[RBW] Re: WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

[sameness]

Here's a possible option 
.
 


Maybe hit up David and see if he's got enough fabric left over to bang out 
another bag? 

His work is great.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

[René Sterental]

I have one in black I'm about to post for sale. Excellent condition. PM me
if you're interested.

René

On Thursday, March 3, 2016, drew  wrote:

> There is currently one on eBay.
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[RBW] WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

[drew]

There is currently one on eBay.

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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Jim Bronson]

The Michelin Pro 2/3/4 Race/Endurance are great tires if you can get them
for a reasonable price.  I just don't have a bike anymore that they are
suitable for.  I don't run anything under 38mm.  But when I did have a bike
that would take 28s I ran the "25" labeled version for a number of years
with highly satisfactory results.
On Mar 2, 2016 7:56 PM, "Don Compton"  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one(
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb.
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotourist]

Hear that everyone ,Reid's bringing the wine!!!

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Reid  wrote:

> Yeah, except seeing all those Rivs scurrying around the mountain for a
> couple of days would drive me nuts if I can't do anything but sit on the
> porch with a glass of wine. Wait a minute ... Maybe I'd better rethink
> this. :-)
>
> Reid
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:00:29 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Reid, the Inn would be a WONDERFUL place to heal up and recuperate! It is
>> a two mile hike/ride to get there, but have your Dr. give you a placard,
>> and you can get ADA access!!!
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>>>
>>> Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe,"
>>> just sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome.
>>> Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH
>>> and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by
>>> then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal
>>> up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And
>>> for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came
>>> through without a scratch.  :-)
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>
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[RBW] FS: Tall Guy Legolas

[Chad]

Someone is going to get a great bike. I've long drooled over this one on the 
staff bike's page.  Wish it was my size!

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[RBW] WTB: Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

[Zach Duval]

Looking for the bag above, preferably in Ranger Tan to match my saddlebag bag. 
I know it's a long-shot with these bags, but any help would be appreciated.

Open as well to offers of other Rando-style bags you may be looking to unload.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Reid]

Yeah, except seeing all those Rivs scurrying around the mountain for a 
couple of days would drive me nuts if I can't do anything but sit on the 
porch with a glass of wine. Wait a minute ... Maybe I'd better rethink 
this. :-)

Reid

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:00:29 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Reid, the Inn would be a WONDERFUL place to heal up and recuperate! It is 
> a two mile hike/ride to get there, but have your Dr. give you a placard, 
> and you can get ADA access!!!
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>>
>> Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe," 
>> just sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome. 
>> Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH 
>> and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by 
>> then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal 
>> up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And 
>> for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came 
>> through without a scratch.  :-)
>>
>> Reid
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Mark Williams]

As I mentioned in my first post, this is the 2nd frame I received from Riv. 
 The first had the rear brake bridge too high so the pads touched the tire- 
of course you find this out when the build is about complete... But that 
frame had fancier lugwork- it was a long time ago but I think the 
chainstays at the BB was nicer and maybe another area of lugs.  But mine is 
another batch.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:53:34 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> Les - yes, exactly!  Only now I'm really confused because I thought that 
> the very last batch of Ram's sold were painted green.  So...if the same 
> Japanese shop that brazed together the originals did the entire run they 
> must have randomly used the "pierced" dropout as they went along.  To tell 
> the truth, it's always kind of made me nervous, because even though It has 
> no cracks or signs of failure (yet)  I view it as a potential weak point - 
> those slender sections of steel.  It would be interesting to know of the 
> Ram owners who have had dropout failures, how many of their frames has this 
> particular design.
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:42:01 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> George,
>> Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
>> one?
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange 
>>> Ram has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
>>> batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
>>>  Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
>>> your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:

 Hi George, 
 Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
 reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any 
 more- 
 my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
 didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
 derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
 couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
 grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
 I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a 
 model designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.


 On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special 
> bike, 
> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and 
> it 
> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. 
> date 
> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about 
> the 
> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>
> Thanks, George
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) 
>> with 
>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for 
>> fair 
>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year 
>> round 
>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender 
>> it 
>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>>
>>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard 
>>> to put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

[Patrick Moore]

Got it. So, with a Sturmey Archer column nut, and a shift rod/chain instead
of the screw-on knuckle, I should not have to worry.

That's what I need to know -- many thanks!

Patrick

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 6:45 PM, JohnS  wrote:

> Yes, so that the nut didn't extend beyond the axel and so that there was
> enough room for the shift knuckle and it's lock nut.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Has anyone done this? Any problems?
>>
>> Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114,
>> and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to
>> accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.
>>
>> I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.
>>
>> A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[George Schick]

Les - yes, exactly!  Only now I'm really confused because I thought that 
the very last batch of Ram's sold were painted green.  So...if the same 
Japanese shop that brazed together the originals did the entire run they 
must have randomly used the "pierced" dropout as they went along.  To tell 
the truth, it's always kind of made me nervous, because even though It has 
no cracks or signs of failure (yet)  I view it as a potential weak point - 
those slender sections of steel.  It would be interesting to know of the 
Ram owners who have had dropout failures, how many of their frames has this 
particular design.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:42:01 PM UTC-6, Leslie wrote:
>
> George,
> Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
> one?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
>  
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange 
>> Ram has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
>> batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
>>  Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
>> your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi George, 
>>> Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
>>> reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any more- 
>>> my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
>>> didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
>>> derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
>>> couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
>>> grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
>>> I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a model 
>>> designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:

 Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
 should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
 if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
 that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
 sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
 of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
 dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about 
 the 
 serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
 orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.

 Thanks, George

 On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) 
> with 
> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for 
> fair 
> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender 
> it 
> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
> performance of the Ultegra group.
> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard 
>> to put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: BLUG Roadeo size?

[Leslie]

It says 57 now


On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 11:29:04 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> The Mar 2 BLUG entry on the new demo Roadeo at RBW WHQ says the frame is a 
> 55.
> The head tube looks significantly longer than the one on Mark's 55 Roadeo 
> in the staff bikes section.
> Am I cross eyed? Is one of these not a 55? Typo?
> What do you all think?
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Leslie]

George,
Do you mean, the pierced dropout, with the window through it?  Like this 
one?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/4320448965/in/album-72157623199721925/
 



On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange 
> Ram has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
> batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
>  Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
> your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> Hi George, 
>> Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
>> reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any more- 
>> my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
>> didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
>> derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
>> couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
>> grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
>> I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a model 
>> designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
>>> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
>>> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
>>> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
>>> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
>>> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
>>> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>>>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the 
>>> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
>>> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>>>
>>> Thanks, George
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:

 It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
 owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
 the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for 
 fair 
 weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
 utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
 up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
 performance of the Ultegra group.
 Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
 derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
 Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
 plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!


 On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>
> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard 
> to put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Tubus Vega Evo rack in Silver

[Leif Eckstrom]

Sold, pending payment. Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: How to clean the Word's Dirtiest Saddlebag?

[Joe Bernard]

Your tolerance for beausage may be stronger than mine ;)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Tall Guy Legolas

[Philip Williamson]

That's a great looking bike!

Phillip
www.biketinker.com

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:57:31 PM UTC-8, Sean Hipkin wrote:
>
> Hi folks! Been throwing around the idea of letting go of my beloved 62cm 
> Legolas. It's a rad bike but I just don't ride it very much. Been Looking 
> into swapping it for more of a mountain bike. Anyways, Just wanted to see 
> if there was any interest. 
>
> I would like to sell it as a complete bike + some extra tires, brake 
> levers ext.. for $2600 OBO. (bags, saddle, peddles not included) 
>
> PS: This Legolas was custom built by Mark Nobilette so it is slightly 
> different than a "normal" Lego. It has a quill stem and clearance to fit 
> 33mm tires well. The frame has a few small blems in the paint from riding 
> primarily off road, but nothing bad. The Tan paint job and a little dirt 
> hides the blems well. 
>
> Email me if you would like more info. I also attached a photo of the bike 
> in it's latest form. 
>
> Some of the parts include:
>
> DT Hugi hubs
> Rear wheel (dyad rim)
> Front wheel (A23 rim) 
> nitto 100mm stem
> Dura-Ace "Shimano team" seat post, Fancy!
> Nitto noodle 46cm bars
> Shimano bar ends
> sugino compact double crank 
> I also have some extra cross tires and Sram levers I'll throw in
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
> Sean
>
>

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[M D Smith]

Many many moons ago, I bought a limited-release deep ("Northumbrian" 
according to GP) green Lowsaddle Longflap from Rivendell.  (A short run was 
mentioned in the "Progress Report" in an early Reader [remember those 
days?] with a "give us a call if you want to buy one" directive.)

I was living in Austin, TX at the time and I was assistant brewer at the 
late, great Waterloo Brewing Company.  (RIP- at the corner of 4th and 
Guadalupe across form Republic Square Park, for those in Austin.)  One of 
the first days I had it strapped on my bike I had ridden to work and locked 
up to a street sign on Guadalupe, right in front of a giant plate glass 
window.  On the other side of this window was Waterloo's "brew house"- the 
set of kettles where the brew is actually made.  I started mashing in the 
morning's brew.  "Mashing in" is the first step in the brewing process and 
it involves mixing the ground barley with hot water with a large stainless 
steel paddle.  Imagine a metal version of a canoe paddle.  And lots of 
steam, and it's really heavy, that paddle.  Brewing ain't easy.

Well, the grain started coming down, the water was steaming hot, and the 
brew was under way.  As was usual, my eyeglasses started to fog up, so I 
turned my head away from the open vat of steaming water.  As my glasses 
slowly cleared, I happened to be looking out the plate glass window.  I 
found myself silently admiring my "horseless horse" and it's classy new 
saddlebag just as an extremely unsavory character (no shirt, long scraggly 
hair, beat up mountain bike) coasted down Guadalupe and slowed to a stop 
right beside my trusty steed.  To my horror this nefarious miscreant 
proceeded to pull a humongous Bowie knife out of his backpack and set 
himself upon cutting the leather straps attaching my beautiful new 
Carradice to my perfectly broken-in Brooks saddle!!!

