Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Jim Bronson
I use Pearl Izumi sun sleeves if the humidity is not too high, they work great.

However, if it's really humid and 90+, they're worse than useless,
better just to go with bare arms/legs and an extra helping of
sunscreen.

Or are you talking about only your head?  I don't know, I have tons of
hair and don't get burnt on top.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:12 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:
 What's good at blocking sunlight, while at the same time not getting
 overheated from too thick a material for a covering?

 Helmets are vented and I get burned. What do you find that works? I notice
 some of you do all day riding so I figured you would have good ideas.

 I'm talking 80-105F and in direct sunlight. What works?

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread 'hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch
Here's what I use:

http://www.treadley.com.au/
 
This little cottage industry was developed by a concerned mother in 
Australia.  They can look a bit goofy but work fantastic.  If I remember 
correctly she had a big sale right around Easter last year.

Matt

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[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Sam vs. Cheviot?

2015-03-21 Thread Liesl
First decision point:  Long chain stays or not? no=Sam; yes=clem/clementine 
or cheviot

Second decision point:  fattiest tires?  yes=clem/clementine

Third Decision point:  top tube or not? yes=Clem or Sam; no=Clementine or 
Cheviot

Fourth decision combopoints:  how much can I spend, am I a build-perfecter, 
and am I rough-ride fretter?  Thinking of Bill's post, if you're a build 
perfecter, go with a Sam or Cheviot.  If you're a rough-ride fretter, go 
with the Clem/clementine

Feel free to mix up the order of the questions.

Personally, bikes with fat tires and long chain stays are the absolute 
bomb!  They go anywhere and couldn't be more comfy.  I'm just glad I'm done 
making decisions!
-RCW


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[RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
For those of you on this list who aren't on the iBob list, I have ordered a
3 sp fixed hub for a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt. I'd be interested
in impressions of it from those who have used one but haven't commented
already. In particular:

1. How does it hold up long term? Scuttlebutt says that early models
sometimes broke quickly and that later ones don't. Comments?

2. Lash: I've read 3 or 4 degrees and 10 degrees; annoying and not
really noticeable. Comments?

3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is really
not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 3-speed. That is
fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when I don't feel like
riding a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired days; longer rides; windy
days; and so forth. Comments?

4. Adjustment: many said that adjustment is finicky. A few said it's not --
just follow the instructions. Comments?

5. Bearing play: several said that the cones loosen up after a few miles
and that you need to re-adjust them. True?

6. Wear-in: Many said that the indirect gears feel looser after 100 miles;
some said the wear in a bit more up to the 200 mile point. Your experience?

7. Related: Drag: many said that they could not feel additional drag in
gear 2 (25% reduction); many also said that #1 drags much more; again, many
said things get better after use. Your experience?

#7 will be of particular use since I have the option of setting the hub up
with 3d = direct as cruising gear (70) and have two rather low climbing
gears; or setting it up with 2d as cruising, 3d as downhill, and 1st as a
closer climbing gear: say: 91-70-57 inches.

OTOH, I'm going to see if I can't use a 17 t *and* a 14 t on the driver so
that I have a direct drive cruising gear, climbing gears, and an 85
downhill gear (LBS could not source a 13 t cog).

I've thought of getting a similar wheel for the gofast, but I hesitate: the
gofast has been meant to be a pure fixed no-additions gofast, and I think
instead I'll simply add a 17/21 Dingle to the flip side of the hub (46/15
or 75 cruising gear; 66 lazy gear; and 54 climbing gear.)

What I *really* need is a 3d custom identical in all ways except for a 1X9
derailleur drivetrain. OTOH, if I did that, I'd need* 2 more* customs: one
dressed up with lights and fenders and rack and luggage; the other as a
derailleur gofast. No wait, *3 more,* because 

[Oh shut up.]

Anyway, back to the S3X: your shared experience welcomed. Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 03/21/2015 01:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:


3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is 
really not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 
3-speed. That is fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when 
I don't feel like riding a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired 
days; longer rides; windy days; and so forth. Comments?


You'd better not try coasting.


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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Liesl
Bill, your post with introspection on perfecter-builds and the Clem was 
really lovely. I'm especially touched by the lines, Those bikes [the 
Clems], I'm completely convinced, could make me completely happy, and that 
would be the first off-the-rack complete bike that could do that since I 
was 12.  That's magic, to me.  And your thoughts about potential Atlantis 
riders and their perspectives on cost and rough riding are astute.  I know 
that I'm more careful with my raffle-won Custom than I am with my Saluki 
than I am with my ProtoBleriot.  AND I know when I picked up the custom, 
Grant made it clear that he expects me to ride it in the snow, etc.  So I 
have ridden it in the snow, fretted, and then completely washed it after 
every snow ride.  That doesn't happen to the proto.  

The point:  The Clem/clementine might just be the ultimate Just Ride Riv.

thanks for your thoughtfulness
-RCW

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[RBW] Re: S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Of course, I forgot a question that I meant most to ask: Since the S3X
wheel will be an occasional wheel, I'd like to have a quick-setup shifting
system, which means no housing if possible. I've ordered the thumbshifter
as well as the bar end shifter and thought I'd cobble something that could
mount to, say, the seatpost and have a short and direct cable run to the
hub. Has anyone done this? Care to share idea and photo?

Thanks.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those of you on this list who aren't on the iBob list, I have ordered
 a 3 sp fixed hub for a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt. I'd be interested
 in impressions of it from those who have used one but haven't commented
 already. In particular:

 1. How does it hold up long term? Scuttlebutt says that early models
 sometimes broke quickly and that later ones don't. Comments?

 2. Lash: I've read 3 or 4 degrees and 10 degrees; annoying and not
 really noticeable. Comments?

 3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is really
 not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 3-speed. That is
 fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when I don't feel like
 riding a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired days; longer rides; windy
 days; and so forth. Comments?

 4. Adjustment: many said that adjustment is finicky. A few said it's not
 -- just follow the instructions. Comments?

 5. Bearing play: several said that the cones loosen up after a few miles
 and that you need to re-adjust them. True?

 6. Wear-in: Many said that the indirect gears feel looser after 100 miles;
 some said the wear in a bit more up to the 200 mile point. Your experience?

 7. Related: Drag: many said that they could not feel additional drag in
 gear 2 (25% reduction); many also said that #1 drags much more; again, many
 said things get better after use. Your experience?

 #7 will be of particular use since I have the option of setting the hub up
 with 3d = direct as cruising gear (70) and have two rather low climbing
 gears; or setting it up with 2d as cruising, 3d as downhill, and 1st as a
 closer climbing gear: say: 91-70-57 inches.

 OTOH, I'm going to see if I can't use a 17 t *and* a 14 t on the driver
 so that I have a direct drive cruising gear, climbing gears, and an 85
 downhill gear (LBS could not source a 13 t cog).

 I've thought of getting a similar wheel for the gofast, but I hesitate:
 the gofast has been meant to be a pure fixed no-additions gofast, and I
 think instead I'll simply add a 17/21 Dingle to the flip side of the hub
 (46/15 or 75 cruising gear; 66 lazy gear; and 54 climbing gear.)

 What I *really* need is a 3d custom identical in all ways except for a
 1X9 derailleur drivetrain. OTOH, if I did that, I'd need* 2 more*
 customs: one dressed up with lights and fenders and rack and luggage; the
 other as a derailleur gofast. No wait, *3 more,* because 

 [Oh shut up.]

 Anyway, back to the S3X: your shared experience welcomed. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread WETH
Cycling cap under helmet and sunscreen on my fave and neck.
Jim, sorry to hear about your mom's surgeries.  I lost my mother to melanoma; 
hers developed on her scalp.  
So to all, wear sunscreen and protect your scalp, whether you are balding or 
not!  Skin cancer kills!

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[RBW] Re: Shopsack as a rear Trunksack?

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Shopsack on the rear rack works brilliantly! It held 6 packs of cheese, 
bulk coconut oil, 4 doz. eggs (+2 in/on the large trunksack on the front 
rack), plus whatever else my wife had me get (I don't pay attention because 
they just bring out my already paid for load and all I do is load it up -- 
the store is too scented for me to go into.). Two Irish straps snugged it 
down. I was concerned the eggs would crack on the way home, but they all 
made it fine!
Photo here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261961414/

For the ride, I had the large trunksack on the rear rack, with the large 
shopsack stuffed in there along with my warmer clothes as needed. When I 
got the grocery, I moved the trunksack to the front rack, loaded up the 
shopsack, plunked it on the rear rack, strapped it on and was good to go. 
Here's the pre-shopsack mode:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16676992307/in/photostream/

With abandon,
Patrick




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 Would it work to use a large (or medium if smaller is needed) Shopsack 
 rather than a large Trunksack on the rear rack, securing it with two Irish 
 Straps?

 My thinking:

 — Large olive Trunksacks are out of stock
 — Shopsacks are much more flexible for a wide variety of uses on and off 
 the bike

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread Evan E.
Welcome, KC! Congratulations on your Cheviot!

Evan E.
SF, CA

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[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Sam vs. Cheviot?

2015-03-21 Thread Kellie
Had a Sam; loved it. Daughter took it. Intrigued when the Cheviots came 
out; the green sealed it. Bought a Cheviot; love it. Have 43mm tires on it 
now for trails; Rock and Roads. They're also great on the street, so I 
commute on them too. The Cheviot is even more comfortable to me than my Sam 
was. There isn't really anywhere (almost) I can't go on the Cheviot. I'm 
trying to thin the herd (not Rivs) 'cuz I just don't ride anything else. 
BUT… I just got my hands on a 10 yr. old Saluki, and I'm building it up 
with drop bars. So go figure! To be honest I want an Atlantis too, and a 
Clem!

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On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 5:35:06 PM UTC-7, Eric Daume wrote:

 How do you choose and why?

 Eric none of the above right now Daume
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Re: [RBW] Clem Colors -- Silver vs Anthracite ????

2015-03-21 Thread Anne Paulson
Anthracite is the name of a silvery gray color. The Clem comes in that
silvery gray color, and also British racing green and a dark
blue-green color.


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 On the Blug there is a picture labelled Anthracite.  I thought that I read
 somewhere that the three colors for the Clem were blue, green, and silver.
 Does Anthracite refer to the silver color that was mentioned?  Or is there
 not a picture of the Silver?  Is the Anthracite just a test color that will
 not be offered for the bike?  Any input appreciated on silver vs anthracite.

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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Oh, I'm used to not coasting. But I may eventually re-install a rear brake
and use the S3X with a 17 t fw or perhaps a DOS freewheel.

(Of course, then I'd have to have a derailleur hangar brazed on, and a dt
shifter boss; all of which will eventually lead to an electric hub motor
and at last to abandoning cycling for golf.)

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:

 On 03/21/2015 01:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:


 3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is
 really not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 3-speed.
 That is fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when I don't feel
 like riding a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired days; longer rides;
 windy days; and so forth. Comments?


 You'd better not try coasting.


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[RBW] Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Plowing through the snow attempting to make Rampart Reservoir, my nine speed 
chain that is less than a year old decided to shatter a side link. I’m not 
talking a pin pipping out and a bent side. The pin blew out the side so there 
is a very open “O-C where there used to be an “O-O.”

LCG to the rescue! I LCGed my way back up to the road, then ran up the hills 
and coasted down the hills till I reached my LBS. Chain replaced, headed for 
the grocery, and it’s all good!

