Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Kim H.]

Hi Chester,

I thank-you for your truthful and reality check, regarding the 
impossibility of feeling secure over and through the internet these days. 
It is like you can run, but you cannot hide from the vast available 
information on the internet about you and other people. 

Kim Hetzel, who once lived in the South Bay Area and moved north over 40 
years ago. 
Yelm, WA. 



On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 2:25:51 PM UTC-7 Chester wrote:

> I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to 
> be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can 
> take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's 
> easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city 
> is smaller.
>
> It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When 
> you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will 
> get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying 
> a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, 
> phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. 
> There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. 
>
> All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to 
> specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much 
> more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more 
> easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly 
> prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding 
> expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of 
> open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle 
> grinder out on the streets.
>
> Chester
> SF Bay Area
> On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in 
>> this gorgeous Fall weather!
>>
>> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the 
>> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).
>>
>> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them 
>> to crossroads in your town.
>>
>> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable 
>> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police 
>> station, or the local food bank as your address. 
>>
>> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
>> appear on the map.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>>
>>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising 
>>> their hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you 
>>> don't want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address 
>>> in your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
>>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>>>
>>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
>>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
>>> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
>>> here too.
>>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from 
>>> other sources or from any sales records.   
>>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>>>
>>> --ben in KC
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>>
 Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
 your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
 you. Let that be your location on the map.


 On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  
 wrote:

 Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least 
 there's that!

 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
> intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
> gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
> database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
> never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who 
> had 
> two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
> home address was visible on Strava. 
>
> It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
> find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
> information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
> intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of 
> the 
> forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
> posts has a similar 

[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Roberta]

Fabulous. Looking forward to seeing ride report and pics. 
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:30:31 PM UTC-4 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[SallyG]

Congratulations from a fellow Clemmer! Enjoy!

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 5:49:33 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> All the RivSisters are doing it! I took my own RBW Blue Clem out for a 
> ride tonight on some sandy roads in the neighborhood. The new wide tires 
> were wonderful. I can’t wait to hear more (and see more) about and of your 
> new Clem, Kiley!
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg]
>
> On Sep 19, 2023, at 3:32 PM, Kiley Demond  wrote:
>
> Wah! My HE (husband equivalent) has been helping me set it up (a far cry 
> from putting my Cheviot together by myself 7 years ago). Anyway, the rear 
> wheel is out of true. I talked to Will and I am taking it to a bike shop to 
> have the appropriate spokes tightened to get it back true. My plan is to 
> ride it stock (except the seat & seat post) for a couple of days before I 
> start considering alterations and component swaps. First thing I noticed 
> (while on it in my living room ) was that the saddle (my Rivet saddle on 
> the Nitto set-back post) doesn't have to be as far back as on the Cheviot. 
> However, the Tosco bars may be a bit too short, but again... stock for a 
> week.
>
>
> I'll be back as soon as I actually get to ride it.
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:
>
>> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
>> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
>> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
>> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
>> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
>> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
>> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
>> motivated by a “deal” . 
>>
>> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
>> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
>> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
>> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
>> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
>> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
>> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
>> bike excitement!
>>
>> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
>> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
>> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
>> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>>
>> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
>> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
>> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
>> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>>
>> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ATTENTION ! Someone posted on r/Rivendell_Bicycles the map of Rivendell bike owners

[Chester]

I don't want to come across as being an alarmist or encouraging people to 
be paranoid but if someone has your full name and city of residence, it can 
take just a few seconds of Internet searching to get your address. It's 
easier to find the right listing if the name is more unique and/or the city 
is smaller.

It's pretty much impossible to obscure yourself if you shop online. When 
you enter in your purchasing/shipping information, that information will 
get resold to companies that sell access to databases. But, without paying 
a dime, it's easy to look up a name and find current and prior addresses, 
phone numbers, e-mail addresses, names of people one lived with, etc. 
There's also harvesting of property tax records and other data sources. 

All that said, I doubt that there is much appeal in a bike thief trying to 
specifically target Rivendell owners for home burglaries. There are much 
more common and more valuable bicycles to target that are also much more 
easy to sell on the down-low. And there are a lot of more seemingly 
prevalent ways for thieves to find targets. Follow riders they see riding 
expensive rigs. Drive through neighborhoods and notice what's inside of 
open garages. Look for $1000+ bike racks on vehicles. Or just take an angle 
grinder out on the streets.

