[RBW] PSA: Rivendell Bicycle Works catalogs for sale on GRINGINEER

[Kim H.]

These is currently up for sale three different vintage Rivendell Bicycle 
Works catalogs on the Gringineer website:

https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-summer-1996-catalogue.html
https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-4.html
https://www.gringineer.com/rivendell-bicycle-works-catalogue-no-3.html

I have no interest in buying them. Maybe someone else would be interested.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

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[RBW] Atlas tubeless?

[Jay Lonner]

My Big Bens are nearing end of life and I’m curious about setting up my 
Hunq tubeless. But I have Atlas rims, which Velocity says is a no-go. 
However if you scroll through the comments on this article, John Watson 
from the Radavist says they set up nicely:

https://theradavist.com/rivendell-hunqapillar-review/

So why would I want to do this? Mostly to get experience working with 
tubeless setups. My full-squish MTB and gravel/bikepacking rig are 
tubeless, and if/when I encounter issues with either of them (esp. if I’m 
in a remote locale) I’d like to have some hands-on knowledge with 
troubleshooting tubeless systems. I already have an air compressor, so 
basically for the cost of some tape and sealant I’d be good to go.

Anybody have experience with making non-tubeless rims play nicely tubeless? 
Tips or tricks to share? Or is it just a bad idea, and should I resign 
myself to getting some new wheels built with Cliffhangers? I’d hate to have 
the Hunq out of commission that long, but if I timed it to coincide with 
out-of-town travel it probably wouldn’t be that big a deal.

One last question — Cliffhangers are wider than Atlases by about 4.6 mm. 
How would that affect fender clearance? My intuition is that wider rims 
should result in a flatter tire arc, and potentially make it possible to go 
slightly wider if I wanted to. I have 50s now, and would like to be able to 
move up to 55s or even 60s.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Diana H]

No worries. If somebody else decides a 10-15 mile ride I'll join for that. 
Just post a time and place!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:15 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back 
> into shape. 
>
> I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, 
> where was the ride you had planned?
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:
>
> I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. 
> Next time, though!
> --dan (Oakland)
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - 
>> https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 
>>
>> Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
>>> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>>>
>>> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
>>> anything up to ~30 miles.
>>>
>>> Diana
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
 somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
 wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 

 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>
>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
>> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>
> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman 
> called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>
> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly 
> good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he 
> never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went 
> under.
>
> Piaw
>

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[RBW] Stubby Sand Lot Hats

[Stephen]

Dang those sold out quick, bummed I missed it. I was looking out for these 
since Will mentioned they were getting them made. If anybody here got one 
and decides they dont like it I'd love to take it off your hands.

Thanks,

 Stephen

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Re: [RBW] FS: '80s Grant "Roads to Ride" books

[Joe Bernard]

All still available 

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:56:03 AM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> All yours, Vern! Hit me up at my email, I'm headed to work now, I'll get 
> back to you tonight for all the pay/shipping details. 
> ➡️ joeremi62 gmail com
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:32:52 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe I’ll take road to rides off your hands.
>>
>> Vern in San Francisco
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:30 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I have both, $50 shipped. 
>>> If you can find them cheaper (I'll get emails saying this), buy them 
>>> there! 
>>>
>>> I also have The 3 Bridgestone Catalogues in excellent condition, add $45 
>>> for that. I'll get pics of them if interested. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112702.jpg]
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112725.jpg]
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Steven Sweedler]

Beautiful bike, my favorite model in their best color. Enjoy. Steve

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 8:38 PM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> Well I love orange Riv's too.
>
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:30:48 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Johnny: I, too, love red Rivendells, but this one is orange. The light
>> did not cooperate today, I guess.
>>
>> Ryan: what I take to be a serial number is partially obscured by the
>> cable guide and by some touch-up paint. The visible portion appears to read
>> "9600," though the 9 and the terminal 0 may be different characters.
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> Congrats!! I love red Rivendells.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in
 the style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?

 If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it
 was built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or
 CG Curt Goodrich or others)

 Lovely bike!

 On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

> Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a
>> looker.
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last
>>> night.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>>
>>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE
>>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the
>>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle
>>> Center on Balboa.
>>>
>>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as
>>> an All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, 
>>> though it
>>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an
>>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but
>>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've 
>>> seen.
>>>
>>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on
>>> a photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me
>>> more?
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>>
>>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out
>>> to 56 mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks 
>>> this
>>> good but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try
>>> some RH Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm 
>>> narrower,
>>> so I expect some expansion.)
>>>
>>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I
>>> hadn't.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Matthew Williams]

Ooh! I love Three Bears! Unfortunately I am still recovering/getting back into 
shape. 

I like the idea of stopping along the way for food and drinks. Luke, where was 
the ride you had planned?


> On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:23 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:
> 
> I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. 
> Next time, though!
> --dan (Oakland)
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
>> Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - 
>> https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 
>> 
>> Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?
>> 
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>>> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
>>> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>>> 
>>> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
>>> anything up to ~30 miles.
>>> 
>>> Diana
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
 You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
 somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
 wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
 
 On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H > wrote:
>> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
>> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
>> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
> 
> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride 
> (https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South 
> (https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
> 
> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
> 
> Piaw
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Johnny Alien]

Well I love orange Riv's too.


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:30:48 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Johnny: I, too, love red Rivendells, but this one is orange. The light did 
> not cooperate today, I guess.
>
> Ryan: what I take to be a serial number is partially obscured by the cable 
> guide and by some touch-up paint. The visible portion appears to read 
> "9600," though the 9 and the terminal 0 may be different characters.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> Congrats!! I love red Rivendells.
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in the 
>>> style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?
>>>
>>> If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it 
>>> was built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or 
>>> CG Curt Goodrich or others)
>>>
>>> Lovely bike!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!

 On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
> looker. 
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last 
>> night.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>
>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the 
>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle 
>> Center on Balboa.
>>
>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've 
>> seen.
>>
>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on 
>> a photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me 
>> more?
>>
>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>
>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 
>> 56 mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this 
>> good but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try 
>> some RH Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm 
>> narrower, 
>> so I expect some expansion.)
>>
>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Brendan Willard]

I too have not done the bears in a while.  I’m likely only able to get out for a 10-15 miler in SF tomorrow.  I’ll have to see how the morning goes.  Thanks,-Brendan WillardOwner/WinemakerPhantômé Cellarsphantomecellars.com Speaking in Thumbs On Aug 4, 2023, at 3:25 PM, Dan Bluestein  wrote:I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. Next time, though!--dan (Oakland)On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for anything up to ~30 miles.DianaOn Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.Piaw




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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Bob]

Johnny: I, too, love red Rivendells, but this one is orange. The light did 
not cooperate today, I guess.

Ryan: what I take to be a serial number is partially obscured by the cable 
guide and by some touch-up paint. The visible portion appears to read 
"9600," though the 9 and the terminal 0 may be different characters.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:27:10 PM UTC-6 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Congrats!! I love red Rivendells.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in the 
>> style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?
>>
>> If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it 
>> was built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or 
>> CG Curt Goodrich or others)
>>
>> Lovely bike!
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>>
 I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
 looker. 

 On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last 
> night.
>
> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>
> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the 
> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle 
> Center on Balboa.
>
> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've 
> seen.
>
> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a 
> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me 
> more?
>
> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>
> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 
> 56 mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this 
> good but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try 
> some RH Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm 
> narrower, 
> so I expect some expansion.)
>
> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>
> --
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Wavie Bars

[Johnny Alien]

And very quickly found! Thanks!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 6:38:28 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Looking for some nitto wavie bars. I have a brand new albatross bar or 
> some great condition noodle bars if you want to trade OR I can trade you 
> for good old USD digital funds.

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Re: [RBW] NBD: showing off, and questions

[Matthew Williams]

Be still, my heart.


> On Aug 4, 2023, at 2:39 PM, Bob  wrote:
> 
> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last night.
> 
> 
> 
> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE group. 
> Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the thoughtful 
> and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle Center on Balboa.
> 
> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it may 
> be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but without 
> the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
> 
> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a photo, 
> ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me more?
> 
> 
> 
> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 56 mm 
> on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this good but 
> will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try some RH 
> Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, so I 
> expect some expansion.)
> 
> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
> 
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[RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[J J]

Thank you, @Brian Turner

@Ian, I rechecked the tire carefully for splits and structural damage. 
Nothing.

