[RBW] Ok to take out a 650b edeluxe hub and into 700c A23 wheel?

[CMR]

I prefer to keep the same lacing pattern as a previous build to keep the hub as 
strong as possible. You dont see hubs break too often so might not matter but 
its optimal. I'd sell and build another!

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[RBW] Ok to take out a 650b edeluxe hub and into 700c A23 wheel?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I am under the assumption it doesn’t matter if edeluxe widebody is used for 650 
or 700. Not size specific.

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[RBW] Ok to take out a 650b edeluxe hub and into 700c A23 wheel?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Or better just to sell the whole 650b wheel intact and get a new dyno hub put 
into my A23?
Tough choices..

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[RBW] Re: front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[Lum Gim Fong]

My wobbliness may be contributed to by my super slick rolling IRD RollerDrive 
needlebearing headset. That thing is so smooth.
I keep checking if it needs snugging or something but nothing moves fore/aft on 
the stack/cups/races upon braking and rocking. Everything snug. 

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[RBW] Re: Rear 130 wheel ok in 135 DO? 4mm each side need to be taken up.

[Lum Gim Fong]

Yeah, it’s a wonky setup. Dropouts measure about 140 inside face to inside 
face, relaxed with no wheel mounted.
Came stock with about 132.5 wheel.
My A23/135 LX fits great, but need to use  that set for another project.
100 CR18 seems too narrow.

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[RBW] Best brake fork crown clearance calipers?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Current production and under $100 US dollars.
Cannot dangle below fork crown, stealing needed cm.

Gotta be sidepulls or centerpulls mounted to fork crown. 700c wheel reach. 
Silver color.
Thanks for the info.

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[RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Joe Bernard]

Looks like a Clem H with hints of the very pretty curve in the L, and uses that 
bike's most excellent seat lug. I like it!

Joe "Hill Bike is a great category name" Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Rear 130 wheel ok in 135 DO? 4mm each side need to be taken up.

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That sounds like a wider spacing than normal...

I went through this a couple weeks ago, and even called Rivendell to ask 
about running a 130 wheel in a 135 dropout.  I said I wanted to use the 
wheel for a few years, and they said it would be fine.  But again, my 
spacing really was only 5mm different.

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[RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Justin, Oakland]

Looks great. Kind of a Space Frame Meets Clem H. 

Excited to see something like this made. Where’s the samples of the Rosco Bebe 
tho?

-J

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[RBW] Rear 130 wheel ok in 135 DO? 4mm each side need to be taken up.

[Lum Gim Fong]

I measured with wheel loosely dropped in and pushed all the way to one dropout 
side:
8mm gap on other side.
So there is going to be 4mm each side of hub that will need to be taken up when 
QR tightened.
HiTen Raleigh dropouts.
Had a 135 in it. 130 going in.
4mm each side too much? Or ok to use?
Thanks for the info.

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[RBW] New "Hill" Bike is Posted

[Collin A]

Looks different, as all rivendell bikes do. It'll be interesting to see how 
it rides and what the bike industry will think of it at the trade show.

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/all-about-ebikes

Happy Saturday riding everyone,
Collin


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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would suspect that with the huge frame sizes he rode, Jobst wouldn’t have 
likely ever chosen 650b for himself, regardless of tire size. I guess we can’t 
ask him anymore to know for sure .

Eamon 
Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[sameness]

Here's a story on the development of Tom Ritchey's early mountain bikes 
,
 
which includes his early flirtations with 650b.

The article references Ritchey's conversations with Brandt regarding 
optimal wheel size:

Brandt’s understanding of physics as an engineer meant that he encouraged 
> Ritchey to use the largest diameter wheel he could manage, to embrace the 
> inherent efficiencies of a larger wheel. Ritchey settled on the 650b, which 
> represented a compromise between the 700c wheel - fine for taller riders 
> but hard to fit on smaller off-road bikes - and the 26” wheel, which at the 
> time was heavy and much less efficient.

 
So there's a tangential reference to both Brandt and 650b. No idea if Jobst 
considered the idea of 650b for road and mixed terrain applications, but he 
was no doubt at least aware of their existence. Maybe 700c just made more 
sense to him because it was the larger wheel. 

