[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Neil Doran]

Pickles. And mustard. 

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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

So Maffetone is basically advocating riding at a pulse rate below 180bpm- your 
age?

That keeps in the zone for fat burning?

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[RBW] WTB : Sackville SaddleSack Large : Grey Grid

[Amit Singh]

Hello Riv Fam -

I'm wondering if a friend amongst us has a Sackville SadleSack Large : Grey 
Grid laying around that I could use.

Please message me off list if you have one that I can purchase from you.

Many thanks!

Amit

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[RBW] Re: Is this an insane idea?

[Deacon Patrick]

The max spread of a dos freewheel is fairly small, yet you can get a wider 
spread with two single freewheels and get profiscient at flipping the tire. It 
takes about a minute when you get the hang of it (unless you’re loaded with 
panniers, then that’s a different story!), vs 30 seconds with a Dos Eno. Play 
with Sheldon Brown’s gear calculator to get an idea of how much spread you can 
get with say a 16/22 free wheel set up, then play with the chain rings with say 
40/30 (56t/62t, for a 6 tooth difference). That’s a decent climbing gear (my 
Hunqapillar’s low is 34x22, for 42”). It’s what I use for bikepacking (75 pound 
bike load) on the steep stuff. For me, it’s too low for day rides with 40 pound 
bike/load total), but from what you describe, lower may be better. Also, I’m 
riding fixed gear, which allows for a higher gearing because of the direct 
connection to the rear wheel. My set up is flipflop hub with 17/22 cogs and 
38/34 chainring, giving me 38x17=61”; 38x22=47”; and 32x22=42. That leaves with 
with a 5 tooth difference, allowing flexability for wider tires and adiquate 
clearence.

Feel free to pm me anytime on the floor living questions.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Pondero]

Thanks, all, for the input.  There are many more options than I imagined.  I'll 
look into these, and begin the experimentation.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[ascpgh]

A primer: http://josepharcita.blogspot.com/2011/03/guide-to-ketosis.html

Answering your questions: 

1.)  PerJoseph Arcita: "Well it turns out that there is a store of 
carbohydrates in your liver in the form of glycogen that will get broken 
down into glucose when none is ingested. If you do not ingest glucose for 
such a long period of time that liver-glycogen stores become depleted then 
you will take all of your energy from fatty acids."

The trick is to make your body become more efficient at recognizing and 
initiating the fatty acid metabolism. I recall some old training advice of 
keeping your hear rate below 80% calculated capacity in the early season as 
you build your mileage bases as to encourage this fatty acid metabolism. 
Trips above 80% output capacity encouraged your body to cheat, rely on 
glycogen and go easily into anaerobic operation, producing lactic acid and 
all the subsequent penalties associated with it. 

A guy I worked with was a commuter in the San Diego area who shared some 
miles of his route with Pete Penseyres and was always stunned by how the 
guy riding 65 miles to work could dust him every day. Penseyres was into 
the keto diet angle as well.

2.) I'm waiting to hear Deacon Patrick on the thread. He has great 
experience and additional sources for his guidance. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Doing keto diet now for almost two weeks (come Tuesday).
>
> Been commuting and feel good on rides but I notice that my legs hurt/burn 
> for the first mile or so on rides, which never happened when I ate regular, 
> before the keto diet.
>
> Feels like the thighs haven't recharged. Though even when they recharged 
> on former diet they never hurt (hurts like weight lifting burn now).
>
> I was wondering maybe without the sugar/carb/glycos coming in that the 
> body hasn't figured out how to recharge after my riding without them.
>
> So I was wondering:
>
> 1. What does the body recharge with if no glyco stores are available?
>
> 2. Has anyone who  keto dieted found any effects on their riding?
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS Kid's Beinn 24

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bike is sold, thank you.

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:15:08 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> (Cross post from iBoB. As Rivish as kid's bikes get. Even the aluminum 
> makes sense in a bike for someone weighing 50-60 pounds.)
>
> This is a really great bike. I tried to make do with a standard offering 
> from Trek, Specialized, Jamis. But the difference in weight and correctly 
> scaled components is so vast that I found this bike to be worth every 
> penny. I got it when he was just under 6 and a half, he's a bit tall for 
> his age. Lasted a solid 2+ years. Lots of enjoyment. Well taken care of, 
> the bike has a few light scuffs but that's about it. Rides like new.
>
> The Beinn is the all-purpose bike for kids, able to handle about town, 
> road, and dirt roads, paths, and not-too-technical single track. We did it 
> all. 
>
> The Beinn 24 sells for $650. (but no longer comes in the cool green 
> color). Also included is a rack, $55,  Kickstand, $20, set of Schwalbe 
> Black Jack tires ($50). All told this setup would cost you $725 new. Buy 
> this like new bike for $425 plus bikeflights. It will be the most fun you 
> have on a bike that's not yours! Kindly direct inquiries off list. 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> More photos here:
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/jte2HdC01o8gd2fw1
>
> Bike specs and sizing info:
> https://www.islabikes.com/product/bikes/beinn-24-age-7/
>
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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I drink Costco coconut water during my rided. 70 calories,400mg of Potassium
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Is this an insane idea?