Adventure rarely looks like what you plan, but it is always fun!

Where the chain died: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261959554/in/photostream/

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Bill Lindsay
The Clem rides like a Rivendell, meaning very nicely.  It's stout like my 
Bombadil, but definitely more laid back and cruiserish.  

The thing that the Clem does for me is more about me.  I'm a super detailed 
bike builder.  I'm extremely proud of many of my builds, and I dwell on 
them a lot.  I'm always thinking of ways to make my numerous perfect bikes 
more perfecter.  The Clem feels to me like it is giving me permission to 
just get on my bike and ride, and not think so dang hard about stuff.  I 
probably won't buy a complete Clem, but Riv will have a standard build of 
complete Clems.  Those bikes, I'm completely convinced, could make me 
completely happy, and that would be the first off-the-rack complete bike 
that could do that since I was 12.  That's magic, to me.  

I imagine folks who can afford an Atlantis, but can't make themselves ride 
a $4500 bicycle roughly without stressing out about it, so they don't buy 
one or can't enjoy it.  The Clem is so darn inexpensive and so begging to 
be used, that those people will have permission to go out and have fun and 
not worry about it.  That's fantastic.  

I also imagine folks who cannot afford an Atlantis, and lurk on the boards 
all the time waiting to get one second hand, and have put all the mental 
and emotional energy into a perfect bike that I've done.  I imagine those 
people now see a Clem as their way to get something that is an affordable 
way to get a perfect bike.  I imagine those people wanting to pore over the 
geo-charts and worry about stem length and 8sp vs 9 and butt-lengths etc.  
Those people I'm afraid might be frustrated by the process.  The Clem is 
the Clem.  The details that don't matter, don't matter.  The Clem is not to 
be swooned over, dwelled on.  The Clem gets me back to the idea of dwelling 
on the memorable things I'm going to do on a bike, rather than dwelling on 
the bike itself.  

I may not buy one, because I'm already doing a Clem build the hard way (I 
always do things the hard way).  A mid 80s lugged mountain bike is at the 
framebuilder now getting a bunch of braze-ons.  The build is Clem-like.  If 
I bought a Clem, I think it would be so I have a pair of camping bikes so 
me and a companion can get out of Dodge any time and campout.  The thought 
of doing that already has me excited.  I get home from work on a summer 
Friday.  The Giants game is about to start.  Henry, let's bounce!  We 
jump on the Paramountain and the Clem, with the AM radio, and gear, and 
drop into Wildcat, Briones, Tilden, Chabot, you name it.  We camp out, 
listen to the ball game, contemplate the stars, and come back in the 
morning, new men.  Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what 
you are doing on your bike? 


On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 Bill,

 How'd it compare to the other Rivs you own?  You appear to have enough to 
 be considered a reliable authority.

 John

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem.  I've 
 always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns out 
 today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to change 
 saddle height.  It's terrific.  It rides how I expected it to ride, meaning 
 it disappeared, made me smile, and made me reluctant to return it to them.  

 I don't know if I will pre-order, but if I do, the $150 they are paying 
 me to adopt early will go towards a set of Bosco Bullmooses.  That's the 
 bar for that bike.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA




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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Eric Norris
Patrick:

I know I've chimed in before, but I'm a big fan of the S3X, so here goes ...

1) No problems long term so far after a few year's use of two S3X on two bikes.

2) Lash is mildly annoying when you use the hub as a fixed gear. I run both of 
mine with a White Industries Eno freewheel now, so it's a non-issue for me.

3) I think riding the hub in fixed gear mode is *mostly* like riding a regular 
fixie. One of the benefits of a true fixed gear (assuming you have your chain 
tight enough) is the feeling of connection between you and the bike--stop 
pedaling or back off, and the bike transmits its energy right back to you. The 
lash in the S3X delays that reaction. How bothersome it is will depend on what 
you're looking for from a fixed ride.

4)  Adjustment is not finicky at all. Take the slack out of the shift cable 
with the barrel adjuster and you're set. If for some reason it pops out of gear 
under load, make the cable a little tighter. I've heard of riders who shift 
this hub with a friction lever.

5) Haven't noticed any unusual bearing play on either of my bikes.

6) No discernible change in either of my bikes.

7) Yes. Despite what the tests I've read say, you can feel the hub working in 
gears 1 and 2. Can't feel it at all in 3, which is direct drive.

--Eric N
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 On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 For those of you on this list who aren't on the iBob list, I have ordered a 3 
 sp fixed hub for a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt. I'd be interested in 
 impressions of it from those who have used one but haven't commented already. 
 In particular: 
 
 1. How does it hold up long term? Scuttlebutt says that early models 
 sometimes broke quickly and that later ones don't. Comments?
 
 2. Lash: I've read 3 or 4 degrees and 10 degrees; annoying and not 
 really noticeable. Comments?
 
 3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is really 
 not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 3-speed. That is 
 fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when I don't feel like riding 
 a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired days; longer rides; windy days; and 
 so forth. Comments?
 
 4. Adjustment: many said that adjustment is finicky. A few said it's not -- 
 just follow the instructions. Comments?
 
 5. Bearing play: several said that the cones loosen up after a few miles and 
 that you need to re-adjust them. True?
 
 6. Wear-in: Many said that the indirect gears feel looser after 100 miles; 
 some said the wear in a bit more up to the 200 mile point. Your experience?
 
 7. Related: Drag: many said that they could not feel additional drag in gear 
 2 (25% reduction); many also said that #1 drags much more; again, many said 
 things get better after use. Your experience?
 
 #7 will be of particular use since I have the option of setting the hub up 
 with 3d = direct as cruising gear (70) and have two rather low climbing 
 gears; or setting it up with 2d as cruising, 3d as downhill, and 1st as a 
 closer climbing gear: say: 91-70-57 inches.
 
 OTOH, I'm going to see if I can't use a 17 t and a 14 t on the driver so that 
 I have a direct drive cruising gear, climbing gears, and an 85 downhill gear 
 (LBS could not source a 13 t cog). 
 
 I've thought of getting a similar wheel for the gofast, but I hesitate: the 
 gofast has been meant to be a pure fixed no-additions gofast, and I think 
 instead I'll simply add a 17/21 Dingle to the flip side of the hub (46/15 or 
 75 cruising gear; 66 lazy gear; and 54 climbing gear.)
 
 What I really need is a 3d custom identical in all ways except for a 1X9 
 derailleur drivetrain. OTOH, if I did that, I'd need 2 more customs: one 
 dressed up with lights and fenders and rack and luggage; the other as a 
 derailleur gofast. No wait, 3 more, because 
 
 [Oh shut up.]
 
 Anyway, back to the S3X: your shared experience welcomed. Thanks.
 
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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Matthew J
If I'm not wearing a helmet I wear an older version of this from 
Tilley: 
http://www.tilley.com/us_en/men/hats/warm-weather/ltm6is-insect-shieldr.html

If I'm wearing a helmet I wear 
this: http://www.solararmourinc.com/neckvizor.cfm

I have thick hair atop my head and have never been burned through my 
helmet.  

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 12:12:55 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

 What's good at blocking sunlight, while at the same time not getting 
 overheated from too thick a material for a covering?

 Helmets are vented and I get burned. What do you find that works? I notice 
 some of you do all day riding so I figured you would have good ideas.

 I'm talking 80-105F and in direct sunlight. What works?


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Edwin W
If I think the road or ride is dangerous I wear a cotton cycling cap under my 
helmet and just sweat a lot. The evaporation makes it tolerable. 
When riding around town I wear a panama style hat from my local hardware store. 
Good shade and keeps me cool. 

Gonna start heating up here in Nashville. 
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

2015-03-21 Thread Garth

Yes Matt, is does *appear *longer , even by measuring the full image with a 
ruler onscreen where it definitely IS longer.   So there seems to be direct 
contradiction here, with Keven's info and the image shown, which should be 
noted is only a prototype. The production frames are non-existent as of now 
. The pre-sale from the Blug info appears to be a pre pre-sale even, 
earlier than they had planned or wanted but they need some cash . 

It does not appear though, to be any higher front end than what Keven said 
though, so to have an overly long TT and not a proportionately higher head 
tube seems like it would be a bit odd .  Again , it's not until final specs 
are officially confirmed does any of this matter !We're all talking 
about Pie in the Sky, it looks great but you can't have it. 



On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:31:56 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:

 I'm sure the final geometry is probably still in the works but the top 
 tube on the prototype 59cm on the blug definitely looks longer than 
 61cm.It looks like it's about ~63cm actual, and maybe ~65cm horizontal.



 On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


   I had some questions about the Clem for Keven about the 59cm. Clem that 
 he graciously answered for me and thought I'd pass them along . 

 1. The head/front end(top of the head tube) on the Clem is virtually 
 identical in  height as my 60cm. Bombadil .  
 2. The top tube is 61cm-ish .  That's 2cm. shorter than the Bomba , :(  
 . (Too short for me,, boo-hoo , lol )
 3. The head and seat angles he as not positive on, likely the same as the 
 Bomba , which is a 72 ST and 71 HT. 
 4. In regards to number one, to get the highest bars, the steering tube 
 is always left as long as possible ! 
 5. The BB and headset are likely Tange's . 
 6. If you want a different front cable hanger, you can buy one separately 
 for it .  I assume he meant the would install it in place of the stock one. 


   And he welcomes questions, which is awesome !  !  

 Oh yes ...  he also added this : * Grant is making noise about creating 
 a 64cm Clementine which would have a bigger headtube (higher handlebars) 
 than your Bombadil and the 59cm Clem's, so that might be worth waiting for/ 
 signing up for.  Not sure if it will be included with the first shipment*
 .


 So there just *may *be a 64cm Clementine !  Which I'd love as a top tube 
 on a Clem would be close to my max clearance wise .  I always wanted a 
 Betty or something like it in the past but it was always just not quite 
 tall/long enough for me , so this solves all that :)  Yeah ! 



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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Pondero
I ride a great deal in wide open ranch land through long Texas summers.  Last 
year I switched to what the ranchers wear...a well-ventilated straw cowboy hat. 
 I choose a not-too-snug fit and added a stampede string to keep the thing on 
during faster downhill runs and gusty days.  The advantages are light weight, 
well ventilated, and lots wide-brim shade.  The biggest drawback (but no big 
deal for me) is the occasional wind-on-brim leverage to your head.  It has been 
the best solution for me yet...and it it just about time start using it again.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
I'm with Patrick. I mostly don't wear a helmet except when required by brevets. 
And I'm bald. So I slowly get my head used to the sun each spring by wearing a 
cotton cycling cap, then taking it off and putting it in the handlebar bag or 
jersey pocket to get 15, then 30 then 45 minutes, until I can get 2-3 hours or 
more without burning (because a sunburned noggin is miserable!) I sweat so much 
that after a short time I have to wear the cap backwards because sweat runs 
down the bill and funnels right onto my sunglasses. It snowed in CT yesterday 
and my 200km brevet in DC today was rescheduled. I can't wait to worry about 
sun again!

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[RBW] Re: What color CSJs are folks buying?

2015-03-21 Thread Zed Martinez
Oooh, I get to post my first comment over here since thanks to Clem I will 
finally be a Riv owner. I went with the green myself. The blue I like best, 
but darnit, I just bought a Simcoe roadster last year in a similar (but 
matte) hue of blue, and it's staying in my stable and I don't need two blue 
bikes, so, British racing green it is! I'm thinking some white cable 
housing to call to mind the white racing stripes typical on British racers 
and it'll be a pretty sharp ride.

