[RBW] Re: Autumn bike camping trip

[MountNormal]

The Hunqapillar was absolutely appropriate...it's a touring bike for on and off 
road. It carried all I needed and more for a s24o. I set it up with what I hope 
to tour with; saddlesack, panniers, basket/bag, and a plethora of water. I 
think this setup is gonna do the trick. I would have usually taken my 520 on 
this type of trip, although the ICT would have been up for the challenge as 
well. My bicycles are all geared toward carrying stuff, I am a fan of utility.


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 10:18:57 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
> Your life is pretty damn nice at the moment!  Did you think the hunquapillar 
> was appropriate, and did you miss the ice cream truck at all, for carrying 
> everything?

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[RBW] Autumn bike camping trip

[iamkeith]

Your life is pretty damn nice at the moment!  Did you think the hunquapillar 
was appropriate, and did you miss the ice cream truck at all, for carrying 
everything?

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[RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yes, the 2" are fine, but if the fork had a nice old-fashioned crown, we 
could fit fenders. As it is, I either must consider filing off some of that 
"excess" steel or going with a smaller tire, maybe the Compass Nachos or 
whatever that 1.8" is called. 

The model is called "Vision" and I don't think they made it for too long. 
It came with drops and skinny 26" tires and the rims are narrow. I think it 
was built as a 26" road a la some of the XOs, but the head honcho of 
Santana decided 700c was better for road, iirc (think I read it somewhere).

My bro does ride, but not recreationally. And only when I get him a used 
bike, which I recently did, a cool 90s Bianchi Boardwalk in white. 
Definitely PM me though, for routes and group contact info--I enjoy hopping 
in on friendly local rides when visiting from out of town.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:12:22 AM UTC-4, M G wrote:
>
> 2" tire is plenty big i think.  We had 38 mms on the Santana for a bit, 
> and even on dirt, they were overkill.  With 33s, there's still enough 
> cushion / but the steering reverts back to [nicely] sporty.  I have always 
> been super impressed w Santanas, and liked this one a lot / I rode it with 
> my son as well, with the raised crank stoker kit (kid back).  Does yr 
> brother ride?  We have a semi-regular group ride during the week / and many 
> weekends.   Will ping you with some route suggestions in a PM later this 
> week (i have some routes on the very unRivvish 'mapmyride', i can send 
> links)
>
> Love the color of yr Santana - and if it was a 26" wheel, was it a 
> "mountain bike tandem"? What's the difference between it and the regular 
> road tandems (elite, visa etc)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Soma Supple Vitesse for sale

[Steve Butcher]

Price drop and bump...$70.00 for the pair-shipped CONUS.  I know they're 
skinny by today's standards but they're mighty supple.  

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 8:28:21 PM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> I'm offering for sale one pair of Soma Supple Vitesse EX 700 x 28c tires.  
> They have under 200 miles on them and are in very good condition with no 
> cuts nor any history of flats.  I'd like to get $80.00 (PayPal Family and 
> Friends) shipped in Continental U.S.  Please PM me with any questions.  
> Thanks, Steve.
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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 That is a really beautiful, classy build.  May you have many, many miles 
of fun together.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

My experience is that some "sanding" agent makes the patch more reliable;
the "sanding" removes the mold release coating, I read. It's not for
roughening the surface, and perhaps alcohol does as well -- I've not used
it. At any rate, I myself would not apply a patch without sanding first.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Eric Norris  wrote:

>
>
> P.S. Ditch the sandpaper. You don’t need it. Just put a thin layer of glue
> on the tube.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, if you want inexpensive tire, IME Kojaks are better-- rolling; well,
lets say Kojaks roll fully as well; certainly better in flat resistance and
longevity -- than Paselas.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 6:03 PM, 'Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Agreed. Non-belted Paselas are still pretty good tires, and while I'd love
> some fancy pants expensive tires, my 700c x 28mm wire bead Pasela cost me a
> whopping $23 each. At least for my minimal weight (140lbs), I find the
> standard Paselas in 28-32mm ride as well as the 35mm ones with the "PT"
> protection.
>
> Eamon
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote:
>> > I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more
>> affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas
>> for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're
>> easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less
>> than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was
>> available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Palincsar
>> Alexandria, Virginia
>> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Agreed. Non-belted Paselas are still pretty good tires, and while I'd love 
some fancy pants expensive tires, my 700c x 28mm wire bead Pasela cost me a 
whopping $23 each. At least for my minimal weight (140lbs), I find the 
standard Paselas in 28-32mm ride as well as the 35mm ones with the "PT" 
protection. 