I don't pretend to understand the "inherent efficiencies" he's talking 
about, but I also didn't study engineering at Stanford, nor have I 
conquered the Alps on 22mm sew-ups.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA 

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Reed Kennedy]

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 9:17 AM Brewster Fong  wrote:

>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> There is no "like him". Jobst was a cantankerous fellow who rode hard and
>> didn't think much of things like road conditions or exhaustion.
>
>
> Agree, you need to do a search for his annual Europe trips. He had a
> checklist of things he would pack.
>

Now that's a packing list I'd like to see! Lemme dig for a minute...

I think this is it:
https://yarchive.net/bike/baggage.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20010410090452/http://www-math.science.unitn.it/Bike/General/Packing_List.html

Also came across this extended version, which says it is based on Jobst's:
https://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/French_Swiss_Alps_1998/packlist.html


Best,
Reed

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Owners: White Industries ENO or VBC Crankset?

[sameness]

I believe that to be more or less the case as well, but if I had my 
druthers I'd like to go the low Q route. 

Interesting observation about the chainstays limiting the ring size on your 
SO, so thank you! 

I'm after a ~42mm chainline, clearance for 44-46T chainrings, and low Q, 
but I could easily give up the last one to keep the first two.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 3:07:41 PM UTC-7, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> I thought that the VBC and the ENO were the same crankset, just different 
> Q Factor? MTB for ENO and VBC for road. My SimpleOne experience was that 
> the chainstays weren't limiting Q Factor, but were limiting chainring size. 
> I needed to go up a size in BB spindle when I was running a 44 chainring.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Owners: White Industries ENO or VBC Crankset?

[sameness]

Thanks! Agreed on the looks of the VBC chainrings, and having seen pics on 
the information superhighway, I'm actually considering using one as a 
single instead of the ENO ring. 

Also agreed on forged cranks, using a Dura Ace 74XX with a TA Alize ring is 
my fallback plan.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 2:39:16 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Congratulations! I think the VBC chainrings are prettier. I had a couple 
> sets of ENO cranks, but I don't think they ever made it onto the Quickbeam, 
> because I'm pretty dedicated to the dingle expression of that bike. I did 
> like them on the Singular, but sold all that kit when I sold the bike. I 
> like forged Shimano cranks, but would consider the VBC for a wide-ranging 
> double, for sure. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Owners: White Industries ENO or VBC Crankset?

[Ben Miller]

I thought that the VBC and the ENO were the same crankset, just different Q 
Factor? MTB for ENO and VBC for road. 

My SimpleOne experience was that the chainstays weren't limiting Q Factor, but 
were limiting chainring size. I needed to go up a size in BB spindle when I was 
running a 44 chainring. 

Ben

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[RBW] FS: Bikes, Frames, Bags

[Karl]

In an effort to streamline before moving, I am looking to lighten the load. 
Details below. Thanks for looking!

*Sam Hillborne MUSA 55cm*- Complete Bike $1300 to lower 48
- 55cm Seat Tube 57cm Double Top Tube
- Rich Built Velocity/LX 700 Wheel set
- Sugino Triple Cranks
- Shimano Rear Derailleur 
- Nitto Double Bolt Seatpost
- B17
- Nitro Bosco Bars with Shimano Levers
- Plastic Fenders, Nitro Front Rack, and Basket Included
- Pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1253qWtHUe76P
Overall good condition. Scratches and chips but nothing major. Does have a 
crack at the kickstand plate, but I will provide a new plate to the buyer. 
Does not affect the frame or performance in any way.

*Clem L- 52CM*. Blue- $650 shipped to lower 48
- Frame, Fork, Bottom Bracket. Headset in frame is there to keep them 
together.
- New and never built. 
- Pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B12GtnIORGJvybb

*All Rounder*- Made for 26' Wheels- $1600 Shipped
- Built, No signs of being ridden
- 56cm Seat Tube C-T-C
- 58cm Top Tube C-T-C
-Pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B125VaUrzbJmH1

*Bags:*
*Baggins Banana Bags*- $75 Shipped Each
- Quantity of 2, both of equal beausage 
*Baggins Candy Bar Bag*- $50 shipped
- Good condition except for small cut in bottom less than 1" long. Can be 
easily sewn
*Frost River Highway 1 Panniers-* $150 Shipped
- New
*Frost River Gunflint Trail Seat-* $150 Shipped (Or $250 total for both 
Frost River Bags)
- New
*Sackville SaddleSack Small*- Green- $125 Shipped
- New

Pics: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B12JEsNWnJHqbjp


Karl
Nashville, TN


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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam Owners: White Industries ENO or VBC Crankset?