Chester
SF Bay Area
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 2:03:51 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Apologies for the late response. I've been out canoeing and camping in 
> this gorgeous Fall weather!
>
> So far, anybody who has asked to be removed has been so (with the 
> exception of Stoker because I can't find you on the map).
>
> I have also removed a few street addresses upon request and changed them 
> to crossroads in your town.
>
> Again, if you like the map and want to be on it, but are uncomfortable 
> with your location being known, please choose a taco stand, the police 
> station, or the local food bank as your address. 
>
> If you want out, please let me know and give me your name and town as you 
> appear on the map.
>
> Cheers, John
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 5:53:12 PM UTC-7 Benjamin Kelley wrote:
>
>> and for those that failed to read the actual website before raising their 
>> hackles and wildly speculating and adding unrelated stories, If you don't 
>> want to put your home address, it recommends hoosing a random address in 
>> your town or vague lat/long to add some anonymity but also to keep the 
>> markers from overlapping when just entering the city.
>>
>> Not sure what all the fuss is about eitherway. 1: this has nothing to do 
>> with reddit other than that's where the link to the existing site was 
>> posted.  2: The site was originally posted on iBOB long ago, and I think 
>> here too.
>> 3: Everyone self signed up, it's not like this was data scraped from 
>> other sources or from any sales records.   
>> Nobody's info is out there that didn't want it out there.
>>
>> --ben in KC
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 1:35 PM Brian Turner  wrote:
>>
>>> Seems like the solution to this would be to just pick a random point in 
>>> your city, or a favorite establishment’s address, or a park or what have 
>>> you. Let that be your location on the map.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2023, at 2:28 PM, Caroline Golum  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seems like the subreddit is pretty sparsely attended so at least 
>>> there's that!
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 2:01:19 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 John — Of course the map itself doesn't have a dark-sided or hidden 
 intent. I know you're trying to help people connect and I appreciate the 
 gesture. However there is no telling what people can and will do with a 
 database like this. Because this forum is visible to the public I would 
 never add my street address. I am reminded of a story about someone who 
 had 
 two valuable Rene Herse bicycles stolen and they later figured out their 
 home address was visible on Strava. 

 It seems the Reddit post was deleted but the original map is easy to 
 find here. I know it's uncomfortable to think that people could use this 
 information for nefarious purposes. But the fun and innocent oroginal 
 intent doesn't reduce the risk. I think because the visible members of the 
 forum are kind and generous it's easy to think that anyone reading our 
 posts has a similar mindset. But as we've seen with some recent scam sales 
 there are registered members looking to take advantage of others. And, 
 again, the entire forum is publicly visible to anyone with an internet 
 connect. 

 Just my perspective with an interest in looking out for other board 
 members. 

 Eric 
 Fredericksburg, USA 




 On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 1:17:35 PM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:

> Yeah, I put Eric's address as my own...
>
> On Friday, September 15, 2023 at 12:28:43 PM UTC-4 John Rinker 

Re: [RBW] Re: NBD

[Josh C]

Thanks. It's a cool bike. Honestly, the best part may have been meeting the 
original owner, who looked eerily similar to myself and drove the same make 
vehicle btw. He was a super nice. We stood around in his garage for a short 
bit and chatted about Rivs and the city. He gave me a Rivendell coffee mug 
and some other bits. It was a very nice experience overall. I've had this 
experience more often than not with Riv people; they're a good lot, I'd say.
On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:30:03 AM UTC-4 eliot...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I saw this one too. Glad someone here got it. Beautiful bike ! 
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 6:54 AM Josh C  wrote:
>
>> A little larger:
>> [image: IMG_0632.jpeg][image: IMG_0631.jpeg]
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 9:52:43 AM UTC-4 Josh C wrote:
>>
>>> Saturday I saw the posting on one of the Rivendelll Facebook pages for 
>>> an Atlantis for sale. I click on the link and it’s local to me here in 
>>> Indianapolis. It was such a beautiful bike that I reached out to the seller 
>>> immediately. I don’t exactly have a need for this bike, per se, but I’m a 
>>> degenerate, so I offer him full asking price. I had picked up a night shift 
>>> at the hospital that night, so I asked if we could meet Sunday after I got 
>>> a few hours of shut eye.
>>>
>>> Sunday I was a bit too tired to get out and do much on four hours of 
>>> sleep, but did get out yesterday. I don’t live far from a rail trail that 
>>> spans over 26 miles from downtown Indianapolis north into the country. I 
>>> took this up a short bit and on the way back popped into the Indianapolis 
>>> Art Center’s Artspark to sit by the White River and relax a bit before 
>>> returning home. Naturally, I gathered up a few pictures of this beautiful 
>>> bike in this beautiful space.
>>>
>>> It’s a 59cm 2020 Atlantis. I didn’t change a thing, just put some air in 
>>> the tires and threw a small handlebar bag on to hold my junk as I rode.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0632.jpeg]
>>> Twisted House, by John McNaughton (2005)
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0631.jpeg]
>>> Log and river, by Mother Nature (2023)
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[Brian Turner]