Eamon

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:36:40 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote: 
> > I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires. 
> > 
> > 
>
> Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more 
> affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas 
> for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're 
> easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less 
> than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was 
> available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new. 
>
> -- 
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> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

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I never had a patch fail until I tried a glueless patch.  It lasted a week. 
 I replaced it with another one and it lasted a day.  I threw the rest of 
the pack away and am now back to "regular" patches.  They're permanent.  

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Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

[Bill Lindsay]

It's been worth it on many levels. Maybe on more levels than I expected. 

- It's been worth it from a cycling/fitness perspective. I'm getting a lot 
stronger, and a lot faster. 
- I'm feeling prepared for the Marin Mountains 200k, which as far as I can 
tell, might be the hardest 200k brevet on the RUSA calendar. 
- I'm feeling prepared for the 2018 Mountain bike racing season, even 
though I'm not one of the racers. Maybe I'll ride as a sweeper at the 
races. Most of "my" racers follow me on Strava and/or Instagram and I hope 
my work inspires them to work.  
- I'm seeing weight loss results. There's a scale at the office that 
measures your weight and estimates your body composition from electrical 
impulses through your feet. At the beginning of this, I was 180lbs, 25% 
body fat. I'm excited to weigh in next Tuesday. I haven't stepped on a 
scale, but I see how I look different in the mirror and I see how tight 
clothes fit. I've made dietary tweaks in addition to my riding to get this 
done.  I'm shooting for <165lbs, 15% body fat, which would be awesome. At 
that point, I'm an athlete, not just a mechanic.
- I'm considering continuing this training to go for an SR Series in 2018, 
with a potential outcome of taking a run at PBP 2019.   
- I've done several very memorable rides, including revisiting some rides 
that I hadn't done in many years. 
- I'm very fond of all the bikes in my stable, and so far none of the bikes 
have disappointed.  The two biggest upside surprises have been my Rosco 
Bubbe step through and my Gunnar Double-speed. The Rosco Bubbe kicks ass, 
and has now completely filled the spot I was holding for a 650B Atlantis. I 
can't think of anything I could have done on a 650B Atlantis that I won't 
be able to do with my Rosco Bubbe 650B step through.  I've always viewed my 
Gunnar two-speed single speed as my most pointless bike.  I live on a steep 
hill in a very hilly area, what do I need with a bike without derailers?  
Now that I'm kind of fit, I can power up a lot more hills than I could have 
a couple months ago. I have set a couple Strava Personal Records (PR) in 
the lower gear, and it's taking shape in my mind as a legitimate training 
tool.  
- I've gotten a great sneak peek at retirement (I'm 48), and I have 
absolutely no worries that there will be plenty to occupy me when I've 
given up work for good. I'll try to pull in the date as much as I can. 
- It's been essentially 100% solo, and I'm still really good at keeping 
myself company. Capping it off with an SFR event will give me a taste of 
the camaraderie part. I hope I'm friendly enough.  :-/

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

>
> So has it been worth it?  And did any special favorites among the many 
> emerge?  (Or was it a case of "Love the One You're With"?) 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Eric Norris]

Properly done (which isn’t hard—just keep the patch area clean), patches last 
forever. I’ve found that most of the problems I have had in the past are 
related to cheap innertubes, not cheap patches. Seems like patches don’t stick 
to cheap tubes.

FWIW, I have had great results with patches and glue that can be bought in bulk 
online. The glue, I think, all comes from the same huge vat somewhere. Biggest 
problem I have is finding small patches. Knowing that most holes are almost 
microscopic, the huge patches that most places sell are overkill.

P.S. Ditch the sandpaper. You don’t need it. Just put a thin layer of glue on 
the tube.

P.P.S. Unless they’ve changed the formulation a *lot,* I would not recommend 
glueless patches. They might work as a temporary fix in a pinch, but they don’t 
last and will start leaking pretty quickly. 

