don't have the patience.  There's nothing wrong with being in the "bigger 
hammer" crowd, but it is helpful if you admit it to yourself before you go 
at a misadjusted derailleur with a pair of vise grips.

Or more likely, they are kind of cursed by the way things get fixed now - 
most bicycle repairs are the mechanical equivalent of a "board swap" - 
where you remove the whole circuit board because there's one bad connection 
on it. It would take too long to troubleshoot to find the faulty 
connection, and since everything is microprinted connections, there's 
little chance of actually redoing the work.

That is one of the reasons I've ended up enjoying Rivendell's approach to 
things.  If you have to get all confusing and use multiple gears, then you 
ought to be able to take the bits apart when they wear out.  I've always 
felt that it's a shame to complicate a simple system - whether fly reels, 
bicycles, shifters, cameras, shovels or lawn mowers.  A good simple tool 

Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

Note that, beyond a certain surprisingly low minimum, it is less the gross
output of a light that makes it desirable for commuting than the shape of
the beam. I get much more usable illumination from a 2.4-3W LED in my Cyo
or Edeluxe than from the insanely more bright HID light I had some years
ago.

"*The headlight that I use (a generator headlight called the IQ Cyo) is 60
Lux, but uses a LED that only puts out around 150 lumens (CREE XR-E). The
lenses just do a good job of putting the light on the ground in front of
the cyclist, and not wasting it lighting up trees that are over the road or
trail. The MS has 6x the number of lumens, but puts less light onto the
ground becuase the light is being distributed everywhere. A lot of that
scattered light is going into the eyes of oncoming cyclists and driver's,
blinding them.*"

Another big factor in the efficacy of a headlight: how well the close-up
lighting is graduated compared to that in the distance. A very bright
uniform beam giving very bright close-up illumination is self defeating
since it dazzles you so that you can't see as well in the distance.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:19 PM, lungimsam  wrote:

> I use a Nite Rider minewt.600 on my Bleriot and I commute after dark.
>
> Wireless, small, and a powerful 600 lumens. I would not use less than 600
> lumens for riding at night.
>
> It comes with a mount for the helmet, and also with a clip on mount for
> the bars/stem.
>
> Works fantastic for me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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[RBW] Re: lights

[lungimsam]

I use a Nite Rider minewt.600 on my Bleriot and I commute after dark.
 
Wireless, small, and a powerful 600 lumens. I would not use less than 600 
lumens for riding at night.
 
It comes with a mount for the helmet, and also with a clip on mount for the 
bars/stem.
 
Works fantastic for me.
 
 
 
 
 

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:

>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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[RBW] Re: lights

[IanA]

Sure - don't get me wrong, I've toured round the clock and have ridden in 
the pitch black.  I still would maintain that basic lighting is enough 
unless you're making a habit of night riding.  But, riding in the dark on 
tour is not common.  Riding at dawn does make a lot of sense especially 
when hot or you've got lots of miles to cover, but it's not really a time 
when high efficiency lights are needed.  This is based only on personal 
experience (including one long tour of two years/32,000km) and there are as 
many opinions as tourers.   

On Monday, October 8, 2012 2:32:52 PM UTC-6, Kelly wrote:
>
> It's not hardcore to have a flat or mechanical and be riding in the dark. 
>  During the last tour we road in total darkness two nights.  Lets add the 
> nights that a bar or town is close enough to camp to go to for 
> entertainment.  I see touring needing dyno's as much as randonneuring folks 
> and more so than commuters who can charge batteries at night at home.   
> (Note my opinion based on how I tour)  Add in Summer tours with 100 degree 
> days and night touring is the best bet to get some added miles without 
> dealing with the extreme heat.  I've found nothing dangerous or wrong with 
> night time riding on tour.  Once again my opinion.  
>
> Kelly
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:47:21 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>>
>> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.  Dusk touring, I understand, but 
>> is something to avoid, unless setting up camp in the dark is your aim 
>> (easier to hide!). Of course, if you're doing the B&B thing, a bit of dusk 
>> riding doesn't hurt, except you are much harder to see by other vehicles. 
>>  Normally best to tour in daylight.  Either way, all you should need is a 
>> good  head-light like a Petzl, a back up light (maybe a second headlight, 
>> like a Planet Bike headlight) and rear light (like a Planet Bike 
>> Superflash).  Rechargeable batteries and a smaller wall charger, depending 
>> on the length of the tour.
>>
>> For commuting and randonneuring, it would be hard to beat a hub dynamo 
>> system.  As an example of component prices: - 
>> http://www.bike24.com/1.php?ontent=13&search=dynamo
>>
>> A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical 
>> combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this 
>> at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.
>>
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
>>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
>>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
>>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
>>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
>>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>>> Don
>>>  
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've got the dynohub ending in "71" with the Cyo -- have used this combo on
several bikes -- and yes, it is a very good setup. Frankly, the only reason
I have something better on my commuter Riv (SON 20 and Edeluxe) is vanity.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:47 PM, IanA  wrote:


> A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical
> combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this
> at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.
>
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Kenneth Stagg]

It also makes sense for morning people like me.  I'm already awake, I love 
sunrise, I love riding.  Put them all together

-Ken

On Oct 8, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Anne Paulson  wrote:

> Dawn touring makes tons of sense where it's very hot. Even non-hardcore 
> tourists quickly learn the benefit of avoiding 100 degree heat in the full 
> sun.
> 
> -- Anne
> 
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, IanA  wrote:
>> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.   
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 09:16 -0700, Don wrote:
> Thanks for the replies thus far they are helpful. I am seriously
> lacking in knowledge here so bear with me. If I convert to a hub
> dynamo then I will need to purchase the hub and have it installed in
> my wheel (read)? 

Yes you will need to have a wheel built around a hub dynamo.



> And I will need to purchase a light or lights (front and rear) to go
> with it? Correct? 

Correct.


> Given that option what brands and models are suggested and where can
> one purchase these so that I can begin to get some kind of a cost
> estimate to this. 

http://peterwhitecycles.com is an excellent source of information.  On
his site look under Products -> Lights



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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Anne Paulson]

Dawn touring makes tons of sense where it's very hot. Even non-hardcore
tourists quickly learn the benefit of avoiding 100 degree heat in the full
sun.

-- Anne

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:34 AM, IanA  wrote:

> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.

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[RBW] Re: Any update on the new low riders?

[HKett]

Are these the lowriders (and Blug post) in question?: 
http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/28936544956/aug-7

I too am interested in any developments. I assume they will be Nitto built?

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[RBW] FS: White Industries Pedals w/leather straps, and DROMARTI Shoes

[Adam DeFayette]

For Sale!

$150:  White Industries "Urban Platform Peddles": 
http://www.whiteind.com/pedal.html  - Retail for $235
$ 50: Billy Kirk Double Leather Straps -  
http://store.billykirk.com/store/product/268DPS - Retail for $90
$ 20: Soma 4 Gate Toe Clips - http://store.somafab.com/sodetoecl4.html - 
Retail for $29 

I'd like to sell everything for a package deal of $200, postage paid CONUS. 
It's all got a total of 150 miles on it - I swear. Toe-clips were once a 
comfortable set-up for me, but no longer. Slightly scuffed but otherwise 
like new.