Time slowed to a crawl as my brain attempted to process what my eyes were 
seeing...  Instinct kicked in.  I screamed "Hey!!!" at the top of my lungs 
(impotently, as the thick glass stifled any chance my shout could startle 
the reprobate) and attempted to slam my fist against the glass.  The 
brewhouse platform upon which I stood was just a bit too far away from the 
window for me to connect.  My coworker, startled by my outburst, quickly 
assessed what was happening.  She tore out the door to confront the 
evildoer.  As a spied the knife beginning to slice into the fine English 
cowhide I lost any semblance of reason.  Without further thought, I drew 
the forty pound, stainless steel mash paddle out of the mash tun and heaved 
it towards the window.  Julie, by this point, was out the door and yelled 
as she rounded the corner of the building onto the street.  Her cry was 
enough to startle the ne'er-do-well.  He sheathed his blade, casually 
mounted his junker, and rolled away down the hill as if nothing had 
happened (thank God, because in all the commotion no one had thought to 
consider that a 90 pound woman was rushing outside to confront a 
knife-wielding ruffian...)  

My senses suddenly snapped back to the present and I realized instantly 
that not only was my bag safe, but I was swinging a giant piece of metal at 
a plate glass window.  My muscles tensed up and I managed to halt the 
paddle mid-swing, flinging a clod of oatmeal-like mash on to the window but 
stopping with just an inch to spare before surely shattering the glass and 
any hope of my continued employment at the storied brewpub.

The clod of mash slowly congealed and began sliding down the window as I 
returned my attention to the task at hand, continuing to mash in the brew I 
had just started.  My adrenaline rush began to subside and I thanked Julie 
for thinking quick and saving my handsome new Carradice.  Once all the 
grain was safely mixed in, I went out and brought my bike into a more 
protected spot inside the brewery's courtyard.

I had one other (earlier) experience on that same block.  Another scoundrel 
attempted to cut the padlock off my cable lock with bolt cutters wrapped up 
in a t-shirt.  I actually caught him mid-snip.  (Austin, and particularly 
that block, was significantly more seedy in the mid '90s than it is 
now...)  I luckily arranged a much more secure indoor parking situation 
after that and now insist on a stouter U-lock.

But yes, you are correct Patrick, the biggest variable is where you leave 
the bike.  I now live in New York City and I consider these all valuable 
lessons learned.  

I still have that green Carradice Lowsaddle Longflap and kept it on that 
bike for years after this episode.  It's pretty much worn out-  
sun-bleached, patched, stitched-up, and basically retired.  I replaced the 
one partially cut strap, but kept the original as a memento.  In the "big 
city" I have taken to using a single pannier, removing it and bringing it 
with me whenever I leave the bike.  I would not leave *anything* attached 
my bike here...  (And I've jammed BBs and 

[RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

[JohnS]

Yes, so that the nut didn't extend beyond the axel and so that there was 
enough room for the shift knuckle and it's lock nut.

JohnS

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Has anyone done this? Any problems?
>
> Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114, 
> and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to 
> accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.
>
> I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.
>
> A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.
>
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>
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[RBW] FS: Tall Guy Legolas

[Sean Hipkin]

Also, That price includes shipping 

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[George Schick]

Mark - Glad to hear about your decision to keep the Ram!  My own orange Ram 
has serial number RB0433, which kind of makes me think that there was a 
batch of those frames built with that particular type of dropout. 
 Interesting.  BTW, pull up a web pic of the Ideale 90 and compare it to 
your bike in its original configuration.  I think you'll see the similarity.


On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:18:05 PM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> Hi George, 
> Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
> reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any more- 
> my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
> didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
> derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
> couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
> grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
> I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a model 
> designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
>> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
>> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
>> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
>> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
>> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
>> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the 
>> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
>> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>>
>> Thanks, George
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>>
>>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
>>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
>>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
>>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
>>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:

 All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
 put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?




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Re: [RBW] Re: What's Left (Re: Yet another late winter FS list (Clem Smith,Choco moose))

[David Sprunger]

Matt,

Yes, I still have the Choco Moose bars. I greased them and put them on my
Cheviot but after sitting on the bike in my basement ended up sticking with
the Bosco Moose bars instead. I didn't even put levers or grips on the
Chocos.  I would definitely say they're in great shape.

My paypal is sprun...@cord.edu.

Let me know if you have other questions. I could take a picture but there's
not much to see that Riv doesn't show better.

David


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:26 PM, HunqRider  wrote:

> Hi David,
> Are the Choco Moose bars still available?
>>
>> Are they in great shape?
> If yes, then I'll take 'em!
> I have been thinking about taking off the Noodle drop bars from my
> Hunqapillar, and putting on something more upright and comfortable.  I';m
> hoping that the Choco-Moose will fit the bill.
> Thanks,
> Matt
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Mark Williams]

Hi George, 
Believe it or not, discovering this forum 24 hours ago has caused me to 
reconsider- I'm keeping the Ramby!   I'm retired so don't commute any more- 
my riding is pleasure and errands. I liked having a bike with components I 
didn't mind wearing out and replacing for the commuter- SunTour VXGT 
derailleur, old brakes with excellent pads, etc. and I did wear out a 
couple of BB cups and lots of chainrings.  Seattle's rain brings lots of 
grit up on the drivetrain.  I'll sell the Trek 420- its a good bike. 
I'm pretty sure that old saddle was a Brooks, but it didn't have a model 
designation on it. Model # for the Ram is RB028.


On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:52:37 PM UTC-8, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the 
> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>
> Thanks, George
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>>
>>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, John. When you say that you had to reduce the nut thickness by
~20%, was this because the nut had a non-threaded portion at the inward
end, or was this so that the nut didn't extend beyond the axle on the
outside?

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:58 AM, JohnS  wrote:

> Hello Patrick,
>
> I'm pretty sure my 2 speed Bendix hub is 114 as well. I moved one of
> the wide washers from out board of the drop out to be in board. This nudged
> it up to about 118, which I though was close enough to 120. I used a chain
> tug since my hub is fixed. Adding in the thickness of the QB drop out left
> insufficient space for the axel nuts that came with the hub. So I ground
> down the nuts on the bench grinder since they were pretty wide. I may have
> taken off maybe 1/5 the width of the nuts. Works fine. The chain tug does
> the work of keeping the wheel in place.
>
> Hopes this helps,
> JohnS
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Has anyone done this? Any problems?
>>
>> Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114,
>> and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to
>> accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.
>>
>> I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.
>>
>> A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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[RBW] FS: Bags, Round 2.

[David Banzer]

I've a couple bags left from the last round I listed, now selling some more 
personal bags. I've been busy making bags for others, that by the time I 
get around to finishing bags for myself, my bag needs and bike arrangements 
have changed, leaving more unneeded bags. Doing a couple combos as well. 
Including some other bags in this list too, lowered prices on a couple.

Shipping is a flat $7 per order, sent USPS Priority mail.
Items are listed in my webstore, treetop.bigcartel.com. Please follow the 
links for photos and if you'd like to buy something, purchase it through 
the webstore please.
Payment can be made with a credit/debit card or with Paypal. 
Local Chicago pickup works, just kindly pay for anything through the 
webstore. Use code LOCAL to take off the shipping charge.
Thanks,
David
Chicago

1. Basket Bag & Saddlebag Combo - tan waxed canvas, basket bag fits a Wald 
137, these have been used over the past week - $100 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-basket-bag-saddlebag-combo

2. Front Bar Bag & Wedge Combo - water repellent #8 olive green canvas, 2 
3d pockets on the front bag - $100 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/front-bar-bag-wedge-combo

3. 14" Tall Rando Bag - yep, 14" tall, this one I started months ago for 
myself, switched the intended bike to upright bars, and now the bag won't 
fit, big bummer that I can't use it - $200 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-14-tall-custom-design

4. Basic Rando Bag - 10" tall, olive green canvas, zippered pocket on top 
instead of map sleeve - $100 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/randonneur-bag-basic-version

5. Boxy Bar/Saddlebag - olive green canvas - $50 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-boxy-bar-saddle-bag-olive-green

6. Saddle Wedge - black canvas - $50 - 
http://treetop.bigcartel.com/product/ready-made-saddle-wedge-black

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[RBW] FS - 4 Biopace rings

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've pulled 4 Shimano 110 BCD Biopace rings from the parts bin and cleaned 
them up for you die-hards. (Two) 46T; one, a Biopace-HP; one a Biopace II; 
a 36T middle; a 26T inner. All used and in good condition, except for the 
middle ring, which has shark-teeth and not likely good to go.

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$25, which includes $6.45 for a USPS Flat Rate envelope. PayPal or check. 
Respond off-list to keep things uncluttered please.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[John Bokman]

I had a seat post, saddle, and Carradice stolen in one fell swoop one night 
as it sat unattended outside of work in downtown Portland, Oregon. In over 
10 years in the same neighborhood, this happened just the once, but it was 
painful! It can definitely happen.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:56:18 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:
>
> i leave a carradice barley on one bike and a saddlesack medium on the 
> other. both are zip-tied and both have a small cable that runs through some 
> leather part of the bag, rack, and saddle rail. not theft proof by any 
> means, but so far it has been enough to deter thievery of the bag itself. i 
> have had weird random stuff taken from the bag that i didnt notice 
> immediately- patch kit, mini pump, wrench...oddly on 3 separate occasions. 
> i mean, why take a patch kit and not a pump, then a pump but not a patch 
> kit..
>
> anyway...i live in los angeles, have had 2 bikes stolen (though at the 
> time, i wasnt locking up in the best way and left them overnight), and am 
> now pretty conservative about location of locking and duration of time 
> locked up. 
>
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[RBW] Re: New tire

[Jack K]

Hey Don and fellow iBOB's,

This is quite a timely post! I was shopping online for Michelin Pro4 
Endurance 700x28 tires this morning. The 28mm Endurance has been out for a 
while, but there's not much user info or reviews of them available online. 
My main question is actual size of the 700x28 labelled tire. Can you 
provide some insight on that? 

