[RBW] Re: Clem smith seat cluster

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bernard
Hmm, seatstay sockets in the seatpost lug. My Heron Road has that.

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:55 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Thanks Mike.  Now if we can just get the front end, we can start 
 discussing color(s). This is a really interesting project.

 dougP

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 6:51:00 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 here it is   http://instagram.com/p/rFw89dLxIS/

 ~mike

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 3:32:33 PM UTC-7, Hudson Doerge wrote:

 Seen on Instagram. Any more speculations on this project?

 -Hudson in atx. 



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Re: [RBW] week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Williams
Hey Kurt,  just to throw in,  rideshares on craigslist are sometimes an option, 
 ive used it a couple times,  just pay the peeps something ,  and let them know 
you have a bike and that you need a truck/ van situation and be flexible!   Its 
pretty easy,  only have to break down the bike minimally.  Hope this helps!  
-Mike 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Kurt Manley kurtaman...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week after 
 next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in mind to 
 take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon border and 
 ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was hoping to take the 
 coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train runs pretty far 
 inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft climb in one day in 
 an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get towards the coast. More 
 than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've just een [lottting routes on 
 MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better way? If I get off in Oregon it 
 might be too far to ride back to the bay area in a week? I'm probably good 
 for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop and explore and would love to fish 
 along the way. 
 
 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.
 
 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from you.
 
 Thanks!
 
 Kurt
 
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[RBW] Re: Recommend all silver triple FD for Bleriot build please.

2014-07-31 Thread Garth
Lunginsam, 


FWIW,  Shimano's claim about those flat bar derailleurs being for flat 
bar shifters is just marketing, otherwise it is false. Flat bar shifters 
are mtb shifters in cable pull. You can use it with indexed mtn shifters 
and certainly with friction !   The fd- r443 and all road triples are 
optimized/marketed for road rings, as opposed to their mtn FD's which are 
optimized/marketed for mtb rings.   It does not mean either or cannot be 
used with say, a 46 big ring.  As usual, the proof is in the applying it. 
I've read of people using the R443/4503 with as small as 44t big rings , so 
as far as I am concerned if you want a nice all silver clamp on FD, that is 
good choice. It comes with a 31.8 diameter clamp with a shim for 28.6.

Don't concern yourself with 8 , 9 or 10 speed derailleurs , as you are 
friction shifting !

If you order a fd-r443  online, just make sure it is in retail packaging 
that includes the shim, the oem's do not . Always ask if in doubt. You can 
always order a shim too .

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

2014-07-31 Thread Leslie
On Sunday, July 27, 2014 4:07:27 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:

 Ah, I see. I am a semantics person too so I appreciate the clarification. 
 On Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com javascript: 
 wrote:

  On 07/27/2014 04:01 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:
  
 So what does brass do, is just called patina? 

 corrosion

 On Jul 27, 2014 4:01 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 On 07/27/2014 02:17 PM, Goshen Peter wrote:

 Beautiful but how it says they don't rust, one of the nice parts of a 
 brass bell is watching it age and oxidize, and the sound is so unique.

 Not to be pedantic or anything (nobody would ever be pedantic on this 
 list) but since rust is iron oxide, brass does not rust.


The desired word here is 'tarnish'.   In this case, dealing with brass, it 
is an oxidation process.   As Steve pointed out, rusting is the oxidation 
of iron;  tarnishing is the oxidation of copper or brass.  (Though to be 
precise, a tarnish can form with other than 'oxidation'; if instead of 
oxygen, it was sulfur dioxide, or for silver, hydrogen sulfide... well, 
there's the whole reducing environment versus oxidizing environment... say, 
if you have available iron in an an oxidizing environment, yes, you can 
have hematite or magnetite forming (Fe2O3 or Fe3O4), but if it's a reducing 
environment, you end up with pyrites (FeS2, etc.) instead.  

One difference:  a tarnish is happening on the surface, and can form a 
'protective' layer for the underlying metal.   A rust, like a normal 'red' 
rust, can continue to see ongoing oxidation of iron.  (However, it is 
possible to get a 'black rust' to act as a tarnish, and keep the underlying 
iron from rusting. )

-L
(a geologist, trying to remember his chemistry)
 

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Re: [RBW] week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Addison Wilhite
I've done parts of the sierra cascades route from ACA that would be pretty
spectacular for some fishing.  We started in Portland but had to figure a
route to link up with the route that worked out well.  We hit Ashland for a
couple of days and at that point or soon after you'd need to cut towards
the coast probably if you are heading towards the Bay.  That's more than a
week of riding though for sure!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2010/07/portland-to-almost-reno-bike-tour.html?q=cascades


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On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:33 AM, Mike Williams mkernanwilli...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hey Kurt,  just to throw in,  rideshares on craigslist are sometimes an
 option,  ive used it a couple times,  just pay the peeps something ,  and
 let them know you have a bike and that you need a truck/ van situation and
 be flexible!   Its pretty easy,  only have to break down the bike
 minimally.  Hope this helps!  -Mike

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 30, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Kurt Manley kurtaman...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop
 and explore and would love to fish along the way.

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt

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[RBW] Re: How do I measure Q factor?

2014-07-31 Thread ascpgh
Measure each side to midline independently; some bottom brackets will use 
asymmetric spindles to best remove unneeded length from the left side. You 
might end up with a very small Q.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:07:32 AM UTC-4, rcnute wrote:

 Measure horizontally with a caliper or ruler from the center of the seat 
 tube bottle boss to the point where the pedal spindle meets the crankarm 
 (with crankarm parallel to seat tube).  Multiply by two.  There's probably 
 a better way but that's close enough for me.  

 Ryan

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:03:48 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

 ...without taking off the left crank arm...

 Any way to do it?

 I am curious as to how my two RBW bikes quack.

 Thanks for any info.



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[RBW] Re: How do I measure Q factor?

2014-07-31 Thread Kieran J
Another way is to simply mount the crank arms in the same orientation and 
just measure the dimension.

KJ


On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:03:48 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 ...without taking off the left crank arm...

 Any way to do it?

 I am curious as to how my two RBW bikes quack.

 Thanks for any info.



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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

2014-07-31 Thread Kieran J
Indeed, I'm looking at having a set of 650b A23s built, and it's been said 
that those rims actually do well with high tension. It does seem to be a 
case-by-case matter, rather than something inherent to the wheel size.

KJ


On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:13:16 AM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:


 The lower spoke tension talk you may have heard of is possibly from one or 
 two 650B rim models, but there is nothing inherent in a 650B build that 
 necessitates special tension consideration that is different from a 26 or 
 700c build. 


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[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

2014-07-31 Thread Garth


   The influence of the bell .  .  .  on bike or off :)  !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_MphtzCOEc

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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

2014-07-31 Thread Anton Tutter
Just an amateur builder here, having only built three wheels in my life 
(but hoping to do many more).  But I would defer to the rim manufacturer 
for recommended spoke tensions. Some extra lightweight rims are not rated 
for high spoke tension.  And some rim styles dictate lower or higher 
tension (e.g., V-rims generally tolerate more tension).

So far, my three wheels have held up well and haven't needed truing. I 
followed Jobst Brandt's The Bicycle Wheel from start to finish; seemed to 
be a very thorough guide into the physics of it all.

Anton






On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:07:00 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 So, if an LBS has done 700c and 26 wheels, but never 650b...is there 
 anything they need to know, or just build them like any other wheel?

 Anything special to 650b wheelbuilding?

 Only thing I have heard is spoke tension is sometimes lower on 650b rims, 
 depending on the rim model/manufacturer.

 Thanks for any info.


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[RBW] Re: How do I measure Q factor?

2014-07-31 Thread Anton Tutter
My method is:


   1. Rotate one crank arm so that it is parallel with the seat tube
   2. measure with a caliper from the outer face of the crank at the pedal 
   threads to the far end of the seat tube (i.e., the measurement includes the 
   distance to the seat tube AND the diameter of the seat tube).
   3. Repeat steps 1 and 2 for the other crank arm.
   4. Measure the diameter of the seat tube alone.
   5. Add the values you got for each crank arm, and subtract the value 
   from step 4 (since it got added twice).

That's your Q.