P.P.P.S. I always carry at least one spare tube and use it to fix a flat tire 
on a ride. I patch the tube with the hole when I get back home.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Oct 3, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Philip Williamson  
> wrote:
> 
> I've never heard that tire-patching is impermanent. Every time my patching 
> job has failed, it's been apparent right away. Patches last for years and 
> years.
> 
> I've sealed a few tiny holes with Stan's sealant inside the tube, instead of 
> by patching. So far so good on two out of three tries. These three tests were 
> adding Stan's to the tube after the puncture and airing up the tire. 
> 
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
> Santa Rosa, CA
> 
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
> What is your track record with patching?
> 
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
> 
> I hear differing opinions about this.
> 
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
> 
> 
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in subject 
> title. Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Philip Williamson]

I've never heard that tire-patching is impermanent. Every time my patching 
job has failed, it's been apparent right away. Patches last for years and 
years.

I've sealed a few tiny holes with Stan's sealant inside the tube, instead 
of by patching. So far so good on two out of three tries. These three tests 
were adding Stan's to the tube after the puncture and airing up the tire. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com
Santa Rosa, CA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:36:10 PM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in 
> subject title. Thanks.
>

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Re: [RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 06:34 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
From late August to early October I got a six week sabbatical from 
work.  I decided I was going to "ride like crazy", but I need a little 
more structure than that to keep myself focused.  I decided that over 
the three month period between August 1 and October 31 I was going to 
ride 200 miles on each of 10 bikes.  This last Sunday I finished up 
bike number 7, my Rosco Bubbe step through with a summit of Mount 
Diablo, and yesterday I finished up bike 8, my Niner Air9 Carbon 
mountain bike with a 44 mile jaunt through Tilden and Redwood Parks.  
The two bikes that remain are my two-speed singlespeed Gunnar (~115 
miles done), and my normal daily commute bike, my Rosco Bubbe road 
(~30 miles done).  One week from today will be my first day back at 
work, so those that are weary from seeing my updates can breath easy 
that it's almost over.  Some of you follow my photos on Instagram and 
know all about it.  The 8 bikes in the books now are:


1.  1973 Windsor Carrera Sport
2.  Niner RLT9
3.  Black Mountain Road #1
4.  Rivendell Samuel Hillborne
5.  1985 Schwinn Tempo
6.  Black Mountain Road #2
7.  Rivendell Rosco Bubbe step through
8.  Niner Air 9 Carbon

Almost done!


So has it been worth it?  And did any special favorites among the many 
emerge?  (Or was it a case of "Love the One You're With"?)


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Steve Palincsar
Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 05:31 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.




Well, if they don't fit the budget there are some decent choices at more 
affordable prices.  I just bought a pair of 700x32C wire bead Paselas 
for $50 to use on my '63 Jack Taylor this winter.  I'd say they're 
easily 80% of the performance of a Stampede Pass std casing for less 
than half the price, and still probably better than any tire that was 
available for that bike in 27 x 1 1/4" when it was new.


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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] 10x200 mile challenge nearing the end

[Bill Lindsay]

>From late August to early October I got a six week sabbatical from work.  I 
decided I was going to "ride like crazy", but I need a little more 
structure than that to keep myself focused.  I decided that over the three 
month period between August 1 and October 31 I was going to ride 200 miles 
on each of 10 bikes.  This last Sunday I finished up bike number 7, my 
Rosco Bubbe step through with a summit of Mount Diablo, and yesterday I 
finished up bike 8, my Niner Air9 Carbon mountain bike with a 44 mile jaunt 
through Tilden and Redwood Parks.  The two bikes that remain are my 
two-speed singlespeed Gunnar (~115 miles done), and my normal daily commute 
bike, my Rosco Bubbe road (~30 miles done).  One week from today will be my 
first day back at work, so those that are weary from seeing my updates can 
breath easy that it's almost over.  Some of you follow my photos on 
Instagram and know all about it.  The 8 bikes in the books now are:

1.  1973 Windsor Carrera Sport
2.  Niner RLT9
3.  Black Mountain Road #1
4.  Rivendell Samuel Hillborne
5.  1985 Schwinn Tempo
6.  Black Mountain Road #2
7.  Rivendell Rosco Bubbe step through
8.  Niner Air 9 Carbon

Almost done!  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> ...'... if you are tired of gushing about Compass tires just skip this
> post.
>


> Ride quality is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the
> Hetre's or SBH's actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really
> matters to the feel.
>

I'd be interested to hear opinions from anyone who has ridden Compass EL
models both tubed and un-tubed; is there a big difference? I expect that
there will be less difference between tubed and tubeless with very supple
tires, assuming of course the use of good tubes. But I may be wrong. I know
that 559 X 1.35 Kojaks rode noticeably smoother and, to my senses, faster,
without tubes than with, tho' I abandoned the tubeless setup for fear of
blowouts as the tires are not designed to be used sans tubes (it was only
air pressure that kept the beads in place).