I've been running the 700x25 Pro4 Service Course, which measures 
considerably bigger (I measure just under 27mm wide on my Open Pro rims). 
Hopefully the 700x28 Endurance are also bigger than marked. But by how 
much??  Here's a very interesting write-up of the Pro4 Endurance V2 tire on 
BicycleRollingResistance.com:
http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/michelin-pro-4-endurance-v2-2015
The reviewer measured the Pro4 Endurance V2 700x25 at 28 mm wide -- 
seriously oversized. Note that the Endurance model has thicker tread than 
the Service Course, as well as a bead to bead breaker layer for flat 
protection on both the tread and sidewall. This is not a fragile racing 
tire, yet it scores extremely well in the referenced rolling resistance 
tests. 

Another tire I'm very interested in is the Continental GP4000S II in the 
largest 700x28 size. BicycleRollingResistance.com measured this tire at a 
whopping 31mm wide and it appears to garner even lower rolling resistance 
scores in their testing, though it also appears to be less long lived and 
have less protection than the Pro4 Endurance. Anyone running the Conti 
GP4000S II in 700x28?

Patrick's experience with Pro4 Service Course and Elk Pass tires is 
interesting, but perhaps not a very "apples to apples" comparison. As he 
stated, his Pro4 SC's (which I suspect were the original V1 model, which 
had higher rolling resistance than the more substantial V2 Endurance) 
measured a dainty 22mm wide, while the Compass Elk Pass tires measured a 
much more girthy 28mm (though far from the marked 32mm size).

Anyone else with firsthand user experience with the big 700x28 versions of 
the Pro4 Endurance or GP4000S II?

-Jack K.

Raleigh, NC  (though temporarily calling Ann Arbor, MI home)

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 8:56:55 PM UTC-5, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one( 
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had 
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance 
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb. 
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
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[RBW] Re: What's Left (Re: Yet another late winter FS list (Clem Smith,Choco moose))

[HunqRider]

Hi David,
Are the Choco Moose bars still available?
>
> Are they in great shape?
If yes, then I'll take 'em!
I have been thinking about taking off the Noodle drop bars from my 
Hunqapillar, and putting on something more upright and comfortable.  I';m 
hoping that the Choco-Moose will fit the bill.
Thanks,
Matt

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Re: [RBW] on bike bag theft

[sameness]

No kidding. Compared to my Carradice, I'd dress an open wound with that 
Baggins.

Which is probably why mine's never been stolen.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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>
> Glad it's not as dirty as you thought...the bag didn't look horrendous to 
> me
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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[masmojo]

I recently got a new Swift saddlebag and I have been having similar concerns,  
I've only used cheap bags in the past so it's uncomfortable new territory.  My 
first thought is that any thief is probably going to want to take the whole 
bike! The bag and/or it's contents are going to be a secondary plan and even if 
they are not secured would require time to deal with. I try not to linger 
anywhere that something of this nature will be a problem. 
This brings up the other obvious concern,  either park it in a high visibility 
area hopping that although any thief can see it he will also be self conscious 
about stealing anything OR park it in a secluded area hoping no one will notice 
it, but then no one would notice someone messing with it either. 
As someone else said making it look crappy would certainly be effective,  but I 
can't bring myself to do that! Now if years of beausage made it less appealing 
thats fine & preferable to me.

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Re: [RBW] on bike bag theft

[Ryan Fleming]

Glad it's not as dirty as you thought...the bag didn't look horrendous to me

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 3:59:18 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> One well known trick is to get the bag so dirty that anyone thinking of 
> stealing it says "Eeewww!"
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> Seriously, I got it today (thanks, Joe) and it really is not as bad as 
> appears in the photos. I probably won't even bother cleaning it -- it's not 
> sticky or greasy.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Patrick D Kelly  > wrote:
>
>> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
>> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>>
>> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
>> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
>> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
>> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>>
>> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were 
>> stolen out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the 
>> thief had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That 
>> bag was seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>>
>> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
>> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
>> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
>> thoughts/experience on this?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
>> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
>> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Ryan Fleming]

I think the Legolas certainly has lighter tubing than the Ram, but not 
necessarily the Roadeo. Recent BLUG post indicated that it's not intended 
to be a beast of burden...it's a racing bike

 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 4:08:13 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Is the Legolas not built of lighter tubing than the Roadeo or Ram? 
>
> I liked my blue Ram, but found it rather overbuilt and sedate in handling 
> for a gofast -- it made a very good commuting and errand bike, but I 
> already had a Riv custom for that, so I sold it.
>
> But for a sort of "road all rounder," it is a very good design.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>  
>
>> Unless I am wrong, the Ram and the Roadeo are probably the lightest and 
>> fastest bikes Riv ever made, so if you like that kind of thing, don't let 
>> it go.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Tim Gavin]

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 4:07 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Is the Legolas not built of lighter tubing than the Roadeo or Ram?
>
> I understand that the Roadeo and Legolas use the same tubing, give or
take.  Possibly different fork blades (sidepull vs canti), but that's just
a guess.

I would be interested to hear the comparison between the Riv Road / LongLow
and the Ram.  I understand that the Riv Road / LongLow have slightly
heavier OS tubing than most 753 bikes (which were primarily racers, it
seems).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Patrick Moore]

Is the Legolas not built of lighter tubing than the Roadeo or Ram?

I liked my blue Ram, but found it rather overbuilt and sedate in handling
for a gofast -- it made a very good commuting and errand bike, but I
already had a Riv custom for that, so I sold it.

But for a sort of "road all rounder," it is a very good design.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:


> Unless I am wrong, the Ram and the Roadeo are probably the lightest and
> fastest bikes Riv ever made, so if you like that kind of thing, don't let
> it go.
>
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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Christopher Murray]

Hello,

While living in Tucson (high theft) I used a small travel/ luggage cable lock. 
The cable was about 1/8 inch and went out the bag with the strap, through the 
seat rails, and back in the bag on the other side. The lock was in the bag 
itself. Did it help? Who really knows but I never lost a bag and felt much more 
comfortable leaving the bike. The lock was like $5. 

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Ted + Mrs. Ted, good to go!! 

Last names?

Reminder that the cabins are not private, just wanted to emphasize that for 
anyone thinking romantic getaway sort of thing :-)


On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:57:48 PM UTC-8, ted wrote:
>
> Sounds great. Please count my wife and I in.
> Regards
> Ted

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Reid, the Inn would be a WONDERFUL place to heal up and recuperate! It is a 
two mile hike/ride to get there, but have your Dr. give you a placard, and 
you can get ADA access!!!

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 12:04:11 PM UTC-8, Reid wrote:
>
> Oh man, I would just love to do this. For any of you thinking "maybe," 
> just sign up, send in your check, and do it. The setting is awesome. 
> Unfortunately for me, I just managed a really dumb move while riding my AHH 
> and the doc says I won't be riding before the end of June. Of course, by 
> then I will be all flab from no riding. Arhh! If I manage to heal 
> up really quickly, I'll just hope that a slot is still open. Sigh ... And 
> for those of you who are wondering ... no need to worry, the AHH came 
> through without a scratch.  :-)
>
> Reid
>
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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

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On the list!

This is shaping up nicely!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:09:41 PM UTC-8, Braxton Colagross wrote:
>
> Please include me as well. Thanks for organizing! 
>

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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

[Andrew Patteson]

Thanks for the information!  That is a very interesting option.

Andrew in SLC



On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:44:49 PM UTC-7, S. Greco wrote:
>
> Sorry I misspoke, or mistyped rather, the cassette is technically an 8 
> speed cassette of which I am currently running 6 speeds.
> It is a Shimano XT M737. These come in different flavors apparently and if 
> you get one with the raised volcano on the back side it will need to be 
> machined down to just above the rivet, or just less than 1cm removed from 
> the raised area I have circled in red. This is very easy to do on a lathe 
> or mill and really shouldn't be done with any other tools that could leave 
> that side not parallel to the face of the cassette body. The older ones 
> which are flat on the backside should fit fine.
>
>
> 
>
>
> - S. Greco
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:23:54 PM UTC-5, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>>
>> What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
>> shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
>> cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?
>>
>> Thanks for sharing it.
>> Andrew in SLC
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Fenders

[dougP]

I have a pair of P55 on my 700c Atlantis.  I got these in anticipation of 
El Nino which so far has yet to make an appearance here in SoCal.  They may 
have gotten damp a time or two but are otherwise "new on bike".  My 
intention has been to remove them prior to Strada Rossa on March 19.  BTW, 
these clear a 45 mm Marathon Plus but not by much.  Plenty of room around a 
40 mm Marathon Supreme.  Let me know if that's of interest & I'll figure a 
price & shipping cost.

dougP

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:13:30 AM UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>
> for 700c wheels
>
> P50 maybe?
>

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[dougP]

Patrick:

Racoons can operate zippers & some types of QR buckles.  Clever little 
characters.  

dougP

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:49:03 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> My bags are all only secured by leather straps and have yet to be removed 
> by any unauthorized humans, bears, fox, badgers, eagles, hawks, weasels, or 
> any other predator. I'm not exactly in an urban environment, however.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:11:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
>> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[iamkeith]

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:52:37 PM UTC-7, George Schick wrote:

  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date of your Ram.  Reason I say that 
is because I notice that the drive side dropout has a slender, "split" 
design as opposed to the usual solid ones.  Mine has the same thing.  If 
you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the serial number of the frame to 
see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other orange Rams shown on this blog do 
not have that same dropout.
>
>
> Thanks, George
>

My blue one has that same split dropout.  I think it is a 2006 and, if I 
recall correctly, that jives with the chronology of the serial number 
archive on the Cyclofiend site.

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Ryan Fleming]

BTW...I agree with the others who've said that the ram is not the bike to 
let go of...if selling the other bikes help you to downsize. Hopefully, if 
you're commuting though, you have a very safe place to lock this baby 
up...having it stolen would be heartbreaking

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
> performance of the Ultegra group.
> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Ryan Fleming]

Yeah...it does look like an old Ideale 90, doesn't it? Those were/are fine 
saddles..I have it on my PX-10 and it is still going strong...embossing on 
the side is pretty much worn smooth though.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:52:37 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>
> Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
> should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
> if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
> that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
> sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
> of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
> dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
>  Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the 
> serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
> orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.
>
> Thanks, George
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>>
>> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
>> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
>> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
>> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
>> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
>> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
>> performance of the Ultegra group.
>> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
>> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
>> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
>> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>>
>>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 03/03/2016 03:59 PM, Lungimsam wrote:


Unless I am wrong, the Ram and the Roadeo are probably the lightest 
and fastest bikes Riv ever made, so if you like that kind of thing, 
don't let it go.