Anton, who many people consider a quack.



On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:03:48 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

 ...without taking off the left crank arm...

 Any way to do it?

 I am curious as to how my two RBW bikes quack.

 Thanks for any info.



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[RBW] Re: Clem smith seat cluster

2014-07-31 Thread Olivier Chételat
...and here it is again in its most detached state:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/13913719057/

and here too:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/olipop/8916539620/in/set-72157633131041745

Good day, fine bunch!

Oli

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[RBW] Manny spotted in Lycra

2014-07-31 Thread Manuel Acosta
Dont believe it. No picrures. Never happened. I call shiniageas!

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Jim M.
The train is cool but Greyhound will take you from Oakland to Eureka. There 
are many ways to ride from Eureka back to Oakland, including touring 
through the Lost Coast area. 

jim m
wc ca

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] FS: 58cm SimpleOne, Phil Wood BB, Nitto Mini-Front Rack, 650b SS Wheelset, Tubus Fly, Sugino Cranks

2014-07-31 Thread justinaugust
Sugino crank claimed. 
Nitto mini front claimed.
Marks Rack acquired

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Two thoughts/questions - completely unsubstantiated!

1) does Amtrak offer boxed bikes (or better, roll-on) service through
to Dunsmuir (where, when running on the advertised, you'll arrive in
the middle of night)?

2) I've heard Amtrak offers bus connections (w/ through-checked
luggage i.e. bike box!), I think all the way up the 101 / Redwood
Highway. If I understand correctly, some / a short train connection is
all that's requires - e.g. Jack London Square to Emeryville.

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 7/31/14, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 The train is cool but Greyhound will take you from Oakland to Eureka. There

 are many ways to ride from Eureka back to Oakland, including touring
 through the Lost Coast area.

 jim m
 wc ca

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in

 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon

 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the
 train
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to
 stop
 and explore and would love to fish along the way.

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding
 time
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that

 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from

 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] silver shifters question

2014-07-31 Thread jandrews_nyc
I have a pair of silver bar-end shifters with some broken / missing parts.
Can I buy the less expensive down tube version that Riv sells and mount 
them on the existing bar-end pods that I already have?
Is there a special piece I'd be missing?
thanks
Jason

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[RBW] Re: Crane bell metals and quick reviews. Forget frame metals discussion. Lets talk bells!

2014-07-31 Thread William!
It doesn't win any style points, but my favorite bell is this one:
http://www.mirrycle.com/road_bell.php

Because dinging and slowing down tend to coincide. But alas, they don't 
work with my brake levers =(.

William

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 7:12:47 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:



The influence of the bell .  .  .  on bike or off :)  !

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_MphtzCOEc



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[RBW] Re: Manny spotted in Lycra

2014-07-31 Thread BSWP
Mani-Pedi... now where have I heard that before?

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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Avery Wilson
After selling my Sam Hillborne frame to a fellow list member, and 
consolidating all the parts I want on my new-to-me A. Homer Hilsen, I'm 
left with a nice smattering of parts. Here they are!

Albastache Bars, Heat-treated Alu, 26.0mm clamp, used for one week.. not 
for me - $85 shipped.

46cm Nitto Noodle Bars, HT Alu, 26.0mm clamp, used a year, switched to 
albatross and I'm not going back - $65 shipped

8cm Tallux 26.0mm clamp- used a week with albastache, virtually no wear. 
$70 shipped

No-name stem. Looks cool 25.4 clamp - $free with any other purchase if you 
want it!

8cm Nitto DirtDrop stem, very used, loved - $65 shipped. I know its 
expensive, but I'm attached to it.

Sugino XD triple, ramped and pinned rings, used a year, less than 1500 
miles. a little dirty, good condition - $100 shipped

Tektro TRP RRL brake levers, gum hoods. Some wear on the hoods, 
mechanically fine - $75 shipped

Shimano road brake levers - $40 shipped

Dura Ace Downtube shifters, used, great condition - $50 shipped

Tektro R559 brakes - 2 SETS - one with silver lettering and silver pad 
holders, the other with black lettering, black pad holders and koolstop 
pads - $55 a set shipped.

Shimano triple front deraileur, FD4603 - Tiagra - removed decal though - 
$35 shipped

MKS pedals, great bearings, spin nice - $25 shipped

Pictures prove I've got the goods 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/sets/72157645082505418/ :) 
--- click the link!

Paypal is fine as long as you cover the fees. Postal money order is fine as 
well.

Please reply off list.  Deals can be had for shipping if you want multiple 
parts. ie bars, stem, brakes, etc.

Thanks,

Avery


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[RBW] Re: fs: Nitto Highrider rack + mounting bits

2014-07-31 Thread Eric
Bump

$140 shipped / $130 picked up. 

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[RBW] Re: silver shifters question

2014-07-31 Thread Avery Wilson
Short answer - yes. However the downtube shifters have a different washer. 
The bar end version has a circular washer with a square hole in it. The 
downtubers have the same washer, but with a little tang, or stop that would 
prevent you from using it on a bar end pod.

Sorry, its hard to explain without pictures. Maybe someone else can chime 
in as well.

Avery I have one downtube and one bar-end on the same bike Wilson

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:14:18 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:

 I have a pair of silver bar-end shifters with some broken / missing parts.
 Can I buy the less expensive down tube version that Riv sells and mount 
 them on the existing bar-end pods that I already have?
 Is there a special piece I'd be missing?
 thanks
 Jason


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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Avery Wilson
Albastache and dirt drop pending.

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:38:32 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote:

 After selling my Sam Hillborne frame to a fellow list member, and 
 consolidating all the parts I want on my new-to-me A. Homer Hilsen, I'm 
 left with a nice smattering of parts. Here they are!

 Albastache Bars, Heat-treated Alu, 26.0mm clamp, used for one week.. not 
 for me - $85 shipped.

 46cm Nitto Noodle Bars, HT Alu, 26.0mm clamp, used a year, switched to 
 albatross and I'm not going back - $65 shipped

 8cm Tallux 26.0mm clamp- used a week with albastache, virtually no wear. 
 $70 shipped

 No-name stem. Looks cool 25.4 clamp - $free with any other purchase if you 
 want it!

 8cm Nitto DirtDrop stem, very used, loved - $65 shipped. I know its 
 expensive, but I'm attached to it.

 Sugino XD triple, ramped and pinned rings, used a year, less than 1500 
 miles. a little dirty, good condition - $100 shipped

 Tektro TRP RRL brake levers, gum hoods. Some wear on the hoods, 
 mechanically fine - $75 shipped

 Shimano road brake levers - $40 shipped

 Dura Ace Downtube shifters, used, great condition - $50 shipped

 Tektro R559 brakes - 2 SETS - one with silver lettering and silver pad 
 holders, the other with black lettering, black pad holders and koolstop 
 pads - $55 a set shipped.

 Shimano triple front deraileur, FD4603 - Tiagra - removed decal though - 
 $35 shipped

 MKS pedals, great bearings, spin nice - $25 shipped

 Pictures prove I've got the goods 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/122008974@N05/sets/72157645082505418/ :) 
 --- click the link!

 Paypal is fine as long as you cover the fees. Postal money order is fine 
 as well.

 Please reply off list.  Deals can be had for shipping if you want multiple 
 parts. ie bars, stem, brakes, etc.

 Thanks,

 Avery




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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Avery Wilson
Albastache and dirt drop pending...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Chen
Makes total sense. Every time I pack my winter bag into my drysack as tight
as possible I think to myself, man, a summer bag would take up 1/4 of this


On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:41 PM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh, forgot to mention, the whole reason for the change in setup was to get
 more weight from the front to the back, but my previous sleeping pad, bag,
 and stove took up the whole bag. Now I can fit more, smaller stuff and
 leave the front for food and small things. Luckily these are all things I
 needed anyway for future family camping trips with the wife and kiddo.