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:40:56 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:

 I didn't want to like it (the Clem Jr.), and didn't until I saw them 
 painted.  So what colors are people preordering?  I like the blue but my 
 Sams blue and the green is probably great in person but man the pewter(?) 
 is sweet!   

 I was already preparing to sell my Cross Check to cull the herd but I bet 
 I could just swap a lot of parts, sell the frame and only be out of pocket 
 for a CSJ frame and wheelset.  So now I guess I'm looking at a sort of 
 lateral move?

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[RBW] WTB: Bosco or Alba

2015-03-21 Thread Kevin Mulcahy
I just installed a Yepp Mini stem mounted kid seat and I need a bar with a 
little less reach to give me and the wee-lad a little more room. I'm 
currently running chopped Alba bars and i wish I had those 1.5 inches 
back now... Our 14 month old is totally loving his new bike seat. He 
brought me my helmet this morning while we were getting ready - i can take 
a hint!

WTB: Bosco or Alba bars. 

Kevin 
In Chicago.

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[RBW] Re: Large Rucksack on Small Front Rack without sagging

2015-03-21 Thread MTR
too avoid sagging, especially since you a carrying food, try a flexible 
plastic cutting board in the bottom on the bag. duel use, as a cutting 
board for tasty tour meals.
Morgan


On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 6:56:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 I did go on a first day of Spring ride with our two eldest and we had a 
 blast splashing through mud puddles. The breaking in of the bag has begun! 
 Grin.

 With abandon,
 Patrick


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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread DSat
Which current Riv bike model would be the most similar to the Clem?  I 
realize the Clem is different, but try and explain where it fits into the 
current bike model lineup.

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 3:21:27 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem.  I've 
 always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns out 
 today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to change 
 saddle height.  It's terrific.  It rides how I expected it to ride, meaning 
 it disappeared, made me smile, and made me reluctant to return it to them.  

 I don't know if I will pre-order, but if I do, the $150 they are paying me 
 to adopt early will go towards a set of Bosco Bullmooses.  That's the bar 
 for that bike.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA




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[RBW] Re: FS Quickbeam 54cm

2015-03-21 Thread 'john elliott' via RBW Owners Bunch
Anyone want to make an offer on this bike.  I'm ready to consider shipping 
it or selling just the frame and forks for those who've asked me that in 
the past.

Thanks.



On Tuesday, January 6, 2015 at 12:08:44 PM UTC-8, john elliott wrote:

 Hi,
 After careful deliberation I am deciding to offer my Quickbeam for sale.  
 It's one of the green one's.  54 cm.  I bought it new as a frame and fork, 
 but it's pretty close to stock.  It has a set of stock quickbeam wheels 
 that I bought from someone who modified their quickbeam to 650b.

 It has a phil wood bottom bracket that was rebuilt at phil wood just 
 before I installed it.  At the moment it has an old no name saddle as Ive 
 been working on recovering the brooks saddle that was on it.  I could 
 include the brooks if anyone is interested in a recovered saddle.

 The handlebar is an albatross bar that is flipped upside down and with 
 about an inch cut off the ends.  Nitto dirt drop stem.   The seat post is 
 decent, off an older 80's vintage trek.  Pedals are shimano, the ones that 
 are spd on one side and standard cage pedal on the other side.

 It has a rear rack and fenders (the rear fender has about 6 inches cut 
 off, to facilitate wheel removal.)


 I've committed the sin of removing the decals as well.  I'm taking it in 
 tomorrow to get it tuned up and cleaned up a bit and I'll post more photos 
 as soon as it gets back.


 It does have a few nicks in the paint, but nothing more than that.  I'm 
 thinking between $1000-1200 ish but I am open to offers.  If no one is 
 interested I'll probably list it on craigslist in a week or two.

 I live in San Francisco and I would prefer to sell to someone in the 
 region, but I wouldn't completely rule out shipping for the right situation.

 Thanks


 PS:  I also have an sturmey archer S3X wheel that is not on the bike.  I 
 honestly never used it or set it up, but I do have the bar end shifter, 
 cable and other bits.   The rim is a velocity dyad if that makes any 
 difference.This could go with the bike, or perhaps be sold separately 
 depending on interest.




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[RBW] Clem with drop bars

2015-03-21 Thread Steven Sweedler
Is anyone considering using drop bars on their Clem build. The 61 cm tt on
the 59 is not too long for me.
I am a new member to this group, been a fairly quiet member of ibob and
CR for many years. I have a Rivendell Road, 96,  and last fall bought
a 2000 AR. Main interest is cycletouring, returned this week from 3 months
in Mexico.  Steve

Plymouth, New Hampshire


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[RBW] Clem Colors -- Silver vs Anthracite ????

2015-03-21 Thread DSat
On the Blug there is a picture labelled Anthracite.  I thought that I 
read somewhere that the three colors for the Clem were blue, green, and 
silver.  Does Anthracite refer to the silver color that was mentioned? 
 Or is there not a picture of the Silver?  Is the Anthracite just a test 
color that will not be offered for the bike?  Any input appreciated on 
silver vs anthracite.

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[RBW] Re: brake advice

2015-03-21 Thread RobbeR49
I have Schwalbe Marathon 47's with Paul mini-motos, the straddle wire 
clears the tires (barely), but couldn't possibly clear any kind of fender.



On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 6:00:20 PM UTC-4, Will wrote:

 I have a new-to-me Atlantis that needs brakes. I've just installed P65 
 Longboards and am thinking about either Paul Touring Cantilevers or Paul 
 Mini-Motos. 

 Any/all experience is solicited. I want to get this right. 

 Thanks

 Will


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
I ended up with a Solar Sombrero from Simms Fishing.  Nice, light, 
rollable. Easy to tuck into the bag. Ended up with a couple of their 
sunblocking arm covers as well.  And I have a bunch of the sunblocking Buff 
headwear neck gaiters (both in merino wool for winter and their superlight 
UV material for summer). 

But, the Sombrero's floppy brim is pretty intolerable for riding.  If I 
look down, it flips down in front.  As much as I enjoy the zen of cycling, 
I do not want to ride while under a fabric analog of Luke Skywalker 
training helmet...

I have a whole series of cycling caps (I mean, it _is_ what they were 
designed for after all.)   I have tucked the Buff under my helmet and let 
it flap like a doo-rag tail, but find I can stay pretty comfy with it loose 
on my neck.  

 Spent most of last year helping my mom go through a succession of 
surgeries to replace her nose for recurring skin cancer, so I figure I'm 
going to err on the side of serious sunscreen and fabric layers. 

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread KC
Kellie, not sure if you saw my message.  We're from socal and vacationing here 
in bay area waiting for new granddaughter.  Kids live in Marina Bay complex. 
You will likely find us on the trail today pulling 2 year old in trailer.  

Any suggestions for nice rides in the area are appreciated. Preference for out 
of traffic. Helping with grandson but not tied down so anywhere in general 
area, incl wine country works.

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Madam Xylene
I'm fair skinned and use a Buff over my hair, ears and back of my neck to 
prevent sunburn but don't ride in hot and humid weather. Most I ever did was 
107 miles in 107 heat and quit. Cheers Eileen 

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Liesl
I have an inordinate fondness of hats and have tried lots and lots of types 
while bicycling.  Here are some fav's:

+2 on tilly brimmed hats; cotton, oilcloth, or wool.  Both Erin and I love 
them. The curve of the brim from back to front is good with wind and can be 
coupled with the chin strap on the cotton and oilskin models.  the aussie 
style snap-up sides can be helpful.  Also, slip a business card and a 
couple bills in the crown pocket. MAKE SURE you try it on first; the tilly 
sizing is sometimes whacky and they tend to run small.

+1 on panama but be sure that it fits well.  best with a leather sweatband. 
Can blow off in strong wind/downhill.  Hold on.

others with brims/bills:
*bowlers are surprisingly good for cooler riding.  Harder to find; if you 
find a good one with a leather sweatband that fits. snap it up.  Plus they 
are totally dapper.
*Gorin caps, if you find a model you like, have worked well for both Erin 
and me—but they discontinue styles so quickly that if you like it, get it.
*Stormy Kromers are really quite good and now come in lots of fabrics and 
colors.  Has ear protection that can be deployed.
*radar o'reilly style knit caps are great for colder weather and can drop 
over your ears
*and the many bike-specific caps of course

haberdasheringly yours,
RCW

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread Melanie
Oh, I don't know.  The bedroom is the place for Rivs! 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/7563204@N05/16856700776/

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I say not only store your bike in the living room, but work on it there, 
 too!  It's way more pleasant!


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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't wear a helmet. I love getting an hour or two of peak sun exposure 
for Vitamin D and other intangibles that only get produced by our skin via 
sun exposure when the sun is higher than 45˚. Outside that, I wear either a 
Tilley hat (medium brim, I prefer their cotton one, but mine is too small 
as the cotton runs smaller than the other ones) or a cotton biking hat 
(with a bandana tucked under if full coverage is desired), which would work 
under your helmet. My daughters and wife wear a cotton bonnet (think Laura 
Ingalls Wilder. 

You didn't ask, but for a shirt, I've found Grant's approach of a thin 
cotton work shirt is fantastic. Just be sure the arms are long enough to 
cover wrists when in your forward most position.

It sure feels good to start getting sun exposure questions again! Snow must 
be melting. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 11:12:55 PM UTC-6, lungimsam wrote:

 What's good at blocking sunlight, while at the same time not getting 
 overheated from too thick a material for a covering?

 Helmets are vented and I get burned. What do you find that works? I notice 
 some of you do all day riding so I figured you would have good ideas.

 I'm talking 80-105F and in direct sunlight. What works?


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[RBW] VO Tourist Cockpit FS / FT

2015-03-21 Thread John
I've got a set of VO Tourist bars with Tektro City levers, Nitto 10cm 
Tallux stem, and black foam grips.  Stem and bar are 25.4mm clamp, and bar 
and levers are 22.2mm.  All in excellent condition.
Looking for $100 plus shipping, or will entertain trades for Noodle/Mark's 
Bar and matching stem.

Pix are here:  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/53546004@N07/sets/72157651062731760/

Please contact me offline with any interest.

John

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Garth


 If I do wear a hat, mostly to keep the sun out of eyes, it's a Headsweats 
Cycle cap .  It's not cheapie generic cycle cap either, the bill is a 
little longer and flexible . The high quality fabric is great for warm 
weather, Coolmax .  I too find most headwear too warm , but these caps I 
can wear in any temp and I don't notice it at all.  In really hot 
conditions I keep it wet and the natural evaporative cooling is wonderful 
:)  Better than a bare head . 

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders use for head coverings for riding in the sun?

2015-03-21 Thread Pondero
Bringing my shade with me...

http://instagram.com/p/sauukJnPxU/

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: LHT vs Clem ??

2015-03-21 Thread Isaiah Kramer
I'll be test riding a clem this weekend and I'll let you know my thoughts. 
Given the thick diameter tubes and overall stoutness/geometry of the bike, 
I doubt anyone would consider the  Clem a light anything. How you loas it 
and what feels good is up to you, and perhaps the Clem will feel livelier 
unloaded than a trucker, but most light tourers that I've come across 
typically have less wheel clearance, thinner tubing, more roadish geometry. 
If anything I think the Clem could handle what your throw at it but it fall 
into the category of Bombproof Country bike for dirt roads and S240s as 
opposed to credit card touring and randonneuring. For all I know country 
bike is just what you're lookin' for. And don't listed to me just yet, I'm 
already forming an opinion about the bike without having rode it, standby 
for an informed test ride report

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RE: [RBW] Which Riv to Rando?