[Philip Williamson]

Congratulations! I think the VBC chainrings are prettier. I had a couple 
sets of ENO cranks, but I don't think they ever made it onto the Quickbeam, 
because I'm pretty dedicated to the dingle expression of that bike. I did 
like them on the Singular, but sold all that kit when I sold the bike. I 
like forged Shimano cranks, but would consider the VBC for a wide-ranging 
double, for sure. 

#entmoot

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA



On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 1:25:43 PM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> At long last I have a 60cm Quickbeam on the way to me, and I'm thinking 
> about using White Industries cranks for no other reason than that I've 
> always wanted to, ha.
>
> I'm leaning towards the VBC crankarms since I'd like to take advantage of 
> the lower Q, but I'm not sure if the Quickbeam needs the additional 
> clearance offered by the ENO.
>
> Anyone here use(d) one or the other and can chime in on a recommendation? 
> And while we're at it, suitable BB model and length you used to get a good 
> SS/fixed chain line?
>
> I know I could ask WI and/or RBW, and may resort to that, but since I'd 
> like to buy the cranks used, I feel bad kicking their tires with no 
> intention of giving them a sale.
>
> Any help greatly appreciated!
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Fabio’s Chest

[Drw]

Sold. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB on the Blahg (again)

[Stuart Lovinggood]

It's definitely *Niles G. Blowouts*

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 5:23:40 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There's a word puzzle for the new name. I gave it 10 minutes then realized 
> I never would have guessed Sam Hillborne or Joe Appaloosa, so I'm never 
> going to figure this one out. Good luck, wordy people!

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[RBW] Quickbeam Owners: White Industries ENO or VBC Crankset?

[sameness]

At long last I have a 60cm Quickbeam on the way to me, and I'm thinking 
about using White Industries cranks for no other reason than that I've 
always wanted to, ha.

I'm leaning towards the VBC crankarms since I'd like to take advantage of 
the lower Q, but I'm not sure if the Quickbeam needs the additional 
clearance offered by the ENO.

Anyone here use(d) one or the other and can chime in on a recommendation? 
And while we're at it, suitable BB model and length you used to get a good 
SS/fixed chain line?

I know I could ask WI and/or RBW, and may resort to that, but since I'd 
like to buy the cranks used, I feel bad kicking their tires with no 
intention of giving them a sale.

Any help greatly appreciated!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] WTB 66 or 68 Atlantis

[Cody Bartz]

Anybody have this rare beast?

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[RBW] Re: front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[tc]

Bo,
How much do you need to carry?

The Acorn Bags "Tall Rando Bag" is very well-made and can hold a ton.  I 
ended up not needing anywhere near that much space (but it looked great :)  
I used it with a Berthoud decaleur.  On my Sam I had to splay out the brake 
cables somewhat to allow the bag space.  It didn't affect braking 
performance.  

The Acorn Bags "Handlebar" bag is also very well made, and of course 
smaller and doesn't need a decaleur.  2 straps attach it to the bar.  
Plenty of room for an eyeglasses case, wallet, iphone, keys, spare tube, 
tire lever, multi-tool, and small snack.  The cotton is thick so it keeps 
its form well and doesn't sag.  I have this one on my Atlantis with 
Ahearne+Map bar.

Just this week got from Soma the "Biwa-Ichi" handlebar bag made by 
Ostrich.  Love it.  Just a tad smaller than the Acorn handlebar bag, but 
can hold all of the above stuff I listed.  2 straps attach it to the bar.  
This bag is very well-made, also made of thick cotton, but also has a 
plastic insert for the bottom, and one for each side, that help maintain 
shape.  A little classier looking than the Acorn bag, which is no slouch 
itself.  Given its smaller size, slightly classier appearance, and no need 
for rack, I opted to put this on my Roadini.

I'll send some pics if you want, but you can find pics, sizes, and 
shapes.online too.

Tom

>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Shimano CX50 Cantilever Brakes, Nitto Front Rack Model Martin-pêcheur (cantilever rack), Nitto Long cable hanger

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

All sold

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Re: [RBW] front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I rode with Mark's rack mounted with P-clamps and a Sackville small
trunksack or Acorn rando bag if you want more space.  I think the handling
was a bit slower with a rack/bag combo, but for me it never felt wobbly.