 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 8:35:07 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 Entmoot inspired! I now can fit my tent (big agnes seedhouse 2), sleeping
 bag (new JRB shenandoah), sleeping pad (neoair xlite), jetboil, clothes,
 and air pillow in my medium sackville saddlebag at 12.5 lbs. plus bike
 tools. Super excited. Leaves my front basket with a shopsack for food,
 toiletries, scenty things, whiskey, and other random items. ready to roll!
 now I just need to find a free weekend between now and 2030. anyone for a
 mt diablo juniper  or pt. reyes run in September (I know, its a long ways
 away, but I have 3 out of town trips in august! Still new to the bike
 camping with my new Hunqapillar and gear, but not camping camping.

 also, anyone else just stuff their tent in the stuff sack? or is the
 proper way to roll it and minimize creases? both short and long term
 storage? I realize there's a million camping sites to ask this, but I tend
 to hang out here more.

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[RBW] Re: Tuning Brake Squeal

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wet plus insanely steep grade single track on the Continental  Divide Trail 
gave me some spectacular tones and pulsing beats as the brakes were 
clenched near full. But I was paying more attention to the trail and rocks 
and thousand foot drops should I bungle it, so I have no idea the tone (and 
like Michael, wouldn't know any road!). It is a fansinating question, and 
one that no doubt will lead to the Rivendell Rim Brake Band at the next 
Entmoot. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick



On Tuesday, July 29, 2014 11:02:32 AM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 Riddle me this, Batman!  What causes different pitches in brake squeal?  
 (I got to thinking about this given the bell thread.) Here are the 
 instruments:

 Bike one:  Pitch is a high D.  Quickbeam with 700c Araya TX310F rims, 
 Shimano cantilever brakes with koolstop pads (model unknown; whatever cam 
 stock on a QB), Shimano Tiagra Road Brake Levers, and panaracer paselas.  

 Bike two:  Pitch is a low E (yes, almost an octave between the two 
 bikes).  Custom with 26 Aeroheat rims, Paul Touring canti's with koolstop 
 pads, Shimano MTB silver brake levers, and Big Bens.

 Let the theories commence!

 Inquiringly yours,
 RCW

 PS. They sound like a great two-tone car horn when braking simultaneously.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Rando Rambo

Hi Avery, 

sugino triple crank - what size (looks like 170mm)?  and what gearing  
46/36/26 ?

and dura ace downtube - what model is it?  7400 or 7700?   

thanks in advance,

Bob

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm SimpleOne, Phil Wood BB, Nitto Mini-Front Rack, 650b SS Wheelset, Tubus Fly, Sugino Cranks

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Schiller
Dang Justin... I had a nice 8cm Nitto Deluxe stem to trade with cash for 
that mini Campee rack.

anyone else have one they want to sell?

~mike
Carlsbad Ca.

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:47:57 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Folks-
 My fiancé and I made it to Oakland in one piece and thanks to TapeBubba we 
 now have a matching pair of his Saluki and hers Betty. This plus a desire 
 to simply make more with less leads me to downsize even more stuff. I'm not 
 using it so hopefully it will bring some of you out there happiness.

 Pictures  Detailed Information (please read before emailing or posting 
 ?'s) are here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1f9gW7 or 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/sets/72157646060803134/

 Email justin...@gmail.com javascript: or text (304) 266-6720
 Pickup is available and preferred in Oakland. Also posting this on 
 Craigslist, to be warned.

 Rivendell SimpleOne 58cm $750 + shipping.
 Includes Frame/Fork/Headset/Thomson Seatpost/113mm Bottom Bracket.
 Great frame. Has some beausage and goop on it from shipping to me that I 
 never got off. I would rate paint as 8/10 as it's seen some round the year 
 commuting in Philly. Would prefer not to ship.

 Tubus Fly - $75
 Nitto Mini-Front Campee - $90
 Paul Mini Moto (Black) - $200 for two wheels worth. Low miles, best 
 canti-stud mounted brake I've used. Works with regular pull levers
 Sugino XD2 Double Crankarms 170mm - $50 (no rings!)
 650b SS/Fixed Wheelset - $300
 Velo-Orange 650b Diagonale rims laced 32 spokes to Velo-Orange Grand Cru 
 bolt on hubs. Fixed/Fixed rear but a freewheel works just fine. Would 
 prefer not to ship.
 Phil Wood 111mm BB. $75
 Comes with english rings and installation tool.
 Velo-Orange 80mm (I think, it's short!) stem, 25.4mm clamp - $25

 Offers accepted but prices are fairly low already.

 ***Trades I'd be interested in***
 Mark's Rack
 Nitto Bullmoose bars.
 650b rear wheel suitable for (not extreme!) off-road duty.
 Nitto 80mm 26.0 stem.
 

 Thanks!
 -Justin


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[RBW] Re: fs: Sackville Saddle Sack XS (Green + Grid Grey)

2014-07-31 Thread Eric
Both are SOLD.

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[RBW] Re: silver shifters question

2014-07-31 Thread David Spranger
You can turn the washer so that the little tang is pointed the opposite 
direction or just cut the tang off completely and it will work. 

David 
Charlotte, NC

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:48:24 PM UTC-4, Avery Wilson wrote:

 Short answer - yes. However the downtube shifters have a different washer. 
 The bar end version has a circular washer with a square hole in it. The 
 downtubers have the same washer, but with a little tang, or stop that would 
 prevent you from using it on a bar end pod.

 Sorry, its hard to explain without pictures. Maybe someone else can chime 
 in as well.

 Avery I have one downtube and one bar-end on the same bike Wilson

 On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:14:18 PM UTC-4, jandrews_nyc wrote:

 I have a pair of silver bar-end shifters with some broken / missing parts.
 Can I buy the less expensive down tube version that Riv sells and mount 
 them on the existing bar-end pods that I already have?
 Is there a special piece I'd be missing?
 thanks
 Jason



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Re: [RBW] Manny spotted in Lycra

2014-07-31 Thread Aaron Young
Nothing wrong with looking the part. :)

-Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, July 31, 2014, Evan Baird vanster...@gmail.com wrote:

 But was he also wearing sandals?

 On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:26:45 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I took my mom and her two sisters to the SF Giants game today.  We took
 BART to the City, grabbed some food at the Ferry Building and went to hire
 a pedicab for a ride to the yard.  Manny was my pedicab driver!  And he was
 rocking his San Francisco Randonneurs Lycra kit!  Small world.

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[RBW] Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Wow. Wow. Wow!

The plan was six days, but I needed to come out two days early because vertigo 
and scree (rocks that slip under your feet) do not play well together.

Wow. Things really seem to be getting dialed in in terms of gear and bike. The 
Albastache (vs Albatross) bars and 2.25 wide Smart Sams (vs 50mm Duremes) made 
climbing and descending the technical parts (which was most of it) far easier. 
I've honed down my gear such that everything weighs roughly 35 pounds, 
including water, hatchet, and firebox.

For me, with brain injury and sensitivity to noise and scents, I try and avoid 
ATV's and their ilk. I failed to do this heading in (it's a popular ATV road to 
the trail head). Fortunately it was still early enough that it was lightish 
traffic and I made unmotorized single track fairly quickly. The climb up to the 
tundra was wonderful and the time on the tundra was stunning.

Rain, fog, sleet, hail, with accidental storms of sunshine was the weather. 
When you have stunning, epic views, these weather system make for amazing 
beauty. Wow.

Lots of LCG (lowest common gear). If the trail went up, it didn't mess around 
it went UP. Grant is right, bikers are biathletes. Grin. More time to admire 
the stunning alpine flowers going off like slow motion fireworks.

Got to descend an old narrow gage rail bed, the line used to transport coal and 
supplies for gold mines. The ties were still down for much of it, though half 
filled in and round down, which made for a bouncy, fun ride!

All in all a fantastic trip that pushed my boundaries, and the boundaries 
pushed back. Always good to know where those puppies are so I can push them 
more wisely next time. Grin. Getting to ride on the alpine tundra is an amazing 
blessing.

Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645664039089/

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread Liesl
Hi Friends,

I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced pain 
in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is bad 
enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's riding 
related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two ago from 
thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth between 
seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the height 
off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, but 
then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

here's the most previous thread I looked at

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ

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[RBW] Re: silver shifters question

2014-07-31 Thread Bill Lindsay
Jason

Yes, you can do it.  You have Silver Barcon Shifters.  Those barcon 
shifters came with the round flat washer spacer thing with the big square 
hole in it.  Life is good.