2015-03-21 Thread olofstroh
For a few years I had the good fortune to be able to adjust my work schedule so 
that I could ride all 75km/46 miles to work. By bicycle one day, train home, 
train to work next day, bicycle home. To make everything work I used my 
Rivendell custom with 28mm tubulars some days, my Heron Touring (essentially an 
Atlantis) with 48h touring wheels shoed with 35mm Paselas some days. The Riv 
felt racier, but the time was 3 hours sharp, regardless of bicycle. Tried to go 
both directions some days, but that was too much.

 

My experience though: comfort. For going a long distance, use the most 
comfortable bike and equip it for the purpose.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

 

I'm getting ready for a brevet series starting late next month.  I'd been 
planning on riding my Romulus which is set up with the original factory wheels 
and the extraordinary Compass Stampede Pass tires and fenders.  My thoght was 
to add the Mark's rack to the Romulus and be ready to go with battery lighting, 
but I'm sitting here in my office staring at my mighty Atlantis with its dyno, 
Luxos headlight with USB charging, brake lights, and luggage and wondering 
whether it wouldn't be the better choice, especially if I replaced the Marathon 
Supreme's with Barlow Pass tires for the Brevets.  First world problems, I 
know. I'm confident the Atlantis is the more comfortable bike of the two, but 
the Rom is faster. Most of the folks here in Utah ride brevets on racing style 
bikes, usually without fenders, and I'm apprehensive about not being able to 
keep up with anyone and having to ride alone. Thoughts on the Atlantis with the 
Barlow Pass would be appreciated.   

 

DG

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[RBW] Re: Interesting things your bikes find

2015-03-21 Thread Kellie
BOB'S…. every Fri. night after football games!

On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 4:36:48 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 If you grew up in SoCal, you'll remember this little guy.  This one is now 
 in Florence, OR.  The staff had no idea about it.  A hot rode themed 
 restaurant with a unique mascot from the middle of the last century.

 @Tom:  Yea, I remember seeing Little Oscar at a market opening  thinking 
 he was pretty rough looking up close.

 dougP

 On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 4:21:50 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 it's like the wildlife thread—only different!



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[RBW] Re: FS 56cm Hillborne f/f/hs/bottom bracket

2015-03-21 Thread Trevor saxton
Bump price drop to 700plus shipping, have a complete build kit (minus 
wheels) to throw in for $200 as well. 

Add ons all riv sourced

Mustache Bars dirt drop stem
Sugino Triple 
Microshift triple drive train derailleurs and shifters. 
Tektro Brakes already included - front one is squishy 
Will add a couple pairs of used tires Jack Brown Greens and WTB Pathways - 
Staring a move away from 700c tires have life and offer 2 types of riding. 

Will keep posted for one week then post on ebay, Sunday March 29th. 

Thanks 

Trevor


On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 10:40:53 AM UTC-4, Trevor saxton wrote:

 Pictures attached 


 https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/78462625@N07/sets/72157651170921376/ 

 Note handlebar setup not included 


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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Hey! Bill! I am thankful you found a problem I don't have! I have no 
problem abusing my Hunqapillar, to which the numerous dings in the paint 
attest. Grin. I am so glad you have a quality beater on the way!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread Jim Bronson
The person in question has been interested in having a bike she could
ride around her uptown-y area in a large southern city.  She owns a
couple of high end crabon fibre bikes.  I suggested the Clementine as
one of the finest examples of such a bike, and informed her of the
presale.

However, she is curious about the sizing since she is 5'10 and
normally rides a 54.  I replied to her thusly:

Rivendell does their sizing differently than most bikes, and it even
differs from model to model.  They said in their blog that the 52
would fit around 5'8 to 6'0 and I'd tend to take them at the their
word, but if you have questions I'd definitely give them a call.  They
are very nice and will take the time to explain the sizing rationale
for a specific model.

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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Thanks again, Eric -- I know you are a fan, and it's good to know that
someone who puts a great deal of mileage on them is happy with them.

Eventually I may use mine with a freewheel, but I thought I'd start with
the simplest application and try it fixed, first.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com wrote:

 Patrick:

 I know I've chimed in before, but I'm a big fan of the S3X, so here goes
 ...

 1) No problems long term so far after a few year's use of two S3X on two
 bikes.

 2) Lash is mildly annoying when you use the hub as a fixed gear. I run
 both of mine with a White Industries Eno freewheel now, so it's a non-issue
 for me.

 3) I think riding the hub in fixed gear mode is *mostly* like riding a
 regular fixie. One of the benefits of a true fixed gear (assuming you have
 your chain tight enough) is the feeling of connection between you and the
 bike--stop pedaling or back off, and the bike transmits its energy right
 back to you. The lash in the S3X delays that reaction. How bothersome it is
 will depend on what you're looking for from a fixed ride.

 4)  Adjustment is not finicky at all. Take the slack out of the shift
 cable with the barrel adjuster and you're set. If for some reason it pops
 out of gear under load, make the cable a little tighter. I've heard of
 riders who shift this hub with a friction lever.

 5) Haven't noticed any unusual bearing play on either of my bikes.

 6) No discernible change in either of my bikes.

 7) Yes. Despite what the tests I've read say, you can feel the hub working
 in gears 1 and 2. Can't feel it at all in 3, which is direct drive.

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
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 Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

 On Mar 21, 2015, at 10:40 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 For those of you on this list who aren't on the iBob list, I have ordered
 a 3 sp fixed hub for a second rear wheel for my '03 Curt. I'd be interested
 in impressions of it from those who have used one but haven't commented
 already. In particular:

 1. How does it hold up long term? Scuttlebutt says that early models
 sometimes broke quickly and that later ones don't. Comments?

 2. Lash: I've read 3 or 4 degrees and 10 degrees; annoying and not
 really noticeable. Comments?

 3. Several made the interesting comment that riding with the hub is really
 not like riding fixed; rather, more like riding a regular 3-speed. That is
 fine with me, since I would use this wheel only when I don't feel like
 riding a real fixed wheel -- lazy days; tired days; longer rides; windy
 days; and so forth. Comments?

 4. Adjustment: many said that adjustment is finicky. A few said it's not
 -- just follow the instructions. Comments?

 5. Bearing play: several said that the cones loosen up after a few miles
 and that you need to re-adjust them. True?

 6. Wear-in: Many said that the indirect gears feel looser after 100 miles;
 some said the wear in a bit more up to the 200 mile point. Your experience?

 7. Related: Drag: many said that they could not feel additional drag in
 gear 2 (25% reduction); many also said that #1 drags much more; again, many
 said things get better after use. Your experience?

 #7 will be of particular use since I have the option of setting the hub up
 with 3d = direct as cruising gear (70) and have two rather low climbing
 gears; or setting it up with 2d as cruising, 3d as downhill, and 1st as a
 closer climbing gear: say: 91-70-57 inches.

 OTOH, I'm going to see if I can't use a 17 t *and* a 14 t on the driver
 so that I have a direct drive cruising gear, climbing gears, and an 85
 downhill gear (LBS could not source a 13 t cog).

 I've thought of getting a similar wheel for the gofast, but I hesitate:
 the gofast has been meant to be a pure fixed no-additions gofast, and I
 think instead I'll simply add a 17/21 Dingle to the flip side of the hub
 (46/15 or 75 cruising gear; 66 lazy gear; and 54 climbing gear.)

 What I *really* need is a 3d custom identical in all ways except for a
 1X9 derailleur drivetrain. OTOH, if I did that, I'd need* 2 more*
 customs: one dressed up with lights and fenders and rack and luggage; the
 other as a derailleur gofast. No wait, *3 more,* because 

 [Oh shut up.]

 Anyway, back to the S3X: your shared experience welcomed. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Bill Lindsay
Thanks Deacon, but to be clear, I have no problem riding my Bombadil hard, 
but I do have to actively choose to forget how expensive it is.  I also 
have a nice beater in my Paramountain (with Bosco Bullmooses).  I might 
have a Clem on the way, but I don't have one on the way yet.  

B

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Hey! Bill! I am thankful you found a problem I don't have! I have no 
 problem abusing my Hunqapillar, to which the numerous dings in the paint 
 attest. Grin. I am so glad you have a quality beater on the way!

 With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Need a new rear shifter

2015-03-21 Thread cbone97
I've had the SunRace thumbie on an Alba and loved it.  I guess it's a 
matter of taste and experience, but it felt pretty solid to me.

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[RBW] Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread KC
I just rode the smallest  (swear they said 50, but looks like 45 per blug and 
makes more sense to me - easy to confirm with them, it was the teal prototype) 
around the parking lot and it felt great after they moved the seat way down for 
me. Fit very nicely.  I'm 5'3 and ride a 50 cheviot.  Don't know if that 
helps, but it was a fun ride (Albatross bars). 

All the colors are very nice, but i really like the blue clem smith jr.  They 
all have a really nice rbw detailing where the stem attaches to the frame,nice 
touch

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Can someone explain or point me to a description of and explanation of the
differences between:

The Appaloosa;
The Clems;
The Cheviot;
And any other high-swept-back-bar'd, long-stay'd model?

As for bikes in bedroom: I used to park my Falcon next to my bed. One night
the tube at 120 psi (19 mm tires!!)* shoved the lousy rim strip aside just
enough to puncture itself on the sharp edge of the nipple hole: BANG!!! at
2 am! A rude awakening indeed. The moral is: use Velox.

*Silly tires, but a nice frame that I wish I'd kept: it would have made a
wonderful fixie beater.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:

 Solution; a Riv for every room! (-:

 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:44:44 AM UTC-7, Melanie wrote:

 Oh, I don't know.  The bedroom is the place for Rivs!
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/7563204@N05/16856700776/

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I say not only store your bike in the living room, but work on it there,
 too!  It's way more pleasant!

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Re: [RBW] S3X hub for one of my Rivs; particular question about QR-type shifting setup.

2015-03-21 Thread Steve Palincsar

On 03/21/2015 01:52 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Oh, I'm used to not coasting. But I may eventually re-install a rear 
brake and use the S3X with a 17 t fw or perhaps a DOS freewheel.


(Of course, then I'd have to have a derailleur hangar brazed on, and a 
dt shifter boss; all of which will eventually lead to an electric hub 
motor and at last to abandoning cycling for golf.)


Even better, give up exercise entirely and take up bowling.


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[RBW] Lil' Tour, Sam Style

2015-03-21 Thread Edwin W
I took my first little tour with my Sam. Mileage was a little much for my 
cycling condition in these TN rolling hills, but I had a good time. They 
wouldn't let me move the parks I wanted to go to closer. 
Patrick, I tied a large shop sack on my back rack. 
Here is a little write up:
http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/2015MidTN

When I returned, my friend was in shock in how wasteful I was with my weight, 
like leaving on my trail a bike hitch and child seat attachment. 

What are the wasteful or luxury items you take on a tour despite the weight? 
My main one was the Grundens poncho: big and relatively heavy, but I enjoyed 
it on the way home in the rain. 