@Patrick Moore, tubes with 36 patches!?! I'm very impressed. That reminds 
me of the Ship of Theseus paradox: if a tube has so many patches, is it 
still the same tube, and if it is not, at what point (i.e., which number of 
patches), did it cease being the original tube and become something else? 
:) Didn't all that patching cause a lumpy ride? As far as tube sizes, I 
have historically been pretty lax about matching tube size with tire size, 
and I haven't had trouble over the years. Bigger and smaller, they worked 
ok. In this case, though, the tubes were in the right parameters for the 
tires, except for the last narrow one I used. All of the tubes were fresh 
and new, nothing old that could have deteriorated.

@John P in SF, I was going to ask how you prevent a tube from rotating on 
the rim until I saw that your solution was to go tubeless. Tubeless is a 
nonstarter for me at this point because I don't feel like buying yet 
another set of wheels. All of my wheels are tube only. Plus my inner tube 
habits die hard. Also, I wasn't doing any hard braking. The flats happened 
on level pavement at a moderate pace.

@Jim in Rochester NY, interesting that additional pressure solved your 
problem. I was running normal for me pressure, medium, like I always do.

@iamkeith, your idea of using the nuts inside and outside makes so much 
sense. I will try it. It's consistent with what Rich Lesnik suggested to me 
separately, that valve holes can be sharp and cut the tubes. He suggested 
that I check the tape near the hole. It's plausible in light of the fact 
that the tears were all in the same place on the various tubes. 

So I will try the two-nut method, attempt to file or sand sharp edges or 
burrs on the valve hole itself, and check the liner tape. 

I'll report back here. But first I need to restock my spare tube supply 
just in case!

Thanks so much to all of you (and to Rich!) for the feedback and help. I 
very much appreciate it. 


On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:08:05 PM UTC-4 iamkeith wrote:

> I began having this problem frequently, about 5 years ago.  Nothing else 
> about my skills or habits or rims changed from the previous four decades, 
> so I've concluded that there is likely a manufacturing issue.  
> Thinner/less/more brittle rubber at the base of the stem or something.  
> There have always been the occasional "slices" due to tube rotating around 
> the rim, or due to too-sharp edge at the valve stem hole on an aluminum 
> rim, but this is different, and happened like you describe, one tube after 
> another.  I could be wrong, but I don't think it's possible to fix them.
>
> Knowing that doesn't help solve your issue though.  Here's what I started 
> doing, and it's pretty much solved the issue for me:
>
> When you install a new tube, keep the knurled nut on the stem, snug it 
> lightly, and install the tube with the nut INSIDE of the rim.  Keep the nut 
> from the old tube, and intall on the outside of the rim, the normal way, 
> and snug firmly.  This will ensure that only the metal stem will ever 
> contact the sharp or abbrasive part of the hole in the rim, which is now 
> sandwiched between two nuts.
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-6 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> I had the same thing John P describes, tire rotating in rim, tugging the 
>> tube along, causing the valve to tilt then tear at the base.  I also had it 
>> happen twice in a day until I decided I was running the tires at too low a 
>> pressure.  Increasing PSI solved the problem.  
>>
>> Jim in Rochester NY
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:13:13 PM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:
>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>> If what is happening to you is what happened to me, your tire is 
>>> rotating on the rim. 
>>>
>>> This sometimes happened when I was using an undersized tube like Patrick 
>>> M. mentioned, but it happened a lot to me when using modern tires on older 
>>> rims, and less when using a tubeless compatible rim. Flats generally 
>>> occurred when riding somewhere that involved heavy braking, and occurred on 
>>> around three different bikes I have or have had. Like the one time I got a 
>>> front flat at this spot 
>>> .
>>>   
>>> I sometimes speculate that the rim heating up somehow aids with making the 
>>> tire rotate, which then tears the stem, but that is just a guess.
>>>
>>> Moving to a tubeless setup was the only cure I found.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:54:21 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>>
 Hi, I was inspired by Matthew's "Patch or Replace Tire" thread, but 
 didn't want to usurp it with my question/issue, so I'm starting a new one. 

 My tire went flat during a recent ride on my Hunq. Upon inspection I 
 saw that there was a tear near 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Johnny Alien]

Congrats!! I love red Rivendells.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 7:17:07 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in the 
> style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?
>
> If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it 
> was built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or 
> CG Curt Goodrich or others)
>
> Lovely bike!
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
>>> looker. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last 
 night.

 [image: IMG_9354.jpg]

 I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
 group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the 
 thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle 
 Center on Balboa.

 The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
 All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
 may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
 All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
 without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've 
 seen.

 Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a 
 photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me 
 more?

 [image: IMG_9355.jpg]

 Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 
 56 mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this 
 good but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try 
 some RH Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, 
 so I expect some expansion.)

 Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.

 --
 Bob

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Ryan]

It is an AR and I think you nailed it when you said it's a custom in the 
style of an AR. What's stamped on the bottom bracket?

If you search the list you can find tips for decoding year and month it was 
built, but it should have builders initials (Match or JS-Joe Starck or CG 
Curt Goodrich or others)

Lovely bike!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:56:31 PM UTC-5 ride2almo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
>> looker. 
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last 
>>> night.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>>
>>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE 
>>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the 
>>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle 
>>> Center on Balboa.
>>>
>>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
>>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
>>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
>>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
>>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>>
>>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a 
>>> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me more?
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>>
>>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 56 
>>> mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this good 
>>> but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try some RH 
>>> Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, so I 
>>> expect some expansion.)
>>>
>>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

[jaredwilson]

Thanks for the endorsement, Eric, great looking ride!

They are really groovy machines, it just doesn't fit into our lives at the 
moment.

jared

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:33:00 PM UTC-7 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:

> If you're on the fence I can attest that these are a blast to ride. My 
> wife and I have been steadily putting on the miles after buying Laing's 
> small HH late last year.
>
> [image: image.png]
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:13 PM jaredwilson  wrote:
>
>> Still available!
>>
>> Can deliver to LA region Sunday-Monday or SF Bay Area anytime.
>>
>> Shoot me a message off list and let's chat :)
>>
>> jared
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 12:32:03 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:
>>
>>> Fielded some interest at the $3,000 number, yet still no takers so let's 
>>> try for a bump.
>>>
>>> Another trip to LA planned for Sunday-Monday if someone in SoCal wants 
>>> to step up.
>>>
>>> Thanks :)
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 Okay, lets try $3,000!

 On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 3:21:05 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> Thanks, Bill!
>
> As far as I'm concerned these are the best tandems available today, or 
> any day for that matter, glad to hear you enjoy yours so much.
>
> I was really hopeful someone would grab it before the weekend, but 
> that ship has sailed. Still available for delivery to the Bay Area!
>
> Someone send me a message and let's talk numbers, this is a smokin' 
> deal compared to what it would cost to build one up.
>
> -Jared, who is tired of hitting his head on this bike as it hangs from 
> the rafters, in Central CA.
>
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:01:29 PM UTC-7 Bill Rhea wrote:
>
>> Jared, I'm feeling your pain at letting this beautiful tandem go!  I 
>> have an orange size M HHH also, and I really hope to never have to sell 
>> it 
>> because Leslie really enjoys our little outings on it.  I also had an 
>> Ibis 
>> Cousin IT for years but this one rides better, IMO.
>>
>> I hope one of y'all reading will get off the fence and pull the 
>> trigger on this screaming deal already (yeah, you know who you are)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -br
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Bump, let's make a deal before the weekend!
>>>
>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:41:06 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>>
 New price, *$3200 OBO.*

 Can deliver to LA area next weekend (26th-29th) or Bay Area 
 whenever.