When you buy the downtube version, you will receive a flat washer spacer 
thing with a big square hole in it with a tang on it.  You will set those 
aside and continue to use the one without a tang that came with your barcon 
shifters.  You don't have to cut any tang off to make the right part, 
because you already have the right part.  Life is good.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 9:14:18 AM UTC-7, jandrews_nyc wrote:

 I have a pair of silver bar-end shifters with some broken / missing parts.
 Can I buy the less expensive down tube version that Riv sells and mount 
 them on the existing bar-end pods that I already have?
 Is there a special piece I'd be missing?
 thanks
 Jason


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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Why do you think Grant carries hatchets? Grin.

I'm no help for what may or may not work on the bike. However, what you 
describe sounds like condramylagia (sp?), which I got growing up and had 
two surgeries for by the time I was 17. Basically, the cartilage under the 
knee cap is tearing. Here is what helped mine:

-- muscle strengthening. I do squats, very slow up and down. As well as 
trail run and bike regularly. As your quads build up, the pain should 
decrease significantly.
-- real bone broth. We have this regularly year round. Simmer bones in a 
pot for 24 hours with a tablespoon of vinegar. Once the broth is gone, 
repeat. Till the bones are gone (or we eat them). This gives your body the 
raw building materials for structural healing, bones, tendons, etc. We use 
oxtail.
-- Walk and run with better alignment and motion. I don't know if this can 
be done other ways or not, but I know going barefoot as often as possible 
does this.

Heal well!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
 cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

 Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
 pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
 bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
 riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
 ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
 between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
 height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
 but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
 steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
 driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
 dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
 finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
 right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

 Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

 here's the most previous thread I looked at


 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ


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Re: [RBW] Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Williams
So beautiful Patrick!!   Thanks for sharing

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 31, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Wow. Wow. Wow!
 
 The plan was six days, but I needed to come out two days early because 
 vertigo and scree (rocks that slip under your feet) do not play well together.
 
 Wow. Things really seem to be getting dialed in in terms of gear and bike. 
 The Albastache (vs Albatross) bars and 2.25” wide Smart Sams (vs 50mm 
 Duremes) made climbing and descending the technical parts (which was most of 
 it) far easier. I’ve honed down my gear such that everything weighs roughly 
 35 pounds, including water, hatchet, and firebox.
 
 For me, with brain injury and sensitivity to noise and scents, I try and 
 avoid ATV’s and their ilk. I failed to do this heading in (it’s a popular ATV 
 road to the trail head). Fortunately it was still early enough that it was 
 lightish traffic and I made unmotorized single track fairly quickly. The 
 climb up to the tundra was wonderful and the time on the tundra was stunning.
 
 Rain, fog, sleet, hail, with accidental storms of sunshine was the weather. 
 When you have stunning, epic views, these weather system make for amazing 
 beauty. Wow.
 
 Lots of LCG (lowest common gear). If the trail went up, it didn’t mess around 
 it went UP. Grant is right, bikers are biathletes. Grin. More time to admire 
 the stunning alpine flowers going off like slow motion fireworks.
 
 Got to descend an old narrow gage rail bed, the line used to transport coal 
 and supplies for gold mines. The ties were still down for much of it, though 
 half filled in and round down, which made for a bouncy, fun ride!
 
 All in all a fantastic trip that pushed my boundaries, and the boundaries 
 pushed back. Always good to know where those puppies are so I can push them 
 more wisely next time. Grin. Getting to ride on the alpine tundra is an 
 amazing blessing.
 
 Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645664039089/
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick
 
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 www.OurHolyConception.org
 
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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Schiller
not sure where you are starting but I drove to SF, left my car, and rented 
a car one-way to the Arcata Airport.  I then rode thru the Redwoods and 
back to my car 5 days later.  Avg was 70 per day.

~mike
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[RBW] Re: Refined S240 setup!

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
My sleeping bag is my down jacket, pants, and booties. Works down to about 
20˚F. Also, strapping things on top of the saddle sack works really well. 
That's where my hatchet, tent, and sleeping pad (cut down to core only size 
for summer) go. That's on a large rather than medium: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/14793144771/

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Mike Schiller
gorgeous terrain and a fantastic trip. I'd love to ride that area some day. 
  I did notice some shoes?

~mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Avery E Wilson
The triple is a 170 crank arms and 26-36-46.

The dura ace shifters are 7700 series.
Thanks!
On Jul 31, 2014 2:03 PM, Rando Rambo rambora...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hi Avery,

 sugino triple crank - what size (looks like 170mm)?  and what gearing
 46/36/26 ?

 and dura ace downtube - what model is it?  7400 or 7700?

 thanks in advance,

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Mike, Ha! Yes. I've been persuaded by various roots and rocks applying 
their arguments to my toes that shoes are a good idea. These are the shoes 
I run in. ZemGear Terra line.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sugino XD Triple, Albastache, Noodles, Brakes, Brake Levers, Downtube shifters, MKS, Stems etc!

2014-07-31 Thread Bill Lindsay
I'll take the shifters if Rambo Rando does not take them.  PM sent..

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:49:26 PM UTC-7, Avery Wilson wrote:

 The triple is a 170 crank arms and 26-36-46.

 The dura ace shifters are 7700 series. 
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 Hi Avery, 

 sugino triple crank - what size (looks like 170mm)?  and what gearing  
 46/36/26 ?

 and dura ace downtube - what model is it?  7400 or 7700?   

 thanks in advance,

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[RBW] WTB: Silver Hupe or Similar Saddlebag Support.

2014-07-31 Thread David Banzer
Like the title says, I'm looking for a Silver Hupe.
Or something similar?
Please contact me offlist if you can if you have something to spare.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Addison Wilhite
I would just second the idea of one way car rentals which can often get you
exactly where and when you want to start and are pretty reasonable compared
to Amtrak.  I love the romantic notion of the train/bus thing but sometimes
if you are on a schedule a rental car saves so much in the way of
headaches.


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 a car one-way to the Arcata Airport.  I then rode thru the Redwoods and
 back to my car 5 days later.  Avg was 70 per day.

 ~mike
 Carlsbad Ca.


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[RBW] 3D lugs?

2014-07-31 Thread DS
http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/31/evo/

Interesting ideaat least for the average commuter looking for a 
(hopefully) cheap-ish commuter bike. Key thing being versatility. One thing 
I like in the video is how he says that most  bikes look like a 
frankenstein of parts. One thing I love about the Rivendell ecosystem is 
that it is a tight knit group of parts (nitto racks, sackville bags, wald 
baskets, newbaums bar tape, etc) that make it really easy to make an 
attractive looking and versatile bike. But outside of that Rivendell 
ecosystem, it doesn't seem to work very well and the frankenstein of parts 
rings true. I've tried to build riv-ish bikes with cheaper parts, doesn't 
look good. The downside to this project bike is that the parts all seem 
proprietary and 3d printed, potentially cheap quality. 

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Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

2014-07-31 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 07/31/2014 05:41 PM, DS wrote:

http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/31/evo/

Interesting ideaat least for the average commuter looking for a 
(hopefully) cheap-ish commuter bike. Key thing being versatility. One 
thing I like in the video is how he says that most  bikes look like a 
frankenstein of parts. One thing I love about the Rivendell ecosystem 
is that it is a tight knit group of parts (nitto racks, sackville 
bags, wald baskets, newbaums bar tape, etc) that make it really easy 
to make an attractive looking and versatile bike. But outside of that 
Rivendell ecosystem, it doesn't seem to work very well and the 
frankenstein of parts rings true. I've tried to build riv-ish bikes 
with cheaper parts, doesn't look good. The downside to this project 
bike is that the parts all seem proprietary and 3d printed, 
potentially cheap quality.




I don't care what parts you put on it, there's no way that Evo is ever 
going to look good.  The other part of the Riv ecosystem you don't 
mention is faithfulness to classical design principles.  You really have 
to work at making a Riv look bad.  It can be done, of course; nothing is 
idiot proof because idiots are so resourceful, but they really do have 
to work at it.



