[RBW] Re: For Sale Feelers: 2001 Riv Road, Joe/Joe, 52 cm

[Mark R.]

Last I heard he was back in the midwest (MadWiz?), not sure what he is 
doing.

Poetry?

Mark Rosenberg
SDCA

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:26:15 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> (Warning: Slightly dicey question ahead) Has anyone heard from Starck 
> lately?

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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks for linking to the safety tabs.  I was unaware anything like that 
existed.  Any chance you could post a picture of them with your VO fenders?

I like fenders on any bike that might get caught out in the rain, and have 
VO fenders on several bikes.  I've sometimes pondered the negative safety 
aspects, but have kept living on the edge!  At one point I was gonna try 
Riv's plastic fenders, but they're only 45mm wide.  On a Sam with 38mm 
tires I decided I'd rather have VO's 52mm Zeppelins without the release 
than have Riv's 45mm fenders with them.  If I could have the best of both 
worlds . . .

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:48:29 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Portland Design Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my 
> metal VO fenders and they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub 
> screw for the stay length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect 
> fender line.
>

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Re: [RBW] Butch Bubbe

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When Grant first described the RB project I got excited and followed it, 
and had every intention of buying one.  But I never did, because I was 
always on the edge of the recommended PBH range, and I learned from my 
first Sam that I don't wanna be there---I wanna be firmly inside of it. 
 Looking your TT measurement, this would probably fit me well.  Looks like 
I missed an opportunity. 

Love the tape and twine on the Bubbe tube, by the way.  

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:03:22 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This 58cm Rosco Bubbe Road bike measures 57cm from the center of the seat 
> tube to the center of the head tube, measured along the axis of the top 
> tube.  If you imagine a theoretical level top tube, it would measure more 
> like 58cm.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Butch Bubbe

[Bill Lindsay]

I got a "Hey, nice Rosco" on Bart on the way home from work tonight. 

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[RBW] Re: Albastache Setup Question.

[drew]

I have mine set so that the end of the lever is in line with the straight part 
of the bar that comes back. Because the hoods aren't super useful with this 
bar, you have a lot more room to move them around. 

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[RBW] Re: Albastache Setup Question.

[Deacon Patrick]

Like much of what I do, I do by feel. I just installed them, rode the bars 
naked and adjusted and played till I had what I wanted. I just went and 
measured and this is very interesting, but possibly less than it appears at 
first. Distance between hoods is 6.5" Hunqapillar, 10.5" Quickbeam. The 
Quickbeam is much more outboard by that measurement, but in reality, not 
much at the levers due to the curve of the bars. Conclusion. Don't fret it. 
Ride um naked and tape um where you like um.
A few photos in these show the bars well.
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/the-mad-genious-of-rivendells-hunqapillar/
and
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-sightings

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 6:48:10 PM UTC-6, David Banzer wrote:
>
> For those with albastache setups, how wide do you position brake levers? 
> Specifically, I'll be using Shimano aero levers, how wide from hood tip to 
> hood tip?
> Build in process here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BUk3fHaBh3G/
> BMC Monstercross with big ol' tires. 
> David

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[RBW] Albastache Setup Question.

[David Banzer]

Levers in the photo aren't actually installed, just slid on the bar. 

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[RBW] Albastache Setup Question.

[Joe Bernard]

You have the original Bridgestone placement now, which I found awkward with my 
smallish hands. I don't ride these anymore so can't offer a measurement, but I 
ran the lever tips on a straight plane from the ends of the bars. 

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[RBW] Re: Some bags FS

[Joe Bernard]

Carradice is sold. 

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[RBW] Albastache Setup Question.

[David Banzer]

For those with albastache setups, how wide do you position brake levers? 
Specifically, I'll be using Shimano aero levers, how wide from hood tip to hood 
tip?
Build in process here: https://www.instagram.com/p/BUk3fHaBh3G/
BMC Monstercross with big ol' tires. 
David

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Bill Lindsay]

A half-dozen thumbprints from Uncle Billy's gives me the same feeling of 
everything being right with the world.  

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> It has not seemed to be worth mentioning in a separate post but it may be 
> worth noting here...
>
> Not that I was planning it but it seemed my Appaloosa was destined to 
> replace my Cheviot.  The Joe is such great fun and can do more of anything 
> than any other bike I can remember.  That said, I love riding the Cheviot! 
>  It has such a relaxed elegance to it.  Riding it, I can somehow easily 
> imagine that all is right with the world, at least all has been right 
> before and could be again.  It gives me such a great glimpse into those 
> worlds and times.  I really love riding it.  I love the Joe as well, 
> though, and look for chances to explore with it as often as possible.
>
> They may comprise the most narrowly focused two-bike solution I can 
> imagine, but somehow I am ok with that.  Go figure...   Both make me smile, 
> both let me believe.
>
> All the news from Galesburg...  A good, long weekend to all!
>
> Bob  
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

It has not seemed to be worth mentioning in a separate post but it may be 
worth noting here...

Not that I was planning it but it seemed my Appaloosa was destined to 
replace my Cheviot.  The Joe is such great fun and can do more of anything 
than any other bike I can remember.  That said, I love riding the Cheviot! 
 It has such a relaxed elegance to it.  Riding it, I can somehow easily 
imagine that all is right with the world, at least all has been right 
before and could be again.  It gives me such a great glimpse into those 
worlds and times.  I really love riding it.  I love the Joe as well, 
though, and look for chances to explore with it as often as possible.