 Don't be shy, lets find this amazing tandem a new home just in time 
 for summer :)

 On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:30:24 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:

> And another bump, feel free to make an offer!
>
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:59:36 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>
>> *BUMP*
>>
>>
>> *$3,500*
>> On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Still have the HHH, let's find it a new home!
>>>
>>>
>>> *$3,600 picked up in Central California*
>>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:41:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>>
 *Price drop!*


 *$3,800 delivered to RBW garage sale :)*
 On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> Weekend bump!
>
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:26 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>
>> Hey group,
>>
>> This one hurts, just got it put together but with a pending 
>> upcoming move we won't be able to house this amazing bicycle.
>>
>> I'd say theres about 2 miles from riding around on our farm 
>> getting it dialed in, hasn't been out on the street yet.
>>
>> Specs:
>>
>> Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Orange
>> Stock Headset
>> Stock Seatpost
>> Bushnell Eccentric BB in front, (2) Shimano Cartridge BBs
>> Silver 173mm Tandem Cranks
>> MKS XC-III Pedals
>> Skeleton Key Front Derailleur
>> Shimano XT Friction Front Shifter
>> Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur
>> Silver Rear Friction Shifter
>> Hands On Wheels built 27.5" Velocity Cliffhangers
>> Kasai 36H Dynamo Front Hub
>> Velocity 40H Rear Tandem Hub
>> Maxxis Ikon 27.5"x2.2" Tires, Tubeless
>> Shimano 11-36? 9 Speed Cassette
>> Rivendell Tosco 65cm Captain Handlebars
>> Ritchey C220 90mm Stem
>> Nitto Bosco 55cm Stoker Handlebars
>> ControlTech Adjustable Stoker Stem
>> WTB Pure V 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Ian]

Nice looking bike, that should open lots of riding opportunities!

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 6:37 PM Josh C  wrote:

> I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a
> looker.
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last night.
>>
>> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>>
>> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE
>> group. Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the
>> thoughtful and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle
>> Center on Balboa.
>>
>> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an
>> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it
>> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an
>> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but
>> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>>
>> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a
>> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me more?
>>
>> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>>
>> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 56
>> mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this good
>> but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try some RH
>> Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, so I
>> expect some expansion.)
>>
>> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Nitto Wavie Bars

[Johnny Alien]

Looking for some nitto wavie bars. I have a brand new albatross bar or some 
great condition noodle bars if you want to trade OR I can trade you for 
good old USD digital funds.

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[RBW] Re: NBD: showing off, and questions

[Josh C]

I don't have any answers for you but congrats on the new bike, it's a 
looker. 

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:39:24 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> In fact Tuesday was NBD, but I didn't receive the saddle until last night.
>
> [image: IMG_9354.jpg]
>
> I bought this bike through the FB Rivendell Bicycles BUY/SELL/TRADE group. 
> Shipped from San Francisco to Colorado by Bike Flights, with the thoughtful 
> and friendly help of Jay at Scenic Routes Community Bicycle Center on 
> Balboa.
>
> The seller, who is a group member here, too, described the bike as an 
> All-Rounder, and for the most part that's what it seems to be, though it 
> may be more accurate to say it is a custom in the style of an 
> All-Rounder—cantilever brakes, clearance for 2" tires, 26" wheels—but 
> without the bosses or eyelets for a front rack present on the ARs I've seen.
>
> Here is the headtube. I've only seen these understated lug points on a 
> photo, ca. 2007, of a custom Riv touring bike. Can anyone here tell me more?
>
> [image: IMG_9355.jpg]
>
> Clearance is a little tight for the Gravel King SK+, which pop out to 56 
> mm on the Cliffhanger rim. Can anyone suggest a tire that looks this good 
> but will only be, say, 53 mm on the Cliffhanger? (I'm going to try some RH 
> Humptulips Endurance, which are 52 mm, but on a rim 4 mm narrower, so I 
> expect some expansion.)
>
> Nice to have a Riv again. I sold my Homer in 2017 and I wish I hadn't.
>
> --
> Bob
>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Dan Bluestein]

I haven't ridden 3 Bears in a while -- if only I wasn't away this weekend. 
Next time, though!
--dan (Oakland)
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:03:23 AM UTC-7 diana@gmail.com wrote:

> Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? - 
> https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 
>
> Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:
>
>> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
>> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>>
>> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
>> anything up to ~30 miles.
>>
>> Diana
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
>>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
>>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:

> First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
> area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
> recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 

 I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
 https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
 https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman 
 called Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.

 The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly 
 good and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he 
 never saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went 
 under.

 Piaw

>>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: EVERYTHING! Lots of parts and tools

[D D]

Hi, AaronCongrats on the sale of the century!   If you have any of the following left, I’ll take it!Nitto Technomic 26x70 150mm min insert Downtube boss covers and barrel adjustersThanksD in VAOn Jul 28, 2023, at 2:27 PM, twowheeledtexan  wrote:I'm moving and clearing out a bunch of stuff I've been hoarding. Prices are shipped, PP or Venmo, you pay the fees or friends and family. Discounts for multiple things, the more you buy the better so I don't have to ship multiple little things. If you don't like the price just make a reasonable offer. The pics should go along with the list hopefully. I'm in NW Indiana an hour from Chicago if you really wanted to come pick something up. I'll also be listing a few bikes soon. Please just message or email me instead of crowding the forum with responses.https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1--2QXscjKipzaGsGAcK8fKL8KamllTMS?usp=drive_linkBike parts listed in
general from top left of picture down to bottom right. Everything is used and in good
condition unless otherwise mentioned or New In Box.

 

Threaded stems:

Nitto forged Tallux I
believe 25.4x110 150mm min insertion $60

Nitto Technomic 26x100
150mm min insert $40

Technomic 26x70x 150mm $40

Technomic 26x50x 150 $40

Discord Fingerling 70mm
and 50mm x 31.8 $120

Discord Wright 30mmx31.8
$120

Velo Orange 80x31.8x 150mm
$30

 

Threadless stems:

Velo Orange 25.4x100 $25

VO 25.4x90 $25

VO 25.4x80 $25

Soma 25.4x100 $20

Soma 26x100 $20

IRD 26x80 $25

Silver unmarked 26x100 $5
or free with any other purchase

Nitto UI85EX 26x60 $80

Dimension 31.8x100 $5 or
free with any other purchase

FSA 31.8x90 $10

 

Brake levers:

Shimano BL-R550 2 sets black
and 3 sets silver $30 a set

Sunrace no markings on
them but I believe they’re the V brake model that Riv used to sell $30

Shimano BL-R780 black V brake
NIB $30

Dia Compe short pull $10

TRP RRL Black $60

TRP RRL Gum $80

Gevenalle GX 10 spd Shimano
mtn short/long pull compatible $120

Gevenalle/Retroshift 9spd
Shimano short pull $110

Cane Creek v brake $20

 

Brakes:

Paul Comp Motolites 3 sets
$180 a pair. One set does not have a barrel adjuster on the noodle, I’ll take
$150 for that set.

Avid, vintage I think? $80


Paul Racer $180

Avid shorty ultimates $50

Paul touring canti $140

Avid BB7 road 2 sets $20
each

Tektro R539 med reach $50

Tektro R559 long reach $50

 

Brake pads: All sets $5 each or free
with another purchase

Hayes MX-5 

Sram Elixir

Shimano JO2A

Avid BB7

Shimano inserts

Kool Stop pads from Riv

 

Shifters:

Silver Thumbies and mounts
$100 NIB

Silver downtube $40

Shimano 9 spd $20

Ene Ciclo/Dia Compe 11spd
downtube set $60

Paul thumbies mounts 2
sets 22.2 $60 set

Suntour  vintage thumbies $20

Shimano bar end pods 2
sets, one set without washers but I’ll give you the dt washers shown next to
them and you can file off the tabs if you want. $20

Microshift 9spd on mounts
$30

Shimano SL-M780 3x10, 2
sets, one has indicators $40

Free with any purchase DT
boss covers and DT barrel adjusters

 

Derailleurs:

Deore RD-M591 9 spd silver
$30

Deore RD-M591 9 spd black
$30

Deore RD-T610 10spd $30

XT RD-M786 10 spd w/clutch
$40

XT RD-M772 10 spd $40

Microshift Advent X w/clutch
$50

Deore FD-T610 $20

CX-70 Direct mount on
clamp $20

CX-70 Clamp $20

Claris FD-2400 clamp $20

IRD Alpina-F triple,
direct mount on clamp $30

 

Handlebars:

VO crazy bars $80

VO Klunker $50

Bosco heat treated
aluminum 2 sets 1 new 25.4x58 $100, $80 used

Losco HTA 25.4x54 $80

Billie bar HTA 2 sets
25.4x58 $80

Albatross steel 2 sets
25.4x 55 $60

 