[Eric Karnes]

Thanks Patrick! I really like the idea of riding a single speed everywhere. 
I've always been a bit of a minimalist, so the idea definitely fits into my 
lifestyle (one of these days I'll ask to pick your brain about floor 
living). But in practice it's intimidating once I get out of the (flat) 
center of the city to hilly gravel fire trails. Perhaps it would be worth 
investing in a DOS freewheel and seeing if I can do it...

Eric


On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 9:01:13 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hey Eric, 
>
> I’ll counterpoint and say it is worth experimenting with gearing, but also 
> point out that you can, with wide range flip-flop hub freewheel/cogs and 
> two same or even wider ranged chain rings (so long as the total tooth 
> difference is 6 or so, I know it is technically 8, but that can make 38s 
> snug). Then you only run the big cog with the little chain ring and the 
> little cog with the big chain ring. Two wide ranging gears. Simplicity of 
> the original bike. Best of all possible worlds. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Deacon Patrick]

Isaac, I ride bikepacking with all my gear weight except water in the rear and 
love it, including on single track. Handlebars matter. I had trouble with 
instability with Albatross, none with New Moustach (Albastache). I experimented 
with various weight in the front and found I prefer none. Hunqapillar rides 
brilliantly.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[Deacon Patrick]

Tom asked what Hunqapillar owners can do that Atlantis owners can’t. Likely 
nothing, but I just did a bikepacking trip on my HunqaBeam, total weight 74 
pounds including food and water, on single track, stomping up hills (fixed 
gear), that might over flex a lighter frame or make it feel less stable.Most 
people, however, are too smart to do stupid stuff like that. Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Deacon Patrick]

I just rode 4 days in temps up to 90˚F with too little water most of the time 
(drought conditions) without consuming anything other than one meal a day of 
beef jerkey, butter, cream cheese, cheese, 90% dark chocolate, and coffee 
beans. No idea what electrolytes are in there, but no supplimental ones along 
the way. Did just fine, until the pick-up stickes game was played on the trail 
(I think I took a wrong turn and was too stupid to figure it out in time) up to 
the Continental Divide and I had a lot of reroutes (challenging at 12K feet on 
steep slopes), unloads and portage bike and gear separately, etc, then blew my 
legs out on the last mile on 30+% grade. Oof. Not sure if electrolytes would 
have helped. Grin.

However, if you want to try something, get Bioplasma (cell salts) and put 4 of 
them in your water bottle, see what it does for you.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Lum et al,

Something that shifting to ketogenic does is require a solid aerobic base, 
because your body can’t keep up with glucose demands without constant feeding. 
I strongly recommend looking in Phil Maffetone’s books on endurance.

To the comment someone made about the body not wanting to go into ketogenic 
because it sees this as starving: 2 million years of evolution says otherwise. 
Ketogenic or low carb was the standard human state until the rise of 
agriculture, at which point all kinds of problems came in, including increased 
dental issues, heart issues, and other health issues. Carbs used to be a fall 
back food, only used extensively when meat was not to be found. Our body’s very 
negative reaction to carbs is evidence of this.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Is this an insane idea?

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Eric,

I’ll counterpoint and say it is worth experimenting with gearing, but also 
point out that you can, with wide range flip-flop hub freewheel/cogs and two 
same or even wider ranged chain rings (so long as the total tooth difference is 
6 or so, I know it is technically 8, but that can make 38s snug). Then you only 
run the big cog with the little chain ring and the little cog with the big 
chain ring. Two wide ranging gears. Simplicity of the original bike. Best of 
all possible worlds. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The 54cm Hunqapillar is gone.   Hopefully someone here got it!

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 5:32:08 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:
>
> Rivendell has four Hunqapillar demo's on the specials page, including the 
> 53cm 650B demo and that sweet, 54cm 1x11 Hunqapillar.  If I had the funds, 
> that 54 would be sold.   
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Patrick Moore]

And correcting myself, too: Souple sounds like *SOO* pluh. And soupless is
really spelled souplesse.