They may comprise the most narrowly focused two-bike solution I can 
imagine, but somehow I am ok with that.  Go figure...   Both make me smile, 
both let me believe.

All the news from Galesburg...  A good, long weekend to all!

Bob  

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[RBW] Re: For Sale Feelers: 2001 Riv Road, Joe/Joe, 52 cm

[Joe Bernard]

(Warning: Slightly dicey question ahead) Has anyone heard from Starck lately?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Steve Palincsar]

Now that one looks like it has a suspended rear.  I was wondering how 
they managed to suspend the rear wheel on that other one...



On 05/26/2017 06:42 PM, George Schick wrote:

Whoops, wrong bike. Here's the other one (hopefully):



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:37:43 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:

Patrick and others - I'd say it all depends on the conditions in
which you're riding and the kind of bike you ride.  IOW, it's up
to the individual.  I live in an area where many of the trails are
constructed from compacted limestone "screenings," the finest
crushed stone and dust that winds up at the bottom of the
limestone quarry crushing machines.  In the drier Summer months
this stuff makes a fine riding surface for just about any bike.
 But in the early Spring and late Fall these trails get very
sloppy.  A MTB is preferred riding - or at least a flexible frame
road bike with knobby tires.  To this end, I ride a dual
suspension MTB during these time.  BUT, I always wound up with a
lot of mud from this stuff all over me and the frame.  So, I
decided to find a way to mount full fenders on this bike to
minimize the effects of the mud-spray (something I was told I
could not do with a dual-boing MTB, but decided to find a way to
do it anyway).  Here's a pic of the results and, yes, it works
without a problem with the knobby's:



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:04:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies.
Fenders are most useful with knobbies, given that you ride
knobbies in dirty conditions, and because the knobs pick up
dirt. But I too would certainly hesitate more with this
combination.

Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your
safeguards? Your reasons?

Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also
run low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples
and, currently, Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets
not likely to pick up a stick. I /would/ have installed
regular, strutted fenders on my erstwhile Santa Cruz Bontrager
Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the frame easily took
fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I installed a
long motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the
steerer; no struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both
supplemented by plastic bits zip tied to seat tube and down
tube (pretty effective, if I do say so myself, but ugly).

I suppose I'd /be inclined/ to use regular fenders, say Planet
Bike Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air
under them, and if I could attach the front struts halfway up
the fork.

FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews,
with the front struts bolted way high up on the inside top
lowrider bosses. Not too much triangulation there, but while
the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't rattle. (And,
because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this
fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The
rear is a shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against
things.

Inline image 1

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood
 wrote:

I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're
practical and all. But I also really want to run knobbies
from time to time. And even though I have slicks on my
Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are just
a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done
a lot to distract from riding, with all the swaying and
rattling and spooky noises. Maybe if I end up getting a
bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely to ride off
into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders
and have them tuned up by a fender whisperer.

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time
fenders on 2 bikes, and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely
see other bikes with fenders (except my friends), and
wonder why more people here don't use them.




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[RBW] Re: PSA -- 58cm atlantis 1750 seattle CL

[Frank Brose]

Wish I lived in Seattle. I'd be on my way with cash in hand.
Frank

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 10:07:15 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I have no connection, but looks like a decent deal:
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/6144616418.html
>
> Sky in new west
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Oddly I do not notice more detritus pickup with Racing Ralphs than Thunder 
Burts, though I certainly imagine they do, it's just not noticeable.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 4:31:14 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on 
> the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together? 
> I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob, 
> you are clearly at more risk. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[George Schick]

Whoops, wrong bike. Here's the other one (hopefully):



On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 5:37:43 PM UTC-5, George Schick wrote:
>
> Patrick and others - I'd say it all depends on the conditions in which 
> you're riding and the kind of bike you ride.  IOW, it's up to the 
> individual.  I live in an area where many of the trails are constructed 
> from compacted limestone "screenings," the finest crushed stone and dust 
> that winds up at the bottom of the limestone quarry crushing machines.  In 
> the drier Summer months this stuff makes a fine riding surface for just 
> about any bike.  But in the early Spring and late Fall these trails get 
> very sloppy.  A MTB is preferred riding - or at least a flexible frame road 
> bike with knobby tires.  To this end, I ride a dual suspension MTB during 
> these time.  BUT, I always wound up with a lot of mud from this stuff all 
> over me and the frame.  So, I decided to find a way to mount full fenders 
> on this bike to minimize the effects of the mud-spray (something I was told 
> I could not do with a dual-boing MTB, but decided to find a way to do it 
> anyway).  Here's a pic of the results and, yes, it works without a problem 
> with the knobby's:
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 3:04:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies. Fenders 
>> are most useful with knobbies, given that you ride knobbies in dirty 
>> conditions, and because the knobs pick up dirt. But I too would certainly 
>> hesitate more with this combination.
>>
>> Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your safeguards? Your 
>> reasons?
>>
>> Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also run 
>> low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples and, currently, 
>> Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets not likely to pick up a 
>> stick. I *would* have installed regular, strutted fenders on my 
>> erstwhile Santa Cruz Bontrager Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the 
>> frame easily took fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I 
>> installed a long motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the 
>> steerer; no struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both supplemented 
>> by plastic bits zip tied to seat tube and down tube (pretty effective, if I 
>> do say so myself, but ugly).
>>
>> I suppose I'd *be inclined* to use regular fenders, say Planet Bike 
>> Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air under them, and if I 
>> could attach the front struts halfway up the fork.
>>
>> FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews, with the front 
>> struts bolted way high up on the inside top lowrider bosses. Not too much 
>> triangulation there, but while the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't 
>> rattle. (And, because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this 
>> fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The rear is a 
>> shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against things.
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. 
>>> But I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
>>> have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
>>> just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
>>> distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
>>> Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
>>> to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
>>> have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 
 bikes, and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders 
 (except my friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  


 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

Deacon and Jeff: thanks for the knobbies + fenders perspective. Reason for
asking, one day I may swap the hardly-knobs F Freds for something more
knobby, particularly as the Thunderburts are said to outroll even the F
Freds.