> My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and at
> least not have to mess with tubes so often.
>

>From my experience with the extremely light Compass Elk Pass, as well as
with tubeless on the Matthews, I don't find that I get more flats with
tubes than without, using Orange Seal in both. Of course, I don't ride the
EPs at pressures lower than, say, 50 psi, compared to half that for the F
Freds on the Matthews.


> 
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple
> tires compromise on protection from road debris
>

I've got over 3,600 miles on my first set of Elk Passes (559 X 27-29 or so
actual on 19 and 21 mm rims ); these are 178 gram tires, friends, and I
regularly ride them in our gravely and thorn ridden dirt. 3600 miles on the
rear, and there is still plenty of tread; the front looks almost new --
that is truly amazing. I spent $1K on a dozen tires when they first came
out, thinking I'd have to install new ones after not much more than 1K
miles, but nope ...

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[RBW] Re: FS: garage sale / new items, lower prices

[Joe Bunik]

Just a clarification from my earlier post,

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/24853389916/in/album-72157687093735244/

This ($70) is a 2nd / different "Randonneur" rack from before, and is
NOT cantilever-specific. It mounts to fork eyelets/tabs/p-clamps and
has an adjustable tang for wrapping a crown-mounted brake, i.e. this
model:

https://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/vo-randonneur-front-rack-with-integrated-decaleur.html

Sorry about any confusion,
Joe



On 10/3/17, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> Hi bunch,
>
> Some items went quick while others were radio silent. So, I shook the
> garage harder until more crud fell out!
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157687093735244
>
> Please feel free to ask any questions or to make an offer. I will include
> free CONUS shipping on any combinations of n > 2 items.
>
> FORK: Surly Crosscheck fork, $45
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157663850604470
> 
>
> used, 9/8" threadless, 700C, will measure steerer on request!
>
> STEM: 95mm Suntour ARX, $25.
> Nice and slightly obscure, high-polish finish in nice condition, 25.4
> clamp.
>
> FRONT DER: Dura Ace EX, $30
> Very clean, classic flat-plate FD.
>
> BARS: 42cm Nitto B135 Randonneur, $20
> Some zig-zags from stem fitting, including a minor marring of the
> sleeve, 25.4 clamp.
>
> RACK: Velo-Orange Randonneur (tab / p-clamp front, with decalaur), $70
> Nice rack, very good condition. Pro tip: these racks are GREAT for setting
> up a removable Wald basket.
>
> STEM: VO Grand Cru, $40
> like new, 9cm (but maybe it's 10cm?)
>
> PEDALS: Dura Ace PD-7810, $35
> Great shape and many many more miles of riding.
>
> TOECLIPS: Campy alloy, $30
> NOS, alloy, size medium
>
> CRANK: Ofmega Super Competizione, $20
> 52/42, 144bcd, Bianchi-marked. Could work nice for a city/urban build.
>
> BRAKES: Modolo America, $10
> used, missing barrel adjusters
>
> CHAINRING: Stronglight triplizer, $10
> 42t, new, 130bcd to 74bcd.
>
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

I should add that, Pre-Sealant, I applied well over 100 patches a year; I
regularly bought 2 boxes of 100 Remas at a time; 200 usually lasted me a
year. And this went on for at least 25 years after I moved to ABQ, NM.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've ripped patches off that were so firmly attached that they pulled the
> tube with them. With proper materials and proper technique, yes, they are
> very permanent indeed.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:36 PM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

I've ripped patches off that were so firmly attached that they pulled the
tube with them. With proper materials and proper technique, yes, they are
very permanent indeed.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:36 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Peter White]

Yes. Done per the instructions, 100% success. I've never tried the
glue-less types.

PJW

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:44 PM, Kainalu V.  wrote:

> Yes, but you gotta do it right. Steve P. mentioned sandpaper in another
> thread, used to rough up the surface, which I think also acts to take off
> whatever oxidation might hinder adhesion. After I've glued and applied the
> patch, I "spread" my patch like butter on the edges using my finger and a
> little adhesive. Works for me.
> -Kai
> BK NY
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 5:36:10 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 05:36 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

*What is your track record with patching?*

Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?

I hear differing opinions about this.

I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.




"Glueless" patches are a temporary fix to get you home that inevitably 
fail in the long run and end up ruining your tube. "Regular" patches 
like the Remas if done correctly are a permanent fix.   It's not hard to 
do them correctly.