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[RBW] I believe a good deal was had

2014-07-31 Thread James Warren

http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-SAM-HILLBORNE-BICYCLE-60CM-/171393727972?pt=US_Bicycles_Frameshash=item27e7dcbde4autorefresh=true



No connection. I just happened to be watching ebay as it ended.

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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread Mattt

I had knee pain and I found I needed to stretch my Iliotibial band (otherly 
known as the IT Band).  An internet search of IT band stretches will 
provide plenty of variety.  Try stretching it out before and after rides.  
It is a free solution that might work.


Matt

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Ron Mc
and me, I thought toe socks were a fad

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:51:12 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Mike, Ha! Yes. I've been persuaded by various roots and rocks applying 
 their arguments to my toes that shoes are a good idea. These are the shoes 
 I run in. ZemGear Terra line.

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: fs: Rivendell Atlantis 56cm (2012) complete

2014-07-31 Thread Eric
Photos!!!

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Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

2014-07-31 Thread David Stein
I agree, would never get one...it looks plasticy and cheap, and I love my
rivendell and vintage bike restorations because of those design principles.
My point is that the scope of the project is interesting, at least from the
perspective of how people are trying to look at a mass produced bike that
is practical and versatile with a commuter in mind. But yes, design wise,
anything that modern looking, especially 3d printed, will never have that
classic design and not appeal to this thread as a whole.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 07/31/2014 05:41 PM, DS wrote:

 http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/31/evo/

 Interesting ideaat least for the average commuter looking for a
 (hopefully) cheap-ish commuter bike. Key thing being versatility. One thing
 I like in the video is how he says that most  bikes look like a
 frankenstein of parts. One thing I love about the Rivendell ecosystem is
 that it is a tight knit group of parts (nitto racks, sackville bags, wald
 baskets, newbaums bar tape, etc) that make it really easy to make an
 attractive looking and versatile bike. But outside of that Rivendell
 ecosystem, it doesn't seem to work very well and the frankenstein of parts
 rings true. I've tried to build riv-ish bikes with cheaper parts, doesn't
 look good. The downside to this project bike is that the parts all seem
 proprietary and 3d printed, potentially cheap quality.


 I don't care what parts you put on it, there's no way that Evo is ever
 going to look good.  The other part of the Riv ecosystem you don't
 mention is faithfulness to classical design principles.  You really have to
 work at making a Riv look bad.  It can be done, of course; nothing is
 idiot proof because idiots are so resourceful, but they really do have to
 work at it.



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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread Michael Hechmer
Whatever else is going on, it is probably swollen, even if not visibly. 
 Start with cold packs to reduce that.  Pain is nature's way of telling us 
to stop.  Heed it.  Consult with a really good (do your research) physical 
therapist or chiropractor might be your second response.  Be kind to you 
Self.

Have you ever heard the one about the man accosted at gun point and asked, 
your money or your life?  He thought for a moment and said, You better 
take my life, I need the money for my old age.

This is not a time to save your money.

Michael

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:39:18 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
 cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

 Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
 pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
 bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
 riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
 ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
 between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
 height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
 but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
 steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
 driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
 dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
 finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
 right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

 Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

 here's the most previous thread I looked at


 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ


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Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

2014-07-31 Thread Ron Mc
it remains a concept.  It's written as if its a real bike and 
3D-metal-printed lugs matter.  Not too many bike shops are going to have 
$700,000 metal 3D printers.  I've seen one, and the owner doesn't actually 
make parts with it - they make models with it.  

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 5:18:00 PM UTC-5, DS wrote:

 I agree, would never get one...it looks plasticy and cheap, and I love my 
 rivendell and vintage bike restorations because of those design principles. 
 My point is that the scope of the project is interesting, at least from the 
 perspective of how people are trying to look at a mass produced bike that 
 is practical and versatile with a commuter in mind. But yes, design wise, 
 anything that modern looking, especially 3d printed, will never have that 
 classic design and not appeal to this thread as a whole.


 On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Steve Palincsar pali...@his.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 On 07/31/2014 05:41 PM, DS wrote:

 http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/31/evo/

 Interesting ideaat least for the average commuter looking for a 
 (hopefully) cheap-ish commuter bike. Key thing being versatility. One thing 
 I like in the video is how he says that most  bikes look like a 
 frankenstein of parts. One thing I love about the Rivendell ecosystem is 
 that it is a tight knit group of parts (nitto racks, sackville bags, wald 
 baskets, newbaums bar tape, etc) that make it really easy to make an 
 attractive looking and versatile bike. But outside of that Rivendell 
 ecosystem, it doesn't seem to work very well and the frankenstein of parts 
 rings true. I've tried to build riv-ish bikes with cheaper parts, doesn't 
 look good. The downside to this project bike is that the parts all seem 
 proprietary and 3d printed, potentially cheap quality.

  
 I don't care what parts you put on it, there's no way that Evo is ever 
 going to look good.  The other part of the Riv ecosystem you don't 
 mention is faithfulness to classical design principles.  You really have to 
 work at making a Riv look bad.  It can be done, of course; nothing is 
 idiot proof because idiots are so resourceful, but they really do have to 
 work at it.



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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka 
to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small 
detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during 
the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that 
hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of 
opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.  

Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not. 

For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop 
opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish 
-- then south-ish.

But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

Peter

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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Och! No! R.I.C.E. does nothing but inhibit the body's natural healing 
mechanisms (increased blood flow to bring nourishment and haul away the 
refuse). The inventor of R.I.C.E. essentially calls it 
bunk. 
http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/ice-age-melting-rice-may-no-longer-be-the-treatment-of-choice-for-injuries/

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 1:39:18 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
 cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

 Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
 pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
 bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
 riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
 ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
 between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
 height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
 but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
 steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
 driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
 dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
 finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
 right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

 Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

 here's the most previous thread I looked at


 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ


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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Anne Paulson
If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay
attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of
Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.  At
this time of year, with this drought, Usal Beach probably has no water
other than sea water.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:35 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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[RBW] Re: Oregon Coast Tour 2014

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
What a great trip! Do tell about the cheese and the plastic gaters!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 28, 2014 5:05:51 PM UTC-6, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 After two years since the last tour, got to finally find the time to get a 
 tour in for the summer. The one type of riding that got me hooked on 
 biking. 
  
 Lots to write about and reflect. Good amount of photos. Stay tune on the 
 flickr for Single Photo Tour Recaps. 

 I'll try to pick and choose a photo that best describes each day. 
  
 Until then..
  
 Pictures Proved that riding your bike and stopping a lot is good for your 
 soul:
 https://flic.kr/s/aHsjZQrutT
  
 Manny Hey no one died Acosta


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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
Amtrak bus connection to Eureka:
http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Pagecode=EKA

On 7/31/14, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:
 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Joe Bunik
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/page/?o=ax9Unpage_id=164570v=I3

http://www.amtrak.com/california-train-bus-stations

=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

On 7/31/14, Joe Bunik jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Amtrak bus connection to Eureka:
 http://www.amtrak.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=am/am2Station/Station_Pagecode=EKA

 On 7/31/14, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 wrote:
 Good suggestions so far.  My thoughts, either Eugene to Eureka, or Eureka
 to San Francisco.  Both are about right for distance, with lots of small
 detour opportunities.  I'd be nervous about relying on campgrounds during
 the peak family outing season of the year, but my understanding is that
 hiker-biker campsites usually have room for one more.  Plenty of
 opportunities for discrete camping.  Lost Coast is a GREAT idea.

 Eugene is served by Amtrak; Arcata-Eureka is not.

 For something different and easily accessed, there are possible loop
 opportunities out of Santa Rosa -- Cloverdale-ish -- Stewarts Point-ish
 -- then south-ish.

 But Eureka - Lost Coast is the best idea that I've heard.

 Peter

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Re: [RBW] 3D lugs?

2014-07-31 Thread Chris Chen
Well I guess to them it speaks the same design language

It doesn't look bad, I wonder how it rides, and if it's any fun. If my
suspicions are correct, it'll be really twitchy and it won't be any fun to
ride. But I'm happy to be proven wrong!