Tho' there is this:

soupless
soupless (ˈsuːplɪs)
*adj*
having no soup
 Patrick "soupless in Seattle" Moore

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Souple sounds like "sooopul." Perhaps you are thinking of "soupless", high
> cadence, regular, efficient pedaling that does imply a relaxed, stationary
> upper body. That sounds like "soo *pless*."
>
> Patrick "always correcting Garth" Moore, soon to eat sooper, in
> Albookerky, Noo Mexico
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>>
>>>   The French word for "supple" comes to mind m I guess it's "souple" ...
>> sounds like sue-play !  I love to ride with souple-ness  your whole
>> body is relaxed and you literally feel like "liquid" .  I just cannot
>> describe any better than that .
>>
>>
>>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Patrick Moore]

Souple sounds like "sooopul." Perhaps you are thinking of "soupless", high
cadence, regular, efficient pedaling that does imply a relaxed, stationary
upper body. That sounds like "soo *pless*."

Patrick "always correcting Garth" Moore, soon to eat sooper, in Albookerky,
Noo Mexico

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:07 PM, Garth  wrote:

>
>>   The French word for "supple" comes to mind m I guess it's "souple" ...
> sounds like sue-play !  I love to ride with souple-ness  your whole
> body is relaxed and you literally feel like "liquid" .  I just cannot
> describe any better than that .
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Eric Karnes]

I know that in Grant's book, he recommends tomato juice (at least I think 
that's where I read it). It has the salt and you can get brands (Knudsen 
and Trader Joe's) that don't add sugar and have relatively low carb content 
(around 8–10g per 8oz). I've done one bottle of this and one bottle of 
water on occasion...seems to work well.

Eric

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 3:16:33 PM UTC-4, Pondero wrote:
>
> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: When Life Gives...

[JohnS]

Put it in a front rack and figure it out later :) 

JohnS

On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 11:53:42 PM UTC-4, Curtis wrote:
>
> Sweet!  Or is that sour?
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018, 8:31 PM dougP > 
> wrote:
>
>> Are you sure that bike is up to carrying that load?  :-)
>>
>> doug
>>
>> On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 7:34:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Garth]

>
> Riding some rollers is very useful, as the riding is unforgiving for 
> choppy cadences and over steering and imbalance not just laterally but 
> fore/aft.  Every little nuance of balance and riding in co-operation with 
> rider, bike and road are in-tune, rather than trying to control/overpower 
> any of it.  Once you get the hang of it, it never goes away... just like 
> riding a bike in the first place. The more I think of it, when we do learn 
> to ride a bike we are experiencing all the nuances of balance and rhythm, 
> but seem to "forget" it as we "grow stupid" !  


  The French word for "supple" comes to mind m I guess it's "souple" ... 
sounds like sue-play !  I love to ride with souple-ness  your whole 
body is relaxed and you literally feel like "liquid" .  I just cannot 
describe any better than that .  

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Hammer Endurolytes capsules.

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Re: [RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/09/2018 12:59 PM, Birdman wrote:

I’ve been doing a lot of long rides and sub24Os on the 65cm Atlantis that I 
built up over the winter and I’m loving it. It’s the most comfortable touring 
bike I’ve ridden and it handles a load so well. It’s super stable at speed and 
on descents.

Where I’m having trouble—and could use some advice—is on slow climbs. All the 
stability is gone. Instead, it’s very hard for me to keep a good line, which 
can be pretty scary on busy roads with no shoulders. I find myself weaving all 
over the place. Part of it may be the nature of a high trail bike (67cm with 
48mm Shikoro tires). I also have a big front rack w/basket and do tend to carry 
some weight up front, though more goes in the rear on tour. But I’m also sure 
that better climbing technique could help, as I’m relatively new to loaded 
touring. I’ve already found that relaxing my upper body and picking a spot up 
the hill to aim for has helped.

Any thoughts, tips, advice?


I had the same issues on slow climbs with my Rambouillet and my Saluki.  
It's high trail / high wheel flop at work.  Going slow up steep hills in 
a 20" gear felt a lot like balancing on a knife blade with the bike 
wanting to dart off to one side or the other on a whim.   I lost it once 
with each of them, the bike darting across the road at a right angle.


I replaced each of those bikes with a low trail, more flexible 
alternative.  Neither of those bikes shows the slightest inclination to 
dart off to the side on slow climbs, and there's no sawing back and 
forth with the handlebars to keep the bike in line.  I just sit and 
ride, and the bike minds its manners and climbs nice and straight.


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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Ron Mc]

anticipating shifting is good advice.  Best to maintain your momentum.  If  
you shift too late, you've lost it, and there's no getting it back.  

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> Just be sure to gear down as much as possible, don't shift much and find 
> your rhythm.
>
> For what it's worth I much prefer higher trial bikes climbing.
>
>>
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[RBW] 26er vs 29er

[Joe Bernard]

I think more important than wheel size is how much you want a 29er Hungapillar. 
There's 3 of them up on the Riv site right now, they're gorgeous, and snagging 
one without a very long wait is no easy task these days. If you think you'll 
love it and have the money, this decision is settled!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Patrick Moore]

When I owned a Sam (in case it's pertinent, this was the original model, I
think) I found the wheel flop somewhat excessive. Shod with ~32 mm Jack
Brown Greens, t certainly carved downhill corners well, but sitting up and
pedaling up steep hills in low gears left the front end so light that I too
was disconscerted by the front end's tendency to wander. It would not have
been the deal breaker -- in fact, I got rid of it because it was too
betwixt and between; neither roady enough to enjoy fully on pavement, not
capable of tires nearly fat enough for our dirt. A Sam that took 700C X 60
mm tires would have been a joy and a keeper -- I usually climb standing,
anyway.

