Re: [RBW] Re: Wanted: Jones LWB

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patrick,

With a Surly Offset Double crank, my Q factor is 175mm.
If you want to discuss ideas about the Jones, give Jeff a call. Set aside 
plenty of time. tel:541-535-2034

Joe

On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 9:55:54 AM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've thought of a Jones, but have refrained because I'm very attached to 
> my usual drop bar riding position even for off road (the light off-roading 
> I do). 
>
> I don't suppose you can comfortably install a drop bar on a Jones?
>
> And, I expect also that Joneses have widish Q factors (>160 mm)?
>
> Questions in the form of suppositions.
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 9:16 AM Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>
>> I am another vote to pick up a Jones on sale! I prefer the SWB for most 
>> of my riding but the LWB sis awesome in its own way. The SWB has replaced 
>> all of my other bikes. Though I still need to sell a Tanglefoot Hardtack. 
>> Drop bars just don’t work for me…
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 6, 2024 at 6:45:01 AM UTC-8 Mojo wrote:
>>
>>> I have a Jones LWB in my quiver of seven bikes and it gets ridden the 
>>> most. I can imagine selling other bikes, but not the Jones. The long stable 
>>> wheelbase, lowish BB, short-upright cockpit, fast steering (for offroad, 75 
>>> mm trail), room for 3+" tires, all combine to make a unique and fun bike. I 
>>> recommend the sale.
>>>
>>> Joe, riding the Jones this morning before the atmospheric river arrives, 
>>> in GJT
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:27:38 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good morning!
>>>>
>>>> I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, 
>>>> so I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus 
>>>> LWB (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes 
>>>> are now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any 
>>>> used possibilities out there.
>>>>
>>>> I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to 
>>>> version 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss 
>>>> fork and eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the 
>>>> frame/fork itself.
>>>>
>>>> Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so 
>>>> we'd have to work out shipping.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>> Joe
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Wanted: Jones LWB

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I have a Jones LWB in my quiver of seven bikes and it gets ridden the most. 
I can imagine selling other bikes, but not the Jones. The long stable 
wheelbase, lowish BB, short-upright cockpit, fast steering (for offroad, 75 
mm trail), room for 3+" tires, all combine to make a unique and fun bike. I 
recommend the sale.

Joe, riding the Jones this morning before the atmospheric river arrives, in 
GJT

On Monday, February 5, 2024 at 6:27:38 AM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> Good morning!
>
> I know there are lots of Jones Bikes aficionados amongst the Riv crowd, so 
> I figured this post is worth a try. I'm in the market for a Jones Plus LWB 
> (now just called the LWB). And although the Jones Complete LWB bikes are 
> now a very reasonable price new, I thought I'd see if there are any used 
> possibilities out there.
>
> I'm open to an earlier version of the Complete bike (they're up to version 
> 3 now). Also open to a Custom Select frame (the one with the truss fork and 
> eccentric bottom bracket) that you've built up, or just the frame/fork 
> itself.
>
> Ideally local to western/central Montana, but I know that's unlikely so 
> we'd have to work out shipping.
>
> Thanks!
> Joe
>

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Re: [RBW] Dialing in a Brooks Saddle

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Jay,

Here is my data point FWIW. I adjust my B17s to be nose up higher than 
back-of-saddle up. In other words, my saddle has less of a nose-up position 
less than the back flat position discussed here, creating a hammock shape, 
but again with the nose a bit higher than the back.

I find B17s quite comfortable for day riding, but it literally wears on me 
on multiday tours. I have found the Berthoud Aspin, 157mm width, to be much 
more comfortable and more expensive. The WTB Pure, 148mm width, does well 
for day rides and costs so much less. Both tilt adjusted as described above.