Back to normal now, but I was seeing the glitch for a few hours. I'm using
Gmail with Firefox on the latest Mac OS. Same as Josiah, some names are
showing up as "RBW Owners Bunch" but only from the time when it was being
buggy.

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 3:23 PM Josiah Anderson 
wrote:

> Same here, reading in Gmail in Firefox on Mac OS. Bill was "RBW Owners
> Bunch" in the original post here, as was everyone else on all my Google
> groups (with their respective names) until about 11:20am Mountain time
> today. Back to normal now. Obviously since they're emails for me the
> previously sent messages with the bug are still showing up as such, but no
> new ones are as far as I can tell.
>
> Josiah
>
> Le mar. 19 sept. 2023 à 13:03, Bill Lindsay  a
> écrit :
>
>> I wasn't trying to communally debug.  I was just seeing if it was just
>> me, and letting others it's not just them.
>>
>> For me, the issue has gone away.  For roughly an hour today,
>> "everybody's" handle was "RBW Owners Group" on the RBW Owners Group.
>> Everybody's handle on the 650B Group was "650B".  About a third of the
>> users on internet-bob had the username "internet-bob".  It appears to have
>> cleared up.  I'm on a MacBook Air (OS Ventura 13.5.2), and Safari is my
>> browser.
>>
>> Bill "formerly RBW Owners Group" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 11:24:49 AM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> This is the first I'm hearing of this problem, which I have seen neither
>>> here nor on iBOB (nor on any of the other Google Groups I check in to
>>> regularly: CR, 650B, Bicycle Lifestyle, a couple of non-bikey groups).
>>>
>>> The issue may be specific to particular OSes/browsers/browser versions,
>>> so just saying "I have/don't have the problem" really doesn't narrow things
>>> down much. If you're trying to communally troubleshoot this, it would
>>> probably be useful for the expansion of collective knowingness to post:
>>>
>>> 1) Your viewing platform (computer/smartphone/tablet make/model/OS)
>>>
>>> 2) Browser or email client?
>>>
>>> 3) Browser/email client make/model/version (e.g., Firefox 115.2.1)
>>>
>>> So to kick it off: 2015 MacBook Pro macOS 10.14.6/Safari 14.1.2
>>>
>>> Peter "pretend that we can't see your screen - because we can't" Adler
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems to go back and forth. At some point I was able to see real user
>>> names here but now its back to the generic RBW
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Kiley Demond]

Wah! My HE (husband equivalent) has been helping me set it up (a far cry 
from putting my Cheviot together by myself 7 years ago). Anyway, the rear 
wheel is out of true. I talked to Will and I am taking it to a bike shop to 
have the appropriate spokes tightened to get it back true. My plan is to 
ride it stock (except the seat & seat post) for a couple of days before I 
start considering alterations and component swaps. First thing I noticed 
(while on it in my living room ) was that the saddle (my Rivet saddle on 
the Nitto set-back post) doesn't have to be as far back as on the Cheviot. 
However, the Tosco bars may be a bit too short, but again... stock for a 
week.