Got a lot of tips from this group along the way and used many riv things:
Poncho, MUSA shorts and pants, riv cap, Sam Hillborne, little esbit alcohol 
cube stove, folding saw (didn't need that), etc...
Got me hankering for a nice set of touring panniers. 
Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Keven describes my 85cm PBH 5-10 wife as on the cusp between Med and Large. 
In talking it over with her it became clear that for her type of riding 
(with kids, maneuverability trumps limo smooth) she will be happier on the 
Medium. So that's what we're going with. A discussion with Keven or Grant 
is the best way to go. 

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[RBW] Re: Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread iamkeith
Well, if she typically rides a 54cm ROAD bike, then I think most bike shops 
would put her on a MOUNTAIN bike that's significantly *smaller *than a 52.  
I guess I think of the Clem as more of a mountain bike, and one which 
should be a bit bigger than someone is used to getting, because of the 
Rivendell geometry.I bet if you had her looking at the Clem instead of 
the Clementine, she'd see that it is near perfect for her.  Is that an 
option, or does she absolutely need a mixte?   

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 The person in question has been interested in having a bike she could 
 ride around her uptown-y area in a large southern city.  She owns a 
 couple of high end crabon fibre bikes.  I suggested the Clementine as 
 one of the finest examples of such a bike, and informed her of the 
 presale. 

 However, she is curious about the sizing since she is 5'10 and 
 normally rides a 54.  I replied to her thusly: 

 Rivendell does their sizing differently than most bikes, and it even 
 differs from model to model.  They said in their blog that the 52 
 would fit around 5'8 to 6'0 and I'd tend to take them at the their 
 word, but if you have questions I'd definitely give them a call.  They 
 are very nice and will take the time to explain the sizing rationale 
 for a specific model. 

 Any additional advice I should give her? 

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[RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread Kellie
Solution; a Riv for every room! (-:

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:44:44 AM UTC-7, Melanie wrote:

 Oh, I don't know.  The bedroom is the place for Rivs!  
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/7563204@N05/16856700776/

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I say not only store your bike in the living room, but work on it there, 
 too!  It's way more pleasant!



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[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Awesome time, Edwin! That Shopsack is handy, aye? I just posted on my own 
shopping adventure with it in that thread (which may be why you mentioned 
it in the first place?). Too steep for cows? That's pretty steep!

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[RBW] Re: Clem vs. Sam vs. Cheviot?

2015-03-21 Thread iamkeith
Don't forget about the forthcoming Appaloosa II, which soundls like it will 
be a Sam Hillbourne WITH long chainstays.  If it ends up fitting a little 
wider tires than the normal Sam, it might be the perfect bike for those who 
can't decide. 

Another thought though:  *If any one model fits you better than the others, 
than I'd say get THAT one, no matter what!*  As others have said, most 
Rivendell models will do many things well, and there's a lot of overlap by 
design.  (I'm am a bit skeptical about the Clem being a good road or 
touring bike, though I believe it will be the best town or cruiser 
bike  but that's just speculation on my part.)  

In the end, nothing trumps a perfect fit, in terms of making you want to 
ride more often in general, or for preferring to ride a certain bike over 
all others, even if it's not ideally suited to the task at hand.

Looked at another way, I think you'll eventually find that not all 
Rivendell models will have a size that fits you.   From experience, I can 
promise you that, once a model that DOES fit you becomes unavailable, 
you'll regret not acting when you had the chance - even if it wasn't what 
you thought you wanted at the time. (Unless it duplicates 
other Riv models you have, that already fit perfectly, of course.)


On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:23:01 AM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 First decision point:  Long chain stays or not? no=Sam; 
 yes=clem/clementine or cheviot

 Second decision point:  fattiest tires?  yes=clem/clementine

 Third Decision point:  top tube or not? yes=Clem or Sam; no=Clementine or 
 Cheviot

 Fourth decision combopoints:  how much can I spend, am I a 
 build-perfecter, and am I rough-ride fretter?  Thinking of Bill's post, if 
 you're a build perfecter, go with a Sam or Cheviot.  If you're a rough-ride 
 fretter, go with the Clem/clementine

 Feel free to mix up the order of the questions.

 Personally, bikes with fat tires and long chain stays are the absolute 
 bomb!  They go anywhere and couldn't be more comfy.  I'm just glad I'm done 
 making decisions!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread Jim Bronson
She is attracted to the aesthetics of the Clementine, so I don't think
the Clem is really an option.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:28 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, if she typically rides a 54cm ROAD bike, then I think most bike shops
 would put her on a MOUNTAIN bike that's significantly smaller than a 52.  I
 guess I think of the Clem as more of a mountain bike, and one which should
 be a bit bigger than someone is used to getting, because of the Rivendell
 geometry.I bet if you had her looking at the Clem instead of the
 Clementine, she'd see that it is near perfect for her.  Is that an option,
 or does she absolutely need a mixte?

 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 The person in question has been interested in having a bike she could
 ride around her uptown-y area in a large southern city.  She owns a
 couple of high end crabon fibre bikes.  I suggested the Clementine as
 one of the finest examples of such a bike, and informed her of the
 presale.

 However, she is curious about the sizing since she is 5'10 and
 normally rides a 54.  I replied to her thusly:

 Rivendell does their sizing differently than most bikes, and it even
 differs from model to model.  They said in their blog that the 52
 would fit around 5'8 to 6'0 and I'd tend to take them at the their
 word, but if you have questions I'd definitely give them a call.  They
 are very nice and will take the time to explain the sizing rationale
 for a specific model.

 Any additional advice I should give her?

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[RBW] Re: Need a new rear shifter

2015-03-21 Thread Ron Mc
I'm using Microshift 9-speed index on two bikes and love them.  My 
daughter's have been going strong for 2 years.  

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 3:22:59 PM UTC-5, cbone97 wrote:

 I've had the SunRace thumbie on an Alba and loved it.  I guess it's a 
 matter of taste and experience, but it felt pretty solid to me.


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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Ron Mc
so do you carry a chain tool, your leftover chain length and power links? 
 I would, and do.  

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 1:02:11 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Plowing through the snow attempting to make Rampart Reservoir, my nine 
 speed chain that is less than a year old decided to shatter a side link. 
 I’m not talking a pin pipping out and a bent side. The pin blew out the 
 side so there is a very open “O-C where there used to be an “O-O.”

 LCG to the rescue! I LCGed my way back up to the road, then ran up the 
 hills and coasted down the hills till I reached my LBS. Chain replaced, 
 headed for the grocery, and it’s all good!

 Adventure rarely looks like what you plan, but it is always fun!

 Where the chain died: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261959554/in/photostream/

 With abandon,
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[RBW] FS: 1985 Trek 420 Sport Touring - lugged Waterloo-made goodness. Nitto, Brooks, n' more. and 26 conversion final report.

2015-03-21 Thread cbone97
So here is my can I convert a 27wheel to 26 wheel? project bike.  The 
answer is yes - thanks to those bigTektro beach cruiser brakes which have 
been mentioned on other threads herein.  I even think it looks pretty cool 
and rides just great.  

Then RBW just had to show me an anthracite Clem Smith Jr.; and so to avoid 
divorce and partially fund my dream bike, I'm offering the 420 up for sale. 
 I prefer PP. Shipping charges would apply, or I can work something out to 
deliver from Kansas City to St. Louis.  All of the non-stock components are 
new, nearly new, or very very good condition. Check out the pics of the 26 
configuration and original catalog page here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/124629332@N02/sets/72157651417943956/

http://www.vintage-trek.com/images/trek/85TrekSport.pdf


I will sell it any one of several ways:
- *Stock / All Original Components (minus original rack and saddle) *but 
with new Kenda 1 3/8 knobby tires (I also have the original tires, which 
were on it when i bought this bike.  they barely show any wear, ie this 
bike was never ridden much and the condition shows that it was treated very 
kindly.  The original front wheel could use a truing as it is slightly out 
of round. *$150 *plus shipping.

*- 650b converter's delight: *dead stock original PLUS a set of RIV 
SILVER brakes in excellent condition:  *$250* plus shipping.  (sadly, the 
silvers don't work for 26 or 27 wheels)

*- 26 NITTO / BROOKS / Velo Orange Poor Man's Riv *in the 26 
configuration including new Grip King pedals, Tektro brakes, new Michelin 
Country Rock 1.75 tires, Brooks B17 aged, Nitto dirt drop stem and Nitto 
B132 rando bars, Tektro TRP RRL levers, and a new Sunrace thumbie, new 
Vuelta MUSA 38t chainring and new 6-sp Shimano Mega-range cassette, new 
chain, and a new Riv gray cable set still in the bag.  Also includes a new 
rear wheel built: a beautiful Velo Orange high-flange freewheel hub (126mm) 
laced to a Velocity NoBS rim by Ben's Cycle of Milwaukee.  36h and appears 
bomb-proof.The only stuff NOT included is the front wheel that I 
borrowed from another bike and that beautiful grid grey xs saddlebag 
(although anything is negotiable).  Otherwise as-pictured AND includes all 
the original parts to return the bike to dead stock condition including the 
old and new 27 tires.   *$500 *plus shipping.
 
- somewhere in between.  maybe someone will want the stock bike and someone 
else will want the other stuff.  maybe you want the awesome rear wheel that 
was hand-built with love and those Tektros that will let you convert your 
own 27 whip.  we can talk.

Feel free to contact me on or off list.  Thanks for watching.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

2015-03-21 Thread Eric Daume
I was getting somewhat close to putting the money down for a 59cm Clem,
until I checked the geo chart and saw that it had a 34.75 standover
height. At 6'3 with a 91cm PBH, I already find my 62cm Cross Check taller
than what I want for around town riding, and it's a touch less than 34 in
standover height. When I've tried to use my CC as my kid puller/around town
bike, I quickly got tired of how close everything was at every stop (and
there are a LOT of stops when riding with kids). Nearly 35 is a deal
breaker.

All of this is a very roundabout way of saying to be careful about how tall
an even bigger Clem would get.

Of course, there's the Clementine, but that frame design has zero appeal
for me (while the broadly similar Cheviot looks pretty good, go figure).

Eric
Dublin, OH


On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yes Matt, is does *appear *longer , even by measuring the full image with
 a ruler onscreen where it definitely IS longer.   So there seems to be
 direct contradiction here, with Keven's info and the image shown, which
 should be noted is only a prototype. The production frames are non-existent
 as of now . The pre-sale from the Blug info appears to be a pre pre-sale
 even, earlier than they had planned or wanted but they need some cash .

 It does not appear though, to be any higher front end than what Keven said
 though, so to have an overly long TT and not a proportionately higher head
 tube seems like it would be a bit odd .  Again , it's not until final specs
 are officially confirmed does any of this matter !We're all talking
 about Pie in the Sky, it looks great but you can't have it.



 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:31:56 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:

 I'm sure the final geometry is probably still in the works but the top
 tube on the prototype 59cm on the blug definitely looks longer than
 61cm.It looks like it's about ~63cm actual, and maybe ~65cm horizontal.



 On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


   I had some questions about the Clem for Keven about the 59cm. Clem
 that he graciously answered for me and thought I'd pass them along .