Pictured here: 
https://plus.google.com/photos/101616295581563373309/albums/5797034155482768097

$200: Dromarti Shoes, Size 45 Euro (11 - 11.5 US) 
http://www.dromarti.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10_29_14&products_id=16
 
- Retail for $250, plus very expensive international shipping to USA

These I wore with the above set-up, only 150 miles on them, 
slightly-scuffed but otherwise like-new. 


Pay Pal Only. I've sold a number of items through the RBW Owners Bunch, and 
its always been a good experience.

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Re: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

[Robert Zeidler]

Was this the Adventure Cycling tour?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 7, 2012, at 7:20 PM, Kelly  wrote:

> I just got back from the C&O and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh.   
> It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people.   
> Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit.  2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in 
> the group.  
> List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.   Amit and Tom made the entire 
> ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.   (expensive 
> but damn I was dead in my tracks)   Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't 
> have been better.  Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.We 
> also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall.   
> 
> it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, 
> and Tom D out of Detroit.  They added an extra dimension to the ride and were 
> fast friends to all from St Louis.  
> 
> We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen.   
> Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him.  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107
> 
> 
> it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it 
> with my wife.   
> 
> So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. 
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/
> 
> Enjoy
> 
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[RBW] Re: lights

[Don]

Thanks for the replies thus far they are helpful. I am seriously lacking in 
knowledge here so bear with me. If I convert to a hub dynamo then I will 
need to purchase the hub and have it installed in my wheel (read)? And I 
will need to purchase a light or lights (front and rear) to go with it? 
Correct? Given that option what brands and models are suggested and where 
can one purchase these so that I can begin to get some kind of a cost 
estimate to this. Now, my trips are relatively localized and on a smaller 
scale but I am looking forward to branching out and taking some much longer 
Time and distance) trips. Thanks so much. You folks really know about this 
stuff. It is amazing to me!

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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[RBW] Re: lights

[Don]

Thanks to everybody for all of your responses. They have been tremendous. I 
am so impressed with the wide range of knowledge and experience and for you 
willingness to share that. Much food for thought. Just to clarify, I don't 
plan to travel much in the dark. But sometimes in the early morning or at 
the end of the day or on an overcast or raining day having a good source of 
illumination to see and to be seen is necessary. Also, having access to 
charge an phone or an IPad is crucial as well. Thanks again, I really 
appreciate this very much.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 2:47:21 PM UTC-4, IanA wrote:
>
> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.  Dusk touring, I understand, but is 
> something to avoid, unless setting up camp in the dark is your aim (easier 
> to hide!). Of course, if you're doing the B&B thing, a bit of dusk riding 
> doesn't hurt, except you are much harder to see by other vehicles. 
>  Normally best to tour in daylight.  Either way, all you should need is a 
> good  head-light like a Petzl, a back up light (maybe a second headlight, 
> like a Planet Bike headlight) and rear light (like a Planet Bike 
> Superflash).  Rechargeable batteries and a smaller wall charger, depending 
> on the length of the tour.
>
> For commuting and randonneuring, it would be hard to beat a hub dynamo 
> system.  As an example of component prices: - 
> http://www.bike24.com/1.php?ontent=13&search=dynamo
>
> A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical 
> combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this 
> at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.
>
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>  
>

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[RBW] Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

[Jimmy Hutch]

I've got a Mark's rack on my AHH, it fits great and has a tab int he front for 
mounting a headlight.  I have a Supernova E3 mounted on mine.

Good luck.

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[RBW] Quickbeam FS

[bingomck]

Hey all, it's time. I was debating this sale for a while. Then a friend had 
a knee injury and was told he needed to give up riding single speeds. So 
he's keeping one of his bikes and giving me the other. Not a Riv, but a 
good bike, so my Quickbeam is now available. 

Pictures here: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/88267393@N02/8068020010/in/photostream

62cm Quickbeam
Paul brakes F&R
36h Phil Wood hubs F&R
   -Front hub has no Phil decal on it, but original owner assured 
me it was Phil. Looks like it. Slight wear showing, please see pictures. 
Still rides well, although I mainly used a different Dynamo wheel when I 
rode this. 
   -Rear is free/fixed with 16 tooth freewheel/cog installed on 
either side, respectively.
Sun rims
700x35 Schwalbe delta cruisers in cream, about 1,000 miles 
American Classic seatpost
Nitto bars & stem
Sugino 40/32 crankset in 175mm
Shimano aero levers & Tektro (?) interrupters
Bar tape is pretty beat up but functional--will include a new white package 
that I never got around to installing
Small container of touch-up paint included as well, which I've never used

-Saddle, pedals and saddlebag not included.

I bought this a few years back from the original owner in Sebastopol. I 
don't think he rode it much. I commuted on this for a year or so, about 
1,200 miles, and it rode great. Front brake cable hanger is kept pretty 
loose (the nuts) otherwise I get some brake shudder. But as is it is setup, 
shudder is pretty minimal/nonexistent. 

Would like to sell local (SF Bay Area, specifically Mill Valley), but will 
ship if need be for actual cost. LBS (Tam Bikes in Mill Valley) will do 
packaging if that's necessary. 

Asking $1,300. You can see condition in the photos--paint is still pretty 
good, except for a few areas (dropouts, under chainstay). Email me offlist 
please. Thanks!

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Atlantis

[rudi]

I'm selling my 64cm Atlantis, serial #AT-0141. Frame, fork, headset only. 
It's an early one, and I've gotten lots of good riding out of it. About a 
year ago, the rear dropout broke, and the good folks at Riv took it in and 
repaired it and repainted it the original Atlantis color. We added a 
kickstand plate, but I wish we'd added fork eyelets. While the frame was 
being repaired I got myself an AHH, and that has become my main ride. I 
never built the Atlantis back up, so it is in like new condition, ready for 
your build. 

Asking $1,200. I'd prefer to sell it to someone local, in the Bay Area as I 
had a slight snag with the last time I shipped. But if the Bay Area is 
saturated with 64cm Atlantis-es, then I'll have it professionally boxed and 
shipped at cost. Please send me a message off list if interested.

Here are 
some pics. 

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[RBW] Re: lights

[Kelly]

It's not hardcore to have a flat or mechanical and be riding in the dark. 
 During the last tour we road in total darkness two nights.  Lets add the 
nights that a bar or town is close enough to camp to go to for 
entertainment.  I see touring needing dyno's as much as randonneuring folks 
and more so than commuters who can charge batteries at night at home.   
(Note my opinion based on how I tour)  Add in Summer tours with 100 degree 
days and night touring is the best bet to get some added miles without 
dealing with the extreme heat.  I've found nothing dangerous or wrong with 
night time riding on tour.  Once again my opinion.  

Kelly

On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:47:21 PM UTC-5, IanA wrote:
>
> Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.  Dusk touring, I understand, but is 
> something to avoid, unless setting up camp in the dark is your aim (easier 
> to hide!). Of course, if you're doing the B&B thing, a bit of dusk riding 
> doesn't hurt, except you are much harder to see by other vehicles. 
>  Normally best to tour in daylight.  Either way, all you should need is a 
> good  head-light like a Petzl, a back up light (maybe a second headlight, 
> like a Planet Bike headlight) and rear light (like a Planet Bike 
> Superflash).  Rechargeable batteries and a smaller wall charger, depending 
> on the length of the tour.
>
> For commuting and randonneuring, it would be hard to beat a hub dynamo 
> system.  As an example of component prices: - 
> http://www.bike24.com/1.php?ontent=13&search=dynamo
>
> A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical 
> combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this 
> at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.
>
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: NIB Saluki 52 cm Pewter w/ 2 Headbadges, 650B - $1,500.00

[Bruce Herbitter]

Funny. Actually, they have a very different feel despite having the same TT
length. The Ram is a 52 with lower BB and longer HT, different rake and
trail than the Saluki. The Saluki is a 50 with a shallower frame, and
handles front weight loads better. Mine has fatter tires and easier
gearing. I figured on a road course the Brevet bike (Ram) was a better
option.  As it was, I was slow both days (wind, hills, lard) so either
would have worked.