I'll be back as soon as I actually get to ride it.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[Josiah Anderson]

Same here, reading in Gmail in Firefox on Mac OS. Bill was "RBW Owners
Bunch" in the original post here, as was everyone else on all my Google
groups (with their respective names) until about 11:20am Mountain time
today. Back to normal now. Obviously since they're emails for me the
previously sent messages with the bug are still showing up as such, but no
new ones are as far as I can tell.

Josiah

Le mar. 19 sept. 2023 à 13:03, Bill Lindsay  a écrit :

> I wasn't trying to communally debug.  I was just seeing if it was just me,
> and letting others it's not just them.
>
> For me, the issue has gone away.  For roughly an hour today, "everybody's"
> handle was "RBW Owners Group" on the RBW Owners Group.  Everybody's handle
> on the 650B Group was "650B".  About a third of the users on internet-bob
> had the username "internet-bob".  It appears to have cleared up.  I'm on a
> MacBook Air (OS Ventura 13.5.2), and Safari is my browser.
>
> Bill "formerly RBW Owners Group" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 11:24:49 AM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> This is the first I'm hearing of this problem, which I have seen neither
>> here nor on iBOB (nor on any of the other Google Groups I check in to
>> regularly: CR, 650B, Bicycle Lifestyle, a couple of non-bikey groups).
>>
>> The issue may be specific to particular OSes/browsers/browser versions,
>> so just saying "I have/don't have the problem" really doesn't narrow things
>> down much. If you're trying to communally troubleshoot this, it would
>> probably be useful for the expansion of collective knowingness to post:
>>
>> 1) Your viewing platform (computer/smartphone/tablet make/model/OS)
>>
>> 2) Browser or email client?
>>
>> 3) Browser/email client make/model/version (e.g., Firefox 115.2.1)
>>
>> So to kick it off: 2015 MacBook Pro macOS 10.14.6/Safari 14.1.2
>>
>> Peter "pretend that we can't see your screen - because we can't" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>> It seems to go back and forth. At some point I was able to see real user
>> names here but now its back to the generic RBW
>>
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[RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[Bill Lindsay]

I wasn't trying to communally debug.  I was just seeing if it was just me, 
and letting others it's not just them.  

For me, the issue has gone away.  For roughly an hour today, "everybody's" 
handle was "RBW Owners Group" on the RBW Owners Group.  Everybody's handle 
on the 650B Group was "650B".  About a third of the users on internet-bob 
had the username "internet-bob".  It appears to have cleared up.  I'm on a 
MacBook Air (OS Ventura 13.5.2), and Safari is my browser.

Bill "formerly RBW Owners Group" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 11:24:49 AM UTC-7 divis...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> This is the first I'm hearing of this problem, which I have seen neither 
> here nor on iBOB (nor on any of the other Google Groups I check in to 
> regularly: CR, 650B, Bicycle Lifestyle, a couple of non-bikey groups).
>
> The issue may be specific to particular OSes/browsers/browser versions, so 
> just saying "I have/don't have the problem" really doesn't narrow things 
> down much. If you're trying to communally troubleshoot this, it would 
> probably be useful for the expansion of collective knowingness to post:
>
> 1) Your viewing platform (computer/smartphone/tablet make/model/OS)
>
> 2) Browser or email client?
>
> 3) Browser/email client make/model/version (e.g., Firefox 115.2.1)
>
> So to kick it off: 2015 MacBook Pro macOS 10.14.6/Safari 14.1.2
>
> Peter "pretend that we can't see your screen - because we can't" Adler
> Berkeley, CA
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
> It seems to go back and forth. At some point I was able to see real user 
> names here but now its back to the generic RBW
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[Peter Adler]

This is the first I'm hearing of this problem, which I have seen neither 
here nor on iBOB (nor on any of the other Google Groups I check in to 
regularly: CR, 650B, Bicycle Lifestyle, a couple of non-bikey groups).

The issue may be specific to particular OSes/browsers/browser versions, so 
just saying "I have/don't have the problem" really doesn't narrow things 
down much. If you're trying to communally troubleshoot this, it would 
probably be useful for the expansion of collective knowingness to post:

1) Your viewing platform (computer/smartphone/tablet make/model/OS)

2) Browser or email client?