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:41 PM, DS davecst...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://techcrunch.com/2014/07/31/evo/

 Interesting ideaat least for the average commuter looking for a
 (hopefully) cheap-ish commuter bike. Key thing being versatility. One thing
 I like in the video is how he says that most  bikes look like a
 frankenstein of parts. One thing I love about the Rivendell ecosystem is
 that it is a tight knit group of parts (nitto racks, sackville bags, wald
 baskets, newbaums bar tape, etc) that make it really easy to make an
 attractive looking and versatile bike. But outside of that Rivendell
 ecosystem, it doesn't seem to work very well and the frankenstein of parts
 rings true. I've tried to build riv-ish bikes with cheaper parts, doesn't
 look good. The downside to this project bike is that the parts all seem
 proprietary and 3d printed, potentially cheap quality.

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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread grant
Dang, I just tried to send a response with lotsa detail, and it crashed and 
I lost it, so here's the short versionL

Raise you saddle to compensate for the pedal height diff. You aren't 
getting enough leg extension, and consequently the back of your kneecap is 
rubbing on the cartilage and causing inflamation which leads to more 
rubbing and the pain. Go up and down stairs.If it hurts, then so far this 
diagnosis is correct.

It came on suddenly, and it'll go away in two days max if you let the 
swelling go down and don't continue the hard low-saddle pedaling.

It's a saddle height thing, which is much better than a what's happening 
to LIESL ??!! thing.

That's my guess. 

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
 cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

 Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
 pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
 bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
 riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
 ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
 between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
 height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
 but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
 steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
 driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
 dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
 finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
 right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

 Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

 here's the most previous thread I looked at


 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/short$20crank/rbw-owners-bunch/vJf-xAPTC-Q/cNWWDMyIb1YJ


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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread dougP
Kurt:

For a week, either Eurika / Arcata to the Bay Area or the Oregon coast.  
But they're each a week at a touring pace.  I've done both  feel that 
section of the northern California coast is more interesting than Oregon.  
Maybe because on my Oregon trips that was toward the end.  Their both well 
worth doing.  Oregon actually has better camping options as they have more 
state facilities with hiker-biker sites.  NorCal is pretty un-populated 
(part of the draw) but not as extensive camping options.  Lots of big trees 
provide plenty of cover if you need to be creative.

Mike's one-way car suggestion is the easiest logistics provided you can get 
a decent rate.  One-ways are dependent on the car agency's need to get 
surplus cars from one place to another, usually between airports.  The 
airport at Eureka is small so not as many agency options.  But check it 
out.  I've done lots of one-ways and you have to make lots of phone calls 
to get the best deal.  

Bus service will mean boxing your bike on Greyhound.  Amtrak is a lot more 
flexible.  They have a policy that says bikes be boxed.  But I've seen 
people talk to the driver  wind up stuffing their bikes into the luggage 
bin after all the other luggage is loaded.  A bit of a crap shoot.  Up to 
the driver and today's load.  Any time near the start of classes at 
Humboldt State they'll be busy.

The time I used Greyhound we left Oakland mid to late afternoon,  arrived 
in Arcata near midnight.  We knew that going in, so no surprise.  We kinda 
forget how much of California there is north of the Bay Area.  IIRC it's 
around 300 miles  Greyhound stops a lot.  You meet some interesting 
characters on Greyhound.  

dougP

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Refined S240 setup!

2014-07-31 Thread hsmitham
I was told a long while ago that you want to stuff tent and rain fly to prevent 
creases. That's how I've been doing it for years. Also folding them is so 
obsessively compulsive.

It's a great feeling to have a compact camping outfit. 

Enjoy. 

FWIW...If your in the Bay Area I suggest a quick overnight to Sam P. Taylor 
State Park. Then ride Bolinas Ridge. Absolutely amazing. 

~Hugh

~Hugh

~Hugh

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Zack
amazing.  thanks for posting Patrick!  with abandon, indeed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch
On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:40:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay 
 attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of 
 Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.It 
 isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.


Good to hear from someone who actually knows what she is talking 
about.  :-)  Southbound at Ferndale, I agonized over whether or not to add 
Mattole Road to my day.  I suspect I might have found that I had bitten off 
more than I wanted to chew. On the other hand, I was only considering the 
northern part of the Lost Coast area, Petrolia - Honeydew.

~pb 

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm SimpleOne, Phil Wood BB, Nitto Mini-Front Rack, 650b SS Wheelset, Tubus Fly, Sugino Cranks

2014-07-31 Thread justinaugust
Updated with sold items and the verrry nice addition of a vintage Sugino 
crank at the bottom.
Pictures  Detailed Information (please read before emailing or posting 
?'s) are here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1f9gW7 or
https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/sets/72157646060803134/

Email justin...@gmail.com or text (304) 266-6720
Pickup is available and preferred in Oakland.

Rivendell SimpleOne 58cm $750 + shipping.
Includes Frame/Fork/Headset/Thomson Seatpost/113mm Bottom Bracket.
Great frame. Has some beausage and goop on it from shipping to me that I 
never got off. I would rate paint as 8/10 as it's seen some round the year 
commuting in Philly. Would prefer not to ship.

Sugino Mighty Tour crank. 171mm. 110bcd. $100
This is perhaps the nicest crank I've ever had my hands on. It's a gorgeous 
110bcd compact double (comes with 34/52 rings that're original to it, but 
a 48 has been mounted instead of 52. Comes with all 3.). This was bought 
NOS from Via Bicycle in Philly and ridden around the city on my Bleriot 
and Saluki. Condition is 9/10 still I'd say. Including the Truvativ 113mm 
bottom bracket and spacers that I used to get it to work on my Saluki. Not 
guaranteeing this is the ideal BB for it.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-L_3RFR0oC6w/U9rfPwnD6-I/AXE/0jfxscHl4Go/s1600/IMG_0573.JPG


Tubus Fly - $75
Paul Mini Moto (Black) - $150 for two wheels worth. Low miles, best 
canti-stud mounted brake I've used. Works with regular pull levers
650b SS/Fixed Wheelset - $300
Velo-Orange 650b Diagonale rims laced 32 spokes to Velo-Orange Grand Cru 
bolt on hubs. Fixed/Fixed rear but a freewheel works just fine. Would 
prefer not to ship.
Velo-Orange 80mm (I think, it's short!) stem, 25.4mm clamp - $25

Offers accepted but prices are fairly low already.

***Trades I'd be interested in***
Nitto Bullmoose bars (modern, from Rivendell)
650b rear wheel.
Nitto 80mm 26.0 stem.


Thanks!
-Justin

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 9:47:57 PM UTC-7, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey Folks-
 My fiancé and I made it to Oakland in one piece and thanks to TapeBubba we 
 now have a matching pair of his Saluki and hers Betty. This plus a desire 
 to simply make more with less leads me to downsize even more stuff. I'm not 
 using it so hopefully it will bring some of you out there happiness.

 Pictures  Detailed Information (please read before emailing or posting 
 ?'s) are here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsk1f9gW7 or 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/sets/72157646060803134/

 Email justinaug...@gmail.com or text (304) 266-6720
 Pickup is available and preferred in Oakland. Also posting this on 
 Craigslist, to be warned.

 Rivendell SimpleOne 58cm $750 + shipping.
 Includes Frame/Fork/Headset/Thomson Seatpost/113mm Bottom Bracket.
 Great frame. Has some beausage and goop on it from shipping to me that I 
 never got off. I would rate paint as 8/10 as it's seen some round the year 
 commuting in Philly. Would prefer not to ship.

 Tubus Fly - $75
 Nitto Mini-Front Campee - $90
 Paul Mini Moto (Black) - $200 for two wheels worth. Low miles, best 
 canti-stud mounted brake I've used. Works with regular pull levers
 Sugino XD2 Double Crankarms 170mm - $50 (no rings!)
 650b SS/Fixed Wheelset - $300
 Velo-Orange 650b Diagonale rims laced 32 spokes to Velo-Orange Grand Cru 
 bolt on hubs. Fixed/Fixed rear but a freewheel works just fine. Would 
 prefer not to ship.
 Phil Wood 111mm BB. $75
 Comes with english rings and installation tool.
 Velo-Orange 80mm (I think, it's short!) stem, 25.4mm clamp - $25

 Offers accepted but prices are fairly low already.