Upshot: the wandering tendency may well be due to geometry and not to rider
position. Note that my other Rivs do, or did, not exhibit this errant
tendency.

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> Thanks, Ron, I’ll work on that. I’ve been relaxing my grip/arms, but have
> still been putting weight on the bars and haven’t necessarily focused on
> activating my core.
>
> Btw, Trail is 69mm not 67cm!
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Re: [RBW] 26er vs 29er

[Patrick Moore]

Riding the same tires in 26" and 29" sizes on flat and rolling terrain, on
a combination of gravely surfaces with bad washboard, and sandy surfaces
with sand up to about 3" deep (deeper than that and I have to walk), I find
that the larger wheels "float" better, meaning less effort to negotiate the
sand, and more comfort over the rough sections.

I also notice that bikes with the smaller wheels are more nimble,
especially when dodging obstructions and riding twisting singletrack fast.
But the first difference is, at least IME, more important than the second.

That said, while I would not trade my Matthews (29.5" wheels) for a 26er,
if all I could get was a nice classic 26" hardtail with drop bar and Rat
Trap Pass tires, I'd not be too put out. I imagine that for touring on
firm-ish surfaces, the latter would be quite nice.

I did find that my 1992 XO-1 was wholly inadequate, with its limited tire
capability, for at least the sort of dirt riding I do. So, if you are going
to jump, perhaps less reason not to make the jump to the Hunquapillar.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM, Erik Wright 
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> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[John G.]

I'm 10 days in to a very low carb diet, and I've struggled on rides over 40 
miles at a pace of 17.5-ish mph, which is my normal June pace for my 
standard routes. I've lost about 9 pounds, so it's working, but it's clear 
my body is still transitioning. I'm much slower, and I've never before had 
to take so many breaks on a 50-miler. I'm going to try a lower 
intensity--the only reason I ever ride that pace is either a) I'm pressed 
for time or b) I need to burn all those carbs!

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> Thanks, Karl!!
> I will try it!!!

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[RBW] Re: Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Shoji Takahashi]

Some people recommend dill pickle juice. Maybe that or dilute it down? 
Sauerkraut juice? 

(I've never tried it, but sounds not too bad.)

Good luck, Chris.
Shoji
Arlington ma



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>
> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone 
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense 
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water 
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the 
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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Re: [RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris, try these.

 
https://www.walgreens.com/store/c/thermotabs-salt-supplement-buffered-tablets/ID=prod6146001-product

I found them to work great. They're less than 1/2 the price of Endurolytes 
(which are made by Hammer products, although they have calcium and magnesium, 
which the Thermotabs don't.) No sugar in either. 

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Birdman]

Thanks all, super useful.

Joe, that was my take away from my last sub24O. On tour or when otherwise 
loaded, the basket will be for a wind breaker, snack, etc., basically a couple 
of light  items I want within reach. I have a large Saddlesack and panniers for 
the front rack for the rest of the gear. Basket is loaded around town.

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

[Drw]

I had a 29er hunq. It was an amazing bike, but in my size, 54cm, I felt that 
wheels and tires that big and burley were a little overbearing and a lot harder 
to get rolling and to keep rolling on steep climbs. I agree that 29ers will 
smooth out some stuff. The other thing to note is that to really benefit from 
the hunqapillar, you’d want to be running >55mm tires. If I was only ever 
riding downhill and flat, I think that’d be the way to go for sure. Or if I was 
bigger and the wheels were more proportional to my and the bike‘s frame. 

I tend to agree that whatever you have will work just fine, but that’s not 
always fun. Any hunqapillar will be tons of fun. 

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[RBW] Climbing technique tips?

[Joe Bernard]

You'll get better with the tips you've been given, but there's no getting 
around that you're high- front-loading a bike not really designed for that. 
More load on the rear - as you say you're doing - plus panniers up front should 
help. Piling a bunch of stuff into that basket is - in my opinion - better for 
flattish commuter-type riding than grinding up hills with narrow shoulders and 
cars whizzing by. 

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Re: [RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Tommy Patterson]

I live/ride in NOLA where you use every sweat pore you have. Rode 85 miles
on my Ram this morning and consumed 6 20oz bottles.