The ATROCIOUS pavement in rural MS between Jackson and Vicksburg would have
been much better handled on the Saluki. The Day 2 ride on the Natchez Trace
was great on the Ram. I need to get back there and ride that all the way.

One of the young bike shop SAG support guys recognized the bike and
smirked, "Yeah I peek at the web site once in a while to see what old Grant
P is up to..."

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> A careful statistical analysis reveals that the Ram and the Saluki have a
> functional overlap of roughly 98.5935%, which is pretty similar, but a
> person has to come to a decision

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[RBW] Re: lights

[IanA]

Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.  Dusk touring, I understand, but is 
something to avoid, unless setting up camp in the dark is your aim (easier 
to hide!). Of course, if you're doing the B&B thing, a bit of dusk riding 
doesn't hurt, except you are much harder to see by other vehicles. 
 Normally best to tour in daylight.  Either way, all you should need is a 
good  head-light like a Petzl, a back up light (maybe a second headlight, 
like a Planet Bike headlight) and rear light (like a Planet Bike 
Superflash).  Rechargeable batteries and a smaller wall charger, depending 
on the length of the tour.

For commuting and randonneuring, it would be hard to beat a hub dynamo 
system.  As an example of component prices: - 
http://www.bike24.com/1.php?ontent=13&search=dynamo

A LX level Shimano dynamo with a Lumotec Cyo headlight is an economical 
combination.  I seem to remember Patrick Moore had a combo similar to this 
at one stage.  He might have some insights on this level of dynamo system.


 I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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[RBW] Re: lights

[IanA]

Dawn touring would be pretty hardcore.  Dusk touring, I understand, but is 
something to avoid, unless setting up camp in the dark is your aim (easier 
to hide)! Of course, your doing the B&B thing, a bit of dusk riding doesn't 
hurt, except you are much harder to see by other vehicles.  Normally best 
to tour in daylight.  Either way, all you should need is a good  head-light 
like a Petzl, a back up light (maybe a second headlight, like a Planet Bike 
headlight) and rear light (like a Planet Bike Superflash).  Rechargeable 
batteries and a smaller wall charger, depending on the length of the tour.

For commuting and randonneuring, it would be hard to beat a hub dynamo 
system.  Price wise - http://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=13&search=dynamo 


On Monday, October 8, 2012 8:42:32 AM UTC-6, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'll toss this one in, too:

http://www.magniclight.com/magniclight/index.php/en/startseite/8-magnic-light-homepage-english

The claim that it puts out more light than any existing dynamo system is
probably bogus, but the claim that (eventually) it will retrofit to your
existing headlight is interesting.

Vapor at the moment, I think, and I guess it won't work with the carbon
fiber rims on your Bombadil.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 12:07 PM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Whoops, I should make it clear that I'm not trying to contradict Kelly and
> only wish to say that, IME, bottles and bb dynamos are a very nice and
> relatively inexpensive option.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>> I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
>> bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
>> dynamo or even one of these:
>>
>> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp
>>
>> Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I
>> had an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.
>>
>> PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.
>>
>> For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
>> both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
>> bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.
>>
>> (The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
>> to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:
>>
>>> Don,
>>>
>>> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
>>> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
>>> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
>>> range of needs.
>>> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
>>> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
>>> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
>>> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
>>> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
>>> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
>>> grounds.
>>>
>>> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>>>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
>>> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>>>
>>> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
>>> touring.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:

I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting
 lights (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark
 riding but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation
 while touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator,
 brands, models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting
 from the experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
 Don

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

Whoops, I should make it clear that I'm not trying to contradict Kelly and
only wish to say that, IME, bottles and bb dynamos are a very nice and
relatively inexpensive option.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
> bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
> dynamo or even one of these:
>
> http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp
>
> Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I
> had an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.
>
> PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.
>
> For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
> both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
> bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.
>
> (The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
> to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:
>
>> Don,
>>
>> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
>> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
>> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
>> range of needs.
>> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
>> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
>> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
>> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
>> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
>> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
>> grounds.
>>
>> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
>> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>>
>> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
>> touring.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>>>
>>>I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting
>>> lights (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark
>>> riding but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation
>>> while touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator,
>>> brands, models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting
>>> from the experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>>> Don
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> Me too.  Here's my setup on my AHH with IQ Cyo standard bracket.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274498/


Mine is the same. You can also flip the bracket so the light is angled
down, closer to the wheel.

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Eric Norris]

I've been road testing a slightly different solution--the BikeCharge 
combination dynamo/light/USB charger.  My initial results are online here:

http://campyonlyguy.blogspot.com/2012/08/quick-bikecharge-impressions.html

I originally bought the BikeCharge to get the USB charging option, but I've 
been very pleased with the amount of light it throws.  It moves easily from 
bike to bike (within limits), and has worked very well on my primary bike.  The 
entire system is about $120 including shipping.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com

On Oct 8, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Don,
> 
> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the 
> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be 
> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide 
> range of needs. 
> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the 
> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you 
> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet, 
> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4 bikes 
> with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our phones 
> while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp grounds.   
> 
> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.  
> Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to 
> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.   
> 
> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when 
> touring. 
> 
> Kelly
> 
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>> 
>> I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Me too.  Here's my setup on my AHH with IQ Cyo standard bracket.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42771204@N00/6988274498/


On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 10:31 AM, William  wrote:

> I've been delighted with the front and center placement of my headlamp on
> the front tab that the Mark's Rack (and Nitto Mini Front Rack) comes with.
>
> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:29:31 PM UTC-7, Michael Richters wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag.
>> Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too
>> short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's
>> Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for
>> mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just
>> fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'll reiterate again that, if you don't plan to ride in the rain a lot, a
bottle dynamo is not a bad choice. I personally would have chosen a bb
dynamo or even one of these:

http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/dymotec.asp

Even old Soubitezes are not bad. And bb dynamos if you can find them (I had
an old Sanyo on the Herse) are even better than bottles, IME.

PJW has wire rollers for use in the rain.

For my Fargo (which is not my principal nightime bike) except that I use
both 35 mm and almost-65mm tires on the same bike. If I ever get another
bike which sees only occasional night use, this is what I'd choose.

(The 12 volt dynamo, through the description of which you scrolled to get
to the Dymotec6, is really wonderful but at the price why bother?)

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly  wrote:

> Don,
>
> I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the
> lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be
> had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide
> range of needs.
> In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the
> ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you
> mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet,
> muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4
> bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our
> phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp
> grounds.
>
> Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day.
>  Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to
> charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.
>
> In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when
> touring.
>
> Kelly
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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[RBW] Re: lights

[Kelly]

Don,

I would be of the camp that yells loudly for Dyno Hubs.  The cost of the 
lights and hub has gone down to fairly reasonable cost.   Great hubs can be 
had for 130 bucks, with headlights ranging from 50 to 150 covering a wide 
range of needs. 
In addition to always having light when needed, the hubs will offer the 
ability to charge phones, and other devices.   I bring this up as you 
mentioned touring.   We just got back from a tour through some very wet, 
muddy, very wet, very muddy, and beautiful conditions.   None of the 4 
bikes with dynos had any issues.  Add to this the ability to charge our 
phones while riding came in very handy as we were in primitive camp 
grounds.   