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[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Deacon Patrick]

Nothing is a permanent fix. Grin. Your tubes will eventually need 
replacing. However, for all practical purposes, yes. Patches are a 
permanent fix. I've ridden patched tires for years and keep patching them 
until I can't. They do not flat more often, and so long as I patch them 
correctly, the patches hold.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 3:36:10 PM UTC-6, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in 
> subject title. Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Kainalu V.]

Yes, but you gotta do it right. Steve P. mentioned sandpaper in another 
thread, used to rough up the surface, which I think also acts to take off 
whatever oxidation might hinder adhesion. After I've glued and applied the 
patch, I "spread" my patch like butter on the edges using my finger and a 
little adhesive. Works for me.
-Kai
BK NY

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 5:36:10 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in 
> subject title. Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Garth]

It's permanent and reliable when done correctly, not if not. I like anyone 
who rides patched tubes do so for the life of the tube, which can be a very 
long while !

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

Also worth mentioning: I only use good quality patch kits, generally Rema,
sometimes Rustines. Never the glue-less ones.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used
> to run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)
>
> I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
> categories:
>
>- Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
>cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
>patch).
>- Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a
>little channel for air to get out.)
>
> Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
> consider it a permanent, reliable fix.
>
> And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny
> puncture? What a waste!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used to
run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)

I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
categories:

   - Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
   cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
   patch).
   - Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a little
   channel for air to get out.)

Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
consider it a permanent, reliable fix.

And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny puncture?
What a waste!


Best,
Reed

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> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
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[RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes it’s a permanent fix. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca. 

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[RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[lum gim fong]

*What is your track record with patching?*

Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?

I hear differing opinions about this.

I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.


Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in subject 
title. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[lum gim fong]

I could see someone weeping about the price of Compass tires.

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Philip Kim]

lol you got me...i thought for a second you were sending the saluki off...

glad to here there is no weeping, as i've had the compass RTPs weep a lot 
especially on the EL casing. would be curious to see if compass did indeed 
change the casing slightly.

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>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
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>
>
> 
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> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Chris and Erl!

Hey Steve, yeah I have a number of now empty patch kits to attest to my 
poor skill in patching.  Of all the things to struggle with...  my success 
rate is extremely poor.  especially with glass punctures it should be 
pretty easy.  I've read that the Rema Tip Top stuff is pretty good but 
haven't tried it.  

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 12:48 PM, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
The parimoto flats are not really an indictment of those tires but 
rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon Trail in vicinity of Reagan 
Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on the trails this year 
and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with the Compass 
tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not going to be 
slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.


You replace a tube with a new tube when you get a glass puncture?  I 
patch mine.


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[RBW] Fwd: FS: garage sale / new items, lower prices

[Joe Bunik]

Hi bunch,

Some items went quick while others were radio silent. So, I shook the
garage harder until more crud fell out!
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Please feel free to ask any questions or to make an offer. I will include
free CONUS shipping on any combinations of n > 2 items.

FORK: Surly Crosscheck fork, $45
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used, 9/8" threadless, 700C, will measure steerer on request!

STEM: 95mm Suntour ARX, $25.
Nice and slightly obscure, high-polish finish in nice condition, 25.4 clamp.

FRONT DER: Dura Ace EX, $30
Very clean, classic flat-plate FD.

BARS: 42cm Nitto B135 Randonneur, $20
Some zig-zags from stem fitting, including a minor marring of the
sleeve, 25.4 clamp.

RACK: Velo-Orange Randonneur (tab / p-clamp front, with decalaur), $70
Nice rack, very good condition. Pro tip: these racks are GREAT for setting
up a removable Wald basket.

STEM: VO Grand Cru, $40
like new, 9cm (but maybe it's 10cm?)

PEDALS: Dura Ace PD-7810, $35
Great shape and many many more miles of riding.

TOECLIPS: Campy alloy, $30
NOS, alloy, size medium

CRANK: Ofmega Super Competizione, $20
52/42, 144bcd, Bianchi-marked. Could work nice for a city/urban build.

BRAKES: Modolo America, $10
used, missing barrel adjusters

CHAINRING: Stronglight triplizer, $10
42t, new, 130bcd to 74bcd.

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Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

[René Sterental]

Great photos and stories!

How did you attach the rear rack so it would not interfere with the rear
disc brake?