Question, Patrick: the Thunderburt knobs are hardly bigger than those on
the F Freds. Still: are the knobs too big for comfort and fenders together?
I suppose that by the time you are at the Racing Ralph or R size-knob,
you are clearly at more risk.

Jeff: I have to say that, from my experience with downpours that, in well
under an hour, dump enough rain to flood my access road a good 6" above the
12" high bb of the Diamond Back mtb fixie I was riding, fenders still help
to keep my saddle and backside dry. We get a citywide average of 8-9"/year,
ranging from 14" or so at the Sandia foothills to 5" or so in some parts of
the west mesa. Real gutters and drains are rare; most streets are
themselves gutters, feeding runoff to a system of engineered arroyos; so
that you often find yourself riding through a temporary river as runoff is
shunted toward the curbs where cyclists ride.

And, please post ride experience and photos of the new Space Horse. I am
very, very chuffed at the so-large and ever growing "road bike for dirt"
segment, and from the All City site, this seems to be a particularly
elegant example, with a particularly elegant fork. (Me, I need fatter tires
than 42s for our sandy conditions, whence the TCO compromise with the
Matthews for 60s + fenders capability.)

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[RBW] Re: Some bags FS

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. Shoot me an email at joeremi62 at gmail dot com. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Thinking about how to best answer your question, Patrick, I realized it is 
a blog post. So here you 
go. http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/fenders-and-knobbies

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:04:44 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm curious about others' thoughts about fenders and knobbies. Fenders are 
> most useful with knobbies, given that you ride knobbies in dirty 
> conditions, and because the knobs pick up dirt. But I too would certainly 
> hesitate more with this combination.
>
> Do some of y'all use fenders with knobby tires? Your safeguards? Your 
> reasons?
>
> Me, I've used fenders off road for a long while, but I've also run 
> low-tread tires off road for a long time -- Big Apples and, currently, 
> Furious Freds, which have tiny little knoblets not likely to pick up a 
> stick. I *would* have installed regular, strutted fenders on my erstwhile 
> Santa Cruz Bontrager Race Lite, with 2.3" Maxxis Ikons, if the frame easily 
> took fenders, but it didn't and, rather than hack it, I installed a long 
> motocross-type fender in front (held on by a plug in the steerer; no 
> struts), and a shortie clip on in the back, both supplemented by plastic 
> bits zip tied to seat tube and down tube (pretty effective, if I do say so 
> myself, but ugly).
>
> I suppose I'd *be inclined* to use regular fenders, say Planet Bike 
> Cacadias, with knobbies if I had at least 2 cm of air under them, and if I 
> could attach the front struts halfway up the fork.
>
> FWIW, I do use Cascadias with the F Freds on the Matthews, with the front 
> struts bolted way high up on the inside top lowrider bosses. Not too much 
> triangulation there, but while the front fender does sway a bit, it doesn't 
> rattle. (And, because the Matthews has bigly TCO, I am always kicking this 
> fender; it gets up, shakes its head, and keeps on going.) The rear is a 
> shorty because I hate bashing rear fenders against things.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Stuart Lovinggood  > wrote:
>
>> I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. 
>> But I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
>> have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
>> just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
>> distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
>> Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
>> to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
>> have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 
>>
>> On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>>
>>> Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
>>> and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
>>> friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> We're overdue for a June with monsoons
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis vs Appaloosa

[Jonathan D.]

I believe the comment from Grant also said the Joe rode 98% as  well as the 
Cheviot. Also wasn't there a comment that if Grant was designing the Atlantis 
today it would be the Joe. 

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT Parts Bin - Choco Bar, Joe OEM Pedals & Saddle, North St. Panniers, ESI Grips

[Stuart Lovinggood]