Toshi


On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 8:41 PM bo richardson  wrote:

> and decaleur?
>
> thanks
>
> bo
>
> anyone have something good they would part with?
> have a few trade goods
>
> thanks again
>
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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Ginz]

I recall an interview by Grant Petersen where Brandt agued against the value of 
the longer flap on the Carradice longflap bags. Now *that’s* an opinion. 

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Ash]

Oh my!  These pictures are worth making posters!  

It appears like he is riding uphill on  a muddy rugged narrow track with 
53t chainring.  Animal! (I say that with respect)

Guess almost none of the details we sweat about really mattered to him.  He 
was more into riding than bikes.  

I recall Garth reminding me about 'riding' when I was lost thinking all 
kinds of tiny details about the 'bike' :)

I have had conversations with folks who have done multi-month rides.  One 
of them rode from Prudhoe Bay (which involves 400 miles of godforsaken 
Dalton/trucking/gravel highway) to Key West.  I tend to ask them what wheel 
size, which tires,  tire width, what brakes, bags, power source and so 
forth.  They were quite under equipped, going by my list.  Also 
interestingly none of them had strong opinions about any of those details.  

On Friday, 14 September 2018 09:17:15 UTC-7, Brewster Fong wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> There is no "like him". Jobst was a cantankerous fellow who rode hard and 
>> didn't think much of things like road conditions or exhaustion. 
>
>
> Agree, you need to do a search for his annual Europe trips. He had a 
> checklist of things he would pack. Here's a few iconic pictures of him 
> riding:
>
>  
>
> With some guy named Tom Ritchey.
>
> [image: Tom Ritchey: A Tribute to Jobst]
>
> A local ride
>
> [image: 
> https://us.ritcheylogic.com/media/magefan_blog/2015/05/3-peterjobstalpinerd1988800.jpg]
>
> Jobst was direct, opinonated and didn't suffer fools gladly.  But he was 
> smart and used his engineering skills (formerly worked for Porsche and HP) 
> to help develop basically all of Avocet products and wrote the Bicycle 
> Wheel book.  Good Luck!
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Fabio’s Chest

[Drw]

Ryan I sent pics your way. In terms of construction, the bag is top notch. 
Incredibly well made. The design is interesting and it has some very 
cool/unique touches. What it came down to for me is that this bag is way too 
big to use on a regular ride for me. I don’t have any big trips in my immediate 
future but was looking for something that could do double duty as a normal bike 
bag and expandable tour bag, and this is definitely a touring bag. Also I’m 
learning that I’m not a huge fan of roll tops. I like easier access. 

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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Jeremy Till]

Jobst was a keen engineer who could cut through the marketing BS that 
dominates technical discussion in the bike industry, but I would hardly 
call him a role model for how to cycle with comfort and ease if you're not 
a superhuman. He toured the Alps, not to mention his weekly rides in the 
Santa Cruz Mountains (for those that have never been, there are some damn 
steep climbs up there), with something like a 47x26 low gear. He preferred 
single pivot caliper brakes over higher-leverage dual pivots because they 
lacked cosine error, and told anyone who preferred the easier-to-squeeze 
dual pivots to get stronger hands. Once, while touring the Alps, he 
crashed, broke his leg, and then re-mounted and rode himself a number of 
miles to the nearest hospital.  

Comfy tires, fenders to stay dry, racks and bags for carrying our extra 
layers and food, more than one water bottle...these are things for us mere 
mortals, for which Jobst had no use.  

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> I am interested to know what mega milers like him think about use of 
> racks, fenders, luggage,  and lighting, since they have that stuff all 
> worked out.
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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Brewster Fong]

My favorite is his gearing. I believe he had something like a 52/47 
chainrings upfront and like 13-24 in the rear. In his "later years" he put 
on a 13-26. So on all those wonderful alpine climbs he did, Jobst basically 
grinded up standing in his 47x26 gearing. But I understand that was his 
style. He wasn't the fastest up, but he got there. When he was on 
rec.bicycles.tech, he basically chew people out for people trying to 
challenge his findings without any evidence to support their claims. I miss 
those days