3) Browser/email client make/model/version (e.g., Firefox 115.2.1)

So to kick it off: 2015 MacBook Pro macOS 10.14.6/Safari 14.1.2

Peter "pretend that we can't see your screen - because we can't" Adler
Berkeley, CA

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:29:49 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

It seems to go back and forth. At some point I was able to see real user 
names here but now its back to the generic RBW

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[RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[Johnny Alien]

It seems to go back and forth. At some point I was able to see real user 
names here but now its back to the generic RBW

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 1:16:01 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I'm glad it's not just me. I thought I'd inadvertently change a setting. 
> It seems really goofy. Is this a Google thing or can it be changed back? 
> Prefer the old way.
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> This has been driving me bananas.
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 12:52:13 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It looks like the latest Google glitch is that everybody's handle is 
>>> "RBW Owners Bunch", at least on my browser.  It seems to be happening 
>>> partially on iBob also.  How do you like your new username?
>>>
>>> Bill "RBW Owners Bunch" Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah and Sarah, I've passed your support to Mathilde to which she said 
"See, they get it!" :)

And also, I wouldn't say I crashed twice, more like I had to bail from the 
bike because I lost balance. Nothing catastrophic (except for a bruise or 
two from those damn bear trap pedals!)

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> And I wanted a raspberry bike! So I also say make it happen for the yellow 
> or orange bike!
>
> I thoroughly enjoyed reading this thread, start to finish. I was as 
> delighted as if it had been me who got the experience. How wonderful. But I 
> would not have been brave enough to be doing single track out there with 
> Riv People. You crashed twice? Nope, nope, nope. Put me back on the bike 
> path please and thank you.
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:22:30 PM UTC-4 sarahlik...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> As a lady who also wanted a yellow bike... and custom painted one 
>> Make it happen! Say goodbye to barf green!
>>
>>
>> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>>
>>> Hey All,
>>>
>>> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>>>
>>> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
>>> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around 
>>> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds 
>>> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>>>
>>> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that 
>>> I sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, 
>>> but as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited 
>>> for her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.
>>>
>>> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
>>> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
>>> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
>>> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
>>> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping 
>>> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
>>> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>>>
>>> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color 
>>> of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the 
>>> light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
>>> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
>>> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
>>> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
>>> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
>>> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>>>
>>> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
>>> out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
>>> some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
>>> let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>>>
>>> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on 
>>> his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>>>
>>> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give 
>>> us the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
>>> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
>>> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>>>
>>> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
>>> trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave 
>>> each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
>>> you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"
>>>
>>> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend 
>>> most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of 
>>> Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't 
>>> the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also 
>>> felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've 
>>> never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of 
>>> learning to do.
>>>
>>> What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
>>> twice, but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride 
>>> with Grant in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side 
>>> of a hill which scored some laughs all around.
>>>
>>> As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride 
>>> the terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The 
>>> biggest thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, 
>>> pedal. It took a bit of 

[RBW] Re: Riv Ride Report - Impromptu Ride /w Grant

[RBW Owners Bunch]

Love this hahaha, I can visualize that exact conversation.