 1. The head/front end(top of the head tube) on the Clem is virtually
 identical in  height as my 60cm. Bombadil .
 2. The top tube is 61cm-ish .  That's 2cm. shorter than the Bomba ,
 :(  . (Too short for me,, boo-hoo , lol )
 3. The head and seat angles he as not positive on, likely the same as
 the Bomba , which is a 72 ST and 71 HT.
 4. In regards to number one, to get the highest bars, the steering tube
 is always left as long as possible !
 5. The BB and headset are likely Tange's .
 6. If you want a different front cable hanger, you can buy one
 separately for it .  I assume he meant the would install it in place of the
 stock one.


   And he welcomes questions, which is awesome !  !

 Oh yes ...  he also added this : * Grant is making noise about
 creating a 64cm Clementine which would have a bigger headtube (higher
 handlebars) than your Bombadil and the 59cm Clem's, so that might be worth
 waiting for/ signing up for.  Not sure if it will be included with the
 first shipment*.


 So there just *may *be a 64cm Clementine !  Which I'd love as a top
 tube on a Clem would be close to my max clearance wise .  I always wanted a
 Betty or something like it in the past but it was always just not quite
 tall/long enough for me , so this solves all that :)  Yeah !

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Re: [RBW] Re: Family member thinking about a 52 Clementine

2015-03-21 Thread iamkeith
Nonetheless, if I correctly understand where her reservations are coming 
from, you should still tell her to think of it in terms of mountain bike 
sizing rather than road bike sizing.  Didn't Grant  somewhere use the term 
mountain mixte?  He definitely talks about it as an evolution of the 80s 
mountain bikes so often used for town bikes.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 3:03:44 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote:

 She is attracted to the aesthetics of the Clementine, so I don't think 
 the Clem is really an option. 

 On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:28 PM, iamkeith keith...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Well, if she typically rides a 54cm ROAD bike, then I think most bike 
 shops 
  would put her on a MOUNTAIN bike that's significantly smaller than a 52. 
  I 
  guess I think of the Clem as more of a mountain bike, and one which 
 should 
  be a bit bigger than someone is used to getting, because of the 
 Rivendell 
  geometry.I bet if you had her looking at the Clem instead of the 
  Clementine, she'd see that it is near perfect for her.  Is that an 
 option, 
  or does she absolutely need a mixte? 
  
  On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 12:59:36 PM UTC-6, Jim Bronson wrote: 
  
  The person in question has been interested in having a bike she could 
  ride around her uptown-y area in a large southern city.  She owns a 
  couple of high end crabon fibre bikes.  I suggested the Clementine as 
  one of the finest examples of such a bike, and informed her of the 
  presale. 
  
  However, she is curious about the sizing since she is 5'10 and 
  normally rides a 54.  I replied to her thusly: 
  
  Rivendell does their sizing differently than most bikes, and it even 
  differs from model to model.  They said in their blog that the 52 
  would fit around 5'8 to 6'0 and I'd tend to take them at the their 
  word, but if you have questions I'd definitely give them a call.  They 
  are very nice and will take the time to explain the sizing rationale 
  for a specific model. 
  
  Any additional advice I should give her? 
  
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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
My Hilsen was shifting poorly this week, skipping, etc. While adjusting and 
cleaning it I found a broken link, the first one I've ever had. So I replaced 
it. I headed out for a ride today and the first time I stood on the pedals the 
chain slipped, throwing me forward and when I caught myself I'm pretty sure I 
tore my rotator cuff (I'd fallen on the CT ice 3 or 4 weeks ago and tweaked it 
pretty good. The slip today really hurt it.) So before heading to the emergency 
room for an X-ray, I went to get a new cassette. I returned from the hospital 
and put the cassette on and tried pedaling under a load and it still throws the 
chain violently. I put it on the stand and the chainrings are shark-toothed 
too, and need replaced. Typically, I have to change the cassette once per 
season. After today's debacle, I will never change the chain without changing 
the cassette. And inspect your chainrings! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Joe Broach
Hi Tim,

Sorry to hear about your shoulder. A good quality cassette should last tens
of thousands of miles if you change your chain before it wears too much.
Consensus on too much seems to be when the chain measures about 1% longer
than new--less for 11-speed. A chain checker
http://www.parktool.com/product/chain-wear-indicator-CC-3-2 has been a
good investment for me, but you can just use a ruler.

Hope you heal up quickly.

Best,
joe broach
pdx or



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rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 My Hilsen was shifting poorly this week, skipping, etc. While adjusting
 and cleaning it I found a broken link, the first one I've ever had. So I
 replaced it. I headed out for a ride today and the first time I stood on
 the pedals the chain slipped, throwing me forward and when I caught myself
 I'm pretty sure I tore my rotator cuff (I'd fallen on the CT ice 3 or 4
 weeks ago and tweaked it pretty good. The slip today really hurt it.) So
 before heading to the emergency room for an X-ray, I went to get a new
 cassette. I returned from the hospital and put the cassette on and tried
 pedaling under a load and it still throws the chain violently. I put it on
 the stand and the chainrings are shark-toothed too, and need replaced.
 Typically, I have to change the cassette once per season. After today's
 debacle, I will never change the chain without changing the cassette. And
 inspect your chainrings!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

2015-03-21 Thread David Banzer
I think the MAXIMUM in maximum standover height is the key word. I think 
with the sloping top tube, if you tried to straddle the top tube right by 
the headset, that might be why they're using the qualifier, maximum.
Just thinkin'
David
Chicago

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 6:36:34 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:

 ^^^ THIS has been my hesitation/concern all along, too!^^

 As others have pointed out though, there seems to be some sort of 
 disconnect between the geometry numbers that we know about, the clearances 
 cited, the height recommendations given, and extrapolation from all other 
 Rivendell models we know about.  In the end, I just decided to put down the 
 money, take a chance, assume it will work better than the numbers suggest, 
 and hope for the best.   I think that particular stand-over height number 
 HAS to be lower than cited.  Or some other aspect of the bike will make it 
 not matter.  If I'm wrong, then I can sell the frame easy enough.  They'll 
 be worth $850 soon enough ;-)

 One reason that particular 34.75 number doesn't jive to me, is that 
 it's higher than any of my three even-larger (60cm) Rivendell road-ish 
 bikes.  Obviously,  basing it on the fattest tires that fits has 
 something to do with that fact, but that's what I (all of us?) do on the 
 other frames as well - so I'm still comparing apples to apples.  Like you 
 but even shorter, I have no clearance to spare on those frames. 

 Otherwise, there would seem to just be a big hole in the sizing, that 
 you and I ...and probably anyone between 6' and 6'-3... would fall 
 into.   Meanwhile, I know for certain that a 52 wouldn't fit me.  I 
 have a 52cm MB-1 which, even with a presumably much higher bottom bracket 
 and steeper seat tube angle than the Clem, is still WAY too small for me. 
 (Despite the fact that it was the right size for me in the early 90s and 
 that I rode it forever without knowing better.)  So the 52 would be even 
 worse for you or anyone taller than me.

 If there indeed is a hole in sizing, I could understand why it happened.   
 Each of the three sizes was obviously based on the three wheel sizes, and 
 proportioned accordingly.   (By the way, they have moved the order of the 
 photos around on the website, so it's easier to toggle between the three 
 elevation/side shots, and compare how the proportions change.)  But the 
 biggest disconnect for me, and cause for hope that it will work better than 
 the numbers suggest, is the fact that this particular range of 6' - 
 6'-3 (of which I fall exactly in the middle) happens to be the *exact*  
 range of rider heights recommended!

 It's going to be questionable for me, but I still can't help but think the 
 size has to be almost *perfect* for you.



 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:

 I was getting somewhat close to putting the money down for a 59cm Clem, 
 until I checked the geo chart and saw that it had a 34.75 standover 
 height. At 6'3 with a 91cm PBH, I already find my 62cm Cross Check taller 
 than what I want for around town riding, and it's a touch less than 34 in 
 standover height. When I've tried to use my CC as my kid puller/around town 
 bike, I quickly got tired of how close everything was at every stop (and 
 there are a LOT of stops when riding with kids). Nearly 35 is a deal 
 breaker.

 All of this is a very roundabout way of saying to be careful about how 
 tall an even bigger Clem would get.

 Of course, there's the Clementine, but that frame design has zero appeal 
 for me (while the broadly similar Cheviot looks pretty good, go figure).

 Eric 
 Dublin, OH


 On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Garth gart...@gmail.com wrote:


 Yes Matt, is does *appear *longer , even by measuring the full image 
 with a ruler onscreen where it definitely IS longer.   So there seems to be 
 direct contradiction here, with Keven's info and the image shown, which 
 should be noted is only a prototype. The production frames are non-existent 
 as of now . The pre-sale from the Blug info appears to be a pre pre-sale 
 even, earlier than they had planned or wanted but they need some cash . 

 It does not appear though, to be any higher front end than what Keven 
 said though, so to have an overly long TT and not a proportionately higher 
 head tube seems like it would be a bit odd .  Again , it's not until final 
 specs are officially confirmed does any of this matter !We're all 
 talking about Pie in the Sky, it looks great but you can't have it. 



 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:31:56 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:

 I'm sure the final geometry is probably still in the works but the top 
 tube on the prototype 59cm on the blug definitely looks longer than 
 61cm.It looks like it's about ~63cm actual, and maybe ~65cm horizontal.



 On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


   I had some questions about the Clem for Keven about the 59cm. Clem 
 that he graciously answered for me and 

[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Joe Bernard
Bill, if you don't have a blog, you should start one..you're pretty good at 
this writing thing. I've never bike-camped, and you're description of 
hitting those East Bay spots makes me want to. Hmm, RBW sells camping 
gear...

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 9:08:03 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The Clem rides like a Rivendell, meaning very nicely.  It's stout like my 
 Bombadil, but definitely more laid back and cruiserish.  

 The thing that the Clem does for me is more about me.  I'm a super 
 detailed bike builder.  I'm extremely proud of many of my builds, and I 
 dwell on them a lot.  I'm always thinking of ways to make my numerous 
 perfect bikes more perfecter.  The Clem feels to me like it is giving me 
 permission to just get on my bike and ride, and not think so dang hard 
 about stuff.  I probably won't buy a complete Clem, but Riv will have a 
 standard build of complete Clems.  Those bikes, I'm completely convinced, 
 could make me completely happy, and that would be the first off-the-rack 
 complete bike that could do that since I was 12.  That's magic, to me.  

 I imagine folks who can afford an Atlantis, but can't make themselves ride 
 a $4500 bicycle roughly without stressing out about it, so they don't buy 
 one or can't enjoy it.  The Clem is so darn inexpensive and so begging to 
 be used, that those people will have permission to go out and have fun and 
 not worry about it.  That's fantastic.  

 I also imagine folks who cannot afford an Atlantis, and lurk on the boards 
 all the time waiting to get one second hand, and have put all the mental 
 and emotional energy into a perfect bike that I've done.  I imagine those 
 people now see a Clem as their way to get something that is an affordable 
 way to get a perfect bike.  I imagine those people wanting to pore over the 
 geo-charts and worry about stem length and 8sp vs 9 and butt-lengths etc.  
 Those people I'm afraid might be frustrated by the process.  The Clem is 
 the Clem.  The details that don't matter, don't matter.  The Clem is not to 
 be swooned over, dwelled on.  The Clem gets me back to the idea of dwelling 
 on the memorable things I'm going to do on a bike, rather than dwelling on 
 the bike itself.  