René

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 5:47 PM, M G  wrote:

> Hi - those are WTB slicks - they're excellent.  I found them in the UK on
> super special for approx $50 each.  I've seen them anywhere up to around
> $70.  If I could fit the WTBs on my 650b single [which fits Hetres +
> fenders] I would...i think they're great tires [can't lose the fenders
> because rain bike / city bike].
>
> I have compass tires on some other bikes / i like them, but there are a
> lot of other options out there, esp for heavier bikes like tandems / city
> bikes etc.
>
> +1 on the fork bends - really beautiful, and perhaps that's a piece of the
> smooth / suspended feeling [though those tires must be a piece of it!]
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:27:14 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>>
>> Congrats
>>
>> Love those fork leg bends. Nice.
>>
>> What tires are those and how much do they cost? From the pics they look
>> like they may be a nice alternative to the Compass slicks tires.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

[Deacon Patrick]

Sweet! Whatever you see, you can ride. That is a fantastic and fun and free 
way to ride. Enjoy!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-6, MountNormal wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> So the 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived! I've attached a couple of pics (I 
> think). Impression? It's more nimble and light than I expected but I'm used 
> to riding a Surly Ice Cream Truck so I suppose I should have know it would 
> be snappier than a fat bike. Anywho, just thought I'd share. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Stephen
>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO (Maybe) a 54-56cm frame

[Gabriel Bruguier]

I have a 92 52cm XO-3 F/F/HS that I would let go for $80. I normally ride a 
56-58cm, but this felt just fine when set up with moustache bars. (see 
photo below)

Versatile, with room for 40mm tires, this was my commuter/trail bike for a 
season. 














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[RBW] Re: WTT: Medium Saddlesack Olive for Medium Grey

[John]

Hi dstein, I PM'd you about the large saddlesack.

thanks,

John

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:33:53 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> I'm looking to get a medium saddlesack in grey, either to trade or to 
> purchase if someone has one to sell. Not the light grey grid on the website 
> now but the darker grey they had last year and earlier this yer.
>
> Here's what I have to trade (or sell if I can't find a trade but find a 
> seller):
>
>- Large Grey Saddlesack (used on one overnight trip - maybe throw in 
>another $15-20 on top of the trade as it's a large for a medium?)
>- Medium Tan Saddlesack (not sure this was ever used)
>
>
> Local in Bay Area preferred for selling and shipping stuff as I'm 
> traveling a lot in October, but open.
>

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[RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[WETH]

Tony,
As I have said and written on many occasions, "I love that Saluki!"  I'm glad 
you are enjoying it again!

Thanks,
Erl 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Pondero]

Reading your story, and looking at the photos, I can't imagine why I didn't 
beg for a test ride (even if I am too small for it) when I was right there 
at that very spot with you.  Too much catching up, I suppose.  Maybe on my 
next trip...  Regardless, it is great to see you gush about the lovely 
Saluki.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Bill - the frame and fenders were powdercoated at the same time.  No
regrets there whatsoever, I love the matched fenders.

Thanks Kieran - yes those are the Paul Stoplights, took me a bit of
fiddling last time I changed handlebars to get them where I wanted but I
love the look and the power/modulation is pretty good right now.  No
weeping at all from the EL sidewall's, these are the new TL versions
though.  When I went tubeless on the non TL SBH EL's the sidewalls 'wept'
orange seal pretty impressively so there is a definite change to the casing.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 12:20 PM, Kieran J  wrote:

> Cool bike!
> Are those vintage Paul Stoplights you are running there?
> Any issues with weeping on the EL sidewalls?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of
>> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten
>> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and
>> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One'
>> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a
>> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki
>> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have
>> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really
>> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon
>> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on
>> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with
>> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not
>> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>>
>> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a
>> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my
>> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a
>> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it
>> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my
>> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at
>> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now
>> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would
>> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and
>> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>>
>> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon
>> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over
>> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right
>> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings
>> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the
>> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most
>> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires
>> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my
>> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality
>> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's
>> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the
>> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and
>> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has
>> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are
>> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear
>> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly
>> Point... a really great feeling.
>>
>> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple
>> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll
>> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at
>> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from
>> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo
>> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on
>> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but
>> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being
>> seen.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Kai Vierstra]

Nice. I have the Big One's (what they were before being rebranded as G) mounted 
tubeless on velocity cliffhangers, and I love them. I pump them up to about 30 
psi, but after not enough minutes of city riding they seem to leak/heal enough 
to settle in around 20 psi. As they're so thin and lovely, I'm on my 2nd set. 
I've got some Thunder Burts headed my way for the Rosco, looking forward to 
comparison rolling between the two.
Excited for our bikes!
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Kieran J]

Cool bike! 
Are those vintage Paul Stoplights you are running there?
Any issues with weeping on the EL sidewalls?