I like Scratch or Osmo products. Lowish calorie with a touch of real sugar
and fruit. I recall reading that salt passes the cell membrane more
efficiently when paired with sugar, and a little goes a long way. Sport
drinks have way to much sugar IMO, and you can get your calories from ways
that suit you best.

Happy hydrating!
Tommy

On Saturday, June 9, 2018, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> I sometimes use these:
> http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/high5-zero-electrolyte-drink-
> tablets/rp-prod42650
>
> They come from the UK, but I order enough to get free shipping, so the
> cost is pretty reasonable.
>
> Unlike the similar Nuun product that’s available here in the States these
> High5 Zero tablets actually contain no carbs at all.
>
> Or, even better, cut out the color and artificial sweetener too and just
> wash a Salt Stick tablet down with good old water:
> https://www.rei.com/product/823163/saltstick-electrolyte-
> salt-capsules-100-capsules
>
> Salt Stick even makes a version with both electrolytes and caffeine, which
> have been a huge help on more difficult brevets.
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Pondero  wrote:
>
>> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone
>> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense
>> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water
>> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the
>> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>>
>> Chris Johnson
>> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[John G.]

I've also found that high cadence on the lowest possible gear helps me from 
lurching around on climbs on my Atlantis. FWIW, I stopped putting handlebar 
bags on mine--I much prefer how it handles without weight above the wheel. 
A decent saddlebag does the trick for me.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 4:03:07 PM UTC-4, CMR wrote:
>
> Just be sure to gear down as much as possible, don't shift much and find 
> your rhythm.
>
> For what it's worth I much prefer higher trial bikes climbing.
>
> On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 9:59:42 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> I’ve been doing a lot of long rides and sub24Os on the 65cm Atlantis that 
>> I built up over the winter and I’m loving it. It’s the most comfortable 
>> touring bike I’ve ridden and it handles a load so well. It’s super stable 
>> at speed and on descents. 
>>
>> Where I’m having trouble—and could use some advice—is on slow climbs. All 
>> the stability is gone. Instead, it’s very hard for me to keep a good line, 
>> which can be pretty scary on busy roads with no shoulders. I find myself 
>> weaving all over the place. Part of it may be the nature of a high trail 
>> bike (67cm with 48mm Shikoro tires). I also have a big front rack w/basket 
>> and do tend to carry some weight up front, though more goes in the rear on 
>> tour. But I’m also sure that better climbing technique could help, as I’m 
>> relatively new to loaded touring. I’ve already found that relaxing my upper 
>> body and picking a spot up the hill to aim for has helped. 
>>
>> Any thoughts, tips, advice? 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>> Isaac 
>> PDX 
>>
>> Here’s a photo so you can get a sense of the set up: 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Drw]

I relate to this a lot, and as such have no solid advice. I’ll second that a 
high front load is harder for me to manage at low low speeds. I’ve also noticed 
that I look down a lot more on slow extended climbs vs looking ahead when 
riding normally. When I try to keep my head up, which is surprisingly difficult 
for me in those moments, I have a much easier time tracking straight and 
avoiding correcting and overcorrecting my steering. 

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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[CMR]

Just be sure to gear down as much as possible, don't shift much and find 
your rhythm.

For what it's worth I much prefer higher trial bikes climbing.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 9:59:42 AM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> I’ve been doing a lot of long rides and sub24Os on the 65cm Atlantis that 
> I built up over the winter and I’m loving it. It’s the most comfortable 
> touring bike I’ve ridden and it handles a load so well. It’s super stable 
> at speed and on descents. 
>
> Where I’m having trouble—and could use some advice—is on slow climbs. All 
> the stability is gone. Instead, it’s very hard for me to keep a good line, 
> which can be pretty scary on busy roads with no shoulders. I find myself 
> weaving all over the place. Part of it may be the nature of a high trail 
> bike (67cm with 48mm Shikoro tires). I also have a big front rack w/basket 
> and do tend to carry some weight up front, though more goes in the rear on 
> tour. But I’m also sure that better climbing technique could help, as I’m 
> relatively new to loaded touring. I’ve already found that relaxing my upper 
> body and picking a spot up the hill to aim for has helped. 
>
> Any thoughts, tips, advice? 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Isaac 
> PDX 
>
> Here’s a photo so you can get a sense of the set up: 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

[tc]

Offroad?  29 for sure.  I can't tell the diff at my level betw the offroad 
acceleration that some claim to feel is better in 27.5 and 26 vs. 29.  All 
I know for sure is that 29s really help to smooth out the ride.

That 58 demo Hunq with the Wavie is haunting me!  Be gone Hunq, be gone!

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Reed Kennedy]

I sometimes use these:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/us/en/high5-zero-electrolyte-drink-tablets/rp-prod42650

They come from the UK, but I order enough to get free shipping, so the cost
is pretty reasonable.