It's me again. I also have the stock 700x45c Kenda Kwick Bitumen tires that 
are probably not ever going to get mounted again. Those might be pricey to 
ship so like $*30 *shipped? 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:03:30 AM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> Choco bars and pedals spoken for, everything else available. 
>
> Saddle is 184mm wide or so, added a picture with a ruler for measurement.
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:54:04 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> LINK CORRECTION:
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxSQOUJdSaeYMXhRRTI3bW5TZDA
>>
>> Also, please contact off-list if interested. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:51:38 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>>
>>> Plotting a move to the Bay (i.e. Riv Country) (and I'm trying to buy 
>>> some new tires) so instead of holding on to these things putting them up to 
>>> good homes. 
>>>
>>> *$50 shipped/FT - Choco Norm Bar* (25.4mm sleeve clamp, 55cm width) - 
>>> These didn't suit me on my Joe so I swapped them to my Bridgestone and then 
>>> swapped them again with some off-brand Albatross. Willing to trade for some 
>>> heat-treated Albatross or sell outright. There are quite scratched up 
>>> despite their relative un-use thanks to my janky vintage MTB levers. Would 
>>> look best with lots of Newbaum's wrapped over them. 
>>>
>>> *$13 shipped - Joe's OEM Velo saddle *- big and cushy, not the 
>>> prettiest. Has a loop for saddlebags, though. 
>>>
>>> *$13 shipped - Joe's OEM VP (?) platform pedals - *Not 100% sure on the 
>>> branding but these are big plastic platforms with metal studs. I have 
>>> VP-001's but these are basically the plastic version of those. 
>>>
>>> *$110 shipped - North St. Bags Route Six Panniers - Pair* - Olive Green 
>>> - These are simple panniers suitable for front or rear racks. 15L a piece, 
>>> made in Portland and packed with no frills: one big sturdy cordura pocket 
>>> lined with xpac. Has strips of velcro inside for a laptop or accessory 
>>> case. I commuted with them a few times as front panniers on an old bike but 
>>> have swapped bikes and bags to a large Saddlesack. They measure 6x9" at the 
>>> base and taper up to 6x12" at the top, about 15" tall. They have a 
>>> simplistic bungee mount on the back but you could upgrade to a lock-in 
>>> mounting system should the need ever arise. They are relatively 
>>> unstructured so they can sway a little if underpacked. 
>>>
>>> *$5 shipped - ESI Extra Chunky Grips - *these have a big old hole in 
>>> them from a failed extraction attempt. Comfy and grippy as heck but near 
>>> impossible to get off. Put them on a bike with permanent cockpit. Otherwise 
>>> not worth the effort if you want to swap bars or components often. 
>>>
>>> *Photos of things here*: 
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxSQOUJdSaeYUE5ua09hNTNIRk0/view?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> I am in the market for some lightly used Smart Sam 29x2.1's and the 
>>> aforementioned Albatross bars if anyone knows a person who knows a person. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I want to like fenders, I really do. I know they're practical and all. But 
I also really want to run knobbies from time to time. And even though I 
have slicks on my Joe, they are 53mm wide and the 65mm wide fenders are 
just a lot to contend with. And so far these fenders have done a lot to 
distract from riding, with all the swaying and rattling and spooky noises. 
Maybe if I end up getting a bike with narrower tires that I'm less likely 
to ride off into the woods on, I'll get a nice set of metal fenders and 
have them tuned up by a fender whisperer. 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:11:18 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
> and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
> friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  
>
>
> 
>
> We're overdue for a June with monsoons
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[William deRosset]

>1. Fender safety/practicality...
>2. Clothing for wet. I used to get wet on any ride involving rain or post 
rain, either from the rain seeping in somehow or from my own sweat. 
Hilltrek's Ventile Cotton Analogy fixed that. Breathes like a cotton shirt 
(sweat in vapor or liquid form escapes >easily), keeps water and moisture 
out like a pvc rain coat (moisture doesn't get in). Dry. Happy. Rides. In 
the wet. Grin. http://www.hilltrek.co.uk


1. Rain falling from the sky >> road lime kicked up by bicycle tires. The 
former is even kinda pleasant if you're dressed appropriately and it isn't 
too cold.

Fenders are a known practical way to keep the latter off of your body and 
your bicycle. The folks I know who ride on the road regularly in the rain 
(and are not barred by rules or racing fashion from doing so) have fenders 
on their bike. Even clip-on fenders are better than nothing. Stiff fenders, 
adequate clearance, no mudflap, no knobbies, and even fenderlines all 
contribute to fender safety, as can break-away stay tabs and/or offset 
fender eyelets (move the fender eyelet to mid-fork and the fender opens up 
if a stick gets caught).

2. Clothing for wet--I ride in similar conditions as the good Deacon (low 
humidity, moderate altitude), and the Cotton Analogy stuff is just too 
bulky/hot for me if I'm riding (or XC skiing) above about 23degF. I 
actually prefer double-ventile (less insulation value, just as waterproof, 
less bulky, less expensive) to it for waterproof applications, and 
single-ventile for keeping the rain from making you miserable when working 
harder than your sweat threshold. 

Admittedly, I sweat heavily, and run warm. For athletic cycling, I carry a 
race cape (a fancy new GTX one, which nonetheless turns into a boil-in-bag 
waterproof once the effort level gets high, but it packs to the size of a 
medium Gala apple) and wear wool. I get wet in extended rain, but stay 
warm. 

For general knockabouting, strategy varies depending on whether it is okay 
to show up damp--In general, adjust effort to minimize the swamp effect, 
and wear well-vented, breathable clothing (that Ventile; waterproof 
overgloves if it is cool to cold, and plastic boots in the peri-freezing 
wet). The wind blast is your frenemy--cooling, but can be the ticket to 
hypothermia. 

 
Best Regards,

Will
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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Simple One, Phil Hubs, Eno Crank and Eno FreeWheel, $1250

[ant ritchey]

i've seen this bike in action. it's perfect. somebody get on this!