 ***Trades I'd be interested in***
 Mark's Rack
 Nitto Bullmoose bars.
 650b rear wheel suitable for (not extreme!) off-road duty.
 Nitto 80mm 26.0 stem.
 

 Thanks!
 -Justin


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[RBW] Re: 650b wheel building question

2014-07-31 Thread M D Smith
I've always understood that the higher the tension, the stronger the wheel.

I haven't re-read the Brandt book for a number of years, but isn't his 
technique effectively get the spokes so tight that the wheel starts to taco, 
then back off a bit?

Mike in Htfd CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Anne Paulson
The Unknown Coast (Mattole Road to Honeydew, then over Panther Gap) is
fantastic. And there is water at Honeydew, and AW Way is a good campground
that has water.  The route is steep, but I highly recommend that loop.

I still have not done the Lost Coast. I planned to do it last September. I
called the rangers about water, and was told there was no water at Usal
Beach. My friend and I were going to do it anyway, and carry water, but
then when we got to Eureka it started raining and raining and raining.
Water wouldn't have been a problem any more, but we were warned that we'd
find the roads impassable in the mud.


On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 5:25 PM, 'pb' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 On Thursday, July 31, 2014 3:40:45 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:

 If you're contemplating doing the dirt part of the Lost Coast, pay
 attention to water. I'm pretty sure there is no water to be had south of
 Wailaki campground, until you get to Westport: no faucets, no creeks.It
 isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.


 Good to hear from someone who actually knows what she is talking
 about.  :-)  Southbound at Ferndale, I agonized over whether or not to add
 Mattole Road to my day.  I suspect I might have found that I had bitten off
 more than I wanted to chew. On the other hand, I was only considering the
 northern part of the Lost Coast area, Petrolia - Honeydew.

 ~pb

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[RBW] I believe a good deal was had

2014-07-31 Thread Tony DeFilippo
Anyone here pick up the green beauty!?! Someone did get a nice deal, happy 
riding!

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[RBW] WTB: Silver Hupe or Similar Saddlebag Support.

2014-07-31 Thread David Banzer
Obtained!
David

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm SimpleOne, Phil Wood BB, Nitto Mini-Front Rack, 650b SS Wheelset, Tubus Fly, Sugino Cranks

2014-07-31 Thread justinaugust
Paul brakes are sold. 

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[RBW] FS/WTT- Nitto handlebars, Schwalbe Supreme tires, Maxy Fasty 650b tires, TRP brake levers and more...

2014-07-31 Thread justinaugust
I'll take that 70mm stem. 

-J

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[RBW] WTB: Silver Hupe or Similar Saddlebag Support.

2014-07-31 Thread Christopher Murray
DONT DO IT!!! 

Seriously, be very careful. These have a history. You don't want to ruin an 
expensive paint job. If you are aware of this, then I apologize for butting in!

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread DS
Fantastic photos, looks like a blast! Next time you gotta try it with the 
Quickbeam ;)

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:37:08 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Wow. Wow. Wow!

 The plan was six days, but I needed to come out two days early because 
 vertigo and scree (rocks that slip under your feet) do not play well 
 together.

 Wow. Things really seem to be getting dialed in in terms of gear and bike. 
 The Albastache (vs Albatross) bars and 2.25” wide Smart Sams (vs 50mm 
 Duremes) made climbing and descending the technical parts (which was most 
 of it) far easier. I’ve honed down my gear such that everything weighs 
 roughly 35 pounds, including water, hatchet, and firebox.

 For me, with brain injury and sensitivity to noise and scents, I try and 
 avoid ATV’s and their ilk. I failed to do this heading in (it’s a popular 
 ATV road to the trail head). Fortunately it was still early enough that it 
 was lightish traffic and I made unmotorized single track fairly quickly. 
 The climb up to the tundra was wonderful and the time on the tundra was 
 stunning.

 Rain, fog, sleet, hail, with accidental storms of sunshine was the 
 weather. When you have stunning, epic views, these weather system make for 
 amazing beauty. Wow.

 Lots of LCG (lowest common gear). If the trail went up, it didn’t mess 
 around it went UP. Grant is right, bikers are biathletes. Grin. More time 
 to admire the stunning alpine flowers going off like slow motion fireworks.

 Got to descend an old narrow gage rail bed, the line used to transport 
 coal and supplies for gold mines. The ties were still down for much of it, 
 though half filled in and round down, which made for a bouncy, fun ride!

 All in all a fantastic trip that pushed my boundaries, and the boundaries 
 pushed back. Always good to know where those puppies are so I can push them 
 more wisely next time. Grin. Getting to ride on the alpine tundra is an 
 amazing blessing.

 Pictures: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645664039089/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
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Re: [RBW] FS/WTT- Nitto handlebars, Schwalbe Supreme tires, Maxy Fasty 650b tires, TRP brake levers and more...

2014-07-31 Thread Bruce Smitham

Sounds good Justin. You can PayPal me at: bsmit...@jlohr.com then give me your 
address and I can ship tomorrow.

Thanks,

Bruce 


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 I'll take that 70mm stem. 
 
 -J
 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

2014-07-31 Thread William!
This went un-pending. To anyone who is interested, it is still available. 
Also, here are some measurements:

Seat tube length, c-t-c: 60cm
Top tube length, c-t-c: 57cm
Head tube length, : b-t-t: 19cm

On Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:06:47 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:

 Sale pending

 On Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:22:25 AM UTC-7, William! wrote:

 $499 for list members, $550 for the unwashed masses. More info here:
 http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/4515526421.html



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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread dougP
Just watched Reveal the Path on Netflix.  Patrick, I think you've found 
the path without messing about with overseas travel, passports, etc..  
Adventure can be right our your back door.  Fantastic!

dougP

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:37:08 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Wow. Wow. Wow!

 The plan was six days, but I needed to come out two days early because 
 vertigo and scree (rocks that slip under your feet) do not play well 
 together.

 Wow. Things really seem to be getting dialed in in terms of gear and bike. 
 The Albastache (vs Albatross) bars and 2.25” wide Smart Sams (vs 50mm 
 Duremes) made climbing and descending the technical parts (which was most 
 of it) far easier. I’ve honed down my gear such that everything weighs 
 roughly 35 pounds, including water, hatchet, and firebox.

 For me, with brain injury and sensitivity to noise and scents, I try and 
 avoid ATV’s and their ilk. I failed to do this heading in (it’s a popular 
 ATV road to the trail head). Fortunately it was still early enough that it 
 was lightish traffic and I made unmotorized single track fairly quickly. 
 The climb up to the tundra was wonderful and the time on the tundra was 
 stunning.

 Rain, fog, sleet, hail, with accidental storms of sunshine was the 
 weather. When you have stunning, epic views, these weather system make for 
 amazing beauty. Wow.

 Lots of LCG (lowest common gear). If the trail went up, it didn’t mess 
 around it went UP. Grant is right, bikers are biathletes. Grin. More time 
 to admire the stunning alpine flowers going off like slow motion fireworks.

 Got to descend an old narrow gage rail bed, the line used to transport 
 coal and supplies for gold mines. The ties were still down for much of it, 
 though half filled in and round down, which made for a bouncy, fun ride!

 All in all a fantastic trip that pushed my boundaries, and the boundaries 
 pushed back. Always good to know where those puppies are so I can push them 
 more wisely next time. Grin. Getting to ride on the alpine tundra is an 
 amazing blessing.

 Pictures: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157645664039089/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
 *www.OurHolyConception.org http://www.OurHolyConception.org*
  


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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
Anne, I'm looking into some routes from that area. Thanks! Micheal, I just 
put an ad on craigslist looking for a ride, thank you!

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: FS: VO City/Gentlemen Frame 650B, NOS TA Pro 5 Vis Cranks, NOS Schmidt SON Classic 650B 36 spoke 650B wheel

2014-07-31 Thread David Mayne
These have all been sold. Thanks for all the responses !