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>
> John: see: 
>
> https://www.trentobike.org/byauthor/JobstBrandt.html
>
> https://yarchive.net/bike/index.html
>
> Etc.
>
> Somewhere online Jobst described his history of alpine touring, starting 
> shortly after WW II (wooden rims, tubulars). For ~50 years he toured the 
> alps, paved and dirt, dry and wet, on a road bike with 5 or 6 speed 
> freewheels, Carradice saddlebag, toe clips/straps; fenders and racks were 
> as foreign to him, apparently, as electric assist.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 9:58 PM, Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
>
>> I am interested to know what mega milers like him think about use of 
>> racks, fenders, luggage,  and lighting, since they have that stuff all 
>> worked out.
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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Patrick Moore]

John: see:

https://www.trentobike.org/byauthor/JobstBrandt.html

https://yarchive.net/bike/index.html

Etc.

Somewhere online Jobst described his history of alpine touring, starting
shortly after WW II (wooden rims, tubulars). For ~50 years he toured the
alps, paved and dirt, dry and wet, on a road bike with 5 or 6 speed
freewheels, Carradice saddlebag, toe clips/straps; fenders and racks were
as foreign to him, apparently, as electric assist.


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Re: [RBW] Jobst on 650b?

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 10:14:11 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> There is no "like him". Jobst was a cantankerous fellow who rode hard and 
> didn't think much of things like road conditions or exhaustion. 


Agree, you need to do a search for his annual Europe trips. He had a 
checklist of things he would pack. Here's a few iconic pictures of him 
riding:

 

With some guy named Tom Ritchey.

[image: Tom Ritchey: A Tribute to Jobst]

A local ride

[image: 
https://us.ritcheylogic.com/media/magefan_blog/2015/05/3-peterjobstalpinerd1988800.jpg]

Jobst was direct, opinonated and didn't suffer fools gladly.  But he was 
smart and used his engineering skills (formerly worked for Porsche and HP) 
to help develop basically all of Avocet products and wrote the Bicycle 
Wheel book.  Good Luck!

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[RBW] Re: For sale Roscoe Mtn Mixte

[Jamo.]

Me too please!

On Saturday, September 8, 2018 at 1:50:06 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
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> Yes Jonathon but the files are too large to post here. 
> I’ll email them to you 
>
> Thank you 
> Ray

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[Michael Doleman]

Just as an FYI response to the Sugino OX suggestions that have been 
floated, here... I have used that very crank, before (it's what I had on my 
old Sam), and can speak for its quality. As far as I know, however, there 
are (frustratingly) only a handful of chainring combinations with which you 
can get it, in terms of stock configuration. I have settled on liking a 
44/28 combo, and you can't get the OX in that arrangement, that I know-of 
(unless you go out and purchase separate rings, after the fact). The Rene 
Herse and IRD Lobo cranks offer the ability to completely customize the 
chainring combination. The White Industries double cranks also allow for 
this, but their set-up is so highly unusual that I've never even considered 
it. I do have a set of their hubs, however, and they are brilliant. So I 
assume the crank is quite nice, too:

http://www.whiteind.com/road-crank/

Like the Rene Herse, however, I think that a complete set-up will set you 
back something on the order of 5 to 6 hundred bucks. Crazy. The IRD Lobo 
has the advantage of being relatively economical, by comparison.



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>
> For my recent Hillborne build, I wanted a super-compact double crank. For 
> which I finally settled on one of the modern Rene Herse iterations 
> available from Compass. Crazy-expensive, but I figured me & my Sam were 
> worth it.
>
> I've had nothing but difficulty getting my front derailleur into proper 
> alignment and adjustment, for the crank. (I'm running an 11-34, 9sp 
> cassette, BTW). There is sufficient "wobble" to the crank to make it 
> impossible to trim the derailleur to a point where there is no chain rub, 
> except in those gear combinations where the chainline is spot-on perfect. 
> Anything outside those settings and there is some rub. The large chainring 
> (a 44t) seems to meander by as much as 3mm.
>
> This is a nearly brand-new crank, and has not been put through any sort of 
> punishing trials at this point. I'm using one of the Compass SKF bottom 
> brackets, so everything ought to be perfect. But it's not, and I don't know 
> why. So I need to ask: who else uses one of these cranks, and what is your 
> experience with it? Does it simply flex enough that this level of movement 
> is to be expected?
>
> On my previous (2009) Sam, I'd used a Sugino compact crank with outboard 
> BB, and never had any such issue.
>
> I consider myself to be a reasonably competent mechanic, but I admit 
> troubleshooting FD and crank issues has sometimes proven problematic for 
> me. I've tried micro-adjustments to the position of the FD, and that 
> doesn't seem to be the fix, at all. (I'm using one of the Shimano 
> Ultegra-level CX derailleurs they make specifically for cranks with small 
> outside chainrings).
>