Crust towel rack 660x26
$100

Crust towel rack 600x26
$100

Nitto M-137 dirt drop
31.8x52 $80

Soma portola 26x56 $30

Nitto noodles M177 46x26
$40

Spank flare 52x31.8 $100

Jones bars 2 sets $50

Vintage bullmoose bars
700mm across $40

 

Seatposts:

Whiskey No. 7 carbon 31.6x400
$40

Ritchey comp 27.2x400 $20

Kalloy uno 26.8x350 $10

Nitto dynamic 27.2x300 $60

Silver unmarked prob Kalloy
27.2x250 $10 

 

Racks:

Nitto M-18 2 sets $80

Nitto Mark’s rack w/long
stays $100

Nitto M-12 2 sets brake
post mount $80

Nitto like RBW 51 $100

Nitto big front $110

Caradice bag support $20

Ron’s pec deck in box $30

 

Saddles:

Brooks B17 good condition
black $100

Brooks B17 more broken in
black $80

B17 special green $90

Pro black $100

Very vintage pro $40

B17S brown $100

C17 black $80

 

Baskets:

One big one, probably like
the clem basket, no struts and it’s a little beat and smooshed but works fine.
$15

Wald medium $15

 

Cassettes:

Sunrace 11-42 10 spd $15

Shimano CS-HG2109 11-36 9
spd $10

Shimano HG 8110 11-36 10
spd $10

Microshift Advent X 11-48
10spd $25

Shimano HG8090 11-34 9 spd
$10

Shimano CS5700 11-28 10spd
$10

Shimano HG2019 11-36 9 spd
NIB $30

Shimano CS6700 11-28 10spd
NIB $30

 

Cranks:

Sugino XD2 triple 170mm 3
sets, $40 each

Sugino XD2 double 172.5mm
$40

Ultegra FC6800 11 spd
50x34 175mm $80

White Ind Eno 170mm 44T
$150

Riv Silver triple w bash
guard 170mm 34T 

Re: [RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[J S]

Garth, looks really nice. Are they made in Taiwan? Enjoy

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 4:09 PM Garth  wrote:

> I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are
> discounted 20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike
> heaven, Yippee !
>
> I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I
> love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm
> all in on going back to pure road bikes.
>
> https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Complete

[jaredwilson]

Still available!

Can deliver to LA region Sunday-Monday or SF Bay Area anytime.

Shoot me a message off list and let's chat :)

jared

On Wednesday, June 7, 2023 at 12:32:03 PM UTC-7 jaredwilson wrote:

> Fielded some interest at the $3,000 number, yet still no takers so let's 
> try for a bump.
>
> Another trip to LA planned for Sunday-Monday if someone in SoCal wants to 
> step up.
>
> Thanks :)
>
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 10:41:46 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> Okay, lets try $3,000!
>>
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 3:21:05 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Bill!
>>>
>>> As far as I'm concerned these are the best tandems available today, or 
>>> any day for that matter, glad to hear you enjoy yours so much.
>>>
>>> I was really hopeful someone would grab it before the weekend, but that 
>>> ship has sailed. Still available for delivery to the Bay Area!
>>>
>>> Someone send me a message and let's talk numbers, this is a smokin' deal 
>>> compared to what it would cost to build one up.
>>>
>>> -Jared, who is tired of hitting his head on this bike as it hangs from 
>>> the rafters, in Central CA.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:01:29 PM UTC-7 Bill Rhea wrote:
>>>
 Jared, I'm feeling your pain at letting this beautiful tandem go!  I 
 have an orange size M HHH also, and I really hope to never have to sell it 
 because Leslie really enjoys our little outings on it.  I also had an Ibis 
 Cousin IT for years but this one rides better, IMO.

 I hope one of y'all reading will get off the fence and pull the trigger 
 on this screaming deal already (yeah, you know who you are)

 Cheers,

 -br

 On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 3:11:19 PM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Bump, let's make a deal before the weekend!
>
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:41:06 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>
>> New price, *$3200 OBO.*
>>
>> Can deliver to LA area next weekend (26th-29th) or Bay Area whenever.
>>
>> Don't be shy, lets find this amazing tandem a new home just in time 
>> for summer :)
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 4:30:24 PM UTC-7 Jared Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> And another bump, feel free to make an offer!
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:59:36 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>>>
 *BUMP*


 *$3,500*
 On Tuesday, April 18, 2023 at 7:40:03 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:

> Still have the HHH, let's find it a new home!
>
>
> *$3,600 picked up in Central California*
> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:41:34 PM UTC-7 JW wrote:
>
>> *Price drop!*
>>
>>
>> *$3,800 delivered to RBW garage sale :)*
>> On Saturday, March 11, 2023 at 5:50:16 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>
>>> Weekend bump!
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 3:42:26 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:
>>>
 Hey group,

 This one hurts, just got it put together but with a pending 
 upcoming move we won't be able to house this amazing bicycle.

 I'd say theres about 2 miles from riding around on our farm 
 getting it dialed in, hasn't been out on the street yet.

 Specs:

 Rivendell HubbuHubbuH, Medium, Orange
 Stock Headset
 Stock Seatpost
 Bushnell Eccentric BB in front, (2) Shimano Cartridge BBs
 Silver 173mm Tandem Cranks
 MKS XC-III Pedals
 Skeleton Key Front Derailleur
 Shimano XT Friction Front Shifter
 Shimano Altus Rear Derailleur
 Silver Rear Friction Shifter
 Hands On Wheels built 27.5" Velocity Cliffhangers
 Kasai 36H Dynamo Front Hub
 Velocity 40H Rear Tandem Hub
 Maxxis Ikon 27.5"x2.2" Tires, Tubeless
 Shimano 11-36? 9 Speed Cassette
 Rivendell Tosco 65cm Captain Handlebars
 Ritchey C220 90mm Stem
 Nitto Bosco 55cm Stoker Handlebars
 ControlTech Adjustable Stoker Stem
 WTB Pure V Captain Saddle
 Brooks B17 Stoker Saddle
 Tektro CL740 Brake Levers
 Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-Brakes

 Local pickup only, not willing to ship this one. I *can* however 
 deliver to the Rivendell Garage Sale next weekend on 3/18/23.

 Asking $4,000.

 Please respond off list and let's find this beauty a nice warm 
 home!

 Thanks :)

 Jared in SLO, CA

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[RBW] Re: ISO Roadini...or?

[Garth]

I pre-ordered the VO Rando today. Through the 6th the frames are discounted 
20% for pre-orders.  I hadn't even been aware of them. Road bike heaven, 
Yippee ! 

I finally got the drop bars on my Franklin and I had forgotten how much I 
love riding them, so I'm going the exact opposite of what Riv is doing, I'm 
all in on going back to pure road bikes. 

https://velo-orange.com/products/rando-frameset


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[RBW] Re: FS: RH Barlow Pass Tires, Cork Grips, VO Rack, Rapha Jacket

[Jason]

Update: the VO rack is sold and on the way to it's new home. What's left is 
below with updated pricing. I'm sincerely doubtful that I'll see an offer 
on the Rapha jacket from the Riv list in mid-summer, but maybe I'll be 
surprised? Thanks for looking!