Consider the rainy dark day when the lights are on for the entire day. 
 Batteries aren't going to cut it without access to power and the time to 
charge them.  It's not just about night time riding.   

In my opinion it's the best investment one can make for their bike when 
touring. 

Kelly

On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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[RBW] Re: Front rack for A. Homer Hilsen

[William]

I've been delighted with the front and center placement of my headlamp on 
the front tab that the Mark's Rack (and Nitto Mini Front Rack) comes with.  

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:29:31 PM UTC-7, Michael Richters wrote:
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> I'm looking for a front rack for my AHH to support a handlebar bag. 
> Unfortunately, the VO rack that I've got has struts that are much too 
> short to reach the eyelets on the fork blades.  It looks like a Mark's 
> Rack would reach, but that one doesn't seem to have any provision for 
> mounting a headlight.  Does anyone here know of a front rack that just 
> fits?  In case it matters, it's a 58cm (650B) frame. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Grey Grid Shopsack

[Marc Irwin]

I have one I won't part with.

Marc

On Friday, October 5, 2012 8:01:55 PM UTC-4, Adam wrote:
>
> Greetings All,
>
> I am curious if anyone out there has a new or lightly used grey grid 
> sackville shopsack they'd be interested in parting with. I have worn 
> through mine and have an olive colored simpleone that looks too 'matchy 
> matchy' to me with the green color.
>
> Medium size is preferred but I would think about a large.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam
> Berkeley, CA
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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[franklyn]

There is a whole community of people who were inspired by Bill Clinton's 
weight loss based on a lifestyle and diet changes expressed in the 
documentary "forks over knives" and benefited from a switch to a HEALTHY 
plant-based diet. I stress the word HEALTHY because based on my own 
experience of being a vegetarian and vegan most of my life, one can have a 
very bad plant-based diet. I don't claim that being on any vegan diet makes 
one thin, as I myself balloon from 170lbs in late college to my heaviest of 
210 lbs just 2 years ago, all the while being a vegetarian or vegan. I did 
lose about 20-25 lbs in the last two years, based on a CORRECTIVE diet of 
not eating any starch for weeks. The model I employed, which correlated 
with my success, was that I moved up to a set point in terms of weight and 
digestive metabolism, and needed to use a "cleanse" to reset those points. 
I also began rock climbing and lifting weight in addition to cycling to 
build more muscles. During the weeks of my corrective diet I stayed a vegan 
and ate tons of leafy vegetables, legumes (beans, lentils, tofu, etc.), 
nuts, and fruits that are low on the glycemic index. After the corrective 
period, I have gone to eating whole grains, and pretty much kept all the 
weight off.

What I find salient in most of the posts here is that people ween off 
refined food, and eat more whole foods. I like how Jim described how his 
diet probably has a lot more leafy vegetables than what most americans 
consume. I have moved on from refined sugar, refined grains, and processed 
food (not craving for them) since the corrective diet, and now still enjoy 
eating brown rice, quinoa, and soba (buckwheat) noodles in fairly healthy 
quantities. Although being healthy is not only about weight loss, but 
that's for another day.

Franklyn

On Monday, October 8, 2012 8:34:54 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> Once upon a time, 20 years ago, I was a skinny 6', 145lb Marine... But 
> after learning how to eat everything I could get my hands on, then getting 
> out of constant activity and sitting on my duff for years of grad school, I 
> found myself 10 years ago tipping the scales at 280lbs... I went on a 
> carb-free diet for a year (no breads, no potatoes, no sugars, best I could 
> manage), and finally got down to 200lbs.  
>
> But something clicked in my head; er, rather, internally, something 
> snapped, regardless of my head thinking otherwise... if I thought about not 
> eating a roll, I ate the pan of rolls; if I thought about not eating a 
> slice of pie, I ate the pie.  It was really weird, I just couldn't not eat 
> carbs at all.  So, I gave up, went back to 'normal', and the weight crept 
> back on.
>
> Wanting to do something about it again, is when I got back into riding a 
> few years ago; but as Grant's pointed out, riding alone won't drop pounds. 
>  This past spring, seeing the scale back up at 260, I finally started 
> watching the carbs again.  Took all summer, to get down to 235 now; that 
> much weight actually dropped fast early on, but then I got stuck, and have 
> been... For the past two months, I'm stuck at 235, 236, 237, and no more 
> has come off...  I really want to get down to 200 (further, eventually, but 
> 200 is my initial goal); so, since my diet alone, nor w/ biking is helping, 
> I'm thinking about mixing a bit of running in, to help get the loss moving. 
>  Aside from 'health', a large part of wanting to get my weight down, is to 
> help my hill-climbing on my bikes
>
> Patrick ( and Jim),
> Tying your two thoughts together on alcohol: when I had the opportunity to 
> spend a week in Albuquerque this past summer, I was shocked at the quantity 
> of cheap liquor available even in WalMart there And noting the sizes of 
> those purchasers buying in quantity, none were petite...  I do like an 
> occasional beer myself, but singularly, not in quantity, and I now keep 
> them further between... Instead of a weekly beer, anymore it's closer to a 
> monthly beer, just avoiding carbs (many of my geologist colleagues are hard 
> drinkers, but only a few would I classify as alcoholics (but there are 
> some); I enjoy a drink or two, but despise getting drunk, one and done is 
> great for me; but I completely understand, not even getting started if 
> that's what someone needs to do...).
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm 5' 7" and normally use 42 cm bars, but I got the 45 cm Rando and they
feel good. I couldn't recommend them for people who prefer wider bars, but
I guess it works just fine for Pete, so as always YMMV.

Toshi


On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> I actually have both 46 Noodles and 45 Randos. Surprisingly, even though
> I'm 6'3" I find the Randos more comfortable despite their being only 38cm
> at the hoods. Go figure. I use the drops less than 1% of the time, so I
> can't really comment. Also I ride almost 100% paved road, but I can see the
> wider bar being a big help off-road.
>
> Pete in CT
>
>
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Re: [RBW] that "nice bike" comment

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I'm in Oakland, CA, but was surprised when we took my wife's bike out for
her inaugural ride, we went to a bike path by our house, and there was a
couple walking on the path, and when we passed, the guy said, "Nice Betty."
I didn't expect that from a pedestrian.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment

[Montclair BobbyB]

Same here in Jersey... I had one guy look at my (double TT) Bombadil and 
ask "Hey, ain't that one of those Chinese Flying Pidgeons??"... I first 
shot him a 'you-gotta-be-kidding-me' look... but then just found it easier 
to reply, "Why yes... yes it is..."