 I may not buy one, because I'm already doing a Clem build the hard way (I 
 always do things the hard way).  A mid 80s lugged mountain bike is at the 
 framebuilder now getting a bunch of braze-ons.  The build is Clem-like.  If 
 I bought a Clem, I think it would be so I have a pair of camping bikes so 
 me and a companion can get out of Dodge any time and campout.  The thought 
 of doing that already has me excited.  I get home from work on a summer 
 Friday.  The Giants game is about to start.  Henry, let's bounce!  We 
 jump on the Paramountain and the Clem, with the AM radio, and gear, and 
 drop into Wildcat, Briones, Tilden, Chabot, you name it.  We camp out, 
 listen to the ball game, contemplate the stars, and come back in the 
 morning, new men.  Who cares what butt lengths you have when that's what 
 you are doing on your bike? 


 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 9:49:03 PM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:

 Bill,

 How'd it compare to the other Rivs you own?  You appear to have enough to 
 be considered a reliable authority.

 John

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I rolled by RBW HQ this morning and got to test ride a 52cm Clem.  I've 
 always felt lucky that I'm pretty much exactly Grant-sized.  Turns out 
 today I got to ride Grant's Clem prototype, and didn't even have to change 
 saddle height.  It's terrific.  It rides how I expected it to ride, meaning 
 it disappeared, made me smile, and made me reluctant to return it to them.  

 I don't know if I will pre-order, but if I do, the $150 they are paying 
 me to adopt early will go towards a set of Bosco Bullmooses.  That's the 
 bar for that bike.  

 Bill Lindsay
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Re: [RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Everyone seems to get many, many more miles out of everything than I do. I have 
to change cassettes each season. The proof is in the pudding. I put on a new 
chain, the bike doesn't shift well. I change the cassette, problem solved. I 
tend to wear stuff out. I'm not really sure why. I'm not a flyweight, and I 
tend to ride a bit bigger gear than others do. But I don't really mind 
replacing parts. It''s well worth it to ride a machine that shifts perfectly. 

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[RBW] Re: I test rode the Clem

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
Ahhh. That's were not having short term memory is a blessing! I don't 
remember how much me beastie was. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 2:06:47 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Thanks Deacon, but to be clear, I have no problem riding my Bombadil hard, 
 but I do have to actively choose to forget how expensive it is.  I also 
 have a nice beater in my Paramountain (with Bosco Bullmooses).  I might 
 have a Clem on the way, but I don't have one on the way yet.  

 B

 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:08:29 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Hey! Bill! I am thankful you found a problem I don't have! I have no 
 problem abusing my Hunqapillar, to which the numerous dings in the paint 
 attest. Grin. I am so glad you have a quality beater on the way!

 With abandon,
 Patrick



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[RBW] Re: Barcon cable routing

2015-03-21 Thread Ron Mc
hi, sorry I'm slow - that's my buddy's Dahon and supposed to be a bell, 
from the same Dutch folks who sell the solid copper fenders.  I like the 
fenders, but that bell is too soft-spoken.  

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 4:45:59 PM UTC-5, Minh wrote:

 hi ron, what is that copper disc in the second photo hanging off the back 
 of your stem?


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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Deacon Patrick
You think I'm THAT smart? Sardonic grin. I keep meaning to. I've broken my 
two old mini chain tools. Hopefully one of these day's I'll get them 
re-stocked in my bag. Still, I enjoyed the few miles of uphill running. All 
part of the fun! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: What color CSJs are folks buying?

2015-03-21 Thread Joe Bernard
White cables on green to recall British racers is a brilliant idea! I was 
leaning away from green if I get a Clem 'cause I just bought a green ANT 
Roadster, but your idea sounds really sharp. I've now officially committed 
to all three colors in the last few weeks. Oy!

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:14:23 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:

 Oooh, I get to post my first comment over here since thanks to Clem I will 
 finally be a Riv owner. I went with the green myself. The blue I like best, 
 but darnit, I just bought a Simcoe roadster last year in a similar (but 
 matte) hue of blue, and it's staying in my stable and I don't need two blue 
 bikes, so, British racing green it is! I'm thinking some white cable 
 housing to call to mind the white racing stripes typical on British racers 
 and it'll be a pretty sharp ride.

 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:40:56 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:

 I didn't want to like it (the Clem Jr.), and didn't until I saw them 
 painted.  So what colors are people preordering?  I like the blue but my 
 Sams blue and the green is probably great in person but man the pewter(?) 
 is sweet!   

 I was already preparing to sell my Cross Check to cull the herd but I bet 
 I could just swap a lot of parts, sell the frame and only be out of pocket 
 for a CSJ frame and wheelset.  So now I guess I'm looking at a sort of 
 lateral move?



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[RBW] WTB: Bosco or Alba

2015-03-21 Thread islaysteve
Can't help with the bars but just wanted to say, it sounds like you're a great 
Dad.  So cool that he's enjoying the bike rides!  Treasure this time. Cheers,
Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem info for the Tall and Long

2015-03-21 Thread iamkeith
^^^ THIS has been my hesitation/concern all along, too!^^

As others have pointed out though, there seems to be some sort of 
disconnect between the geometry numbers that we know about, the clearances 
cited, the height recommendations given, and extrapolation from all other 
Rivendell models we know about.  In the end, I just decided to put down the 
money, take a chance, assume it will work better than the numbers suggest, 
and hope for the best.   I think that particular stand-over height number 
HAS to be lower than cited.  Or some other aspect of the bike will make it 
not matter.  If I'm wrong, then I can sell the frame easy enough.  They'll 
be worth $850 soon enough ;-)

One reason that particular 34.75 number doesn't jive to me, is that 
it's higher than any of my three even-larger (60cm) Rivendell road-ish 
bikes.  Obviously,  basing it on the fattest tires that fits has 
something to do with that fact, but that's what I (all of us?) do on the 
other frames as well - so I'm still comparing apples to apples.  Like you 
but even shorter, I have no clearance to spare on those frames. 

Otherwise, there would seem to just be a big hole in the sizing, that you 
and I ...and probably anyone between 6' and 6'-3... would fall into.   
Meanwhile, I know for certain that a 52 wouldn't fit me.  I have a 52cm 
MB-1 which, even with a presumably much higher bottom bracket and steeper 
seat tube angle than the Clem, is still WAY too small for me. (Despite the 
fact that it was the right size for me in the early 90s and that I rode 
it forever without knowing better.)  So the 52 would be even worse for you 
or anyone taller than me.

If there indeed is a hole in sizing, I could understand why it happened.   
Each of the three sizes was obviously based on the three wheel sizes, and 
proportioned accordingly.   (By the way, they have moved the order of the 
photos around on the website, so it's easier to toggle between the three 
elevation/side shots, and compare how the proportions change.)  But the 
biggest disconnect for me, and cause for hope that it will work better than 
the numbers suggest, is the fact that this particular range of 6' - 
6'-3 (of which I fall exactly in the middle) happens to be the *exact*  
range of rider heights recommended!

It's going to be questionable for me, but I still can't help but think the 
size has to be almost *perfect* for you.



On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:

 I was getting somewhat close to putting the money down for a 59cm Clem, 
 until I checked the geo chart and saw that it had a 34.75 standover 
 height. At 6'3 with a 91cm PBH, I already find my 62cm Cross Check taller 
 than what I want for around town riding, and it's a touch less than 34 in 
 standover height. When I've tried to use my CC as my kid puller/around town 
 bike, I quickly got tired of how close everything was at every stop (and 
 there are a LOT of stops when riding with kids). Nearly 35 is a deal 
 breaker.

 All of this is a very roundabout way of saying to be careful about how 
 tall an even bigger Clem would get.

 Of course, there's the Clementine, but that frame design has zero appeal 
 for me (while the broadly similar Cheviot looks pretty good, go figure).

 Eric 
 Dublin, OH


 On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Garth gart...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:


 Yes Matt, is does *appear *longer , even by measuring the full image 
 with a ruler onscreen where it definitely IS longer.   So there seems to be 
 direct contradiction here, with Keven's info and the image shown, which 
 should be noted is only a prototype. The production frames are non-existent 
 as of now . The pre-sale from the Blug info appears to be a pre pre-sale 
 even, earlier than they had planned or wanted but they need some cash . 

 It does not appear though, to be any higher front end than what Keven 
 said though, so to have an overly long TT and not a proportionately higher 
 head tube seems like it would be a bit odd .  Again , it's not until final 
 specs are officially confirmed does any of this matter !We're all 
 talking about Pie in the Sky, it looks great but you can't have it. 



 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 5:31:56 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:

 I'm sure the final geometry is probably still in the works but the top 
 tube on the prototype 59cm on the blug definitely looks longer than 
 61cm.It looks like it's about ~63cm actual, and maybe ~65cm horizontal.



 On Wednesday, March 18, 2015 at 9:12:25 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:


   I had some questions about the Clem for Keven about the 59cm. Clem 
 that he graciously answered for me and thought I'd pass them along . 

 1. The head/front end(top of the head tube) on the Clem is virtually 
 identical in  height as my 60cm. Bombadil .  
 2. The top tube is 61cm-ish .  That's 2cm. shorter than the Bomba , 
 :(  . (Too short for me,, boo-hoo , lol )
 3. The head and seat angles he as not positive on, likely the same as 
 

[RBW] Re: What color CSJs are folks buying?

2015-03-21 Thread David Banzer
I picked the silver-ish gray originally, and was surprised to see the dark 
gray anthracite. I was envisioning something lighter shade with the silver 
descriptor, then seeing the green, kinda wished I picked that. I thought 
about seeing if colors can be changed, but figured, I'm sure I'll want each 
color at some point. Best to pick one at random, they all look great. After 
sitting on it, I'm happy with what I picked.
Also, just something to point out, when I called Riv to see if a large Clem 
would fit me, I asked about the colors. Not sure if I understood correctly, 
but it's possible that the all 3 colors (for each Clem or Clementine) will 
not be offered past the pre-order stage. 
David
Chicago

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 6:28:19 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

 White cables on green to recall British racers is a brilliant idea! I was 
 leaning away from green if I get a Clem 'cause I just bought a green ANT 
 Roadster, but your idea sounds really sharp. I've now officially committed 
 to all three colors in the last few weeks. Oy!

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:14:23 AM UTC-7, Zed Martinez wrote:

 Oooh, I get to post my first comment over here since thanks to Clem I 
 will finally be a Riv owner. I went with the green myself. The blue I like 
 best, but darnit, I just bought a Simcoe roadster last year in a similar 
 (but matte) hue of blue, and it's staying in my stable and I don't need two 
 blue bikes, so, British racing green it is! I'm thinking some white cable 
 housing to call to mind the white racing stripes typical on British racers 
 and it'll be a pretty sharp ride.

 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 10:40:56 PM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:

 I didn't want to like it (the Clem Jr.), and didn't until I saw them 
 painted.  So what colors are people preordering?  I like the blue but my 
 Sams blue and the green is probably great in person but man the pewter(?) 
 is sweet!   

 I was already preparing to sell my Cross Check to cull the herd but I 
 bet I could just swap a lot of parts, sell the frame and only be out of 
 pocket for a CSJ frame and wheelset.  So now I guess I'm looking at a sort 
 of lateral move?



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[RBW] Re: brake advice

2015-03-21 Thread Will
I almost did Moto-Lites, but 2 things got in the way: 1) I want to install 
a Tubus Logo Evo and the area looked conflicted for Moto-lites, and 2) the 
Atlantis has a very nice arched brake bridge that would get abandoned. 
Which seemed wrong. 