KJ


On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 11:45:21 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saluki Re-Tired

[Bill Lindsay]

Tires, schmires.  My approval gun is taking aim at your color-matched 
fenders!

APPROVE

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:45:21 AM UTC-7, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
> gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
> all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
> particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
> slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
> rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
> over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
> kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
> an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
> Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
> the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
> the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
> going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.
>
> While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a 
> lot of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my 
> next flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a 
> bike or car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
> Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
> Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
> the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
> available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
> completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
> another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)
>
> The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
> initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
> 40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
> now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
> from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
> gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
> run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
> have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
> looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
> is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
> actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
> feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
> at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
> struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
> on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
> on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
> Point... a really great feeling.
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple 
> tires compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
> continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
> every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
> yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
> Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
> the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
> very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
> seen.
>
>
>
> 
>  
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT: Medium Saddlesack Olive for Medium Grey

[dstein]

3-way trade successful! someone is buying my medium olive saddlesack and 
i'll be purchasing someone else's medium grey saddlesack. 

All that being said, I still have a large grey saddlesack I'd like to sell, 
used once on an overnight trip earlier this year. $220 shipped. Will post 
as a separate thread as well soon.

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[RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.

While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a lot 
of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my next 
flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a bike or 
car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)

The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
Point... a really great feeling.

Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple tires 
compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
seen.



 




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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

[Richard Rios]

Fantastic bike congratulations!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[MartyG]

Just got a delivery notice for a week from today! Will talked me into 
Schwalbe G-Ones: 700X60. Plenty of pics to come next week. 


>
>
> 2.3” to 2.4” clearance on the Huge Size Rosco Mixte. Cheviot is more like 
> 700x45-to-50 max. Cheviot has sidepulls.
>
> The Huge Rosco Mixte has the same fork crown as the current Hunqapillar. 
> Big mountain bike tire room.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived.

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Nice choices!!!  Looks like a dream...

On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 9:51:57 PM UTC-4, MountNormal wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> So the 56 650b Hunqapillar arrived! I've attached a couple of pics (I 
> think). Impression? It's more nimble and light than I expected but I'm used 
> to riding a Surly Ice Cream Truck so I suppose I should have know it would 
> be snappier than a fat bike. Anywho, just thought I'd share. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Stephen
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA... $1800 Atlantis Complete

[Surlyprof]

Doug,

It actually fits 3 and half the roof slides back to make it easier to get them 
in and out.  Nice shed.  I think it's by Rubbermaid.

I still don't want to sleep in it!

John

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[RBW] Re: FS Schwalbe Big Apple, 700 x 55, Raceguard Line. PAIR, $45 + shipping

[TopsfieldRider]

Tires have sold.  Thank you.


On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 4:31:31 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
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> Pm'd

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[RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

[M G]

Hi - those are WTB slicks - they're excellent.  I found them in the UK on 
super special for approx $50 each.  I've seen them anywhere up to around 
$70.  If I could fit the WTBs on my 650b single [which fits Hetres + 
fenders] I would...i think they're great tires [can't lose the fenders 
because rain bike / city bike]. 

I have compass tires on some other bikes / i like them, but there are a lot 
of other options out there, esp for heavier bikes like tandems / city bikes 
etc.

+1 on the fork bends - really beautiful, and perhaps that's a piece of the 
smooth / suspended feeling [though those tires must be a piece of it!]




On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 1:27:14 PM UTC-4, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Congrats
>
> Love those fork leg bends. Nice.
>
> What tires are those and how much do they cost? From the pics they look 
> like they may be a nice alternative to the Compass slicks tires.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

[M G]

Hey, thanks...fluted fenders going on it soonish.  And I will point out 
that it's a dyno hub, because we ride a lot in the late afternoons / into 
nights, and use it as our going into town for the evening transport (though 
we're also starting to split our time between our rural homestead and 
Cambridge MA which is such a great biking town].  

I will say riding a tandem is a very intimate experience / connection w a 
partner [not necessarily a romantic partner, but that is super nice].  And, 
ha, my first wife and I did not function well on a tandem, and that was 
that; the oft repeated cliche, 'a tandem gets you to where your 
relationship is going, just faster' or however it's less awkwardly phrased, 
holds true.  Happy to say that my [current, final& last] wife and I have 
been happily riding tandems for 20 years now. 