   - *Rivendell Cork Grips - $25 (pair)** + shipping*
  - (2) new grips
  - Machined for bar end shifters
  - Photos 
  

   

   - * Rapha Classic Winter Jacket -*  *$170** + shipping*
  - New with original tags
  - Size - medium
  - Color - black
  - Photos 
  

   

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 2:20:57 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:

> Hi all - the RH tires are sold. The grips and rack are still up for sale 
> -- as is the jacket, though I suppose Rapha is an outlier brand amongst the 
> others, ha.
>
> Jason
> Oak Park, Illinois
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 3:02:18 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a few items sitting around that may be of interest to the group.
>>
>>
>>- *Rene Herse Barlow Pass Tires, Endurance Casing - $100 (pair) + 
>>shipping*
>>   - (1) new in packaging
>>   - (1) used for roughly 1,500 miles, mostly on pavement
>>   - Loved these tires, but the fenders on my sidepull Sam don't give 
>>   quite enough clearance for comfort. So I've moved onto 35s
>>   - Prefer to sell as a pair for now
>>   - Photos 
>>   
>> 
>>
>>
>>- *Rivendell Cork Grips - $30 (pair)** + shipping*
>>   - (2) new grips
>>   - Machined for bar end shifters
>>   - Photos 
>>   
>> 
>>
>>
>>- *Velo Orange Porteur Rear Rack - $100** + shipping*
>>   - Slight signs of wear from light use with Swift panniers
>>   - Photos 
>>   
>> 
>>
>>
>>- *Rapha Classic Winter Jacket - $180** + shipping*
>>   - New with original tags
>>   - Size - medium
>>   - Color - black
>>   - Photos 
>>   
>> 
>>
>>
>> Prices indicated are net to me. I'll accept payments via Paypal and will 
>> ship through Pirateship for the best rates from 60304.
>>
>>
>> Jason
>> Oak Park, Illinois
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: '80s Grant "Roads to Ride" books

[Joe Bernard]

All yours, Vern! Hit me up at my email, I'm headed to work now, I'll get 
back to you tonight for all the pay/shipping details. 
➡️ joeremi62 gmail com
On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:32:52 AM UTC-7 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Joe I’ll take road to rides off your hands.
>
> Vern in San Francisco
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:30 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> I have both, $50 shipped. 
>> If you can find them cheaper (I'll get emails saying this), buy them 
>> there! 
>>
>> I also have The 3 Bridgestone Catalogues in excellent condition, add $45 
>> for that. I'll get pics of them if interested. 
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>
>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112702.jpg]
>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112725.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] FS: '80s Grant "Roads to Ride" books

[Eric Marth]

That's a deal for the Bridgestone catalogs! 

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:33:35 PM UTC-4 plumber...@gmail.com wrote:

> Roads to ride*
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:32 AM vernon brooks  
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Joe I’ll take road to rides off your hands.
>>
>> Vern in San Francisco
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:30 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> I have both, $50 shipped. 
>>> If you can find them cheaper (I'll get emails saying this), buy them 
>>> there! 
>>>
>>> I also have The 3 Bridgestone Catalogues in excellent condition, add $45 
>>> for that. I'll get pics of them if interested. 
>>>
>>> Thanks, 
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> joeremi62 gmail com
>>>
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112702.jpg]
>>> [image: Screenshot_20230804_112725.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,

As a grandfather of three - two now grown - this was fun to read. I am sure 
the little girl caught your enthusiasm. When I can, I slow down and call 
out, "Nice bike!" to very young riders I encounter on our local trail. We 
are all ambassadors.

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I really do have the sweetest, cutest story from the Tuesday night women’s 
> ride. 
>
> We had a small group of 7 riders that night. We were several miles in when 
> suddenly from behind, I heard two unfamiliar voices, one belonging to a 
> child, and one belonging to a man. I looked back and was astounded - there 
> at the end of our peloton was an 8 year old girl on a tiny blue Trek bike, 
> wearing her matching blue helmet, blonde hair flying and huge grin on full 
> display. I looked at her father, helmetless and riding his own bike. He 
> wore a look half proud and half sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s been 
> watching you go by every week,” he said. “And she’s been wanting to ride 
> with you; she said, ‘Daddy, Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ And she 
> got ready so she could join you tonight.” I looked at my speedometer…we 
> were riding at over 17 mph. She moved up behind me and another woman fell 
> in behind her. 
>
> “Ok, honey, you listen for when I call out things like stick or hole, ok?” 
>
> “Ok!” she said, flashing a Cheshire Cat grin. And we pedaled on, flying 
> over country roads with our tiny companion and her daddy. She stayed with 
> us for a few miles and then they peeled off after the second set of 
> railroad tracks. I wish I had gotten a photo, but maybe next week we’ll see 
> her again and I’ll get my chance.
>
> I’m sure we were in violation of like 30 club rules but Michigan doesn’t 
> scold you for things like these. Braelyn and her little Trek, legs flying 
> and hair streaming…I doubt we will ever see anything better than her on the 
> Tuesday Night Ride.
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Delicious!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing 
>>> it wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had 
>>> this bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so I 
>>> don’t think my bike is the problem.”  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Ron’s Ortho Bars are back in stock

[Brent Knepper]

thanks Eliot, you managed to post this 16 min before I got the restock 
email from crust! impressive :)

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> You are welcome. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Piaw Na]

When I lived in Munich I'd go for rides every weekend and it was always so 
good. Having a train to take you home meant you could range further and get 
into bigger trouble. One day I rode through a forest and climbed a ladder 
onto what was obviously a road. I rode on it and everyone honked at me. I 
said to myself: "These Germans are really friendly." 10km later I realized 
I was on the autobahn. (I actually kept track of those 
trips: https://blog.piaw.net/2008/12/munich-trips-index.html)

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 9:09:14 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website 
> . For the 
> most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are 
> taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We 
> brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides 
> here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks 
> for reading!
>
> -Kyle
>

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[RBW] PSA: Ron’s Ortho Bars are back in stock

[Eliot B]

You are welcome. 

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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[D D]

Kyle, Good looking site. Thanks for sharing DustinOn Aug 4, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Kyle Cotchett  wrote:Hey all!I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website. For the most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks for reading!-Kyle



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[RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Kyle Cotchett]

Hey all!

I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website 
. For the 
most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I are 
taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. We 
brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides 
here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks 
for reading!

-Kyle

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[RBW] Re: tube tear at valve stem base — any ideas why and how to fix?

[iamkeith]

I began having this problem frequently, about 5 years ago.  Nothing else 
about my skills or habits or rims changed from the previous four decades, 
so I've concluded that there is likely a manufacturing issue.  
Thinner/less/more brittle rubber at the base of the stem or something.  
There have always been the occasional "slices" due to tube rotating around 
the rim, or due to too-sharp edge at the valve stem hole on an aluminum 
rim, but this is different, and happened like you describe, one tube after 
another.  I could be wrong, but I don't think it's possible to fix them.

Knowing that doesn't help solve your issue though.  Here's what I started 
doing, and it's pretty much solved the issue for me:

When you install a new tube, keep the knurled nut on the stem, snug it 
lightly, and install the tube with the nut INSIDE of the rim.  Keep the nut 
from the old tube, and intall on the outside of the rim, the normal way, 
and snug firmly.  This will ensure that only the metal stem will ever 
contact the sharp or abbrasive part of the hole in the rim, which is now 
sandwiched between two nuts.
On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 3:03:27 PM UTC-6 Jim Whorton wrote:

> I had the same thing John P describes, tire rotating in rim, tugging the 
> tube along, causing the valve to tilt then tear at the base.  I also had it 
> happen twice in a day until I decided I was running the tires at too low a 
> pressure.  Increasing PSI solved the problem.  
>
> Jim in Rochester NY
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 4:13:13 PM UTC-4 John P. in SF wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> If what is happening to you is what happened to me, your tire is rotating 
>> on the rim. 
>>
>> This sometimes happened when I was using an undersized tube like Patrick 
>> M. mentioned, but it happened a lot to me when using modern tires on older 
>> rims, and less when using a tubeless compatible rim. Flats generally 
>> occurred when riding somewhere that involved heavy braking, and occurred on 
>> around three different bikes I have or have had. Like the one time I got a 
>> front flat at this spot 
>> .
>>   
>> I sometimes speculate that the rim heating up somehow aids with making the 
>> tire rotate, which then tears the stem, but that is just a guess.
>>
>> Moving to a tubeless setup was the only cure I found.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:54:21 AM UTC-7 J J wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, I was inspired by Matthew's "Patch or Replace Tire" thread, but 
>>> didn't want to usurp it with my question/issue, so I'm starting a new one. 
>>>
>>> My tire went flat during a recent ride on my Hunq. Upon inspection I saw 
>>> that there was a tear near where the valve stem attaches to the inner tube. 
>>> No biggie. I replaced the tube with a spare, got back to riding, but within 
>>> 15 minutes, another flat. Same tear in the same location. I replaced the 
>>> tube with yet another spare. This was starting to feel weird. The same 
>>> thing happened within a few more miles, another tube gone. 
>>>
>>> I had no more spare tubes, but a buddy gave me one that is specced for 
>>> narrower tires. I managed to get back home without incident.
>>>
>>> The attached pic shows where the tear occurred in each instance.
>>>
>>> But three flats on a single ride! I replaced the tubes the way I always 
>>> do. Nothing dramatic about it. I used a pump to inflate two, and a C02 
>>> cartridge to inflate another. I snugged the valve nut like I always do, not 
>>> too tight, not too loose. I handled the valve stem carefully, no jerking or 
>>> bending it. The air pressure was about medium, not too high, not too low. 
>>>
>>> I used three different types of tubes, one a Schwalbe, another was a 
>>> no-name, and the other was a Teravail. I inspected the 50mm Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon tire carefully and found nothing of concern, no glass, screws, 
>>> metal, shards, etc. The Lesnik-built wheel itself had run fine for many, 
>>> many miles with no issues, no flats, nothing, and is in excellent 
>>> condition. I had been riding on smooth pavement when the flats occurred, 
>>> and there was nothing remarkable on the road.
>>>
>>> But suddenly, on that day, all inner tube hell broke loose. I'm stumped. 
>>> I don't know what to do differently so I've been thinking about the saying 
>>> (misattributed to Einstein): "Insanity is doing the same thing over and 
>>> over again and expecting different results."
>>>
>>> I'd be grateful for any ideas you might have or experiences you can 
>>> share. 
>>>
>>> Thanks!!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_8384.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] San Francisco/Bay Area Riv Riders