I'm pretty sure the early Riv Roads and LongLows were as light and as 
fast as the Rambouillet, and of course the custom Rivs could be anything 
you wanted.  But I agree, the Rambouillet and Roadeo represent a style 
of bike the company seems to have moved away from in recent years.



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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[David Banzer]

I think the Ram/Roadeo comparison is key here. If you regret selling your 
Ram, the Roadeo would be the current Riv equivalent, which is currently 
$2200 for a frameset. I've not been riding my Redwood (geometrically the 
same as a later run Ram) as much as I'd like, but winter riding is limited 
for recreational rides for me. I'll likely never get rid of it, no matter 
what. FWIW, pricing-wise, I bought my Redwood not too long ago for $1000 
shipped and it had some pretty nice components on it that I parted out. I 
considered it a steal, but a 65cm frame has a limited audience I suppose, 
so probably a reasonable price for the seller as well.
Also, some have converted Ram's to 650b successfully. I did this with my 
Redwood for a bit, but have since recently returned it to its original 700c 
wheel size - fits Barlow Pass tires nicely. It'll certainly be a fun ride 
come warmer temps.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:59:14 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> If I had to downsize, I'd keep the nicest bike I had and just ride it 
> anywhere and use it and enjoy it.
>
> The other thing is, once you sell a Rambouillet, you ain't gettin' it or 
> any other 'booyay back too easily. NIB Rambouillet is even tougher to find. 
> A couple years ago I saw a green one NIB on ebay.
>
> So make sure you rey want to sell it before doing so, as they 
> aren't in production anymore.
>
> Unless I am wrong, the Ram and the Roadeo are probably the lightest and 
> fastest bikes Riv ever made, so if you like that kind of thing, don't let 
> it go.
>
> Another thing. After having ridden only my Sam for a long time, one day I 
> was looking over my old Bleriot and it was like a new bike. I was excited 
> about getting on it again. So you can always come back to the Rambouillet 
> and enjoy it.
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Braxton Colagross]

Please include me as well. Thanks for organizing! 

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[RBW] Re: RBW Listers Take Over The West Point Inn, June 24 & 25 - Join us there!!!

[Braxton Colagross]

Please include me as well. Thanks for organizing! 

On Tuesday, March 1, 2016 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The Entmoot/Jamboree two years ago was a fantastic, grass-roots event that 
> everyone enjoyed and talked about for a while. It seemed like everything 
> really fell into place (except I had to leave early) for a fantastic 
> weekend. That enjoyable event got us thinking about something similar. We 
> talked about it, but nothing came of it. 
>
> Fast forward to last December when Hugh, Jim, and myself made a trip to 
> the West Point Inn , and had a phenomenal 
> time there celebrating Jacquie Phelan's (and Philip W's!) birthday. An 
> absolute blast.  We can't recreate those moments, but we want to have 
> another opportunity back at the Inn with any like minded folks to celebrate 
> life, life on a bicycle, the historical context, in one of the most 
> beautiful storied areas I can imagine. So with Jacquie's help we are 
> hosting a SoCal/NorCal get together in June!
>
> We have reserved the entire facility for those two nights, and want to 
> pack in as many people as we can. We hope many of you living in the Bay 
> Area that we don't get to visit can make it! Maybe even some people from 
> out of the area can make it there as well (Looking at you, PDXers)!
>
> The costs are very reasonable. For the two nights, it is $2,400. If we can 
> get 30 of us, it will be $80 a person. Throw in another $20-50 for Saturday 
> night dinner and breakfast, and you're looking at a bit less than $150 at 
> most for a unique two night experience in a very special (magical even!) 
> place. I/we hope many of you can come.
>
> For those not able to do the whole stay, we are planning on a Saturday 
> ramble of a ride, followed by the above-mentioned dinner.  Thinking the 
> Pine Mountain Loop, Repack to Fairfax to the Marin Museum of Bicycling back 
> to the Inn. Plenty of alternative routes if someone doesn't want to do 
> that. Just kind of a cool way to really take advantage of what the area has 
> to offer.  So for sure, plan on being there for the ride and dinner! 
> We'll figure out a cost per person for just the dinner, it won't be much. 
> Won't even worry about it if it's just a few people, but hoping to get a 
> decent sized group there.
>
> Dinner Friday night is potluck. Sat a.m. breakfast leftovers and communal 
> pancakes or similar. Sat lunch on your own. Sat dinner provided. Sun 
> breakfast leftovers/communal. Pretty low key. We're hoping to have some 
> beer provided, but everyone bring a six pack or bottle of your favorite is 
> a way to do it as well.
>
> Sleeping arrangements are somewhere in the range of hostel level. Four to 
> five beds per room. Bring sheets or a bag, clean your own room, do the 
> dishes, sweep the floors arrangement. Not plush, but it ain't camping. 
>
> Here are my pics from the weekend I was up there: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157661872299170
>
> Hugh's thoughts on the subject: 
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/2016/01/13/misty-mountain-celebration-with-a-legend-a-mount-tam-experience/
>  
>
> Logistics to follow. Leaning toward collecting using checks vs. using 
> Paypal. I can just sit on them and cash them all at once. For food 
> budgeting I'd rather go over a bit on individual cost and donate any excess 
> to the Inn (nonprofit) or to Charlie's medical expenses. Will be very 
> transparent, but money is touchy of course. If we can't get to 30 people, 
> the cost per person will go up accordingly. 
>
> Reminder that the Inn is a hike/bike facility only, and there is no 
> on-site parking for guests (ADA access is available). Closest parking is at 
> the Pantoll campground/day use area, two miles down the trail 
> . I think parking is $8/day there.
>
> The only thing we ask is commitment. Nobody is prepared to go back and 
> forth with figuring out refunds, wait lists, things like that. This is a 
> labour of love sort of thing. 
>
> So who's inn???
>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers,
> David
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Lungimsam]

If I had to downsize, I'd keep the nicest bike I had and just ride it 
anywhere and use it and enjoy it.

The other thing is, once you sell a Rambouillet, you ain't gettin' it or 
any other 'booyay back too easily. NIB Rambouillet is even tougher to find. 
A couple years ago I saw a green one NIB on ebay.

So make sure you rey want to sell it before doing so, as they 
aren't in production anymore.

Unless I am wrong, the Ram and the Roadeo are probably the lightest and 
fastest bikes Riv ever made, so if you like that kind of thing, don't let 
it go.

Another thing. After having ridden only my Sam for a long time, one day I 
was looking over my old Bleriot and it was like a new bike. I was excited 
about getting on it again. So you can always come back to the Rambouillet 
and enjoy it.

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[drew]

i leave a carradice barley on one bike and a saddlesack medium on the 
other. both are zip-tied and both have a small cable that runs through some 
leather part of the bag, rack, and saddle rail. not theft proof by any 
means, but so far it has been enough to deter thievery of the bag itself. i 
have had weird random stuff taken from the bag that i didnt notice 
immediately- patch kit, mini pump, wrench...oddly on 3 separate occasions. 
i mean, why take a patch kit and not a pump, then a pump but not a patch 
kit..

anyway...i live in los angeles, have had 2 bikes stolen (though at the 
time, i wasnt locking up in the best way and left them overnight), and am 
now pretty conservative about location of locking and duration of time 
locked up. 

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[George Schick]

Mark - several comments:  first, I agree with some responders that you 
should keep that orange Ram and sell off the others.  It's a special bike, 
if for no other reason than the luminescent orange color.  Secondly, is 
that an Ideale 90 saddle on your original build?  I used to own one and it 
sure looks like the same thing.  Finally, I'm curious about the manf. date 
of your Ram.  Reason I say that is because I notice that the drive side 
dropout has a slender, "split" design as opposed to the usual solid ones. 
 Mine has the same thing.  If you don't mind sharing, I'm curious about the 
serial number of the frame to see if it's close to mine.  Lots of other 
orange Rams shown on this blog do not have that same dropout.

Thanks, George

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:42:44 AM UTC-6, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
> performance of the Ultegra group.
> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Bill Lindsay]

Since you are going to zip-tie it or similar, you should also ask how many 
people have had a basket stolen.  

Everyone has heard of a saddle/seatpost being stolen, and a thief with a 
multi-tool could unbolt a $200 Nitto rack in about a minute, so there is 
definitely a degree of risk no matter what when you leave valuable things 
unattended.  It's a matter of how much you trust your particular 
environment and then deciding whether or not to take on that risk.  

I'm personally on the very trusting side of the spectrum and have not been 
burned yet.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:11:13 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>
> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>
> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
> out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
> had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
> seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>
> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
> thoughts/experience on this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
>

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[Deacon Patrick]

My bags are all only secured by leather straps and have yet to be removed 
by any unauthorized humans, bears, fox, badgers, eagles, hawks, weasels, or 
any other predator. I'm not exactly in an urban environment, however.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 1:11:13 PM UTC-7, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>

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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Shimano, Dia Compe, Selle San Marco

[jeffrey kane]

Hi all,
This is a cross-post from i-bob
Prices below include USA shipping out of NYC
Pics available here: https://goo.gl/photos/4bVzkqpJ171NzTcR7
Contact off-list 
Thanks for looking!