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:21:03 PM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I've gotten to ride with Grant a few times.  The most memorable one was 
> when I was just stopping in for a couple small bits, and I was 
> contemplating a floor model 650B Atlantis.  Grant walks up and:
>
> GP: "Hey Bill"
> BL: "Hi Grant"
> GP: "We should go on a ride sometime"
> BL: "I agree, that would be nice"
> GP: ...
> BL: ...
> GP: "OK, grab a bike.  Let's go!"
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 1:40:39 PM UTC-7 Joe A. wrote:
>
>> Hey All,
>>
>> I wanted to share a special ride report from this past Saturday.
>>
>> Originally, my wife and I planned to hop on BART from West Oakland and 
>> travel to Walnut Creek to visit the Riv HQ, followed by a quick ride around 
>> Shell Ridge. I've been to the showroom a handful of times to pick some odds 
>> and ends, but my wife has never been. 
>>
>> She currently rides a Clem H in "Barf Green" as she calls it (ha!) that I 
>> sourced for her from a fellow bay area Riv rider. It's an amazing bike, but 
>> as she didn't pick it, it's never truly been *hers*. I was excited for 
>> her to try out a few bikes and finally find her one true steed.
>>
>> We arrived to find Grant in the showroom, helping another person find 
>> their PBH size. Before long, my Wife and Grant were deep in conversation 
>> about what type of bike she was looking for, and she hopped on a Platypus, 
>> Homer (the new gold ones look amazing in person btw), Proto Charlie, 
>> amongst others. She immediately fell in love with the Homer and was zipping 
>> around the compound with a huge smile on her face. While she did that, I 
>> nerded out with James, checking out his Homer and Atlantis.
>>
>> Intermittently, Grant, James, and Riv Friend Dan, gushed about the color 
>> of her frame, how unique the color was and how beautiful it was in the 
>> light (all things I also thought when I scored the bike for her). For 
>> context, my wife is obsessed with getting a yellow or orange bike, and 
>> nothing else will please her :) Grant conceded to her that yes, one should 
>> have a bike in a color that makes them love it, and so it in was in 
>> friendly jest that for the rest of our time together Grant kept talking up 
>> her "barf green" Clem. I thought it was hilarious.
>>
>> After an hour or so, we said that we'd come back another day to hammer 
>> out the details on a build, and that we were off to Shell Ridge to ride 
>> some trails. I confessed that we'd never been out there before and James 
>> let me take a photo of a map they had on hand to get there. 
>>
>> We set off, only to find both Grant (on his light blue Clem) and Dan (on 
>> his army green Gus) waiting near the start of the trailhead!
>>
>> They graciously offered to show us around (though were careful to give us 
>> the option to get a few pointers and continue on with our date ride). 
>> Obviously, we were more that elated to have Grant and Dan lead us on our 
>> first ride in Riv's backyard. How cool is that??
>>
>> So we were off! Grant and Dan tested our chops a bit through some light 
>> trails, and eventually we came up to a fork in the road. Grant and Dan gave 
>> each other a look and after a moment Grant said "well, you two look like 
>> you can handle yourselves, so let's try some singletrack, it'll be fun!"
>>
>> Full disclosure: my Wife and I are pretty avid cyclists, though we spend 
>> most of our time on easier fire trails and pavement in the urban jungle of 
>> Oakland. So... our experience on singletrack and trails in general isn't 
>> the greatest. But when Grant says ride, you most certainly follow. I also 
>> felt comfortable knowing we had them around. I must also admit that I've 
>> never really taken my Clem L on this kind of terrain, so there was a lot of 
>> learning to do.
>>
>> What followed was an amazing jaunt around Shell Ridge. I fell at least 
>> twice, but there was no shame to be had. Dan shared that on his first ride 
>> with Grant in Shell Ridge, he fell off his bike and slid 50ft down the side 
>> of a hill which scored some laughs all around.
>>
>> As we went along, both Dan and Grant gave me some tips on how to ride the 
>> terrain and by the second half I was having the time of my life. The 
>> biggest thing I learned was to trust the long-wheel base, and pedal, pedal, 
>> pedal. It took a bit of courage to do, but once I got the hang of it I was 
>> amazed at how, yes, you really can pedal through those moments of doubt and 
>> come away smiling. I'll never forget it. I was also in awe of how 
>> skillfully both Grant and Dan rode the terrain, they're incredibly skillful 
>> but are never in your face about it.
>>
>> Along the way, we had great conversations about not just bikes, but life. 
>> I asked Grant if he was going to celebrate Riv's 30th anniversary next year 
>> to which he yelled *"NO!"* (though I suspect 

[RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm glad it's not just me. I thought I'd inadvertently change a setting. It 
seems really goofy. Is this a Google thing or can it be changed back? 
Prefer the old way.

dougP

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:04:32 AM UTC-7 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> This has been driving me bananas.
>
> On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 12:52:13 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>
>> It looks like the latest Google glitch is that everybody's handle is "RBW 
>> Owners Bunch", at least on my browser.  It seems to be happening partially 
>> on iBob also.  How do you like your new username?
>>
>> Bill "RBW Owners Bunch" Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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[RBW] Re: Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[RBW Owners Bunch]

This has been driving me bananas.

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 12:52:13 PM UTC-4 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> It looks like the latest Google glitch is that everybody's handle is "RBW 
> Owners Bunch", at least on my browser.  It seems to be happening partially 
> on iBob also.  How do you like your new username?
>
> Bill "RBW Owners Bunch" Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] Test post: I'm RBW Owners Bunch!