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:
>
> The Quickbeams and Simple Ones are some of Rivendell's finest bicycles. My 
> wife and I have plans to move on to a boat early next year, and I need to 
> begin the process of selling large, more difficult to store items such as 
> this bike (and a 56 Sam Hillborne that I will post after this bike moves on 
> to a different owner). I'm only going to be able to have one full bike, and 
> I want something that I can take off road, over rough country, and with a 
> load. So … up for sale. 
>
> The purchaser of this bike will likely discover it is their very favorite 
> bike. 
>
> This version of the simple one has canti brakes and lots of braze-ons. The 
> rims are CR-18's, the hubs are Phil Wood, the crank and freewheel are from 
> White Industries. Matching Brooks saddle and Plump Grips. 
>
> The bike is in Portland, Oregon. The price is for local pick up. I'm 
> willing to take it to a shop for boxing and to ship it on bike flights but 
> at the buyer's expense. 
>
> Took lots of pictures yesterday: 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezzmredk531b04z/AADct6KF4hTYbijbl0cOjqxra?dl=0

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ryan Ray]

Fenders are by far my least favorite part of a bike. I break them, bend the 
stays, stuff get stuck in them dent them, tires rub on them, it's just 
awful. But Berthoud stainless fenders work for me. I don't mind dinging 
them, the stays never wobble (Hanjos are as bad as SKS), the fenders 
themselves are strong and don't wobble into the tire and they last forever. 
I'm not sure if their strength is better or worse in terms of collecting 
debris though. 

What really freaks me out is when I see people with fenders + knobby tires. 
I would never do that.

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[RBW] Re: FEELER! 58cm appaloosa frame and fork

[Pondero]

I'll chime in with support here.  I've seen this one in person, and it is a 
beauty.  Johnny takes excellent care of his bikes.

Chris Johnson
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Austin ^]

Another advantage of fenders is that they're considerate for others who are 
riding behind you. When I encounter someone riding in the rain without 
fenders sending a spray of wet road grime behind them it often gives the 
impression that they're kind of an ass.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Deacon Patrick]

Sounds like you have two core, intertwined questions. I'll separate them 
because I'm a simpleton.

1. Fender safety/practicality. I have fenders on both my Quickbeam and 
Hunqapillar. QB has Barlow Pass tires so relatively smooth and doesn't 
collect big detritus. Its fenders are set with 3-4 mm of clearance and that 
works beautifully for me. Hunqapillar has Racing Ralph tires, so knobbies 
are good at throwing larger twigs, wee branches and various detritus about. 
Closer fenders clogged all the time. I now use an MTB mud guard in the 
front and a partial woodie rear fender. Both have an inch or more 
clearance. I still get a bit of mud on fast descents from front and rear 
above my waist, and below is always coated.  I don't have any issues with 
twigs or other bits jamming in anymore. 

2. Clothing for wet. I used to get wet on any ride involving rain or post 
rain, either from the rain seeping in somehow or from my own sweat. 
Hilltrek's Ventile Cotton Analogy fixed that. Breathes like a cotton shirt 
(sweat in vapor or liquid form escapes easily), keeps water and moisture 
out like a pvc rain coat (moisture doesn't get in). Dry. Happy. Rides. In 
the wet. Grin. http://www.hilltrek.co.uk

With abandon,
Patrick


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 12:42:17 AM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Simple One, Phil Hubs, Eno Crank and Eno FreeWheel, $1250

[allenmichael]

bump. I might be able to deliver this down to LA or the SF bay area. 

On Thursday, May 4, 2017 at 9:39:44 AM UTC-7, allenmichael wrote:
>
> The Quickbeams and Simple Ones are some of Rivendell's finest bicycles. My 
> wife and I have plans to move on to a boat early next year, and I need to 
> begin the process of selling large, more difficult to store items such as 
> this bike (and a 56 Sam Hillborne that I will post after this bike moves on 
> to a different owner). I'm only going to be able to have one full bike, and 
> I want something that I can take off road, over rough country, and with a 
> load. So … up for sale. 
>
> The purchaser of this bike will likely discover it is their very favorite 
> bike. 
>
> This version of the simple one has canti brakes and lots of braze-ons. The 
> rims are CR-18's, the hubs are Phil Wood, the crank and freewheel are from 
> White Industries. Matching Brooks saddle and Plump Grips. 
>
> The bike is in Portland, Oregon. The price is for local pick up. I'm 
> willing to take it to a shop for boxing and to ship it on bike flights but 
> at the buyer's expense. 
>
> Took lots of pictures yesterday: 
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ezzmredk531b04z/AADct6KF4hTYbijbl0cOjqxra?dl=0

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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Patrick Moore]

I don't ride often in the rain, but I do occasionally ride in very heavy (=
SW downpour) rain and let me tell you, even when riding through 6" of
flowing water, fenders **do** help keep you dry. They also keep the bike
much cleaner.

Do fenders make riding more risky, particularly when there is a great deal
of debris on the road? Yes, but they don't hugely increase the risk, IMO.
When there is a great deal of debris on the road, there is also more risk
of getting a stick in the spokes; or in the derailleur, assuming you use
such an effete thing. And, you can set fenders up to prevent wheel jamming:
for plastic fenders, breakwaway tabs; or by attaching the front fender
halfway up the fork legs.

Moreover, there is the argument from common experience, also known as* quod
semper et ab omnibus et ubique*: people have been riding bikes with fenders
for over a hundred years without epidemics of injuries. In most places,
fenders are stock on bicycles.

Sweat: Rain capes do work. They do blow about, but I've ridden without
undue comfort in capes in huge drenchers with huge and gusty winds. I get
soaked from neck up and from knees down, but in between is cool and dry, at
least if you use a thinner nylon cape. I found the Carradice Ducksback too
heavy, and that did make me sweat.

I use a thin and cheap Campmore, weighted down in back with 2 or 3 packets
of washers attached to the lower rear skirt. (It's been a while since I
used the cape, and it's stuffed into its sack, and I don't want to pull it
out; sufficient to say that 2 or 3 stacks of 2 or 3 sufficiently large
washers attached by rubber band or any other method you prefer do keep the
rear skirt in place and let you dispense with the annoying leg straps and
waist ties.