1. Shimano 9 speed RD / LX-T660: the nearly all-silver touring model -- 
very lightly used $50.00

2. Shimano Dura Ace Center Pull Brake set: NOS complete except for straddle 
cable hangers. Nutted with high cool factor. Pics include Dia Compe 750 
comparison for reach (the D/C 750 is not for sale) $50.00

3. Dia Compe mini front rack: a tiny little thing $35.00 Can also be seen 
here: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/gran-compe-ene-mini-rack.html

4. Nitto 9cm Technomic Stem: used with typical marks $30.00

5. Selle San Marco "Vintage" Regal: Honey w/copper rivets and rails. 
Mounted once, used twice for under 75 miles. Basically new in box except 
for minor clamp marks in rail (see pics) $55.00

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[RBW] Re: on bike bag theft

[David Banzer]

I've used leather strips, made holes in the ends, then bolted the ends 
together after attaching a saddlebag. It lived on a bike for a year or so 
that was locked up outside during weekdays. Never had any problems, of 
course, I never left anything in it. 
With panniers that would stay semi-permanently on a rack, I'd probably use 
small p-clamps around the rack tubing and bolts the bag onto the rack. To 
take it one step further, you could use security bolts: 
http://www.bicyclebolts.com/
In that scenario, I'd use security bolts to attach the rack to bike - 
someone could just take the whole rack w/ bags!
It really depends on where you're locking up, and how long you're leaving 
the bike. If I'm popping into a shop for a few minutes, I don't bother 
taking bags off.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 2:11:13 PM UTC-6, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>
> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>
> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
> out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
> had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
> seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>
> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
> thoughts/experience on this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
>

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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

[S. Greco]

Sorry I misspoke, or mistyped rather, the cassette is technically an 8 
speed cassette of which I am currently running 6 speeds.
It is a Shimano XT M737. These come in different flavors apparently and if 
you get one with the raised volcano on the back side it will need to be 
machined down to just above the rivet, or just less than 1cm removed from 
the raised area I have circled in red. This is very easy to do on a lathe 
or mill and really shouldn't be done with any other tools that could leave 
that side not parallel to the face of the cassette body. The older ones 
which are flat on the backside should fit fine.




- S. Greco

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:23:54 PM UTC-5, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>
> What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
> shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
> cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?
>
> Thanks for sharing it.
> Andrew in SLC
>

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

Well if yours is "in the stand" it definitely will be ready.  They have to 
fire through at least a few per day, and Mark has one workstation.  Unless 
he's waiting for parts or something he's not going to set yours aside to 
work on somebody else's.  Enjoy it.  

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:28:00 PM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
>
> Mine is not ready, yet, but I do have evidence that it exists. Dave kindly 
> sent me a photo of my rack installation. Mark had to do a bit of 
> modification, apparently, to get the rack mounted on the lower mount point, 
> but I'm very happy.
>
> I'm flying to the bay area tomorrow (for work), and Dave says it "should 
> be ready" for pickup on Saturday. I expect I'll find out when I show up at 
> rivHQ :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-10, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged 
>> a couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking 
>> "when can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office 
>> today instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>>
>>> How about an unboxing video? :) 
>>>
>>> I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread. 
>>> Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh? 
>>>
>>> I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday... 
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray 
>>>  wrote: 
>>> > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it 
>>> unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild. 
>>> > 
>>> > Cheers, 
>>> > Chris 
>>> > 
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[RBW] Re: not so simple simpleone

[S. Greco]

Sorry I misspoke, or mistyped rather, the cassette is technically an 8 
speed cassette of which I am currently running 6 speeds.
It is a Shimano XT M737. These come in different flavors apparently and if 
you get one with the raised volcano on the back side it will need to be 
machined down to just above the rivet, or just less than 1cm removed from 
the area I have circled in red. This is very easy to do on a lathe and 
really shouldn't be done with any other tools that could leave that side 
not parallel to the face of the cassette body. The older ones which are 
flat on the backside should fit fine.



On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:23:54 PM UTC-5, Andrew Patteson wrote:
>
> What a cool bike.  I love the way you have changed it to suit you.  The 
> shifter on the seatstay is especially great.  May I ask, what 6 speed 
> cassette works with those narrow bmx freehubs?
>
> Thanks for sharing it.
> Andrew in SLC
>

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Re: [RBW] on bike bag theft

[Joe Broach]

​I'll say my burrito tool wrap has safely navigated the mean streets of
Missoula/PDX over the past 10 years. One time (while working at a bike
co-op)​, someone went through it and took the couple dollars cash
(emergency boots + pay phone + bus fare) but left all the tools and spares.
Probably helps that the burrito is unusual and looks pretty low-key.

Best,
joe in pdx or

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 12:11 PM, Patrick D Kelly 
wrote:

> I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently"
> attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.
>
> I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them
> attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or
> similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile
> for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.
>
> As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen
> out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief
> had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was
> seriously attached, and was not stolen.
>
> In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody
> unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make
> me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any
> thoughts/experience on this?
>
> thanks
>
> p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your
> bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about
> where/when I leave my bike locked up.
>
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick D Kelly]

Mine is not ready, yet, but I do have evidence that it exists. Dave kindly 
sent me a photo of my rack installation. Mark had to do a bit of 
modification, apparently, to get the rack mounted on the lower mount point, 
but I'm very happy.

I'm flying to the bay area tomorrow (for work), and Dave says it "should be 
ready" for pickup on Saturday. I expect I'll find out when I show up at 
rivHQ :)





On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 10:03:22 AM UTC-10, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged a 
> couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking "when 
> can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office today 
> instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>>
>> How about an unboxing video? :) 
>>
>> I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread. 
>> Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh? 
>>
>> I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday... 
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray 
>>  wrote: 
>> > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it 
>> unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild. 
>> > 
>> > Cheers, 
>> > Chris 
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[RBW] on bike bag theft

[Patrick D Kelly]

I'm fishing for stories pro/con dealing with leaving bags "permanently" 
attached to your bike, and if they've been stolen.

I'm contemplating getting a pair of backabike bags and leaving them 
attached (probably with zipties somehow). Anybody ever had any of these (or 
similar) bags stolen off their bike? I'm imagining it's not even worthwhile 
for a thief since they're not gonna get but a few bucks for such a thing.

As a counter-example to what I just said, one time some gloves were stolen 
out of a bag on a bike. In this case, I'm sure it was just cuz the thief 
had to do zero work. Unzip and just grab what was in the bag. That bag was 
seriously attached, and was not stolen.

In my imagination, riv's saddlesacks are "safer" because to somebody 
unfamiliar, it's very confusing. The straps and the 2 layers of flap make 
me think that thieves are not going to go poking around in there. Any 
thoughts/experience on this?

thanks

p.s. Yes, the biggest variable in all this is where/when you leave your 
bike unattended. Let's just pretend that I'm very conservative about 
where/when I leave my bike locked up.

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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Bill Lindsay]

I have not received my "pick yours up" message either.  I have exchanged a 
couple emails with Riv, on other topics, and managed to resist asking "when 
can I come get my 'loosa?"  Though I admit I did drive to the office today 
instead of bike+BART just in case they tell me to pick it up tonight

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 11:51:37 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:
>
> How about an unboxing video? :) 
>
> I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread. 
> Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh? 
>
> I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday... 
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray 
>  wrote: 
> > FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it 
> unboxed. Can't wait to see them in the wild. 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > Chris 
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Re: [RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Patrick Kelly]

How about an unboxing video? :)

I've been holding off starting a "anybody got a joe yet?" thread.
Maybe there will be several deliveries today, eh?

I'm planning/hoping to pick mine up Saturday...

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Christopher Murray
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> Can't wait to see them in the wild.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
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[RBW] WTB: Cheap Brooks

[Belopsky]

B17 or similar. Don't care about color. Thanks!


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[RBW] JoAppa has arrived!

[Christopher Murray]

FedEx dropped off a big box this morning. Very excited to get it unboxed. Can't 
wait to see them in the wild.

Cheers,
Chris

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[RBW] Re: New Riv custom mixte - what I'm thinking for colour and build

[Ryan Fleming]

Tim...the anticipation and picking the parts is the totally fun part, I 
agree...it's like Christmas. That black currant pearl is really nice, 
too...probably gorgeous in the flesh. Very nice bike; there sure are a 
whack of very fine framebuilders

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 4:41:05 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> Pictures of the color from Mitch's Flickr page below. I love it. I think 
> it's called Black Currant Pearl. I'll put a link for the PPG paint tool 
> also. It's really neat. It's based on auto colors, so if you knew the make 
> and year of a car color you like you can pull it right out. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/mapcycles/24811442309/
>
>
>
> http://www.ppgpaintit.com/Collision.aspx?Brand=PPGNA=PPGNACollision.aspx?Brand=PPGNA=PPGNA
>
> I have a 52/42/30 triple on the Hilsen and here in Louisville (flat, flat, 
> flat!) I use my 42 ring most of the time with my 12/28 cassette. It really 
> makes Bill's suggestion of a 1x9 intriguing. I opted for a 48/32 compact 
> Rene Herse on the new bike, and I'll use a 12/32 cassette. I don't think 
> your gearing is wimpy at all. I probably could have easily gone with a 
> 46/30 or 44/28, but I'm taking baby steps because I always thought I was a 
> big, strong masher. I no longer mash, especially with fake knees. No matter 
> what you choose, isn't it a blast picking it all out and worrying over the 
> details? 
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[Steven Sweedler]

Patrick, I wrote to Riv during the pre-buy and they encouraged me not to go
in that direction so I didn't buy one. Was curious if anyone else tried it.
I had a bike with North Road bars and never felt that secure when descents
neared 30 mph.  Haven't tried any of the other upright bars, just too
comfortable on 48 noodles with bar end shifters. Steve