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Re: [RBW] WTT: My Nitto Dirt Drop RM014 (52cm - 31.8 clamp) for your Nitto RM013 (52cm, 26.0/25.4) or other alternative?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks Jeff.  A trade for my bars is currently pending but I also just sent 
you a direct reply to see if we may arrange something separately.  I do 
have a sizeable parts stash right now and maybe we could work something 
out.  If not, I'll check with you in the event my funding situation changes 
and you still have the bars as I'd still like to try the widest RM013.

Best,
Brian Cole

On Friday, September 14, 2018 at 9:13:46 AM UTC-4, Jeff wrote:

> I have a RM013 52cm w/26mm clamp that I purchased from Ben's Cycle in July 
> when I was on a handlebar mission. Around the same time I procured a 
> Cowchipper, a Ritchey Venturemax, and an Origin8 Gary OS Sweep bar. I 
> tested all of them as a replacement for a Nitto Noodle, where I was looking 
> for more flare than the Noodle, but similar reach. I came to prefer the 
> Origin8 bar, and have been dragging my feet in offering up the Nitto, 
> Cowchipper and Venturemax for sale. I really don't need to trade and I 
> understand you're not in a position to buy, but I'm happy to consider other 
> items in trade, or if you can consider selling your bar I can hold my Nitto 
> to trade to you for that cash you'd get from a sale.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:49 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne  > wrote:
>
>> I'm putting this out there for a potential even swap, bar for bar?
>>
>> I originally picked up the RM014 52cm after previously using and liking 
>> the RM013 48cm on a different bike and wanted a similar bar, just a little 
>> wider, but needed 31.8 for use on a newer bike with a threadless headset 
>> and already had a handful of 31.8 stems available.
>>
>> Turns out the RM014 is VERY different than the RM013 and it wasn't until 
>> after receiving the bar that I realized this and only later stumbled onto 
>> the following biketouringnews article which highlights the differences:
>>
>> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>>
>> I later tried the RM014 with VO Cigne LD stem and although the combo 
>> worked pretty well I still missed the wider and more traditional ramp/hood 
>> position on my road oriented single speed so it wasn't long before 
>> I removed them.  I have no other immediate plans for a dedicated dirt drop 
>> bike and recently sold the VO stem so I'm now ready to pass along the RM014.
>>
>> Wondering if anyone out there is in need of a 31.8 dirt drop bar and 
>> holding a 52cm wide RM013 (either 26.0 or 25.4 clamp) and interested in an 
>> even trade?
>> or
>> widest 48cm Noodle?
>>
>> I'm also open to other alternatives such as:
>>  
>> Nitto RM-3 (which I think has a wider ramp and shallower drop than 
>> RM014, if I understand correctly?) 
>> Albastache
>> Salsa Cowbell/Cowchipper or something similar with flattish ramps and 
>> flare?  
>>
>> I also have a 44cm Giant branded 31.8 alloy drop bar with no flare 
>> available for consideration. I picked it up from a friend who did a flat 
>> bar conversion on their CX bike but the shape of the drops just didn't work 
>> for me.  This was actually the first bar I tried on the single speed and 
>> still have it around.  Just mentioning this one in case anyone out 
>> there with a flared drop happens to prefer no flare but needs 31.8 and 
>> would be interested.
>>
>> I'm always open to other interesting trade offers... quality/unique 
>> stems, bags/accessories/, other parts, etc...
>>
>> PLEASE NOTE: I'm only looking for trades right now where we'd just cover 
>> our own shipping... I have no funds or budget to otherwise purchase 
>> anything outright or offer cash for higher value trade items at this time.  
>> If nothing surfaces I may eventually list the bars for sale with a 
>> few other spare parts but not there yet and still sorting things out and 
>> reviewing my stash.  My need for the requested bars is LOW priority and 
>> just something I've considered, so please don't respond to offer a bar for 
>> sale unless you have some kind of trade in mind.  I just can't buy anything 
>> right now.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrenceville, NJ
>>
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[RBW] Re: front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[Lum Gim Fong]

I will say54 Ram has wobbly handling up front with front loads. But nothing 
that can’t easily be tamed. I rode thus way for a couple years and was great.