On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:41:42 AM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  You think they’re rare there?  Try the great (small) State of Delaware!  
> I don’t think there are any in the whole state except mine.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Michael_S
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> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment
>
>  
>
> you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made 
> lugged steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years.  
> http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html
>  
>  
>  
> I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego 
> coast... almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars.  Oh. I see the 
> occasional Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth.
>  
>  
>  
> ~mike
>  
> Carlsbad Ca.
>  
>  
>   
>  
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[RBW] Re: lights

[Ron Mc]

I'm going to throw in a vote for Cygo lights for convenience - Expilion and 
Hot Shot combo.  They're inexpensive, lightweight, and go for hours and 
hours before needing a charge.  They plug into any USB, and a spare battery 
for the headlight is cheap enough if you want to carry a charged spare.  
Yes, you see them everywhere - it's for a reason.  Wouldn't claim they're 
the best lighting system for commuting, but a perfect choice for "in case I 
need a light"

On Monday, October 8, 2012 9:42:32 AM UTC-5, Don wrote:
>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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Re: [RBW] Re: lights

[Peter Morgano]

I do ride alot at night but not for hours at a time and have found my
MiNewt 250 light with Gino mount to be a great fit. Even on the lowest
setting it is bright enough to light up a dark bike path and will run for
about 3 hours. Now take into consideration I am in NYC where it is rarely
ever "pitch black".  on the brightest setting the light is crazy bright,
which i only use in high traffic situations to make sure I am seen. It is
defintely a "see and be seen light". Best part for me is tha it has a built
in batter, which makes it kinda large but I dont have to run any wires or
anything like that.  It was not a cheap light at 90 bucks but it charges in
5 hours, is sealed up tight to stop dirt and water and mounts securely.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> It's hard to beat a dynamo for reliability or convenience, but a full dyno
> set up is still a bit of an investment if you won't be using it regularly.
> However, you mention "touring" so it could be that even if you do most of
> your riding in daylight, not having to worry about batteries while you are
> out and about could make a dynamo system worthwhile for you. A decent
> headlight will eat batteries quickly, but if you only need "be seen" blinky
> lights then a set of batteries could last a whole tour with occasional use.
>
> -Pete (dynamo powered as of this morning!) in CT
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 10:42:32 AM UTC-4, Don wrote:
>>
>>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
>> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
>> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
>> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
>> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
>> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
>> Don
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment

[cyclotourist]

Seems like I run into a lot of 'em every time I'm there as well. That ore
Legoland...

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I saw lots of Rivs last time I was in Carlsbad. Sure, it was a SoCal Riv
> ride, which may show some bias.
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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Leslie]

Once upon a time, 20 years ago, I was a skinny 6', 145lb Marine... But after 
learning how to eat everything I could get my hands on, then getting out of 
constant activity and sitting on my duff for years of grad school, I found 
myself 10 years ago tipping the scales at 280lbs... I went on a carb-free diet 
for a year (no breads, no potatoes, no sugars, best I could manage), and 
finally got down to 200lbs.  

But something clicked in my head; er, rather, internally, something snapped, 
regardless of my head thinking otherwise... if I thought about not eating a 
roll, I ate the pan of rolls; if I thought about not eating a slice of pie, I 
ate the pie.  It was really weird, I just couldn't not eat carbs at all.  So, I 
gave up, went back to 'normal', and the weight crept back on.

Wanting to do something about it again, is when I got back into riding a few 
years ago; but as Grant's pointed out, riding alone won't drop pounds.  This 
past spring, seeing the scale back up at 260, I finally started watching the 
carbs again.  Took all summer, to get down to 235 now; that much weight 
actually dropped fast early on, but then I got stuck, and have been... For the 
past two months, I'm stuck at 235, 236, 237, and no more has come off...  I 
really want to get down to 200 (further, eventually, but 200 is my initial 
goal); so, since my diet alone, nor w/ biking is helping, I'm thinking about 
mixing a bit of running in, to help get the loss moving.  Aside from 'health', 
a large part of wanting to get my weight down, is to help my hill-climbing on 
my bikes

Patrick ( and Jim),
Tying your two thoughts together on alcohol: when I had the opportunity to 
spend a week in Albuquerque this past summer, I was shocked at the quantity of 
cheap liquor available even in WalMart there And noting the sizes of those 
purchasers buying in quantity, none were petite...  I do like an occasional 
beer myself, but singularly, not in quantity, and I now keep them further 
between... Instead of a weekly beer, anymore it's closer to a monthly beer, 
just avoiding carbs (many of my geologist colleagues are hard drinkers, but 
only a few would I classify as alcoholics (but there are some); I enjoy a drink 
or two, but despise getting drunk, one and done is great for me; but I 
completely understand, not even getting started if that's what someone needs to 
do...).

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RE: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Great report, Kelly, and great pics.  Some beautiful bikes.  And you lived up 
to your rep as a fully-equipped Tourer - that's quite a load on your Bomba!

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Subject: [RBW] GAP Ride Semi Report

I just got back from the C&O and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh.   It 
turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people.   Seven 
from St Louis and three from Detroit.  2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's in the 
group.
List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.   Amit and Tom made the entire 
ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.   (expensive 
but damn I was dead in my tracks)   Doesn't matter, the trip for me couldn't 
have been better.  Even finding a way back to the car was an adventure.We 
also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a fall.

it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, and 
Tom D out of Detroit.  They added an extra dimension to the ride and were fast 
friends to all from St Louis.

We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen.   
Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107


it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share it 
with my wife.

So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/

Enjoy

Kelly
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

[Peter Pesce]

I actually have both 46 Noodles and 45 Randos. Surprisingly, even though 
I'm 6'3" I find the Randos more comfortable despite their being only 38cm 
at the hoods. Go figure. I use the drops less than 1% of the time, so I 
can't really comment. Also I ride almost 100% paved road, but I can see the 
wider bar being a big help off-road.

Pete in CT

On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:45:36 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below "Drop Bar 
> Suggestions" thread... 
>
> I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if 
> there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand 
> position(s) and long ride comfort) 
>
> If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in 
> front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at 
> least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the 
> Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if 
> this is true in real life? 
>
> B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C 
> B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C 
> B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. 
> While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that 
> the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? 
>
> Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all 
> three) bars? 
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I saw lots of Rivs last time I was in Carlsbad. Sure, it was a SoCal Riv ride, 
which may show some bias.

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[RBW] Re: lights

[Peter Pesce]

It's hard to beat a dynamo for reliability or convenience, but a full dyno 
set up is still a bit of an investment if you won't be using it regularly. 
However, you mention "touring" so it could be that even if you do most of 
your riding in daylight, not having to worry about batteries while you are 
out and about could make a dynamo system worthwhile for you. A decent 
headlight will eat batteries quickly, but if you only need "be seen" blinky 
lights then a set of batteries could last a whole tour with occasional use.

-Pete (dynamo powered as of this morning!) in CT


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>
>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights 
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding 
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while 
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, 
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the 
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
>  

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Re: [RBW] lights

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The expense of a dynamo system is considerable, and battery lights have gotten 
very good even at low price-points. Obviously, battery lights require more 
daily planning/conservation. It comes down to weighing the expense of the 
dynamo vs the inconvenience of keeping your batteries charged during your tours.

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Supersize Me guy was remarkable for not only eating fast food for every 
meal, but for eating an extraordinary quantity of it. It seems that he likely 
consumed at least 500 cal of pure sugar or HFCS for every single meal. This is 
in addition to the non-sugar carbs, protein, and fat. 

My Chinese buddy in grad school put some weight on during his first year in the 
US. I hear McDonald's is an extravagance in China, reserved for special 
occasions. Here, he was able to enjoy such opulence on a daily basis. Also, he 
drank a lot of Coke.