On Thursday, March 3, 2016, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Zed -- very well put. You are very right that bar height and stem length
> (and st angle) can make a huge difference; something I forgot when I posted
> earlier.
>
> I recall the 56 cm Sam Hill I owned: it had a 59 cm tt, while I prefer 56
> or 57. But the sta was 71, not my usual 73, so this took care of about half
> of the "excess tt length," and raising the bar about 6 cm above my normal
> road postion (road bikes about 3 cm below saddle; Sam about 3 cm above)
> brought the bar back further, and the position was quite comfortable,
> though different from that on my road bikes.
>
> However, when I found a Fargo, with road-bike-length tt, I found I
> preferred the position on that, even if it didn't have the typical
> Rivendell feel overall.
>
> So, Steve Sweedler, your question makes more sense than it appeared to me
> at first, and I'll be interested in learning, if you do install a drop bar,
> how it feels.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Zed Martinez  > wrote:
>
>> I have some thoughts on this, after a winter of various ugly wind
>> conditions and trying to find the position I like best on my Clem. One is,
>> the stack and reach if you measure them out on the Clems is not nearly as
>> extreme as the bikes look. Part of that whole 'expanded frame' notion. For
>> the 52 H I get real stack and reach of about 580 and 407. If you use the
>> provided headset, the effective stack and reach are closer to 620 and 394.
>> All of which are pretty intense for road bikes, but aren't actually
>> disfavorable against adventure bikes like the Soma Wolverine and VO Piolet.
>> With one catch. The 52cm Clem measures out like a non-Clem frame a couple
>> sizes larger. Those numbers line up about the same as a L Piolet or a 58cm
>> Wolverine. (Just for comparison, on paper the stack and reach compare
>> pretty true to size against the Surly Pugsley and Ogre, both of which are
>> clearly more mountainish upright bar bikes, just to show what the Clem aims
>> to be by the numbers.)
>>
>> OK, so, that's the on-paper stuff. You don't have to look at that long on
>> the actual Clem frame to feel that maybe stack and reach aren't quite
>> telling the whole story this time though:
>>
>> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-stack-reach.png
>>
>> That's a lot of the relevant part of the bike sitting behind the bottom
>> bracket, no matter how you slice it. It certainly lends a lot of weight to
>> the 'designed for upright bars argument.' I think there might still be a
>> few cases where you can cheat that, but I think cheat is probably the right
>> word. For most riders, the offset from the BB the seat tube angle provides,
>> available saddle rail adjustment range, and low choice of seat posts with
>> smaller set-backs will probably be enough to leave the Clem best suited for
>> upright bars. But, for the super curious, my thoughts on trying it anyway
>> (since I've been thinking about it myself ever since the first guy
>> suggested why not drops when these were first announced).
>>
>> I think the key is how if you want to fit it as a drop bar bike then it's
>> effectively several sizes larger than how it's meant to be fit. I'm a PBH
>> of 81 or so, which puts me kind of on the low end fit-wise of my 52cm H
>> Clem. I traced out the fit on it against my old 54cm Fuji road bike that
>> held a lot of the parts now on my Clem for me last year. For the same
>> saddle height (around 70-71 depending on how I eyeball it that day), they
>> aren't atrociously different in the end, other than the Clem clearly having
>> the bars much, much higher.
>>
>> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-vs-fuji.jpg
>>
>> However, that was using a 100mm Technomic Deluxe on the Fuji, but an 80mm
>> Dirt Drop sunk literally as low as the Clem allows on the Clem. I had to
>> put a longer stem on the Fuji to make the albstaches work for me. When I
>> used drops on it, it was most comfortable with the 80mm Nitto standard
>> quill it came with. So, if I was to try the same thing as a starting point
>> for fitting drops on my own Clem, I'd have to find something with 20mm less
>> reach than that Dirt Drop stem, and that's going to be tough-to-impossible.
>> If I just put drops on my Dirt Drop I could probably still use them, but
>> I'd be in what Thorn calls a "sporty" position, and, that seems to defeat
>> the point of going to a modern Rivendell for me.
>>
>> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/bike-position.png
>>
>> But, I think if I was on the larger end of a 

Re: [RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[Patrick Moore]

Zed -- very well put. You are very right that bar height and stem length
(and st angle) can make a huge difference; something I forgot when I posted
earlier.

I recall the 56 cm Sam Hill I owned: it had a 59 cm tt, while I prefer 56
or 57. But the sta was 71, not my usual 73, so this took care of about half
of the "excess tt length," and raising the bar about 6 cm above my normal
road postion (road bikes about 3 cm below saddle; Sam about 3 cm above)
brought the bar back further, and the position was quite comfortable,
though different from that on my road bikes.

However, when I found a Fargo, with road-bike-length tt, I found I
preferred the position on that, even if it didn't have the typical
Rivendell feel overall.

So, Steve Sweedler, your question makes more sense than it appeared to me
at first, and I'll be interested in learning, if you do install a drop bar,
how it feels.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Zed Martinez 
wrote:

> I have some thoughts on this, after a winter of various ugly wind
> conditions and trying to find the position I like best on my Clem. One is,
> the stack and reach if you measure them out on the Clems is not nearly as
> extreme as the bikes look. Part of that whole 'expanded frame' notion. For
> the 52 H I get real stack and reach of about 580 and 407. If you use the
> provided headset, the effective stack and reach are closer to 620 and 394.
> All of which are pretty intense for road bikes, but aren't actually
> disfavorable against adventure bikes like the Soma Wolverine and VO Piolet.
> With one catch. The 52cm Clem measures out like a non-Clem frame a couple
> sizes larger. Those numbers line up about the same as a L Piolet or a 58cm
> Wolverine. (Just for comparison, on paper the stack and reach compare
> pretty true to size against the Surly Pugsley and Ogre, both of which are
> clearly more mountainish upright bar bikes, just to show what the Clem aims
> to be by the numbers.)
>
> OK, so, that's the on-paper stuff. You don't have to look at that long on
> the actual Clem frame to feel that maybe stack and reach aren't quite
> telling the whole story this time though:
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-stack-reach.png
>
> That's a lot of the relevant part of the bike sitting behind the bottom
> bracket, no matter how you slice it. It certainly lends a lot of weight to
> the 'designed for upright bars argument.' I think there might still be a
> few cases where you can cheat that, but I think cheat is probably the right
> word. For most riders, the offset from the BB the seat tube angle provides,
> available saddle rail adjustment range, and low choice of seat posts with
> smaller set-backs will probably be enough to leave the Clem best suited for
> upright bars. But, for the super curious, my thoughts on trying it anyway
> (since I've been thinking about it myself ever since the first guy
> suggested why not drops when these were first announced).
>
> I think the key is how if you want to fit it as a drop bar bike then it's
> effectively several sizes larger than how it's meant to be fit. I'm a PBH
> of 81 or so, which puts me kind of on the low end fit-wise of my 52cm H
> Clem. I traced out the fit on it against my old 54cm Fuji road bike that
> held a lot of the parts now on my Clem for me last year. For the same
> saddle height (around 70-71 depending on how I eyeball it that day), they
> aren't atrociously different in the end, other than the Clem clearly having
> the bars much, much higher.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-vs-fuji.jpg
>
> However, that was using a 100mm Technomic Deluxe on the Fuji, but an 80mm
> Dirt Drop sunk literally as low as the Clem allows on the Clem. I had to
> put a longer stem on the Fuji to make the albstaches work for me. When I
> used drops on it, it was most comfortable with the 80mm Nitto standard
> quill it came with. So, if I was to try the same thing as a starting point
> for fitting drops on my own Clem, I'd have to find something with 20mm less
> reach than that Dirt Drop stem, and that's going to be tough-to-impossible.
> If I just put drops on my Dirt Drop I could probably still use them, but
> I'd be in what Thorn calls a "sporty" position, and, that seems to defeat
> the point of going to a modern Rivendell for me.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/bike-position.png
>
> But, I think if I was on the larger end of a given Clem's fit range,
> instead of the smaller end, it might just be possible to use drops and have
> it be in a normal position range. It'd still run long, like an adventure
> bike or an old drop-bar mountain bike. But, isn't that effectively what
> this is? It wouldn't ever fit like a Sam or a Roadeo or any other more
> normal 'road' bike with drops, but I think with a short stem and the saddle
> way up fitting it more like a compact frame and less like an expanded one,
> there may be some people who could put a drop on and not be unhappy. I'm
> not saying I'll ever 

[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[masmojo]

Honestly,  I think you could put drops on a Clem. It would mearly be a matter 
of finding a short technomic or similar stem, I'd suggest a 60mm reach.
That said my overwhelming reaction is why? I would just get a Sam or a Joe! 
Yeah, it's a bit more money, but . . . 

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[bo richardson]

wait, this is a zero-sum game
this mean lynne in olympia doesnt get it
the trek is a fine bicycle. way underestimated

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

[Hugh Smitham]

Beautiful.

~Hugh

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a friend(who isn't on the RBW Group) that I'm helping try and sell 
> a beautiful 58cm Saluki for.  Standard Riv Build for a Saluki at the time. 
>  I don't have full build specs, but i can get them if anyone is interested. 
>  Bike has been ridden less than 200 miles and could easily pass as new. 
>  He's asking $2700 for the complete bike.  Bike is a custom color.  Anywho, 
> if anyone is interested please let me know and I will get you in contact 
> with the buyer.  Bike is located in Rapid City, SD and my friend is willing 
> to ship it.  DM me with any questions or interest.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
>

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

[Bill]

I'm on my second custom color Saluki.  I traded a Corvette green 60 for a light 
purple in the same size. That light green is awesome. It's great when new 
buyers (or later owners) break from the herd and add to the spectrum. FWIW, I 
think his price is in the ballpark, particularly for someone pining for a 650b 
Homerish bike.

"Two Saluki" Bill in Columbus Ohio

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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

I doubt the bike would get worn out from year round use. Paint chipped, 
bearings pitted, bolts rusted. But all those can be serviced or replaced. 
Ride the bike you love!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:42:44 AM UTC-8, Mark Williams wrote:
>
> It sure is nice to hear from Riv experts, thank you all!  I've always 
> owned more than three bikes but never less than two (plus the tandem) with 
> the old Trek set up for commuting (fenders and lights) and the Ram for fair 
> weather fun rides.  I was thinking to keep the Trek due to its year round 
> utility but all of your passion about the Ram has me thinking to fender it 
> up and start wearing it out.  I really love its handling and the 
> performance of the Ultegra group.
> Here's a pic of the bike in its original build with Campy hubs and 
> derailleurs, half step plus granny gearing on the Stronglight 99, and 
> Barcons.  Even though it was August in Glacier National Park, the 
> plummeting descent through the clouds over wet pavement was terrifying!
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 9:33:49 PM UTC-8, Evan E. wrote:
>>
>> All Rambouillets are beautiful, but the orange is transcendent. Hard to 
>> put a price on transcendent, though. Maybe an extra $100?
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Used Rambouillet Value?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, you should keep it. There's a *reason* these don't come up for resale very 
often!