Unlike the similar Nuun product that’s available here in the States these
High5 Zero tablets actually contain no carbs at all.

Or, even better, cut out the color and artificial sweetener too and just
wash a Salt Stick tablet down with good old water:
https://www.rei.com/product/823163/saltstick-electrolyte-salt-capsules-100-capsules

Salt Stick even makes a version with both electrolytes and caffeine, which
have been a huge help on more difficult brevets.


Best,
Reed

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 12:16 PM Pondero  wrote:

> There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone
> can recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense
> that long summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water
> alone).  But I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the
> trick?  Or is there a better way?  Suggestions?
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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[RBW] Low/No Carb Electrolyte?

[Pondero]

There is a lot of sweating going on recently, and I'm wondering if anyone can 
recommend an electrolyte replacement strategy without sugar.  I sense that long 
summer rides go better when I use Gatorade with water (not water alone).  But 
I'd like to avoid the sugar/carbs.  Will any salty food do the trick?  Or is 
there a better way?  Suggestions?

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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Re: [RBW] 26er vs 29er

[Steven Sweedler]

Erik, I bought an Ogre with 29 x 2.2 to try out the big wheel, rode the
Great Divide on it, then bought a Hunq and moved the parts, sold that and
now touring on a '92 Trek 930w/26 x 2.35 Big Apples and am very satisfied.
My rough stuff all rounder is a new to me Trek 830 that I just bought off
the Bob list. its not slowing me down and if you ever fly to a tour,
packing  a 26" wheeled bike is much easier, especially a large frame. Steve

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 1:59 PM Erik Wright  wrote:

> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
>
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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The bike you have is the perfect bike for your next tour. 

That said if you are buying new, my experience is 29+ wheels are cushioned, 
confidence-inspiring, rolls-over-anything fun. My three off-road bikes have 
29x3, 26x3 or 4, and 26x2.75. The 26ers are lighter, quicker, more jarring. 
I choose the 29x3 just about every ride. 

Wheel size should also be a direct function of frame/rider size.

Joe in GJT who rode road this Saturday morning.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:59:12 AM UTC-6, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting 
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on 
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq 
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in 
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a 
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for 
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars 
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources 
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and 
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in 
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades 
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do 
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike 
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng 
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways 
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't 
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge 
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a 
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho 
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
>

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

[Timothy Hurley]

Erik, 
Buy one of the demo Hunqs. I’ve never seen one in real life, if you get one 
maybe I’ll see it locked up outside the South Street Whole Foods or something. 
I’d be stoked. I saw a Bombadill locked up outside a South Philly coffee shop a 
few months ago. It was very exciting. Cheap thrills.

 -T.J. 

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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Ron Mc]

you're welcome, I'm a huge fan of low-trail bikes because of the front fork 
ride.  

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:02:37 PM UTC-5, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks, Ron, I’ll work on that. I’ve been relaxing my grip/arms, but have 
> still been putting weight on the bars and haven’t necessarily focused on 
> activating my core. 
>
> Btw, Trail is 69mm not 67cm!

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't have a lot of experience with offroad riding but based on the 
little I have, I wouldn't go with anything other than a 29'er for that type 
of riding.  The stability of bigger wheels and the ease with with they roll 
over things make a huge difference (for me) over smaller wheels.  I say 
this as a person who prefers 26 x 55 wheels/tires for pavement riding.  



On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 12:59:12 PM UTC-5, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting 
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on 
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq 
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in 
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a 
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for 
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars 
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources 
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and 
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in 
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades 
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do 
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike 
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng 
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways 
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't 
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge 
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a 
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho 
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
>

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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

Thanks, Karl!!
I will try it!!!

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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Birdman]

Thanks, Ron, I’ll work on that. I’ve been relaxing my grip/arms, but have still 
been putting weight on the bars and haven’t necessarily focused on activating 
my core.

Btw, Trail is 69mm not 67cm!

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[RBW] 26er vs 29er

[Erik Wright]

Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting a 
new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on the 
blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq for 
offroad riding/bikepacking.

I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in 
essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a 
26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for 
roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars 
+ Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources 
around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and 
Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in 
today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades 
master-of-none kind of way.

What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do 
the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike 
for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng 
time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways when 
I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't doubt 
that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge 
difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a 
29er really make that big a difference?

Thank you for your insight!

Erik in Philly

**Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho Hot 
Springs MTB route in September.

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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Karl]

When I began longer rides and working out after a month of EBDJ, I often drank 
an Atkins shake 30 minutes before a workout. This helped tremendously. I can 
now easily ride 25 miles or do a boot camp class at the gym burning 1000 
calories without eating. It took my body about a month with the shakes before I 
was able to just go. This was also with following pretty close and being into 
ketosis by 2.5 on my blood meter. 