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Re: [RBW] lights

[PATRICK MOORE]

I used a very wide variety of battery lights and three types of generators,
hub, bottle and bb. Here's my take:

If you ride just occasionally in the dark, battery lights -- if you choose
well and IF you can remember to charge or replace the batteries as needed
or bottles or bb dynamos are the best value.

If you ride a lot in the dark, hub dynamos are the best in that you get the
worry free advantage of a dynamo with the almost complete absence of
additional wheel resistance. That said, the best bottles and bb dynamos
aren't *that" bad.

The LED headlights made by German companies seem to give more useful
illumination than mega-candlepower non-shaped beams.

The brightest lights don't always give better useful illumination: I went
from an early HID system with "XXX lumens" that blinded my distance vision
by its excess of close-up brightness to 2 early "50 lumen" EO Tecs that let
me see as well as the HID system.

The better Shimano hubs plus the IQ Cyo is the best combination of low
drag, useful light, reliability, and cost.

Even cheap LED headlights -- the sub $40 kind -- are far, far FAR better
now than they were 10 years ago.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:42 AM, DON LYON  wrote:

>  I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights
> (front and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding
> but would like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while
> touring. I am thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands,
> models, placement. Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the
> experience of others will be a big help. Thanks
> Don
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[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report

[tdusky]

>
> Hi Sean


I was riding the 64cm Atlantis with Noodle Bars. Your handlebars choice 
depends on your riding style, and comfort, experiment and find what works 
for you. I have tried mustache bars and found my hands getting numb and the 
positions awkward, where others just love them. I have 5 bikes all 
with mustache bars and one with albatross bars I use for short trips to the 
store and around my neighborhood. Good luck.

Tom Dusky
Huntington Woods, MI

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[RBW] lights

[DON LYON]

I would appreciate a discussion of the various option of putting lights (front 
and rear) on my Sam H. I don't plan on doing much after dark riding but would 
like to have the illumination for dusk and dawn situation while touring. I am 
thinking of such things as: battery versus generator, brands, models, 
placement. 
Any insights would be appreciated. Benefitting from the experience of others 
will be a big help. Thanks
Don

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[PATRICK MOORE]

Forgot to include demographics close to home: Fat Hopi, Zuni, Navajo etc.
exquisitely inclined to diabetes after they left their traditional
squash/corn/ beans/game/mutton diets for refined carbs 'n' lard. (I've seen
families at the checkout counter with the standard 20 lb cloth bags of
bleached white flour + 5 gallon plastic pails of lard.)

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:26 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> There was plenty of protein and fat in this diet:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me
>
> Along with huge amounts of starch, of course. It would be interesting to
> discover (1) the breakdown of starch/fat/protein/what else? and (2)
> discover what made him gain 24 lb, starch only or fat too?
>
> I've read that skinny Chinese people become fat Chinese people after
> starting up on a western diet, but have no details.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think it was Taubes who said something to the effect of: if you're fat,
>> it's because of carbs. People who aren't fat are excluded by the first half
>> of the sentence, so all those rice-eating thin Chinese people need not
>> apply. I've never seen a fat person on the city bus snacking on bacon and
>> eggs. It's always pop or candy, and as Grant mentioned, there is a
>> correlation with ethnicity.
>>
>> Perhaps some overweight/obese person who doesn't eat grains, sugars,
>> and/or starchy veggies, will step forward, but in my experience and
>> observation, those people don't exist.
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RE: [RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

You think they're rare there?  Try the great (small) State of Delaware!  I 
don't think there are any in the whole state except mine.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: that "nice bike" comment

you've led a sheltered life Doug, Woodrup's are very nice British made lugged 
steel bikes that have been made for over 50 years.  
http://www.woodrupcycles.com/frames.html

I wish I saw more lugged steel bikes down here along the San Diego coast... 
almost everyone is on carbon fiber with tri bars.  Oh. I see the occasional 
Surly, but Riv's are rarer than hen's teeth.

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.


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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[PATRICK MOORE]

There was plenty of protein and fat in this diet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Size_Me

Along with huge amounts of starch, of course. It would be interesting to
discover (1) the breakdown of starch/fat/protein/what else? and (2)
discover what made him gain 24 lb, starch only or fat too?

I've read that skinny Chinese people become fat Chinese people after
starting up on a western diet, but have no details.

On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think it was Taubes who said something to the effect of: if you're fat,
> it's because of carbs. People who aren't fat are excluded by the first half
> of the sentence, so all those rice-eating thin Chinese people need not
> apply. I've never seen a fat person on the city bus snacking on bacon and
> eggs. It's always pop or candy, and as Grant mentioned, there is a
> correlation with ethnicity.
>
> Perhaps some overweight/obese person who doesn't eat grains, sugars,
> and/or starchy veggies, will step forward, but in my experience and
> observation, those people don't exist.
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[RBW] Grey Grid Shopsack

[Adam]

One more try. Anyone?

Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I think it was Taubes who said something to the effect of: if you're fat, it's 
because of carbs. People who aren't fat are excluded by the first half of the 
sentence, so all those rice-eating thin Chinese people need not apply. I've 
never seen a fat person on the city bus snacking on bacon and eggs. It's always 
pop or candy, and as Grant mentioned, there is a correlation with ethnicity.

Perhaps some overweight/obese person who doesn't eat grains, sugars, and/or 
starchy veggies, will step forward, but in my experience and observation, those 
people don't exist. 

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 07:59 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> 
> 5. Let's leave evolution and cave men out of it. To explain Primal or
> anything else by supposing we know what our distant ancestors did is
> to attempt to explain the still-not-completely-known by the entirely
> conjectural. 

Bravo!  Very well put, even for you (and you are known for well-turned
phrases).


> 
> I personally "feel" -- that's as scientific as it gets -- that eating
> huge amounts of refined sugar, Cheetos, Little Debbie Cakes, deep
> fried Mars Bars, or synthesized "pork rinds" -- note: real pork rind
> is wonderful! -- can't be healthy. For what *that's* worth. 

What is a "synthesized 'pork rind'"?  And why would anyone want to
synthesize it?  It's not like there's any kind of pork rind shortage,
only perhaps a shortage of people willing to admit they actually like
the stuff...



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[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

[Matt Beebe]

I tried the 135 Randonneur bars once but did not like the upsweep on them 
that much.Definitely prefer the slight back-sweep of the the Noodle.
I'm weird about width however because, though I'm 6'0.5" tall I have a 
narrow bird body with narrow shoulders, so 42cm Noodles feel plenty wide to 
me.   Tried 46's, even toured cross continent on them but in the end they 
are just too wide for me.   Noodles are tough bars but I still hope Riv 
comes out with a steel version one day.

-Matt


On Saturday, October 6, 2012 9:45:36 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote:
>
> Somewhat related, but without hijacking the below "Drop Bar 
> Suggestions" thread... 
>
> I have 46cm Noodles on two bikes.  I like them fine but wonder if 
> there is something to the flaring on the Randonneur.  (hand 
> position(s) and long ride comfort) 
>
> If you stand relaxed with your eyes closed and place your arms in 
> front of you, you'll notice that your hands are angled in a bit. (at 
> least mine are)  With this, it would seem that the flaring of the 
> Randonneur would provide a more natural hand position.  I wonder if 
> this is true in real life? 
>
> B-177 Noddle (46, 26.0) reach of 95 mm C-C and drop of 140 mm C-C 
> B-135 Rando (45, 25.4)  reach of 105 mm C-C and a drop of 120 mm C-C 
> B-136 Rando (44, 26.0) reach of 110 mm C-C and a drop of 125 C-C. 
> While 1 cm narrower than the B-135, the specs I'm looking at show that 
> the hoods would be 1 cm wider than the B-135, indicating more flare? 
>
> Can anyone comment with their real-world experience using both (all 
> three) bars? 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[PATRICK MOORE]

This is veering off into lala land. I think that we might agree on the
following:

1. Moderation! In our opinions.

2. It seems to be clear that Primal works for some people, at least for
some things -- maybe for all things, that is, maybe there are no down sides
to the benefits for these people, I don't know, I'm no scientists or
doctor. But too many whom we have no reason to believe a priori are
complete idiots claim that it does work for them.