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[RBW] Re: BLUG Roadeo size?

[RJM]

Shimano 11 speed does shift like a dreamand I love and use friction 
shifting too, but thems the facts. 

That Roadeo is awesome looking; it's a very striking color and perfect for 
a fast bike like the Roadeo. After I sell my Roadeo I might have to get the 
Legolas in that color.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 12:33:17 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> They both look 55ish to me, although Mark's original does seem to have a 
> slightly shorter headtube. I'm guessing that spec evolved a smidge over the 
> years. Mercy, that red Roadeo looks fabulous!
>
> PS. I love the influence of the young folks showing through on the BLUG. 
> Grant would never say 10/11-speed brifters "shift like a dream" ;)
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

[cyclotour...@gmail.com]

Cool color!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:25:23 AM UTC-8, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I have a friend(who isn't on the RBW Group) that I'm helping try and sell 
> a beautiful 58cm Saluki for.  Standard Riv Build for a Saluki at the time. 
>  I don't have full build specs, but i can get them if anyone is interested. 
>  Bike has been ridden less than 200 miles and could easily pass as new. 
>  He's asking $2700 for the complete bike.  Bike is a custom color.  Anywho, 
> if anyone is interested please let me know and I will get you in contact 
> with the buyer.  Bike is located in Rapid City, SD and my friend is willing 
> to ship it.  DM me with any questions or interest.  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: AW 114 mm OL hub on QB or SO?

[JohnS]

Hello Patrick,

I'm pretty sure my 2 speed Bendix hub is 114 as well. I moved one of 
the wide washers from out board of the drop out to be in board. This nudged 
it up to about 118, which I though was close enough to 120. I used a chain 
tug since my hub is fixed. Adding in the thickness of the QB drop out left 
insufficient space for the axel nuts that came with the hub. So I ground 
down the nuts on the bench grinder since they were pretty wide. I may have 
taken off maybe 1/5 the width of the nuts. Works fine. The chain tug does 
the work of keeping the wheel in place.

Hopes this helps,
JohnS


On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 7:09:52 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Has anyone done this? Any problems?
>
> Note: the older SA hubs, at least, were not 120 OL but 114. My AM is 114, 
> and I wonder if there will be enough axle extending beyond the dropouts to 
> accept the nuts. I will of course install spacers behind the locknuts.
>
> I think it's the AM -- medium ratio 3 speed, not the 4 speed.
>
> A bike with AM would be nice! Say, 51-60-71 gi.
>
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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[Joe Bernard]

I got pedals on the way. Thanks everybody!

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 8:34:05 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Sounds good CCanter, I'll try the private message thingy.

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[RBW] FS: 58cm Saluki Custom Color

[Justin Schoop]

Why can't this be a 62?!?!?! I'd jump on it.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Sounds good CCanter, I'll try the private message thingy.

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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[clyde canter]

or make offer


On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 11:20 AM, clyde canter 
wrote:

> If you mean Sylvan touring, I have a few sets in varying conditions, from
> scuffed to pristine/nearly new.  I'll mail you a pristine set for 30,
> beausaged for 20.
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Riv doesn't seem to be selling these anymore. A little street rash on the
>> end caps is fine as long as they haven't been bent from pedal strike.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Joe Bernard
>> Vallejo, CA.
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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[clyde canter]

If you mean Sylvan touring, I have a few sets in varying conditions, from
scuffed to pristine/nearly new.  I'll mail you a pristine set for 30,
beausaged for 20.

On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Riv doesn't seem to be selling these anymore. A little street rash on the
> end caps is fine as long as they haven't been bent from pedal strike.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, them's the ones. They don't show up on the current Pedals page, and show 
"out of stock" when I clicked Buy on your link.

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT: Tubus Vega Evo rack in Silver

[Leif Eckstrom]

Bump with price drop: Silver Tubus Vega Evo rack, $95 plus shipping through 
bike flights.
This rack seems ideal for the appaloosas about to be released. 

Thank you! 
Leif in Chicago, IL

Details and photos repeated below:


I have a new silver Tubus rack that I bought for a vintage, Riv-inspired 
> commuter, not realizing that Tubus carriers are designed for modern dropout 
> spacings of 130 OLN or greater. 
>
> The minimalist Vega Evo rack offers generous clearances for 65 mm wide 
> fenders or 60 mm tires (designed to fit 26" to 700c frames) and an 
> exceptional carrying capacity (55 pounds) for a rack that weighs about 560 
> grams. Tubus provides dimensional drawings if you have questions about the 
> fit or design. See: 
> http://www.tubus.com/documents/1391438739_Vega_evo_9120149_BM.pdf
>
> The rack attaching hardware is included and comes in the white tube 
> photographed below. 
>
> The rack was scuffed slightly in shipping. I've tried to photograph that. 
> More photos available in this flickr album. 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/9015075@N02/albums/72157662110781224  
> Will take more photos if necessary.
>
> I'm looking for $95 plus actual shipping (probably about $20 CONUS), and 
> happy to try out bikeflights.com, which other listers have recommended 
> for service and price. Local pickup in Chicago would be great too. Paypal 
> friends and family please. 
>
> As for trades, I'm looking for a pair of the recently closed-out, sold-out 
> Pacenti SL23 x 32h in 650b. Unlikely, I know, but magic frequently happens 
> on this list, so I have to ask. I'm looking for black but would take silver 
> SL23 or polished PL23 in the 2014 extrusion. I'm one of many, no doubt, who 
> foolishly thought he had more time to buy a pair of these rims when Pacenti 
> was closing them out at $40/rim. 
>
> If possible, please respond off-list to leifeckstrom at gee mail dot com. 
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Leif Eckstrom
> Chicago, IL 60660
>
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[Ryan Fleming]

So evidently, you don't mean these pedals Riv sells.


http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/pe3.htm  


I seem to remember them selling an MKS touring pedal that was a little 
narrower

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 9:13:40 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Riv doesn't seem to be selling these anymore. A little street rash on the 
> end caps is fine as long as they haven't been bent from pedal strike.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[mikel66...@juno.com]

joe,

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[RBW] WTB: MKS Touring pedals

[Joe Bernard]

Riv doesn't seem to be selling these anymore. A little street rash on the end 
caps is fine as long as they haven't been bent from pedal strike.

Thanks,
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

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[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[Steven Sweedler]

Zed, thanks for the very thoughtful reply. Steve

On Thursday, March 3, 2016, Zed Martinez  wrote:

> I have some thoughts on this, after a winter of various ugly wind
> conditions and trying to find the position I like best on my Clem. One is,
> the stack and reach if you measure them out on the Clems is not nearly as
> extreme as the bikes look. Part of that whole 'expanded frame' notion. For
> the 52 H I get real stack and reach of about 580 and 407. If you use the
> provided headset, the effective stack and reach are closer to 620 and 394.
> All of which are pretty intense for road bikes, but aren't actually
> disfavorable against adventure bikes like the Soma Wolverine and VO Piolet.
> With one catch. The 52cm Clem measures out like a non-Clem frame a couple
> sizes larger. Those numbers line up about the same as a L Piolet or a 58cm
> Wolverine. (Just for comparison, on paper the stack and reach compare
> pretty true to size against the Surly Pugsley and Ogre, both of which are
> clearly more mountainish upright bar bikes, just to show what the Clem aims
> to be by the numbers.)
>
> OK, so, that's the on-paper stuff. You don't have to look at that long on
> the actual Clem frame to feel that maybe stack and reach aren't quite
> telling the whole story this time though:
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-stack-reach.png
>
> That's a lot of the relevant part of the bike sitting behind the bottom
> bracket, no matter how you slice it. It certainly lends a lot of weight to
> the 'designed for upright bars argument.' I think there might still be a
> few cases where you can cheat that, but I think cheat is probably the right
> word. For most riders, the offset from the BB the seat tube angle provides,
> available saddle rail adjustment range, and low choice of seat posts with
> smaller set-backs will probably be enough to leave the Clem best suited for
> upright bars. But, for the super curious, my thoughts on trying it anyway
> (since I've been thinking about it myself ever since the first guy
> suggested why not drops when these were first announced).
>
> I think the key is how if you want to fit it as a drop bar bike then it's
> effectively several sizes larger than how it's meant to be fit. I'm a PBH
> of 81 or so, which puts me kind of on the low end fit-wise of my 52cm H
> Clem. I traced out the fit on it against my old 54cm Fuji road bike that
> held a lot of the parts now on my Clem for me last year. For the same
> saddle height (around 70-71 depending on how I eyeball it that day), they
> aren't atrociously different in the end, other than the Clem clearly having
> the bars much, much higher.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-vs-fuji.jpg
>
> However, that was using a 100mm Technomic Deluxe on the Fuji, but an 80mm
> Dirt Drop sunk literally as low as the Clem allows on the Clem. I had to
> put a longer stem on the Fuji to make the albstaches work for me. When I
> used drops on it, it was most comfortable with the 80mm Nitto standard
> quill it came with. So, if I was to try the same thing as a starting point
> for fitting drops on my own Clem, I'd have to find something with 20mm less
> reach than that Dirt Drop stem, and that's going to be tough-to-impossible.
> If I just put drops on my Dirt Drop I could probably still use them, but
> I'd be in what Thorn calls a "sporty" position, and, that seems to defeat
> the point of going to a modern Rivendell for me.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/bike-position.png
>
> But, I think if I was on the larger end of a given Clem's fit range,
> instead of the smaller end, it might just be possible to use drops and have
> it be in a normal position range. It'd still run long, like an adventure
> bike or an old drop-bar mountain bike. But, isn't that effectively what
> this is? It wouldn't ever fit like a Sam or a Roadeo or any other more
> normal 'road' bike with drops, but I think with a short stem and the saddle
> way up fitting it more like a compact frame and less like an expanded one,
> there may be some people who could put a drop on and not be unhappy. I'm
> not saying I'll ever try (my albastache might still be too aggressive on it
> for me, we'll see once the weather stops beating me up so much and I can
> tell what's the bike and what's just riding 40 minutes in a 30mph
> headwind), but yeah. If you're well aware of what you like and how far you
> can reach, and you size on the larger end of a Clem to fit it more like a
> bike several sizes larger... maybe? I think it's the limitation of just the
> 3 sizes more than the long top tube keeping it from being easier to play
> with the idea of drops. If it came in 5-7 sizes it'd be a little easier to
> misuse the sizing intentions and cheat that, but with only the handful it
> seems like only a selection of people will be able to play around like
> that. Anyone in the middle of the size range would have a harder time
> dropping to the next size down and not just 

[RBW] Re: WTB: Fenders

[Belopsky]

for 700c wheels

P50 maybe?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Industries panniers/ Bosco Bullmoose

[Jeffrey Marco]

Feel free to shoot me an offer. I'd like to get this stuff moving.  Bosco's 
are fillet brazed!