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:42 AM, lum gim fong 
wrote:

> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year,
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 700 x 32

[GSE]

Tires are sold.

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 9:02:51 PM UTC-5, GSE wrote:
>
> 2 Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 700 x 32 tires for sale.  The tires are in 
> nearly new condition.  Have less than 50 miles of use.  Asking $75.00 
> shipped in the lower 48, of the pair.  These are the folding model.
>
> PM me offline if interested.
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Brian Campbell]

I run full metal fenders on my AHH and installed Portland Design Works 
safety tabs on the front and the rear. Thankfully, so far I have not needed 
them! Before you go fenderless remember that riding in rural areas puts you 
in contact with manure...add a bit of rain and look out!

When I used to commute into Philadelphia full time, I once was forced to 
follow a leaky, smelly, garbage truck for a couple of blocks. It was 
August, mid 90's and high humidity. You get the picture.  Due to traffic I 
could not avoid the stream of foul, brown liquid leaking on the road way. 
The bike smelled awful but a quick wash and it was all good. I can only 
imagine having that spray on to me, my clothes, the rest of my bike! 
I have not owned a fenderless road bike since and never will.


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 10:06:05 AM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> With regard to the sweating, my tongue in cheek answer is buy a rain cape 
> and ride below your sweat threshold (slow).  I understand that isn't 
> everybody's gig though.  I vote to keep the fenders and maybe get some 
> safety tabs to keep your mind at ease.

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

With regard to the sweating, my tongue in cheek answer is buy a rain cape and 
ride below your sweat threshold (slow).  I understand that isn't everybody's 
gig though.  I vote to keep the fenders and maybe get some safety tabs to keep 
your mind at ease.

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[RBW] FS: WI Crankset 40/26 & Gilles Berthoud Aravis Saddle price drops

[Philip Kim]

These are 10 miles in

WI crankset 165mm arms, 40/26t - $275 shipped

Gilles Berthoud Aravis saddle, titanium rails - $250 shipped

Nitto Pearl 70mm 26.0 clamp (has about 30 miles of use) - $40 shipped


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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[ascpgh]

My bikes have been fendered for years, but I had a few weeks exception on 
my Rambouillet pending a set of wider Honjos from Compass to arrive. During 
that recess from wheel coverage I went on a group ride that turned into a 
carwash downpour, and you are right that any ride in those environs will 
leave you wet, despite fenders, wool, etc. 

Having taken fenders for granted for so long, I cannot over emphasize the 
degree of flung road filth and silt penetration of everything on that bike 
including the inside contents of my seat bag tool it and my clothing. What 
fenders keep off me, my bike and the occasional foul weather wheelsucker is 
impressive and lacks the catastrophic events of warnings.

That single ride in the spring rain necessitated a more detailed cleaning 
of my whole bike than all of the fall and winter miles afflicted to my 
daily commuter. This supported my experience riding the Trans Am in 2001 
with fenders on my Rambouillet. While my colleagues snarked about their 
weight and visuals, they replaced chains and cassettes way more often than 
I did. They also required chainrings that I did not (theirs: DA, mine: TA) 
and two of the three had brifter failures (my bar-ends remained functional).

In the years since I pedaled across the country in whatever weather greeted 
each day, I have ridden the same bike between Pittsburgh and DC on the 
GAP/C trails through the forests of the Alleghenies/Appalachians and 
commuted year round, including fender-clogging winter precipitation without 
any of the events warned about with fender use. I've suffered more physical 
injuries from the oversights and poor riding of others than from a fendered 
wheel jam.  

To the original question I'll submit that the wear and tear on the bicycle 
mechanicals when not using fenders and flaps is a consequence of fact that 
I can balance very easily with my uneventful fendered experience. 


Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 2:42:17 AM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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[RBW] The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Paul in Dallas]

I too enjoy the accounts of your cycling adventures.

Keep'em coming.

Way to go up that hill!

A few times I have surprised a full kit clad 'clipped in' guy on a high dollar 
racing bike
over the years with me dressed in cargo shorts and a long sleeve cotton shirt 
spinning platform pedals on a vintage bike.

I can no longer sustain a high effort like that for too long but it is fun to 
occasionally
put the leg to the pedal and see what you can do, 'blow out the cobwebs' so to 
speak.

I often wonder if these folks are thinking, " Wait a minute, how can old guy on 
an old bike without
all the kit and high end bike keep up and/or or pass him." " That's not what 
the bike shop told me."

Of course who knows how much riding or training  they have been able to do
or perhaps health issues any of these folks have.

More often than not the really young bucks on high end bikes pass me like I am 
standing still
but occasionally I surprise one.

However, I have been hearing more accounts of surprised racers being passed by 
folks 
who shouldn't be able to
and it turns out they have an electric assist motor on their bike.

It was great you were able to have a friendly conversation with one of them.

Safe pedaling to all in full kit or regular clothes, steel, carbon or whatever 
bike.

Paul in Dallas

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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Philip Kim]

Thanks for sharing these Tim. Didn't know PDW had something thats nice and 
sleek like these.

Lum, I don't do any brevets or anything but commute year round.

For pants I used Makers & Riders 3 season pants, which are completely 
waterproof but super breathable. Not sure if they make them anymore but it 
wouldn't hurt to ask if they have something equivalent to that.