My son and i rode tandems for 10 years or so, and those were some great 
parent / kid conversation times [bike Friday tandem - for sure another 
weird machine / but works so well]




On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 7:15:50 PM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Sensational Hubbubhubbah! So classy looking. Thanks for your post. I'm 
> with Patrick in the "boo hoo" no one to ride with category.
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 9:28:24 AM UTC-4, M G wrote:
>>
>> Hey, though not much of a poster here (at least not since 2010 or so), 
>> here is a photo of our new RIv tandem. 
>> The Riv is super great.  
>> We have had many tandems over the years, this one is one of the great 
>> ones. 
>> Really stable, but - in a good sense - LIGHT steering, climbs well, which 
>> for us is the mark of a good tandem, even if we're going slowly uphill and 
>> spinning it, if it feels like an effort or not -this one does not (and it's 
>> less an issue re gearing than that ineffable "something".  This frame has 
>> that something.  
>> We've carried a fair amount of weight on it, and it's good for that too.  
>> Since getting it in July we've ridden it a  lot for shorter rides / 
>> errand rides [10 - 30 miles, almost daily], a few longer ones, and we're 
>> looking forward to some all day expeditions in the fall (which seems to 
>> have landed just this past weekend)
>> It is an incredible value, having had a bunch of other tandems, even 
>> though all bought used, this one new - seems to be almost at cost. 
>>
>
>
>  
>
>> We've really hammered with it a few times, and because it's so stable 
>> feeling - plus big tires - it's been a revelatory change, especially on 
>> dirt roads where we do a lot of riding.
>> Anyway - other impressions?
>>
>> Ron
>> Berkshires Mass
>>
>> PS [thats us on another tandem, a Santana, which is also a good one, but 
>> has some fit issues for us (too small for me, + dismount issues for the 
>> boss in back / top tube too high)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hubbubhubbuh tandem report

[M G]

2" tire is plenty big i think.  We had 38 mms on the Santana for a bit, and 
even on dirt, they were overkill.  With 33s, there's still enough cushion / 
but the steering reverts back to [nicely] sporty.  I have always been super 
impressed w Santanas, and liked this one a lot / I rode it with my son as 
well, with the raised crank stoker kit (kid back).  Does yr brother ride? 
 We have a semi-regular group ride during the week / and many weekends.   
Will ping you with some route suggestions in a PM later this week (i have 
some routes on the very unRivvish 'mapmyride', i can send links)

Love the color of yr Santana - and if it was a 26" wheel, was it a 
"mountain bike tandem"? What's the difference between it and the regular 
road tandems (elite, visa etc)

The fit piece is super nice on the Hub. / it's a medium, and fits me 
perfectly (Santana was a bit too small) / and fits my wife (for whom the 
Santana had too high a standover)  (we're selling it if anyone is 
interested, though I'm sorry to see it go, despite the fit issues)

On the Hubh. the only pieces of note are:
motolite brakes (i had them)
Sycip single bars - these are the BEST handlebars; their wonder bar is 
likewise great...made by Nitto / very wide and flat (i like my bars low and 
forward).

On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 9:40:05 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Gorgeous Hubba build, smartly appointed. Great rider photo on the Santana! 
> Aside from the Riv-like ride, the wide fit ranges are another big plus with 
> the Hubbubhubbuhs. What size is yours?
>
> My son and I also ride a Santana--a 26" that I Rivved up with the fattest 
> tires possible (2.1", inhibited from larger by the vestigial tail some 
> unicrown forks have) and some Boscos in back, Albas in front, and the 
> lovely blue back o bike bags. We've been moving the crank extenders down 
> but the seat is still slammed. I suspect he would fit fine on a Riv. (He'll 
> be 8 next month but is tall for his age.) My brother recently moved to 
> Great Barrington. Maybe we can do a tandem ride one day. Would love to know 
> some good roads out that way.
>
>
> On Monday, October 2, 2017 at 9:28:24 AM UTC-4, M G wrote:
>>
>> Hey, though not much of a poster here (at least not since 2010 or so), 
>> here is a photo of our new RIv tandem. 
>> The Riv is super great.  
>>
>>
>> PS [thats us on another tandem, a Santana, which is also a good one, but 
>> has some fit issues for us (too small for me, + dismount issues for the 
>> boss in back / top tube too high)
>>
>

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