On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 2:18:08 PM UTC-5, Jeffrey Marco wrote:
>
> Sorry about that, Bosco's are 58cm
>
> On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 1:48:42 PM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> What width are those Boscos?
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Fenders

[Frank Brose]

What size?

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 6:28:22 AM UTC-6, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Looking for some SKS silver fenders
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[RBW] WTB: Fenders

[Belopsky]

Looking for some SKS silver fenders

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[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[Zed Martinez]

Oh, and for the curious, my C17 on my Clem is as far forwards as it goes on 
the rails. On the Fuji it was more in the middle. So, I have a lot of room 
to go back, but no room to go forwards. And the C17 has pretty decent rail 
lengths. So, chalk that up as another point the 'swept-back bar' column, 
fit-wise.

On Thursday, March 3, 2016 at 7:04:29 AM UTC-5, Zed Martinez wrote:
>
> I have some thoughts on this, after a winter of various ugly wind 
> conditions and trying to find the position I like best on my Clem. One is, 
> the stack and reach if you measure them out on the Clems is not nearly as 
> extreme as the bikes look. Part of that whole 'expanded frame' notion. For 
> the 52 H I get real stack and reach of about 580 and 407. If you use the 
> provided headset, the effective stack and reach are closer to 620 and 394. 
> All of which are pretty intense for road bikes, but aren't actually 
> disfavorable against adventure bikes like the Soma Wolverine and VO Piolet. 
> With one catch. The 52cm Clem measures out like a non-Clem frame a couple 
> sizes larger. Those numbers line up about the same as a L Piolet or a 58cm 
> Wolverine. (Just for comparison, on paper the stack and reach compare 
> pretty true to size against the Surly Pugsley and Ogre, both of which are 
> clearly more mountainish upright bar bikes, just to show what the Clem aims 
> to be by the numbers.)
>
> OK, so, that's the on-paper stuff. You don't have to look at that long on 
> the actual Clem frame to feel that maybe stack and reach aren't quite 
> telling the whole story this time though:
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-stack-reach.png
>
> That's a lot of the relevant part of the bike sitting behind the bottom 
> bracket, no matter how you slice it. It certainly lends a lot of weight to 
> the 'designed for upright bars argument.' I think there might still be a 
> few cases where you can cheat that, but I think cheat is probably the right 
> word. For most riders, the offset from the BB the seat tube angle provides, 
> available saddle rail adjustment range, and low choice of seat posts with 
> smaller set-backs will probably be enough to leave the Clem best suited for 
> upright bars. But, for the super curious, my thoughts on trying it anyway 
> (since I've been thinking about it myself ever since the first guy 
> suggested why not drops when these were first announced).
>
> I think the key is how if you want to fit it as a drop bar bike then it's 
> effectively several sizes larger than how it's meant to be fit. I'm a PBH 
> of 81 or so, which puts me kind of on the low end fit-wise of my 52cm H 
> Clem. I traced out the fit on it against my old 54cm Fuji road bike that 
> held a lot of the parts now on my Clem for me last year. For the same 
> saddle height (around 70-71 depending on how I eyeball it that day), they 
> aren't atrociously different in the end, other than the Clem clearly having 
> the bars much, much higher.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-vs-fuji.jpg
>
> However, that was using a 100mm Technomic Deluxe on the Fuji, but an 80mm 
> Dirt Drop sunk literally as low as the Clem allows on the Clem. I had to 
> put a longer stem on the Fuji to make the albstaches work for me. When I 
> used drops on it, it was most comfortable with the 80mm Nitto standard 
> quill it came with. So, if I was to try the same thing as a starting point 
> for fitting drops on my own Clem, I'd have to find something with 20mm less 
> reach than that Dirt Drop stem, and that's going to be tough-to-impossible. 
> If I just put drops on my Dirt Drop I could probably still use them, but 
> I'd be in what Thorn calls a "sporty" position, and, that seems to defeat 
> the point of going to a modern Rivendell for me.
>
> http://zedmartinez.com/samples/bike-position.png
>
> But, I think if I was on the larger end of a given Clem's fit range, 
> instead of the smaller end, it might just be possible to use drops and have 
> it be in a normal position range. It'd still run long, like an adventure 
> bike or an old drop-bar mountain bike. But, isn't that effectively what 
> this is? It wouldn't ever fit like a Sam or a Roadeo or any other more 
> normal 'road' bike with drops, but I think with a short stem and the saddle 
> way up fitting it more like a compact frame and less like an expanded one, 
> there may be some people who could put a drop on and not be unhappy. I'm 
> not saying I'll ever try (my albastache might still be too aggressive on it 
> for me, we'll see once the weather stops beating me up so much and I can 
> tell what's the bike and what's just riding 40 minutes in a 30mph 
> headwind), but yeah. If you're well aware of what you like and how far you 
> can reach, and you size on the larger end of a Clem to fit it more like a 
> bike several sizes larger... maybe? I think it's the limitation of just the 
> 3 sizes more than the long top tube keeping it from being easier to play 
> with the idea of drops. If it 

[RBW] Re: Clem w/drop bars

[Zed Martinez]

I have some thoughts on this, after a winter of various ugly wind 
conditions and trying to find the position I like best on my Clem. One is, 
the stack and reach if you measure them out on the Clems is not nearly as 
extreme as the bikes look. Part of that whole 'expanded frame' notion. For 
the 52 H I get real stack and reach of about 580 and 407. If you use the 
provided headset, the effective stack and reach are closer to 620 and 394. 
All of which are pretty intense for road bikes, but aren't actually 
disfavorable against adventure bikes like the Soma Wolverine and VO Piolet. 
With one catch. The 52cm Clem measures out like a non-Clem frame a couple 
sizes larger. Those numbers line up about the same as a L Piolet or a 58cm 
Wolverine. (Just for comparison, on paper the stack and reach compare 
pretty true to size against the Surly Pugsley and Ogre, both of which are 
clearly more mountainish upright bar bikes, just to show what the Clem aims 
to be by the numbers.)

OK, so, that's the on-paper stuff. You don't have to look at that long on 
the actual Clem frame to feel that maybe stack and reach aren't quite 
telling the whole story this time though:

http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-stack-reach.png

That's a lot of the relevant part of the bike sitting behind the bottom 
bracket, no matter how you slice it. It certainly lends a lot of weight to 
the 'designed for upright bars argument.' I think there might still be a 
few cases where you can cheat that, but I think cheat is probably the right 
word. For most riders, the offset from the BB the seat tube angle provides, 
available saddle rail adjustment range, and low choice of seat posts with 
smaller set-backs will probably be enough to leave the Clem best suited for 
upright bars. But, for the super curious, my thoughts on trying it anyway 
(since I've been thinking about it myself ever since the first guy 
suggested why not drops when these were first announced).

I think the key is how if you want to fit it as a drop bar bike then it's 
effectively several sizes larger than how it's meant to be fit. I'm a PBH 
of 81 or so, which puts me kind of on the low end fit-wise of my 52cm H 
Clem. I traced out the fit on it against my old 54cm Fuji road bike that 
held a lot of the parts now on my Clem for me last year. For the same 
saddle height (around 70-71 depending on how I eyeball it that day), they 
aren't atrociously different in the end, other than the Clem clearly having 
the bars much, much higher.

http://zedmartinez.com/samples/clem-vs-fuji.jpg

However, that was using a 100mm Technomic Deluxe on the Fuji, but an 80mm 
Dirt Drop sunk literally as low as the Clem allows on the Clem. I had to 
put a longer stem on the Fuji to make the albstaches work for me. When I 
used drops on it, it was most comfortable with the 80mm Nitto standard 
quill it came with. So, if I was to try the same thing as a starting point 
for fitting drops on my own Clem, I'd have to find something with 20mm less 
reach than that Dirt Drop stem, and that's going to be tough-to-impossible. 
If I just put drops on my Dirt Drop I could probably still use them, but 
I'd be in what Thorn calls a "sporty" position, and, that seems to defeat 
the point of going to a modern Rivendell for me.

http://zedmartinez.com/samples/bike-position.png

But, I think if I was on the larger end of a given Clem's fit range, 
instead of the smaller end, it might just be possible to use drops and have 
it be in a normal position range. It'd still run long, like an adventure 
bike or an old drop-bar mountain bike. But, isn't that effectively what 
this is? It wouldn't ever fit like a Sam or a Roadeo or any other more 
normal 'road' bike with drops, but I think with a short stem and the saddle 
way up fitting it more like a compact frame and less like an expanded one, 
there may be some people who could put a drop on and not be unhappy. I'm 
not saying I'll ever try (my albastache might still be too aggressive on it 
for me, we'll see once the weather stops beating me up so much and I can 
tell what's the bike and what's just riding 40 minutes in a 30mph 
headwind), but yeah. If you're well aware of what you like and how far you 
can reach, and you size on the larger end of a Clem to fit it more like a 
bike several sizes larger... maybe? I think it's the limitation of just the 
3 sizes more than the long top tube keeping it from being easier to play 
with the idea of drops. If it came in 5-7 sizes it'd be a little easier to 
misuse the sizing intentions and cheat that, but with only the handful it 
seems like only a selection of people will be able to play around like 
that. Anyone in the middle of the size range would have a harder time 
dropping to the next size down and not just being cramped, I think.

For most people, upright bars at least make more sense. And for that 
Rivendell bars higher and closer fit ("very relaxed" or "relaxed" by 
Thorn's nomenclature), vs a "fairly relaxed" or