For summers it's a bit harder, I wear thicker nylon waterproof shorts like 
Sugoi or something. I ride wool socks and have gortex shoes. I try to wear 
the Makers & Riders pants when I can,  so the  rain doesn't drip down into 
my shoes.

I've tried to use waterproof socks, but have yet to find any that are also 
breathable.


On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 7:48:29 AM UTC-4, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I had a stick jam in my rear fender stays. I skidded to a stop safely. The 
> fender (SKS P45) accordioned under the brake bridge, but nothing besides 
> the fender was damaged.
>
> Since then, I use a safety tab on the rear as well as the front fender 
> stays.
> Riv sells the SKS tab.
> For metal fenders with round stays (Honjo, Berthoud, VO, PDW), Portland 
> Design Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my metal VO 
> fenders and they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub screw 
> for the stay length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect fender 
> line.
>
>
> My points are: a rear fender jam isn't as catastrophic as a front jam. 
>  But, both can be  mitigated with safety tabs at the stay ends.
>
>
> --Tim; with full fenders on 3 bikes in "sticky" Iowa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 26, 2017, at 1:42 AM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

Stuart, I'm in Bulverde (1400' el) and run full-time fenders on 2 bikes, 
and clip-ons on a 3rd.  I rarely see other bikes with fenders (except my 
friends), and wonder why more people here don't use them.  



We're overdue for a June with monsoons

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[RBW] Re: FS/FT Parts Bin - Choco Bar, Joe OEM Pedals & Saddle, North St. Panniers, ESI Grips

[Stuart Lovinggood]

Choco bars and pedals spoken for, everything else available. 

Saddle is 184mm wide or so, added a picture with a ruler for measurement.

On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:54:04 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> LINK CORRECTION:
> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxSQOUJdSaeYMXhRRTI3bW5TZDA
>
> Also, please contact off-list if interested. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:51:38 PM UTC-5, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>>
>> Plotting a move to the Bay (i.e. Riv Country) (and I'm trying to buy some 
>> new tires) so instead of holding on to these things putting them up to good 
>> homes. 
>>
>> *$50 shipped/FT - Choco Norm Bar* (25.4mm sleeve clamp, 55cm width) - 
>> These didn't suit me on my Joe so I swapped them to my Bridgestone and then 
>> swapped them again with some off-brand Albatross. Willing to trade for some 
>> heat-treated Albatross or sell outright. There are quite scratched up 
>> despite their relative un-use thanks to my janky vintage MTB levers. Would 
>> look best with lots of Newbaum's wrapped over them. 
>>
>> *$13 shipped - Joe's OEM Velo saddle *- big and cushy, not the 
>> prettiest. Has a loop for saddlebags, though. 
>>
>> *$13 shipped - Joe's OEM VP (?) platform pedals - *Not 100% sure on the 
>> branding but these are big plastic platforms with metal studs. I have 
>> VP-001's but these are basically the plastic version of those. 
>>
>> *$110 shipped - North St. Bags Route Six Panniers - Pair* - Olive Green 
>> - These are simple panniers suitable for front or rear racks. 15L a piece, 
>> made in Portland and packed with no frills: one big sturdy cordura pocket 
>> lined with xpac. Has strips of velcro inside for a laptop or accessory 
>> case. I commuted with them a few times as front panniers on an old bike but 
>> have swapped bikes and bags to a large Saddlesack. They measure 6x9" at the 
>> base and taper up to 6x12" at the top, about 15" tall. They have a 
>> simplistic bungee mount on the back but you could upgrade to a lock-in 
>> mounting system should the need ever arise. They are relatively 
>> unstructured so they can sway a little if underpacked. 
>>
>> *$5 shipped - ESI Extra Chunky Grips - *these have a big old hole in 
>> them from a failed extraction attempt. Comfy and grippy as heck but near 
>> impossible to get off. Put them on a bike with permanent cockpit. Otherwise 
>> not worth the effort if you want to swap bars or components often. 
>>
>> *Photos of things here*: 
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxSQOUJdSaeYUE5ua09hNTNIRk0/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> I am in the market for some lightly used Smart Sam 29x2.1's and the 
>> aforementioned Albatross bars if anyone knows a person who knows a person. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Stuart Lovinggood]

I recently put some plastic PB fenders on and had some of the same 
reservations, especially since I'm in central Texas where it has only 
recently (last couple years) seemed like rain is in the forecast more 
often. I mostly got them so I wouldn't have to wash my bike after rainy 
rides and to avoid the dreaded muddbutt, but now I'm wondering if it's 
worth it, especially because this is my do-it-all bike. And when it rains 
here during the summer, there's not much I can do to stay dry that won't 
cause me to sweat through my clothes anyway. My usual tactic for getting 
through the rain is to wear a cycling cap, grin and bear it. 

The PB fenders are kind of frustrating because the metal bracket that holds 
the fender stays to the fender bends down a good centimeter directly 
towards the wheel. To stop it from hitting the tire when going over bumps 
or going at speed, I've had to pull the fender even further from the tire 
which then makes it easier for the whole thing to sway and perpetuates the 
problem. 

If I get rid of the fenders, I plan on finding some corrugated cardboard 
sign (the coated political yard sign kind) and sticking it between my 
saddlebag and rear rack to act as a frugal Ass Savers (also Ass Savers 
don't keep muck from getting all over and up into the bag). If that works 
okay I might upgrade to some hard plastic vinyl or something. 