3. Primal is not the only reasonable diet nor a universal prescription.
There are millions out there who do just fine -- that means, not only
remaining more or less normal weight, but in normal health -- on carb-based
diets, including traditional Native Americans and my Filipina mother. (She
has controlled type 2 diabetes for decades eating controlled amounts of
white rice, bread, pasta, gawdawful styrofoam chicken breasts, and no fat
or sugar or potatoes.)

4. For centuries if not millenia people over the world have thrived on very
different diets without succumbing to obesity or diabetes or heart disease
or nervous tics or herpes. Frozen whale blubber! Oatmeal! Posho! Chapattis!
Locusts and beetle larvae! Milk-and-blood, yum!

5. Let's leave evolution and cave men out of it. To explain Primal or
anything else by supposing we know what our distant ancestors did is to
attempt to explain the still-not-completely-known by the entirely
conjectural.

I personally "feel" -- that's as scientific as it gets -- that eating huge
amounts of refined sugar, Cheetos, Little Debbie Cakes, deep fried Mars
Bars, or synthesized "pork rinds" -- note: real pork rind is wonderful! --
can't be healthy. For what *that's* worth.

Can we please get back to helmets?

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[charlie]

Well stated Jim and Grant, its where I was coming from more or less.I 
hear the moderation suggestion all the time and like you Jim it just 
doesn't work for me. I also believe some try to sabotage my efforts 
subconsciously by offering up the moderation idea and frankly its a little 
annoying and keeps me from certain social situations which is 
also frustrating on the other hand. Its odd that when you buck the norm how 
much you notice what you are trying to avoid and how many people just don't 
get it. Probably why Scott C. has simplified his diet  and remains 
steadfast in his schedule..its just easier that way and something I'm 
trying to integrate into my life. Social situations and work make it more 
of a challenge however.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 5:20:45 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> I have lots to say about this. I'll try to be concise.
>
> "Extreme" is a loaded term, and may in fact be meaningless. For the 
> duration of the television age, at least, we've been advised by the 
> slickest marketers on earth to avoid the fat and cholesterol of eggs in 
> favor of the "whole grain goodness" of the latest manufactured breakfast 
> cereal (usually vaguely referencing some unspecified scientific authority). 
> Is avoiding manufactured breakfast cereal and returning to eggs an extreme 
> thing to do? A lot of people, including perhaps many doctors, seem to think 
> so. This attests to the power of marketing.
>
> My first "paleo" experience was following the lead of a friend who'd had 
> success with a very simple "no sugar, no grains" diet. I immediately 
> dropped the 20-30 pounds that had resisted all my previous efforts at 
> "moderation". I looked better and felt better. I ate like I did before - 
> meat, eggs, vegetables, fruit, nuts - but no bread and no sweets. Lots of 
> people thought my diet was extreme. "You don't eat bread? That's extreme!" 
> For some reason, their minds fixated on the idea that I was eating nothing 
> but bacon fat, even though I was likely eating more fresh vegetables and 
> fiber and basic nutrients than they ever did. 
>
> Several of the regulars on my Saturday morning breakfast ride have had 
> coronary blockages that resulted in bypasses and stents. They tell me "my 
> doctor says I can't have eggs/butter/bacon" as they order the tall stack of 
> pancakes and drown it with syrup. If that is indeed the soundest advice of 
> a medical professional regarding nutrition, I feel that my distrust of 
> doctors as nutritionists may be justified. 
>
> I quit drinking almost 10 years ago. I regard alcoholism and sugar/carb 
> addiction as two sides of the same token. After I quit drinking, and even 
> to this day, people who I recognize as alcoholics tell me: you just need to 
> learn to drink in moderation. To me a sip of booze is much the same as a 
> bite of chocolate cake. Moderation quickly goes out the window. I 
> understand this has to do with spiking blood sugar and the insulin 
> response, or inherited addictive tendencies, or insufficient will power, or 
> Satan, or whatever, but in practice, I know it's a lot easier if I just 
> abstain. Interestingly, the "paleo" diet thing gets a lot of the same 
> response as I received when I quit drinking. A lot of people are seriously 
> offended by it, trying to pull me back in by preaching "moderation" as a 
> better solution. Addicts feel threatened when one of their own turns over a 
> new leaf.
>
> As I travel my daily rounds through the seediest parts of the city, I see 
> a level of obesity out there that makes the obese people I knew 25-30 years 
> ago look slender by comparison. These people have the genetics that don't 
> allow them to process the foods they eat without putting on belly fat. I 
> know because my genetics are similar, and I'd be 400 pounds if I didn't 
> have some clue how to eat. Mix these fat-prone genetics with poor finances, 
> and no education/literacy or empowerment about nutrition or how to cook, 
> and the result is a person who is addicted to highly processed, sugary 
> substances. In many cases, these people have a zero fat, zero cholesterol 
> diet, yet they are enormous and unhealthy. Obviously this is an odd example 
> of a "low fat, low cholesterol" diet, but I think it's an example worth 
> considering as we evaluate various pillars of conventional wisdom.
>
> On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:08:18 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> The point of moderation is to prevent problems.  Once you've already got 
>> problems, it may be a different story. However, extremity in seeking weight 
>> loss may not be a good plan either.  I have known people who developed 
>> health problems as a result of the Adkins plan, the "primal" type stuff, 
>> etc.  I've also known people helped by it.  These are decisions to be made 
>> with the advice of a doctor, not an Internet mailing list or a blog or some 
>> other web site.
>>
>> My Dad was an insulin dependent diabetic fro

[RBW] Re: GAP Ride Semi Report

[SeanMac]

Kelly,

Thanks for the report and photos.  The trip that you took is one that I 
hope to do with my son someday.  Your photos helped me to gain a better 
sense of the conditions of the trail.  It was great to see (and read) that 
such a wide variety of bikes could handle the trail.

I do have one question.  I'm looking to buy a Sam Hillborne sometime in the 
not to distant future and one of my concerns is deciding between Noodle 
bars and Moustache bars.  I've never been on 'stache bars, but I find the 
idea kind of cool.  I'm wondering if the people who rode bikes on your tour 
were happy with their moustache bars - did they seem to enjoy the upright 
hand position while being on the trail or would they have preferred the 
Noodles - which seem to provide more opportunity to move hands around to 
avoid getting numb fingers?