David


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 5:23 PM, David Mayne dma...@gmail.com wrote:


 Hello,

 I have a VO City/Gentlemen semi-custom frame/fork - this one was built in
 2008 by Ahren Roger, a predecessor of the VO polyvant city bike frame. It
 has only partially been built up, and never ridden. It was designed to
 handle 650B up to 42mm tires (Hetres do fine), with 52mm fenders (without
 any bending), has downtube brazons, can take front and rear derailleur, has
 low trail fork. The frame has seat and chainstay lugs, otherwise filet
 brazed, lugged fork, fender eyelet/ braze-ons, wire/light braze-ons on
 front fork, 2 water bottle braze-ons. Comes with VO 1 threaded headset
 installed.

 Seat Tube CTC - 53cm
 Tope Tube CTC - 54cm
 Wheelbase 104cm
 Semi Horizontal dropouts, 135mm rear dropout spacing.

 Seat/seatpost in pic not included.

 I originally paid about $1400 for this. Asking $275 for local pickup in
 Seattle. Will consider shipping if no local buyer found. I never finished
 building the bike up, as my knees gave out, and now I am moving.

 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/cb01.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/cb02.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/cb04.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/cb05.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/cb06.jpg

 NOS TA Pro Vis Cranks, 165mm 26-34-46 rings. Mounted once on BB, never
 mounted chain or pedals. $150 + shipping.

 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/ta01.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/ta02.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/ta03.jpg

 NOS Schmid SON Classic, 36 spoke 650B wheel built by Peter White -
  Synergy/Velocity rim - never ridden. $200.00 for local Seattle pickup only.

 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/son01.jpg
 http://localsavingtips.com/bike/son02.jpg

 Thanks,

 David




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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ron, no separate toes on these (The ninja toe option doesn't work for me).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Advice needed on knee pain (yet another thread)

2014-07-31 Thread redsydude
I have a very similar pain and I think it would just heal but for a knee 
high Australian shepherd that crashes into me 200 times a day. 

On Thursday, July 31, 2014 12:39:18 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 Hi Friends,

 I looked back at previous threads, most notably the link below on short 
 cranks and knee pain; however, perhaps this question is slightly different.

 Over the past week or a bit longer, I've developed a really pronounced 
 pain in my right knee.  It's on under the front part of my kneecap and is 
 bad enough that I stopped riding and am limping a bit.  I do think it's 
 riding related.  Here's some info:  I switched pedals maybe a week or two 
 ago from thin griptsters to sneaker pedals.  I switched back and forth 
 between seats/seatposts during this time as well, and may have gotten the 
 height off.  The right knee was bothering me a little bit during this time, 
 but then really got sore two days ago when I rode up a short but extremely 
 steep hill that I usually walk up (for locals, it was the long bit of 
 driveway between pleasant and w. irvine ave adjacent to Ramsey hill).  I 
 dropped down to granny gears and sat part of the way and then stood up to 
 finish the hill.  The next meaning I was just about hobbled—but only my 
 right knee.  Left knee is fine as can be.

 Suggestions?  Advice?  Thanks in advance...

 here's the most previous thread I looked at


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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
Addison, how long di what you did take you?

On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: Continental Divide 4 day Bikepack

2014-07-31 Thread Deacon Patrick
Peter, it's Hilleberg's Akto. We also have their Nano 3-person. Highly 
recommend it. It's handled -30 or lower (thermometer bottomed out), hail, 
stunning downpours and high winds extremely well -- best of any tent I've 
ever had. For me, shelter needs to be substantial enough to actually 
provide shelter under those conditions, so the ultralight stuff is out.

Mike, Ha! Yes. I've been persuaded by various roots and rocks applying 
their arguments to my toes that shoes are a good idea. These are the shoes 
I run in. ZemGear Terra line.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS: numerous parts/accessories - 650B MB Trimline tires, NSmyth saddlebag, DirtDrops, CP brakes, etc

2014-07-31 Thread David Mayne
Nigel SmythBig Box Saddlebag, new never used, bought from Rivendell in 2008
for $235. Looks to measure 14w x 11h x 11l Asking $130 plus shipping

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Viva Saddle Bag Support, new in pkg, used to be sold by Velo Orange, mounts
to seat post. Asking $35 plus shipping.

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Nitto Dirt Drop Stem, 8cm insertion marks, very good condition, little use.
Asking $40 + shipping

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Nitto Dirt Drop Handle Bar RM013, 52cm, glue from tape, good condition.
Asking $40 + shipping

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1 pair Mitsuboshi Trimline 650B x 38mm Tires, New, asking $80 for the pair
+ shipping

Shimano RX100 Brake Levers, Used, Good Condition - Asking $20 + shipping

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Inline brake cable quick release, 2 headset mount, 1 cable inline. New.
Asking $10 plush shipping

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Shifter Bundle: 2 used Shimano 8 speed barend shifters, good condition, 1
pair Rivendell Silver Friction Shifters, cable stuck, needs dremel tool to
extract, 1 pair SunRace Thumbshifters, new - Asking $30 + shipping for the
bundle

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3 SRAM pc58 8 speed chains, NIB. Asking $10 + shipping

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Toe Clip Bundle - 3 new Large size Zefal Racing, 1new Medium, 2 pair misc
used. Asking $15 + shipping for the bundle.

Cartridge Bottom Bracket Bundle - 2 IRD Quad QB55 68x122 bottom brackets
NIB, 1 Shimano UN73 68x113, 1 Shimano UN73 68x110, 1 Shimano UN54 68x118 -
Asking $25 + shipping

1 Real Lite Blinkie NIB, huge and BRIGHT, with spare used unit (broken
lense)  - asking $25 plus shipping

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Rivendell Tiger Eye Rear View Mirror, Glass Frame mount, NIB $10 + shipping

NIB Shimano 8 speed Bar End Shifters - Asking $30 + shipping

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3 Misc Used Mini Pumps - $10 + shipping

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2 Berthoud Leather Mudflaps, New $10 + shipping

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Dia Comp Model 750 Centerpull Brake Bundle  2 pairs front and rear, no
straddle cables - asking $25 + shipping

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1 E3 Supernova Headlight, New - asking $30 + shipping

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Kool Stop Brake Pads - Asking $10 + shipping

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Dia Comp Guidonnet Brake Levers, NOS - Asking $20 + shipping

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Chain Guard Bundle - New, Asking $15 + Shipping

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Cork HandleBar Ends - NOS - asking $10 + Shipping

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Make an offer if the price is too high.

Thanks !

David

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[RBW] Re: week long tour ideas in Northern California or Oregon

2014-07-31 Thread Kurt Manley
So much good info here! I had not thought of one way car rental. That might 
be the ticket. I put a rideshare ad on craigslist, we will see what 
happens. Gabe messaged me off the list and said it's likely I wouldn't be 
able to offload my bike from the train in Dunsmuir as there is no luggage 
ramp there. 

Thanks so much for all the advice!!! Super helpful, please keep it coming.



On Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:19:19 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 I'm looking to do a 1 week solo tour on the proto Hunqapillar the week 
 after next and could use some help picking a route. I had a loose plan in 
 mind to take the Coast Starlight from Oakland to Somewhere near the Oregon 
 border and ride back. After doing some mapping I'm not so sure. I was 
 hoping to take the coast down to avoid the inland August heat but the train 
 runs pretty far inland. If I get off at Dunsmuir it looks like a 6000 ft 
 climb in one day in an area thats likely to be near 100 degrees to get 
 towards the coast. More than I want to bite off.  Maybe I'm wrong? I've 
 just een [lottting routes on MApMyRide.com. Maybe someone knows a better 
 way? If I get off in Oregon it might be too far to ride back to the bay 
 area in a week? I'm probably good for around 60 miles a day. I like to stop 
 and explore and would love to fish along the way. 

 I'm open to different routes, areas, or modes of transpo to get up there 
 (wherever that might be) but would love to hear from some folks who have 
 toured in far Northern Cal or Oregon. Maybe I'll take the train further 
 north, ride for a while then take it back. It just cuts into my riding time 
 with that much train travel.

 If you have a good week long route that I can get to via train or bus that 
 won't be crazy hot in August and don't mind sharing I'd love to hear from 
 you.

 Thanks!

 Kurt



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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Ritchey Road Logic Frame, fork and Chris King headset

2014-07-31 Thread bingomck
William, do you know what size tires front and rear this will fit? 

Thanks! 

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