Brian, at Riv, reco'd the CX-70 cantis, which I strongly suspect will 
become my ending solution, once I change to 55s.

In the meantime, it occurred to me that I had a set of Riv's Tektro 720s on 
a project bike. So I re-read the Riv blurb on them, and liked it, 
especially since I'm running a relatively new set of touring 45s under the 
P65s.

And so... I installed the 720s this afternoon and gave them an 8 mile loop. 
Very, very, nice. 

Will

On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 5:03:05 PM UTC-5, Kurt Manley wrote:

 In addition., while I have canti's on three bikes I have been lusting 
 after the improved power of v brakes. I'd take Pauls recco and go Moto lite

 On Tuesday, March 17, 2015 at 2:59:39 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:

 What type of brake levers are you planning on running? 
 The motolites that Paul recommended are long pull, all the others are 
 short pull. The mini motos are designed so you can run a linear pull brake 
 with an sti or other short pull lever without using an adapter. Unless 
 you're running short pull levers I'd do motolites with matching long pull 
 levers if you want v brakes. If you already have levers then look at the 
 mini moto. 
 I have Paul neo-retro (wide canti's) and shimano cx-70s on two different 
 bikes and while the pauls look nicer I have to deflate the tire to remove 
 it. The cx-70s work pretty much the same but I don't have to deflate to 
 remove. This might not seem like a big deal but it's a pain. And this is 
 from someone who almost never put's his bike in a car. 



 On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 3:00:20 PM UTC-7, Will wrote:

 I have a new-to-me Atlantis that needs brakes. I've just installed P65 
 Longboards and am thinking about either Paul Touring Cantilevers or Paul 
 Mini-Motos. 

 Any/all experience is solicited. I want to get this right. 

 Thanks

 Will



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[RBW] Re: Stainless dropouts on non-custom Rivendell models?

2015-03-21 Thread Dave Johnston
Looks like the dropouts on my waterford built Heron, which are stainless 
steel and were masked off during paint to show the bare stainless.

It's probably a Waterford thing, the Toyo built Atlantis were not 
stainless. I believe stainless has to be silver brazed as well, which is an 
additional expense.

-Dave



On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:14:23 AM UTC-4, Zach A wrote:

 I might be mistaken, but my non-drive dropout on my Atlantis seems to be 
 stainless.  I'm guessing the drive side probably is too, but it was fully 
 painted. Chipping after maiden build shows steel with a similar luster and 
 lack of corrosion.  Anyone else's steed have these?

 - Z


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Re: [RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Matt B.
Fenders and especially a good mudflap can really prolong drive-train 
life.I'm just guessing but the increase in lifespan is maybe 4-5x.



On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:21:22 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

 Everyone seems to get many, many more miles out of everything than I do. I 
 have to change cassettes each season. The proof is in the pudding. I put on 
 a new chain, the bike doesn't shift well. I change the cassette, problem 
 solved. I tend to wear stuff out. I'm not really sure why. I'm not a 
 flyweight, and I tend to ride a bit bigger gear than others do. But I don't 
 really mind replacing parts. It''s well worth it to ride a machine that 
 shifts perfectly. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Stainless dropouts on non-custom Rivendell models?

2015-03-21 Thread David Hallerman
Yes, it seems to be a Waterford thing, as with the Gunnar frame that came to 
live with me only yesterday and has shiny stainless steel dropouts.

But I don't know if they need to be brazed, since the Gunnar is a welded frame.



 On Mar 21, 2015, at 8:53 PM, Dave Johnston jdi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Looks like the dropouts on my waterford built Heron, which are stainless 
 steel and were masked off during paint to show the bare stainless.
 
 It's probably a Waterford thing, the Toyo built Atlantis were not stainless. 
 I believe stainless has to be silver brazed as well, which is an additional 
 expense.
 
 -Dave
 
 
 
 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 10:14:23 AM UTC-4, Zach A wrote:
 I might be mistaken, but my non-drive dropout on my Atlantis seems to be 
 stainless.  I'm guessing the drive side probably is too, but it was fully 
 painted. Chipping after maiden build shows steel with a similar luster and 
 lack of corrosion.  Anyone else's steed have these?
 
 - Z
 
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[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

2015-03-21 Thread DS
Nice! familiar territory for me, makes me a little homesick to see pictures 
of those rolling TN hills. I graduated from MTSU and lived in Nashville and 
middle TN for ~10 years. The only bike camping I did was down the Natchez 
Trace. Is there a link to the route map that you did on that site? Didn't 
see anything. Fall Creek Falls was also on my list of hikes I meant to do 
and never did!

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:53:01 AM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:

 I took my first little tour with my Sam. Mileage was a little much for my 
 cycling condition in these TN rolling hills, but I had a good time. They 
 wouldn't let me move the parks I wanted to go to closer. 
 Patrick, I tied a large shop sack on my back rack. 
 Here is a little write up: 
 http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/2015MidTN 

 When I returned, my friend was in shock in how wasteful I was with my 
 weight, like leaving on my trail a bike hitch and child seat attachment. 

 What are the wasteful or luxury items you take on a tour despite the 
 weight? My main one was the Grundens poncho: big and relatively heavy, but 
 I enjoyed it on the way home in the rain. 

 Got a lot of tips from this group along the way and used many riv things: 
 Poncho, MUSA shorts and pants, riv cap, Sam Hillborne, little esbit 
 alcohol cube stove, folding saw (didn't need that), etc... 
 Got me hankering for a nice set of touring panniers. 
 Edwin

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[RBW] Re: Lil' Tour, Sam Style

2015-03-21 Thread WETH
Edwin,
I enjoyed your journal and photographs.  Thanks for sharing; your experience 
has me eager to get in an over night or two this spring.
Many thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread Don Compton
Deacon,
I always enjoy your posts. You are just hard on chains. You ride in a lot 
of bad weather, even in snow. I have found that my personal solution is to 
buy KMC chains and change more often ( 3000 miles). For you exploits, you 
may want to consider changing your chain twice a year. Also, you will ruin 
your cassette with a worn, stretched out chain.
Please keep posting your rides. They're incredible.
Don C.

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 11:02:11 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Plowing through the snow attempting to make Rampart Reservoir, my nine 
 speed chain that is less than a year old decided to shatter a side link. 
 I’m not talking a pin pipping out and a bent side. The pin blew out the 
 side so there is a very open “O-C where there used to be an “O-O.”

 LCG to the rescue! I LCGed my way back up to the road, then ran up the 
 hills and coasted down the hills till I reached my LBS. Chain replaced, 
 headed for the grocery, and it’s all good!

 Adventure rarely looks like what you plan, but it is always fun!

 Where the chain died: 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/16261959554/in/photostream/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org http://www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
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[RBW] Re: Stainless dropouts on non-custom Rivendell models?

2015-03-21 Thread Bill
My DTT Sam was one of the first of the Waterfords and the rear dropouts look 
the same as your Atlantis.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chains do not like me.

2015-03-21 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Good advice Matt. I use fenders, but I ride year round and I'm not at all 
proactive about cleaning. I'm guessing the amount of grit and grime from the 
New England winters has substantially lessened the lifespan of my drivetrain.

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[RBW] WTB: Bosco or Alba

2015-03-21 Thread Dave
I've got a like new bosco 58cm in cromo out in the Bay Area.  $70 shipped?

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Re: [RBW] What color CSJs are folks buying?

2015-03-21 Thread Anne Paulson
I'm going to pull the trigger for a large British racing green Clem
for my son, the Bike Destroyer. It's the perfect bike for him.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Conway Bennett
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I didn't want to like it (the Clem Jr.), and didn't until I saw them painted. 
  So what colors are people preordering?  I like the blue but my Sams blue and 
 the green is probably great in person but man the pewter(?) is sweet!

 I was already preparing to sell my Cross Check to cull the herd but I bet I 
 could just swap a lot of parts, sell the frame and only be out of pocket for 
 a CSJ frame and wheelset.  So now I guess I'm looking at a sort of lateral 
 move?

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1985 Trek 420 Sport Touring - lugged Waterloo-made goodness. Nitto, Brooks, n' more. and 26 conversion final report.

2015-03-21 Thread allenmichael
Interested in 650b configuration. What size?

Michael Allen

On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 3:18:50 PM UTC-7, cbone97 wrote:

 So here is my can I convert a 27wheel to 26 wheel? project bike.  The 
 answer is yes - thanks to those bigTektro beach cruiser brakes which have 
 been mentioned on other threads herein.  I even think it looks pretty cool 
 and rides just great.  

 Then RBW just had to show me an anthracite Clem Smith Jr.; and so to avoid 
 divorce and partially fund my dream bike, I'm offering the 420 up for sale. 
  I prefer PP. Shipping charges would apply, or I can work something out to 
 deliver from Kansas City to St. Louis.  All of the non-stock components are 
 new, nearly new, or very very good condition. Check out the pics of the 26 
 configuration and original catalog page here:

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/124629332@N02/sets/72157651417943956/

 http://www.vintage-trek.com/images/trek/85TrekSport.pdf


 I will sell it any one of several ways:
 - *Stock / All Original Components (minus original rack and saddle) *but 
 with new Kenda 1 3/8 knobby tires (I also have the original tires, which 
 were on it when i bought this bike.  they barely show any wear, ie this 
 bike was never ridden much and the condition shows that it was treated very 
 kindly.  The original front wheel could use a truing as it is slightly out 
 of round. *$150 *plus shipping.

 *- 650b converter's delight: *dead stock original PLUS a set of RIV 
 SILVER brakes in excellent condition:  *$250* plus shipping.  (sadly, 
 the silvers don't work for 26 or 27 wheels)

 *- 26 NITTO / BROOKS / Velo Orange Poor Man's Riv *in the 26 
 configuration including new Grip King pedals, Tektro brakes, new Michelin 
 Country Rock 1.75 tires, Brooks B17 aged, Nitto dirt drop stem and Nitto 
 B132 rando bars, Tektro TRP RRL levers, and a new Sunrace thumbie, new 
 Vuelta MUSA 38t chainring and new 6-sp Shimano Mega-range cassette, new 
 chain, and a new Riv gray cable set still in the bag.  Also includes a new 
 rear wheel built: a beautiful Velo Orange high-flange freewheel hub (126mm) 
 laced to a Velocity NoBS rim by Ben's Cycle of Milwaukee.  36h and appears 
 bomb-proof.The only stuff NOT included is the front wheel that I 
 borrowed from another bike and that beautiful grid grey xs saddlebag 
 (although anything is negotiable).  Otherwise as-pictured AND includes all 
 the original parts to return the bike to dead stock condition including the 
 old and new 27 tires.   *$500 *plus shipping.
  
 - somewhere in between.  maybe someone will want the stock bike and 
 someone else will want the other stuff.  maybe you want the awesome rear 
 wheel that was hand-built with love and those Tektros that will let you 
 convert your own 27 whip.  we can talk.

 Feel free to contact me on or off list.  Thanks for watching.


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[RBW] WTB Nitto Albastache

2015-03-21 Thread Bruce Smitham
I just bought a used 61cm Riv Atlantis that I've been working on. I would love 
to buy a used Albastache handlebar if anyone has one they are not using. I've 
had them but sold them to a list member a while back. Hit me up off line. I can 
also trade if anybody needs Noodle 44cm or 46cm.

Cheers,

Bruce in San Diego 310-968-6910

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