[Diana H]

Anybody want to do this ride tomorrow? 
- https://bayareabikerides.net/the-three-bears/ 

Was thinking the intermediate loop 28.5 miles? Start at 9:30 am?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:11:26 AM UTC-7 Diana H wrote:

> I'm in Lower Haight area. Happy to jump on the Bart to meet folks. I'm 
> riding my Platypus and happy for road and/or a little gravel. 
>
> Saturday might be toasty so I vote for a morning start. I'm game for 
> anything up to ~30 miles.
>
> Diana
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 11:02:54 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> You can even buy them from me! If I can find them, they're around here 
>> somewhere. I don't live in the area anymore so don't need them, if anybody 
>> wants to pay some kinda cash gimme a holler. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 8:04:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 5:13 PM Diana H  wrote:
>>>
 First time posting! I would love to meet fellow Riv riders in the Bay 
 area. Is anybody available this Saturday 8/5? I moved to the Bay area 
 recently and don't know many places to ride yet, so open to ideas! 
>>>
>>> I highly recommend you get yourself a copy of Roads to Ride (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YjHJAl), and  Roads to Ride South (
>>> https://amzn.to/3YkOlyM). They're both written by this gentleman called 
>>> Grant Petersen. You might have heard of him.
>>>
>>> The books were written in the 1980s/1990s, but they're still mostly good 
>>> and highly recommended. It's OK to buy them used. Grant told me he never 
>>> saw any royalties from the books before the publishing company went under.
>>>
>>> Piaw
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: new member/delta quill stem risers

[Johnny Alien]

Yes, the original item linked is not a conversion stem its's an extension 
for quill stems. I have never used one so can't speak on how well they work 
or the safety of doing such a thing.

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 11:33:23 AM UTC-4 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wesley, those are def a great option for threadless conversion, but what 
> intrigues me about the one I bought is that you can jam a quill stem into 
> it. 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:29 AM Wesley  wrote:
>
>> I probably should not blow up my own spot like this (I use two of these 
>> on my bikes and may soon need a third, I love them). But this from Soma 
>> Fabrications is 1) brand new, 2) the same price, and 3) a much higher rise.
>>
>>
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/soma-high-rider-xl-quill-28-6-22-2-290mm-4984#attr=2406
>>
>> These are the only risers that can make a typical "large" (usually about 
>> 60cm) bike from yesteryear comfortable for me. I love them, but keep in 
>> mind that they are machined rather than forged and heat treated like a 
>> Nitto product, so probably don't use one on a mountain bike that will see 
>> rough trail use.
>> -Wes
>>
>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> hi all! i have posted a couple times but never really introduced myself. 
>>> I am Chasen, I live in NYC, and I've got a roadini and a gus, both orange, 
>>> with an atlantis in the mail from c & l. i also have a 650b'd rb 2 that i 
>>> cant place a year on,  a 1990 stumpjumper w a Clydesdale fork, and a junker 
>>> old huffy mtb thing that i conduct stupid experiments on. 
>>>
>>> These convos are such a great resource for young and dumb wannabe bike 
>>> mechanics like myself, and you all seem much less grumpy than the folks 
>>> over on reddit. For these things, I thank you all.
>>>
>>> *alright, heres the important part of this post:*
>>>
>>> What have the groups experiences been with delta quill stem risers of 
>>> yore? 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305021101084
>>>
>>> I became aware of them through this article on the riv site:
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/nitto-stem-comparison
>>> I found one cheap on ebay and its on the way to me now. Just wondering 
>>> what everyone thinks of these! I am pretty excited to try it just for the 
>>> novelty of it, though im sure theres a reason they're not readily available 
>>> anymore. If anyone has pics of one in use, please share!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Stephen]

huzzah!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 10:12:15 AM UTC-4 ride2almo...@gmail.com wrote:

> What a great outcome 
>
> On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank errand, 
>> no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out. 
>>
>> Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand 
>> Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it! 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>
 Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it 
 worked out!

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:

> I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as 
> easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to the 
> elongated hole.
>
> Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful of 
> times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with the 
> Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, but 
> I 
> found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, and 
> I 
> don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal 
> that 
> I experienced with the Park tool.
>
> -Danny
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a more 
>> robust solution, I agree. 
>>
>> Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset 
>> presses they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need one 
>> but... they seemed awesome. 
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool!  The heavy steel 
>>> one, avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home mechanic 
>>> of 
>>> fine steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers.  I use it every 
>>> time the derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having any 
>>> stubborn shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because the 
>>> alignment was out slightly. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do with 
 bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention to 
 downplay 
 the unfortunate accident!).  I like the final post about a Helicoil or 
 dropout saver recommendation.  My own preference would likely be the 
 Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter threads in 
 order to 
 install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the damaged 
 hanger 
 better.  Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. website, I'm 
 not 
 sure how well that would work in this case.

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool in 
> the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman recommended 
> installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to 
> repair the 
> bolt hole. 
>
> I'm open to trying either of those fixes as well. 
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the replies, everyone. 
>>
>> A few asked about the chain jumping/skipping/slipping. When the 
>> chain is under load it slips or clunks repeatedly. It's kind of like 
>> when 
>> you're in the wrong gear and you need to trim the gear to get it 
>> right. But 
>> no amount of trimming is fixing the issue. 
>>
>> I've tried three different derailers, same problem. The cassette 
>> was new in summer of 2022 and I haven't ridden in the three big 
>> gears 
>> enough to wear out the teeth of the cogs. It's an S-Ride 7s from 
>> Rivendell, 
>> it's an 11-32. The crank is the same age, installed last summer. 
>> SunXCD 
>> crank with TA Specialites rings, 42/26. I don't see any issues with 
>> the 
>> wheel (it's running true) or with worn cassette or chainring teeth. 
>> Also no 
>> play in the freehub body. 
>>
>> The elongated hole: It could be the derailer is flexing in the 
>> hole, hard to determine this off the bike. Derailer seems seated 
>> when I try 
>> to move it around in my hand, doesn't wobble. 
>>
>> I have *not yet* tried installing a 

Re: [RBW] Re: new member/delta quill stem risers

[Chasen Smith]

Wesley, those are def a great option for threadless conversion, but what
intrigues me about the one I bought is that you can jam a quill stem into
it.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 11:29 AM Wesley  wrote:

> I probably should not blow up my own spot like this (I use two of these on
> my bikes and may soon need a third, I love them). But this from Soma
> Fabrications is 1) brand new, 2) the same price, and 3) a much higher rise.
>
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/soma-high-rider-xl-quill-28-6-22-2-290mm-4984#attr=2406
>
> These are the only risers that can make a typical "large" (usually about
> 60cm) bike from yesteryear comfortable for me. I love them, but keep in
> mind that they are machined rather than forged and heat treated like a
> Nitto product, so probably don't use one on a mountain bike that will see
> rough trail use.
> -Wes
>
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> hi all! i have posted a couple times but never really introduced myself.
>> I am Chasen, I live in NYC, and I've got a roadini and a gus, both orange,
>> with an atlantis in the mail from c & l. i also have a 650b'd rb 2 that i
>> cant place a year on,  a 1990 stumpjumper w a Clydesdale fork, and a junker
>> old huffy mtb thing that i conduct stupid experiments on.
>>
>> These convos are such a great resource for young and dumb wannabe bike
>> mechanics like myself, and you all seem much less grumpy than the folks
>> over on reddit. For these things, I thank you all.
>>
>> *alright, heres the important part of this post:*
>>
>> What have the groups experiences been with delta quill stem risers of
>> yore?
>>
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305021101084
>>
>> I became aware of them through this article on the riv site:
>> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/nitto-stem-comparison
>> I found one cheap on ebay and its on the way to me now. Just wondering
>> what everyone thinks of these! I am pretty excited to try it just for the
>> novelty of it, though im sure theres a reason they're not readily available
>> anymore. If anyone has pics of one in use, please share!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Wesley]

OMG this is so cute!
-W

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 6:12:31 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I really do have the sweetest, cutest story from the Tuesday night women’s 
> ride. 
>
> We had a small group of 7 riders that night. We were several miles in when 
> suddenly from behind, I heard two unfamiliar voices, one belonging to a 
> child, and one belonging to a man. I looked back and was astounded - there 
> at the end of our peloton was an 8 year old girl on a tiny blue Trek bike, 
> wearing her matching blue helmet, blonde hair flying and huge grin on full 
> display. I looked at her father, helmetless and riding his own bike. He 
> wore a look half proud and half sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s been 
> watching you go by every week,” he said. “And she’s been wanting to ride 
> with you; she said, ‘Daddy, Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ And she 
> got ready so she could join you tonight.” I looked at my speedometer…we 
> were riding at over 17 mph. She moved up behind me and another woman fell 
> in behind her. 
>
> “Ok, honey, you listen for when I call out things like stick or hole, ok?” 
>
> “Ok!” she said, flashing a Cheshire Cat grin. And we pedaled on, flying 
> over country roads with our tiny companion and her daddy. She stayed with 
> us for a few miles and then they peeled off after the second set of 
> railroad tracks. I wish I had gotten a photo, but maybe next week we’ll see 
> her again and I’ll get my chance.
>
> I’m sure we were in violation of like 30 club rules but Michigan doesn’t 
> scold you for things like these. Braelyn and her little Trek, legs flying 
> and hair streaming…I doubt we will ever see anything better than her on the 
> Tuesday Night Ride.
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Delicious!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing 
>>> it wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had 
>>> this bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so I 
>>> don’t think my bike is the problem.”  
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: new member/delta quill stem risers

[Wesley]

I probably should not blow up my own spot like this (I use two of these on 
my bikes and may soon need a third, I love them). But this from Soma 
Fabrications is 1) brand new, 2) the same price, and 3) a much higher rise.

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/soma-high-rider-xl-quill-28-6-22-2-290mm-4984#attr=2406

These are the only risers that can make a typical "large" (usually about 
60cm) bike from yesteryear comfortable for me. I love them, but keep in 
mind that they are machined rather than forged and heat treated like a 
Nitto product, so probably don't use one on a mountain bike that will see 
rough trail use.
-Wes

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 8:11:10 AM UTC-7 chasenl...@gmail.com wrote:

> hi all! i have posted a couple times but never really introduced myself. I 
> am Chasen, I live in NYC, and I've got a roadini and a gus, both orange, 
> with an atlantis in the mail from c & l. i also have a 650b'd rb 2 that i 
> cant place a year on,  a 1990 stumpjumper w a Clydesdale fork, and a junker 
> old huffy mtb thing that i conduct stupid experiments on. 
>
> These convos are such a great resource for young and dumb wannabe bike 
> mechanics like myself, and you all seem much less grumpy than the folks 
> over on reddit. For these things, I thank you all.
>
> *alright, heres the important part of this post:*
>
> What have the groups experiences been with delta quill stem risers of 
> yore? 
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/305021101084
>
> I became aware of them through this article on the riv site:
> https://www.rivbike.com/pages/nitto-stem-comparison
> I found one cheap on ebay and its on the way to me now. Just wondering 
> what everyone thinks of these! I am pretty excited to try it just for the 
> novelty of it, though im sure theres a reason they're not readily available 
> anymore. If anyone has pics of one in use, please share!
>

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[RBW] new member/delta quill stem risers

[Chasen Smith]

hi all! i have posted a couple times but never really introduced myself. I 
am Chasen, I live in NYC, and I've got a roadini and a gus, both orange, 
with an atlantis in the mail from c & l. i also have a 650b'd rb 2 that i 
cant place a year on,  a 1990 stumpjumper w a Clydesdale fork, and a junker 
old huffy mtb thing that i conduct stupid experiments on. 

These convos are such a great resource for young and dumb wannabe bike 
mechanics like myself, and you all seem much less grumpy than the folks 
over on reddit. For these things, I thank you all.

*alright, heres the important part of this post:*

What have the groups experiences been with delta quill stem risers of yore? 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305021101084

I became aware of them through this article on the riv site:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/nitto-stem-comparison
I found one cheap on ebay and its on the way to me now. Just wondering what 
everyone thinks of these! I am pretty excited to try it just for the 
novelty of it, though im sure theres a reason they're not readily available 
anymore. If anyone has pics of one in use, please share!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Ian]

What a great outcome

On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 10:09 AM Eric Marth  wrote:

> Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank errand,
> no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out.
>
> Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand
> Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it!
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it
>>> worked out!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as
 easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to the
 elongated hole.

 Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful of
 times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with the
 Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, but I
 found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, and I
 don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal that
 I experienced with the Park tool.

 -Danny

 On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a more
> robust solution, I agree.
>
> Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset presses
> they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need one but... 
> they
> seemed awesome.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool!  The heavy steel
>> one, avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home mechanic of
>> fine steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers.  I use it every
>> time the derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having any
>> stubborn shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because the
>> alignment was out slightly.
>>
>> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do with
>>> bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention to 
>>> downplay
>>> the unfortunate accident!).  I like the final post about a Helicoil or
>>> dropout saver recommendation.  My own preference would likely be the
>>> Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter threads in 
>>> order to
>>> install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the damaged hanger
>>> better.  Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. website, I'm 
>>> not
>>> sure how well that would work in this case.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool in
 the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman recommended
 installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to repair 
 the
 bolt hole.

 I'm open to trying either of those fixes as well.

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:

> Thanks for the replies, everyone.
>
> A few asked about the chain jumping/skipping/slipping. When the
> chain is under load it slips or clunks repeatedly. It's kind of like 
> when
> you're in the wrong gear and you need to trim the gear to get it 
> right. But
> no amount of trimming is fixing the issue.
>
> I've tried three different derailers, same problem. The cassette
> was new in summer of 2022 and I haven't ridden in the three big gears
> enough to wear out the teeth of the cogs. It's an S-Ride 7s from 
> Rivendell,
> it's an 11-32. The crank is the same age, installed last summer. 
> SunXCD
> crank with TA Specialites rings, 42/26. I don't see any issues with 
> the
> wheel (it's running true) or with worn cassette or chainring teeth. 
> Also no
> play in the freehub body.
>
> The elongated hole: It could be the derailer is flexing in the
> hole, hard to determine this off the bike. Derailer seems seated when 
> I try
> to move it around in my hand, doesn't wobble.
>
> I have *not yet* tried installing a different wheel and cassette.
> That will be next. Should have tried that *much* earlier in the
> process.
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4 Jim Whorton wrote:
>
>> Oops, I just noticed Stephen had already made the point about 

Re: [RBW] Re: Tried and liked: Suntour Cyclone pretzel

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, Ryan and Danny. Just rode another 3 miles on a quick bank errand, 
no skips. Will have to try a longer ride when it dries out. 

Also installed a Brooks Pro I purchased from Two Wheeled Texan's Grand 
Relocation Parts Blowout and I liked it! 