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[RBW] For sale Roscoe Mtn Mixte

[Ray Varella]

Price drop to $650 plus shipping 

Thank you 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Fabio’s Chest

[Tom Wyland]

Ryan,
To get an idea of how the bag works, watch the video posted on the Crust 
Website: https://crustbikes.com/products/fabios-chest-2/

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Rene Herse crank wobble/deflection issue(?)

[C.J. Filip]

I had to go wider on the BB spindle than what you might need on a non-Riv.  
I had nothing but chain rub on the front derailleur body either.  A wider 
BB allowed me to raise the FD up the seat tube where the chain could run in 
the widest part of the FD body while still preventing the outer FD body 
from hitting the drive-side crank.  

This negates some of the low-tread/Q of the crank, but the Q will still be 
less than most other modern cranks out there by a good margin.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Swift Fabio’s Chest

[Ryan M.]

Hey Drew, 

Can you send me some pics of this?  How do you like the design/useability 
and build quality of this bag?  I'm very curious about these, but not sure 
if it will work with my current bike stable. It might though.

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 9:18:53 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:

> Bought off the list from Ant. I don’t think he ever used it and I just 
> mounted it before realizing it’s too big for me. 
> Size small. Dark olivey color. New condition. 
> 235$ shipped (which is what I paid). 
>
> Pics on request. 
> Info here 
>
> https://ultraromance.bigcartel.com/product/ultaswift-wizard-sleeve-cozy-cave-small

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Re: [RBW] WTT: My Nitto Dirt Drop RM014 (52cm - 31.8 clamp) for your Nitto RM013 (52cm, 26.0/25.4) or other alternative?

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a RM013 52cm w/26mm clamp that I purchased from Ben's Cycle in July
when I was on a handlebar mission. Around the same time I procured a
Cowchipper, a Ritchey Venturemax, and an Origin8 Gary OS Sweep bar. I
tested all of them as a replacement for a Nitto Noodle, where I was looking
for more flare than the Noodle, but similar reach. I came to prefer the
Origin8 bar, and have been dragging my feet in offering up the Nitto,
Cowchipper and Venturemax for sale. I really don't need to trade and I
understand you're not in a position to buy, but I'm happy to consider other
items in trade, or if you can consider selling your bar I can hold my Nitto
to trade to you for that cash you'd get from a sale.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD



On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:49 AM Coal Bee Rye Anne <
lionsrugbyalu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm putting this out there for a potential even swap, bar for bar?
>
> I originally picked up the RM014 52cm after previously using and liking
> the RM013 48cm on a different bike and wanted a similar bar, just a little
> wider, but needed 31.8 for use on a newer bike with a threadless headset
> and already had a handful of 31.8 stems available.
>
> Turns out the RM014 is VERY different than the RM013 and it wasn't until
> after receiving the bar that I realized this and only later stumbled onto
> the following biketouringnews article which highlights the differences:
>
> http://biketouringnews.com/components-touring-bicycles/cockpit/touring-bike-handlebars/nitto-dirt-drop-handlebars/
>
> I later tried the RM014 with VO Cigne LD stem and although the combo
> worked pretty well I still missed the wider and more traditional ramp/hood
> position on my road oriented single speed so it wasn't long before
> I removed them.  I have no other immediate plans for a dedicated dirt drop
> bike and recently sold the VO stem so I'm now ready to pass along the RM014.
>
> Wondering if anyone out there is in need of a 31.8 dirt drop bar and
> holding a 52cm wide RM013 (either 26.0 or 25.4 clamp) and interested in an
> even trade?
> or
> widest 48cm Noodle?
>
> I'm also open to other alternatives such as:
>
> Nitto RM-3 (which I think has a wider ramp and shallower drop than
> RM014, if I understand correctly?)
> Albastache
> Salsa Cowbell/Cowchipper or something similar with flattish ramps and
> flare?
>
> I also have a 44cm Giant branded 31.8 alloy drop bar with no flare
> available for consideration. I picked it up from a friend who did a flat
> bar conversion on their CX bike but the shape of the drops just didn't work
> for me.  This was actually the first bar I tried on the single speed and
> still have it around.  Just mentioning this one in case anyone out
> there with a flared drop happens to prefer no flare but needs 31.8 and
> would be interested.
>
> I'm always open to other interesting trade offers... quality/unique stems,
> bags/accessories/, other parts, etc...
>
> PLEASE NOTE: I'm only looking for trades right now where we'd just cover
> our own shipping... I have no funds or budget to otherwise purchase
> anything outright or offer cash for higher value trade items at this time.
> If nothing surfaces I may eventually list the bars for sale with a
> few other spare parts but not there yet and still sorting things out and
> reviewing my stash.  My need for the requested bars is LOW priority and
> just something I've considered, so please don't respond to offer a bar for
> sale unless you have some kind of trade in mind.  I just can't buy anything
> right now.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville, NJ
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Sam Hillborne Waterford Made