Ol’ Keto Karl
Non-Keto Nashville

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[RBW] Re: WTB: French Freewheel

[lconley]

I probably have a 5 speed, but not a 6.

Laing
Cocoa, FL

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 1:42:10 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:

> I’m in need of a French-threaded, 6-speed freewheel. Wide range (13-28, 
> 14-28, etc.) preferred. *Must* be French threaded.
>
> Anybody have one?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First Riv: 26” Toyo Atlantis

[DarinM]

Kai,

It may be, but I don’t think it will be significant enough to notice. We will 
see next week.

Darin

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[RBW] WTB: French Freewheel

[Eric Norris]

I’m in need of a French-threaded, 6-speed freewheel. Wide range (13-28, 14-28, 
etc.) preferred. *Must* be French threaded.

Anybody have one?

--Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

Woke up this morning feels like 0 recovery after 22 mile commute yesterday. So 
tired.  Normally even 30 mile commutes are no prob on regular diet.
I guess just takes time for body to adjust.
The 16 mile commute earlier this week was ok for recovery. Maybe I will stick 
to that route and try 22 nile route again in a couple weeks.

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[RBW] 650B Roadini build

[lconley]

 Pardon the poor back ground choice and limited resolution.




Rivendell Roadini frame - 48cm, Blue - 7lb 9oz including BB and headset.

 
Drivetrain: 10 x 1 - index shifting - 36 to 91 inch gear range 
Shimano Ultegra 12-30 cassette 
Shimano Ultegra chain with KMC master link 
Holdsworth 144 BCD 165mm crankset with 42 tooth Stronglight chainring 
MicroShift RD-47S rear derailleur 
MicroShift 10sp indexing bar end shifter 
Shimano Ultegra red housing and Teflon coated shift cable (super glued end) 
Red anodized left shifter boss cover from somewhere in eastern Europe

 
Pacenti Brevet wheelset: 650B, 28 spoke, 2 cross. Front wheel with rimstrip 
- 736g, rear wheel with rimstrip and cassette spacer for 10 sp - 851g
Pacenti Hi-Flange 11 speed hubs 
Pacenti SS Skewers 
Pacenti Brevet 23 mm rims 
Pacenti Rim strips 
Sapim D-Light spokes 
Schwalbe lightweight tubes 
Pacenti Pari-Moto 38mm tires 

Cockpit:
Nitto Technomic Deluxe stem, 50 mm, 190 mm tall 
Dajia shallow drop handlebars 
Tektro RL-341 brake levers (for small hands) 
Newbaums red handlebar tape 
Rustine’s red bar plug and red shifter cover 

 

Brakes:

Tektro R559 brakes
Kool Stop Dura2 triple compound brake pads (front not yet installed)
VO red brake cable kit with soldered cable ends 

 
26.8 seatpost as included with frame
Brooks B17 special titanium, antique brown (take-off from my Guv’nor)

VP-001 pedals - red
Branding polished off of brakes and derailleur with Simichrome 
Black barrel adjusters replaced with silver or grey from the parts bin 
where possible

 

Total weight as pictured - 24 lb 0 oz

 

Going to see if R539 brake fits on the front.

May switch to Thompson zero setback seatpost.

May install vintage Blackburn Fastrak rear rack.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[Drw]

I also sold my hunq for a MUSA Atlantis. Mainly because 29er wheels/tires on a 
54cm frame felt huge to me. I’d consider them functionally equivalent and 
similar in feeling, stiffness, etc, though I know the geometry is different. I 
decided I really only need a 50mm tire at my max and prefer not super swept 
back bars. If I felt like I wanted to run albatross’ and huge tires,  id stick 
with the Hunq

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[RBW] Re: Climbing technique tips?

[Ron Mc]

get weight off the bars, support yourself with core muscles.  This will 
both reduce your steering input, and speed up your climb.  

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[John G.]

I sold my Hunq to buy my MUSA Atlantis. The Atlantis better suits my style of 
riding, but I regret selling the Hunq. It was just fun to ride.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[Dave Johnston]

I think the only hint at a MIT Hunq is the following from the Blahg, per 
below they considered keeping the name Hunqapiller for the new mtb.

"We were all set to name the new mtn bike Elephantus--a rebound name after 
we'd finally opted out of Hunqapillar to avoid confusion...and it turns out 
there is an Elephant brand bike, so we gotta just let him be with that" 
- Blahg

I think its OK to keep names for updates to a product serving the same 
basic function.  Old Corvettes aren't anything like new Corvettes, and the 
old Trek 720 doesn't look like today's. Besides which they are keeping the 
Atlantis name and the Hunq head badge and decals are awesome, gotta be 
better than "H. "Larry" Gomez".

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I was wondering if Bill's response in this thread was specualtion or a 
subtle hint at some insider information.  The possible MTB was my first 
thought. 