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> Glad this saga had a happy ending!I bet you're relieved
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:20:22 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>
>> Ooops, didn't see your update just before I posted. Glad you got it 
>> worked out!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:16:54 PM UTC-5 Danny wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to hear what ends up resolving the issue. I hope it's as 
>>> easy as a new cassette, but I'm most intrigued by it being related to the 
>>> elongated hole.
>>>
>>> Re: alignment tools, after borrowing my friend's Park DAG a handful of 
>>> times over a few months, I decided to buy my own tool. Ended up with the 
>>> Wolf Tooth one that Stephen linked to. Have only used it once so far, but I 
>>> found it to work quite well. Doesn't take up much room in the drawer, and I 
>>> don't have to endure the frequent screeching of metal sliding on metal that 
>>> I experienced with the Park tool.
>>>
>>> -Danny
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2023 at 7:52 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
 George: Thanks for reading along! Yes, the Helicoil seems like a more 
 robust solution, I agree. 

 Jason: Noted! If only Riv would bring back those beefy headset presses 
 they got a super limited run of a few years ago. Never need one but... 
 they 
 seemed awesome. 

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:21:45 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Eric, you've *got* to get a DAG alignment tool!  The heavy steel one, 
> avoid the new lighter one. It's a must have for the home mechanic of fine 
> steel frames that do not have replaceable hangers.  I use it every time 
> the 
> derailleur is pulled off for any reason, or if I'm having any stubborn 
> shifting issue - it's amazing how often it's just because the alignment 
> was 
> out slightly. 
>
> On Thursday, 3 August 2023 at 12:17:13 UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> This is one of the more interesting posts/threads having to do with 
>> bike repairs that has come along in awhile (with no intention to 
>> downplay 
>> the unfortunate accident!).  I like the final post about a Helicoil or 
>> dropout saver recommendation.  My own preference would likely be the 
>> Helicoil because you have to tap in new larger diameter threads in order 
>> to 
>> install the coil, which seems like it would stabilize the damaged hanger 
>> better.  Having view the dropout saver at the Wheels Mfg. website, I'm 
>> not 
>> sure how well that would work in this case.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 1:21:37 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Further ideas: Antonio at Riv suggested getting a Helicoil tool in 
>>> the M10x1.0 size to repair the bolt hole. Brian Chapman recommended 
>>> installing a Wheels Mfg. dropout saver. Either would attempt to repair 
>>> the 
>>> bolt hole. 
>>>
>>> I'm open to trying either of those fixes as well. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 2:17:55 PM UTC-4 Eric Marth wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the replies, everyone. 

 A few asked about the chain jumping/skipping/slipping. When the 
 chain is under load it slips or clunks repeatedly. It's kind of like 
 when 
 you're in the wrong gear and you need to trim the gear to get it 
 right. But 
 no amount of trimming is fixing the issue. 

 I've tried three different derailers, same problem. The cassette 
 was new in summer of 2022 and I haven't ridden in the three big gears 
 enough to wear out the teeth of the cogs. It's an S-Ride 7s from 
 Rivendell, 
 it's an 11-32. The crank is the same age, installed last summer. 
 SunXCD 
 crank with TA Specialites rings, 42/26. I don't see any issues with 
 the 
 wheel (it's running true) or with worn cassette or chainring teeth. 
 Also no 
 play in the freehub body. 

 The elongated hole: It could be the derailer is flexing in the 
 hole, hard to determine this off the bike. Derailer seems seated when 
 I try 
 to move it around in my hand, doesn't wobble. 

 I have *not yet* tried installing a different wheel and cassette. 
 That will be next. Should have tried that *much* earlier in the 
 process. 

 On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 11:57:01 AM UTC-4 Jim Whorton wrote:

> Oops, I just noticed Stephen had already made the point about the 
> derailleur possibly wiggling in the hole.  Yes— what Stephen said. 
>
> Jim
>

Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Ted Durant]

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:12:31 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

I looked back and was astounded - there at the end of our peloton was an 8 
year old girl on a tiny blue Trek bike, wearing her matching blue helmet, 
blonde hair flying and huge grin on full display. I looked at her father, 
helmetless and riding his own bike. He wore a look half proud and half 
sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s been watching you go by every week,” 
he said. “And she’s been wanting to ride with you; she said, ‘Daddy, 
Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ And she got ready so she could join 
you tonight.” I looked at my speedometer…we were riding at over 17 mph. She 
moved up behind me and another woman fell in behind her. 


I LOVE this, but you know, Leah, this is a great burden on you. It's 
totally up to you to show that young girl that she doesn't have to be just 
like all the others. 

Ted Durant 
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Slin]

That’s very cute. The first club rule broken was “no smiling” …. Jk!!

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:46:38 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote:

> Delightful!  I hope they join you again. 
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I really do have the sweetest, cutest story from the Tuesday night 
>> women’s ride. 
>>
>> We had a small group of 7 riders that night. We were several miles in 
>> when suddenly from behind, I heard two unfamiliar voices, one belonging to 
>> a child, and one belonging to a man. I looked back and was astounded - 
>> there at the end of our peloton was an 8 year old girl on a tiny blue Trek 
>> bike, wearing her matching blue helmet, blonde hair flying and huge grin on 
>> full display. I looked at her father, helmetless and riding his own bike. 
>> He wore a look half proud and half sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s 
>> been watching you go by every week,” he said. “And she’s been wanting to 
>> ride with you; she said, ‘Daddy, Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ 
>> And she got ready so she could join you tonight.” I looked at my 
>> speedometer…we were riding at over 17 mph. She moved up behind me and 
>> another woman fell in behind her. 
>>
>> “Ok, honey, you listen for when I call out things like stick or hole, 
>> ok?” 
>>
>> “Ok!” she said, flashing a Cheshire Cat grin. And we pedaled on, flying 
>> over country roads with our tiny companion and her daddy. She stayed with 
>> us for a few miles and then they peeled off after the second set of 
>> railroad tracks. I wish I had gotten a photo, but maybe next week we’ll see 
>> her again and I’ll get my chance.
>>
>> I’m sure we were in violation of like 30 club rules but Michigan doesn’t 
>> scold you for things like these. Braelyn and her little Trek, legs flying 
>> and hair streaming…I doubt we will ever see anything better than her on the 
>> Tuesday Night Ride.
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Delicious!
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing 
 it wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had 
 this bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so 
 I 
 don’t think my bike is the problem.”  

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Roberta]

Delightful!  I hope they join you again. 

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:12:31 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I really do have the sweetest, cutest story from the Tuesday night women’s 
> ride. 
>
> We had a small group of 7 riders that night. We were several miles in when 
> suddenly from behind, I heard two unfamiliar voices, one belonging to a 
> child, and one belonging to a man. I looked back and was astounded - there 
> at the end of our peloton was an 8 year old girl on a tiny blue Trek bike, 
> wearing her matching blue helmet, blonde hair flying and huge grin on full 
> display. I looked at her father, helmetless and riding his own bike. He 
> wore a look half proud and half sheepish. “This is Braelyn, and she’s been 
> watching you go by every week,” he said. “And she’s been wanting to ride 
> with you; she said, ‘Daddy, Tuesday night at 6:50 they’ll be here.’ And she 
> got ready so she could join you tonight.” I looked at my speedometer…we 
> were riding at over 17 mph. She moved up behind me and another woman fell 
> in behind her. 
>
> “Ok, honey, you listen for when I call out things like stick or hole, ok?” 
>
> “Ok!” she said, flashing a Cheshire Cat grin. And we pedaled on, flying 
> over country roads with our tiny companion and her daddy. She stayed with 
> us for a few miles and then they peeled off after the second set of 
> railroad tracks. I wish I had gotten a photo, but maybe next week we’ll see 
> her again and I’ll get my chance.
>
> I’m sure we were in violation of like 30 club rules but Michigan doesn’t 
> scold you for things like these. Braelyn and her little Trek, legs flying 
> and hair streaming…I doubt we will ever see anything better than her on the 
> Tuesday Night Ride.
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 4:38:01 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Delicious!
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 3:58 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... Some guy will come find me at my vehicle and tell me how I’m doing 
>>> it wrong. After getting lectured about how I could go 25% faster if I had 
>>> this bike and narrow tires, blah, blah, I say, “Well, I just beat you, so I 
>>> don’t think my bike is the problem.”  
>>>
>>

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