[Karl]

I did forget one thing. I bought used, and the kickstand plate weld was 
loose on one side. Only matters if you use a kickstand without a top 
plate... If it bothers you too much, I'll take $100 off.

Karl
Nashville, TN

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 6:49:45 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> I have a severe overlap in bikes, and I need to pair down a bit, so here 
> we go. 55cm Sam Hillborne with 57cm double top tube. Waterford made. Some 
> scratches but no dents or dings. Bosco bar, nitro stem and seat post, B17, 
> Sugino crank, Rich made LX wheel set and Deore rear derailer. Also will 
> include front rack, basket (don't try this at home), and fenders. I will 
> pack and ship via Bikeflights. $1300 plus actual shipping.
>
>
> Will sell Frame and Fork only for $1000 plus shipping. Pics at address 
> below. Thanks!
>
>
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1253qWtHUe76P
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone tried 10 speed indexing with the Altus/Acera big pulley derailleur?

[Tim Gavin]

It should have no problem.  I use Shimano 10-speed bar-ends with a 9-speed
XT rear derailleur, and it indexes perfectly.

The Altus/Acera derailleur has the exact same shift ratio (SIS).

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 1:27 AM, lconley  wrote:

> I have successfully used the Altus for 9 speed indexing (Dura Ace indexing
> bar end on thumbshift adapter) and it has enough travel to shift the chain
> into the spokes (don't ask) on my Clementine. Shimano cassette on VO
> touring hub.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
>
> On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 4:44:47 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
>> Like the subject says:
>> Anyone tried 10 speed indexing with the Altus/Acera big pulley derailleur?
>>
>> Road Shimano indexing I should say.
>>
>> -J
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: front rack bag for a 54ram. what do people here like.

[Tim Gavin]

I have a Randonneur bag from listmember David B, aka Treetop bags.
https://treetop.bigcartel.com/category/front-bags

He can do semi-custom.

I use a VO decaleur and Nitto Mark's Rack.



On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 8:06 AM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Compass/Nitto for pearl/tech deluxe stems decaleur.
> Berthoud GB 25 bag.
> VO Randonneur rack.
>
> On my 54 Ram now but still debating to sell them all and go
> rackless/Berthoud bagless in favor of no racks and just banana sax and
> bartube bags.
> VO rack weghs 220 or so grams
> GB 25 bag is 600+ grams empty.
> Decaleur is 30-sonething grams?
>
> Banana sax and bartube combo are way lighter than above combo.
> But for the function of easy bag access, bag with map holder, storage
> volume, stylish one piece fixed strut rack with great dyno light
> hangability, the VO/GB25/Decailer combo is great.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: 55cm Sam Hillborne Waterford Made

[Belopsky]

Great deal!

On Thursday, September 13, 2018 at 7:49:45 PM UTC-4, Karl wrote:
>
> I have a severe overlap in bikes, and I need to pair down a bit, so here 
> we go. 55cm Sam Hillborne with 57cm double top tube. Waterford made. Some 
> scratches but no dents or dings. Bosco bar, nitro stem and seat post, B17, 
> Sugino crank, Rich made LX wheel set and Deore rear derailer. Also will 
> include front rack, basket (don't try this at home), and fenders. I will 
> pack and ship via Bikeflights. $1300 plus actual shipping.
>
>
> Will sell Frame and Fork only for $1000 plus shipping. Pics at address 
> below. Thanks!
>
>
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B1253qWtHUe76P
>

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