On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 2:10:53 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Grant had mentioned something in the Blahg about a potential mountain bike 
> that peaked my interest.  I wonder if that’s on the way. 
>
> John

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[Andrew Huston]

Man, I had a 54 hunqapillar and stupidly sold it. Probably my biggest mistake 
bikewise. I’d have to sell the lot to go for it. BMC or crust evasion anyone?? 
;)

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day! Almost a trade of a Black Mountain Road for a LEO

[Dave Grossman]

I didnt know about the sparkling orange until now.oh man.  Now I want one 
even more.

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[RBW] Re: Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Rusty Click]

I've been attempting to follow EBDJ for about the same amount of time as 
you.  Initially, I was expecting some muscle weakness or decrease in energy 
especially on longer (3 - 4 hr rt's) rides.  It just hasn't been a factor, 
and I'm not hungry for food during the ride.  I have lost over 10 pounds in 
this time.  I am trying not to over think what's going on physically, and 
just apply these new things into my routine.

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Doing keto diet now for almost two weeks (come Tuesday).
>
> Been commuting and feel good on rides but I notice that my legs hurt/burn 
> for the first mile or so on rides, which never happened when I ate regular, 
> before the keto diet.
>
> Feels like the thighs haven't recharged. Though even when they recharged 
> on former diet they never hurt (hurts like weight lifting burn now).
>
> I was wondering maybe without the sugar/carb/glycos coming in that the 
> body hasn't figured out how to recharge after my riding without them.
>
> So I was wondering:
>
> 1. What does the body recharge with if no glyco stores are available?
>
> 2. Has anyone who  keto dieted found any effects on their riding?
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Extreme Commuting--a checklist ride complete

[Kellie]

YAY Sean!


On Friday, June 1, 2018 at 8:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sean Kline wrote:
>
> Bill, Kellie and all: I’ve loved this thread. 
>
> (Since I live near El Cerrito Plaza Bart and work near Civic Center BART, 
> I don’t have a good biking commute these days.) 
>
> Inspired, I decided to bike 2.5 hours from Daly City (BART) to Half Moon 
> Bay Thursday after work for a business meeting Friday morning. It was a 
> busy workweek, so I didn’t get organized to map the ride carefully—just 
> typed ‘to’ and ‘from’ into Google Maps and took off on my Sam. 
>
> I’ve had some truly bad routes using Google alone, but this time I was 
> gifted an amazingly beautiful ride through quiet neighborhoods of Daly City 
> before a climb up into the mountains in Pacifica over and down the other 
> side on a dirt trail and eventual quiet back streets to Half Moon Bay. 
> Though I love the view of the Pacific from Highway 1, it can be a hairy 
> ride, especially at rush hour and on weekends. On the ride yesterday, I 
> didn’t ride Highway 1 once. 
>
> Sean 
>
> (Sent from phone) 
>

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[RBW] Re: quality of bike photos on Riv website

[Ron Mc]

I was trying to order one day and ended up on the phone with Will and even 
he couldn't help me, because their computer had zonked.  
They fixed it within 30 minutes, but I'm guessing they're keeping their 
bandwidth down by design to keep customer communications working better.  

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 11:45:35 PM UTC-5, CMR wrote:
>
> I think these kinds of things should be mentioned directly to Rivendell, 
> you should contact Dave, his contact info is on the staff page.
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/staff-email-directory
>
> I agree, the photos are usually gorgeous, I'd love the option to easily 
> open an HD version.
>
> Chris
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Riv Hunqapillar Demos for sale under web specials.

[Surlyprof]

Grant had mentioned something in the Blahg about a potential mountain bike that 
peaked my interest.  I wonder if that’s on the way.

John

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[RBW] Keto Rivendell Commutes and 2 questions

[Cameron Murphy]

1) I'm not an expert, but from what I understand, your body can metabolize 
glycogen from both lactate, and somewhat less efficiently from protein in your 
diet.  I know my performance and energy levels took a real hit for a few weeks 
when I went low carb, and probably took 2-3 months to really bounce back.  Now 
I can do rides of 3-4 hours without any food, and actually finish stronger. 
(I'm not hammering, but averaging ~150 watts, and 14-16 mph over a ride).
2) No, I actually don't get burning muscles any more.  High efforts are cardio 
limited for me. Eventually, too much work over my aerobic threshold leaves my 
legs just weak and rubbery, but not burning or sore.  Also, I found I don't get 
much if any post-ride soreness like I used to.  I can do long rides, or some 
hard efforts that leave me spent, and feel pretty normal the next day.  I do 
notice that all out sprints seem to suffer -- I feel I run out of steam sooner, 
but it isn't drastic.  Maybe a 10% reduction.

Cameron Murphy
San Marcos, CA

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