Thanks,

Sean
East Aurora, NY

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 7:20:42 PM UTC-4, Kelly wrote:
>
> I just got back from the C&O and Allegheny Ride between DC and Pittsburgh. 
>   It turned out great with rain and a 10 person contingent of great people. 
>   Seven from St Louis and three from Detroit.  2 Bombadils and 2 Atlantis's 
> in the group.  
> List members that road were Amit, Tom, and I.   Amit and Tom made the 
> entire ride while I caught the flue and bailed with 70ish miles to go.   
> (expensive but damn I was dead in my tracks)   Doesn't matter, the trip for 
> me couldn't have been better.  Even finding a way back to the car was an 
> adventure.We also lost Amits brother to a knee injury suffered from a 
> fall.   
>
> it was a pleasure and I'm grateful to have met and rode with Amit, Sumeet, 
> and Tom D out of Detroit.  They added an extra dimension to the ride and 
> were fast friends to all from St Louis.  
>
> We were greeted upon our arrival in DC by Michael R on his A Homer HIlsen. 
>   Great guy and enjoyed spending part of the day with him.  
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/8064271265/in/set-72157631715248107
>
>
> it felt special to be a part of such a great group of people and to share 
> it with my wife.   
>
> So with no further ado, here are the bike porn photos. 
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tksleeper/sets/72157631715248107/with/8064271265/
>
> Enjoy
>
> Kelly
>

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[RBW] Re: Schwalbe Marathon Supreme update

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Because I have several bikes and a steady stream of new tires to try (and 
an easy outlet to get rid of half-used tires), I almost never wear out my 
tires. Nonetheless, the durability of Schwalbe's various touring tires 
stands out. A friend of mine had almost 9000 miles on a rear Marathon 
Supreme 26x2, but after he got his first flat, he gave in to the temptation 
to install the replacement/spare he'd purchased some time before. The tire 
was worn and full of glass chunks, but a cheapskate could have made it work 
for at least another 1000 miles, I think.

On Sunday, October 7, 2012 10:16:04 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Rivendell says they cost a lot, last forever & don't get flats.  2 our 
> 3 ain't bad (they do have a disclaimer on that).  In May 2011, I 
> installed a pair of 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my Atlantis.  They were 
> purchased "used" from a list member.  Whatever use he put on them did 
> not amount to much as I changed out the rear after over 7,500 miles & 
> ONE (count 'em!) flat.  It wasn't totally worn out but the moment was 
> right.  The front has had zero flats & looks good to go for another 
> couple of thousand or so. 
>
> In the meantime, I got a set of 45 mm Marathon Plus with Smart Guard 
> from another list member.  They have zero miles; they just didn't fit 
> his fenders.  One of those is on the rear now.  Being a bit wider and 
> about double the weight (1,070 grams of steel & ruibber), I don't 
> expect to have any further comment until perhaps 2014. 
>
> When you think about the cost per mile and the flat resistance, Riv's 
> statements are pretty much on target. 
>
> dougP 
>

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Re: [RBW] That Diet and Exercise thing again!

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have lots to say about this. I'll try to be concise.

"Extreme" is a loaded term, and may in fact be meaningless. For the 
duration of the television age, at least, we've been advised by the 
slickest marketers on earth to avoid the fat and cholesterol of eggs in 
favor of the "whole grain goodness" of the latest manufactured breakfast 
cereal (usually vaguely referencing some unspecified scientific authority). 
Is avoiding manufactured breakfast cereal and returning to eggs an extreme 
thing to do? A lot of people, including perhaps many doctors, seem to think 
so. This attests to the power of marketing.

My first "paleo" experience was following the lead of a friend who'd had 
success with a very simple "no sugar, no grains" diet. I immediately 
dropped the 20-30 pounds that had resisted all my previous efforts at 
"moderation". I looked better and felt better. I ate like I did before - 
meat, eggs, vegetables, fruit, nuts - but no bread and no sweets. Lots of 
people thought my diet was extreme. "You don't eat bread? That's extreme!" 
For some reason, their minds fixated on the idea that I was eating nothing 
but bacon fat, even though I was likely eating more fresh vegetables and 
fiber and basic nutrients than they ever did. 

Several of the regulars on my Saturday morning breakfast ride have had 
coronary blockages that resulted in bypasses and stents. They tell me "my 
doctor says I can't have eggs/butter/bacon" as they order the tall stack of 
pancakes and drown it with syrup. If that is indeed the soundest advice of 
a medical professional regarding nutrition, I feel that my distrust of 
doctors as nutritionists may be justified. 

I quit drinking almost 10 years ago. I regard alcoholism and sugar/carb 
addiction as two sides of the same token. After I quit drinking, and even 
to this day, people who I recognize as alcoholics tell me: you just need to 
learn to drink in moderation. To me a sip of booze is much the same as a 
bite of chocolate cake. Moderation quickly goes out the window. I 
understand this has to do with spiking blood sugar and the insulin 
response, or inherited addictive tendencies, or insufficient will power, or 
Satan, or whatever, but in practice, I know it's a lot easier if I just 
abstain. Interestingly, the "paleo" diet thing gets a lot of the same 
response as I received when I quit drinking. A lot of people are seriously 
offended by it, trying to pull me back in by preaching "moderation" as a 
better solution. Addicts feel threatened when one of their own turns over a 
new leaf.

As I travel my daily rounds through the seediest parts of the city, I see a 
level of obesity out there that makes the obese people I knew 25-30 years 
ago look slender by comparison. These people have the genetics that don't 
allow them to process the foods they eat without putting on belly fat. I 
know because my genetics are similar, and I'd be 400 pounds if I didn't 
have some clue how to eat. Mix these fat-prone genetics with poor finances, 
and no education/literacy or empowerment about nutrition or how to cook, 
and the result is a person who is addicted to highly processed, sugary 
substances. In many cases, these people have a zero fat, zero cholesterol 
diet, yet they are enormous and unhealthy. Obviously this is an odd example 
of a "low fat, low cholesterol" diet, but I think it's an example worth 
considering as we evaluate various pillars of conventional wisdom.

On Monday, October 8, 2012 1:08:18 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> The point of moderation is to prevent problems.  Once you've already got 
> problems, it may be a different story. However, extremity in seeking weight 
> loss may not be a good plan either.  I have known people who developed 
> health problems as a result of the Adkins plan, the "primal" type stuff, 
> etc.  I've also known people helped by it.  These are decisions to be made 
> with the advice of a doctor, not an Internet mailing list or a blog or some 
> other web site.
>
> My Dad was an insulin dependent diabetic from the age of 6, which he 
> developed as a consequence of having had polio in 1935.  He took two to 
> three shots of insulin a day for the rest of his life, which was about 25 
> years longer than he had been told to expect (he lived to be 67).  It's a 
> disease best prevented.  Even though he was compliant with diet and 
> treatment, it still took a toll on his health (coronary artery disease, 
> peripheral vascular disease, peripheral neuropathy but oddly no problems 
> with kidneys or eyes).  He had a great endocrinologist... It's so much 
> better not to need a great endocrinologist.  As a result I pay a lot of 
> attention since I may have an increased risk, although no doctor can tell 
> me for sure since diabetes does not run strongly in the family on either 
> side.  
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:49 PM, charlie > 
> wrote:
>
> Kind of agree and kind of don't...(for some) trying to lose fat, 
> moderation amounts to no prog

[RBW] Re: Opinions on Nitto 177 Noodle vs. Nitto B-135/136 Randonneur?

[Jay LePree]

I have ridden the 135 bar and absolutely loved it.  The drops reached back 
very far, and this would allow me shift way back on my saddle and still 
have a great grip on the bar when I became tired.  I switched to Noodles 
after putting on the Silver Shifter Barends because I was concerned that 
the extended reach back of the bars, coupled with the barends would have me 
hitting the barends.


Regards,

Jay
Demarest, Nj


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