On Friday, May 26, 2017 at 1:42:17 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on 
> the shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and 
> sometimes I wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
>
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
>
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
>
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
>
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, 
> in same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole 
> ride and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
>
> *How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?*
>
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
>
> Rethinking rethinking.
>
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The One in Which LeahFoy Races the Carbon Riders Up Killer Hill

[Fullylugged]

GKC would have enjoyed a bike like Leah's I am sure.

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Re: [RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Tim Gavin]

I had a stick jam in my rear fender stays. I skidded to a stop safely. The 
fender (SKS P45) accordioned under the brake bridge, but nothing besides the 
fender was damaged.

Since then, I use a safety tab on the rear as well as the front fender stays.
Riv sells the SKS tab.
For metal fenders with round stays (Honjo, Berthoud, VO, PDW), Portland Design 
Works sells an "FMF safety tab".  I added two sets to my metal VO fenders and 
they work great. The FMF safer tabs incorporate a grub screw for the stay 
length, so it's easy to micro-adjust them for a perfect fender line.


My points are: a rear fender jam isn't as catastrophic as a front jam.  But, 
both can be  mitigated with safety tabs at the stay ends.


--Tim; with full fenders on 3 bikes in "sticky" Iowa

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2017, at 1:42 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:
> 
> I have been using fenders now for a few years on my Rivbikes, but I get 
> nervous sometimes. Where I live it rains pretty often and lotsa sticks on the 
> shoulders.
> I have heard about the stick jamming effects that can happen, and sometimes I 
> wonder if using fenders is worth the risk.
> 
> For instance, it would be easier for me to just clean myself and the bike 
> after a rain ride than to heal up after an endo.
> 
> Also, Unless it is a very light rain, I get soaked anyway, even in quality 
> rain gear and shoe covers, from sweat/rain. Shoes become marshlands despite 
> shoe covers, etc.
> 
> Today I rode 30 + miles in a light rain with full fenders and quality rain 
> gear. Arms soaked, back soaked, head soaked, hands soaked. Rest of me was 
> dry. So it worked pretty well. But that was a continual light rain.
> 
> I got heavily rained on in the last 5 miles of a metric century last year, in 
> same gear and full Honjo fenders and was drenched to the bone, sloshing 
> sneakers, whole nine. I may as well have been without fenders the whole ride 
> and not had the stick jam crumple fender risk.
> 
> How do you cope on long rainy rides if you don't use fenders?
> 
> I wear wool to keep warm, but if I get drenched anyway, what's the use of 
> fenders if there is the endo risk? One injury endo would pretty much negate 
> all the cleanness and dryness I have had. And I would probably swear off 
> fenders forever.
> 
> Rethinking rethinking.
> 
> Here is a shot from today's rainy ride. Enjoy!
> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Butch Bubbe

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't think Bill's Rosco has the same design parameters as the others 
you've lumped it with--or even other Roscos. The RBs were built around 
Simple One forks, but beyond that, they were an opportunity to get a little 
loose. The batch that this bike came from was "road" oriented, and that 
would imply it works well with drops. I also recall reading a post where 
the Rosco specs on one batch compared favorably with the Rodeo. Some of the 
RBs were more mountainy, like the recent mountain mixte. Although some have 
put drops on Apps and Clems, I would say that would not necessarily be 
fully optimal. But certainly not terrible. Anyhow, that's how I see it from 
my computer.

Here's a bit about the Rosco designs:

*Another good thing for us is that ROSCO has been an opportunity for others 
here to learn about frame design. I shouldn’t be the only one. We have our 
ways and established parameters. Nothing leaves here that isn’t 100 percent 
Rivendell (and me) approved. But within the constraints there’s lots of 
room for creativity and new ideas, and ONLY good frames that I’d be proud 
of are coming out of it. *
[image: image]

*So the ROSCO you’re looking at may be designed by Mark, Brian, Will, or 
Roman…maybe somebody else, and maybe me; but I go over every detail, and 
I’m happy to say there’s little need for editing. We don’t list WHO was the 
main designer on them, because I don’t want dumb scuttlebutt and favoritism 
and feelings issues. *

Mark "I have zero plans to ever remove the Bosco Bulls from my 
Clem(entine)" in Beacon

On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:43:44 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That looks very rideable. I've not kept up with the design details of the 
> later Riv models, but I thought that the RB, Clems, Appaloosas, and so on 
> were designed with very long tts and meant to be ridden with swept back 
> bars. Apparently not. What is the st and tt of this one? (C-c.)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[Ron Mc]

 

 

Jan Heine flipped once when I showed this in a photo.  Tire wipers 
apparently installed one the wrong end.  
I've ridden over 10,000 mi with this set-up.  They reject rocks, sticks and 
chert from entering the fenders.  
I honestly never get a sound from anything entering the fender.  On a 
gravel road, my buddy's fenders sound like popcorn.  
They even scrape and shed intermittent mud.  
Yes, I've had them flipped around before.  They completely deform out of 
the way and don't impede rolling.  Simply stop, straighten them back out 
and go on your way.

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[RBW] Fenders - worth the safety risks? Rethinking my fender use.

[iamkeith]

Not addressing your question directly, but did you see the blog entry a while 
back that showed a scrunched sks/esge fender, from where a stick or something 
jammed and the quick release stay "didn't?"  

It was pretty impressive and put me at ease a bit.  Im probably a bit unique - 
and definitely vain - because i use fenders on my rivs more for the protection 
of the bike than myself.  I use the plastic sks ones, precisely because they 
are expendable /disposable. 

Holefully i or someone can find that photo

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