[RBW Owners Bunch]

It looks like the latest Google glitch is that everybody's handle is "RBW 
Owners Bunch", at least on my browser.  It seems to be happening partially 
on iBob also.  How do you like your new username?

Bill "RBW Owners Bunch" Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] FREE: Riv Peace Wheel T-shirts XL

[Justin Kennedy]

sorry all, already claimed!

On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 10:57:22 AM UTC-4 freefo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I'll take one off your hands. 
>
>
> Michael 
>
> On Tue, Sep 19, 2023, 7:49 AM RBW Owners Bunch  
> wrote:
>
>> I have two unworn/brand new Ukraine Peace Wheel tees in size XL (color is 
>> gray) that are free to a good home. Just Venmo me $5 for shipping. 
>>
>> Back image below; front is a pocket-T with "AT ITS BEST PEDALING IS 
>> POLITICAL" printed on the pocket. DM or reply here. 
>>
>> [image: へ'）Nº237 Sometimes The Best Way To Heal Is With Cold Steel 
>> ❤️‍啕 | by Jon Woodroof | Medium]
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>> 
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>>
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Re: [RBW] FREE: Riv Peace Wheel T-shirts XL

[Michael Moore, Jr.]

I'll take one off your hands.


Michael

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wrote:

> I have two unworn/brand new Ukraine Peace Wheel tees in size XL (color is
> gray) that are free to a good home. Just Venmo me $5 for shipping.
>
> Back image below; front is a pocket-T with "AT ITS BEST PEDALING IS
> POLITICAL" printed on the pocket. DM or reply here.
>
> [image: へ'）Nº237 Sometimes The Best Way To Heal Is With Cold Steel ❤️‍啕
> | by Jon Woodroof | Medium]
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[RBW] FREE: Riv Peace Wheel T-shirts XL

[RBW Owners Bunch]

I have two unworn/brand new Ukraine Peace Wheel tees in size XL (color is 
gray) that are free to a good home. Just Venmo me $5 for shipping. 

Back image below; front is a pocket-T with "AT ITS BEST PEDALING IS 
POLITICAL" printed on the pocket. DM or reply here. 

[image: へ'）Nº237 Sometimes The Best Way To Heal Is With Cold Steel ❤️‍啕 
| by Jon Woodroof | Medium]

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[RBW] Re: Clem L: Color It Mine!

[Sarah Carlson]

OOOooo! That moment when you got the notification that your bike was in 
stock! What a feeling! Congratulations on your not barf green bike and the 
beginning of new adventures! 

On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 5:30:31 PM UTC-7 Kiley Demond wrote:

> I did it! I received the “BIS” (back in stock) email from Riv the weekend 
> before last and bought a Clem L 59cm in blue! (I wonder where it was hiding 
> in the warehouse or was it in a new container with Homers?)  I wanted an 
> older gen in orange but what did I know? Blue is my second favorite color. 
> Probably a better option because as a direct buyer of a new bike, the bike 
> is warrantied as long as I own it. And the price was great! It hasn’t gone 
> up in price so at $2050, a total bargain. And as a (female) American, I am 
> motivated by a “deal” . 
>
> And of course, getting to ride! I have a bike that I have been “using” in 
> the interim. Quote marks because I didn’t use it more than a couple of 
> times all summer. I think it was subconsciously too daunting because it 
> didn’t feel safe & secure, which is a Riv cornerstone. (And, there are 
> already people who have added electric pedal-assist, which is a distinct 
> possibility for the future, and I will not have to re-invent the wheel 來.) 
> My energy soared as soon as I completed the purchase. I am beset with new 
> bike excitement!
>
> Update: Bike arrived in 5 days! Seat tube tang got bent a smidge by some 
> transport company (turned the box upside down because those big ↑ on the 
> box are not enough—fabricator beau fixed it in a minute; now I need to seal 
> the seat tube opening due to paint being scraped off to bare steel). 
>
> I have been busy the last couple of days with a friend's Celebration of 
> Life, but can now turn my attention to my retirement bicycle! Let the 
> pimping begin! Photos to follow when I get it a little further along. I 
> have straddled it in my living room a couple of times and bless the 'L''! 
>
> First ride tomorrow! I'm bck! 
>
>
>
>
>

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