Joe in GJT 

On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 6:52:51 PM UTC-7 Jay wrote:

> Thanks for all the wisdom.  And the humour (Eric).
>
> I installed the saddle and tinkered with initial set up in my basement. 
>  Proceeded to go out for ride one, around the block.  These very short 
> rides tell me if I'm way off.  I was.  Made adjustments about five more 
> times, going around my block once or twice each time.  Felt better, but 
> never comfortable.  Went out for a 10k ride.  Stopped twice to adjust.  I 
> had the saddle level in the back, which puts the nose up (as you know). 
>  That had me neither sliding forward or backward, but it wasn't 
> comfortable.  I felt like the tilt was right (no slide), height was good 
> (decent extension at bottom of stroke), and I'm guessing fore/aft was 
> good...no leg pain. Hard to say what was uncomfortable; I felt the skirt of 
> the saddle, and general discomfort around the sit bones (not the sit bone 
> pin-point area itself).  
>
> When I ride my Prologo (147mm wide) I am very comfortable for 1-2 hours, 
> then it slowly becomes uncomfortable (friction/chafing).  The Prologo was 
> comfortable from ride one (after the small adjustments per my routine).  On 
> my Fargo, where I'm riding it like a drop-bar mountain bike on 'green' 
> trails in my area, I stand a lot, and I can ride long without discomfort. 
>  Long road rides, however, not so good.  Same saddle on my road bike, bit 
> better at the 2-3hr mark.
>
> Not sure where to go from here!  I don't think I'll bring the saddle for 
> the Roadini fitting, but I won't get rid of it.  We'll see how this unfolds 
> :-)
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 3:06:26 PM UTC-5 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> I've owned many B17 saddles, and there is variability, and in my 
>> experience, less variability in the Special than in the Standard. So if you 
>> don't like the B17 you try, it may just be you don't like *that* particular 
>> B17. 
>>
>> I've always thought that Brooks should do a little pressure test mid-way 
>> on the saddle to address the variability in the leather. In my experience, 
>> some seem made for more robust torsos, and some for much less. I regret 
>> selling a just right one to a very nice person here in town, but am more 
>> pleased to know how well it suits him. 
>>
>> For starters, I always adjust a B17 to nose up by a tip of the thumb 
>> thickness at the back from level. That gets me good enough. 
>>
>> If further micro-adjustment is needed, I have a small round magnet that 
>> Riv provided with my Hobson Zingo (is that right?) Allen key that remains 
>> on the bike's head tube and then temporarily set my 4 or 5mm key handy and 
>> (ideally) have a seat post with a fore and aft screw for the adjustment. 
>>
>> I recall an old video of Eddy Merckx micro adjusting his saddle height 
>> while out on a ride. Makes me feel just like Eddy. 
>>
>> - Chris 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 9:26:36 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I believe that it all depends on your riding posture in the angle of 
>>> which your pelvis and your seat bones rest on the saddle. See attachment 
>>> diagram. 
>>>
>>> It is a personal choice and preference as much as one's bum is different 
>>> from the next person's. 
>>>
>>> I ride in an upright riding position my Clem with my B66S saddle's nose 
>>> titled up slightly. I wear padded cycling shorts. 
>>>
>>> Kim Hetzel
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 7:28:13 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I was going to speak along similar lines, perhaps not as forthrightly. 
 But I found angle more critical on Brookses for some reason than on any 
 other saddle, including other leather makes.

 After trying several B 17s, a B 17N, a Champion Flyer, and a Pro, the 
 one Brooks that I found comfortable *(very* comfortable except for 
 tilt adjustment) was the Pro -- the others chafed or pressed or obtruded. 
 I 
 positioned the Pro tilted slightly up on a bike with drop bar below 
 saddle. 
 But I could never get the tilt just right, and I had a rather nice 
 seatpost 
 with separate angle adjustment bolt that allowed stepless adjustment. With 
 the slippery surface I was either sliding forward onto the bar or feeling 
 pressure, and after I had commuted on it for 18 or 24 months or so I went 
 back to original issue 

[RBW] Re: ISO: Berthoud Aspin / Aravis in brown or honey (natural)

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Brian, 
Yep! I am slowly replacing B17s with Aspin/Aravis saddles.

Three down, four to go,
Joe in GJT

On Wednesday, October 25, 2023 at 9:16:52 AM UTC-6 RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

> I realize this is probably a long-shot, but if anyone here has one of 
> these that wasn't quite for them, and maybe looking to unload it, I am 
> interested. After using these saddles for several years now, I've found 
> that it's hard not having them on all my bikes.
>
> thanks!
>
> Brian
> Lex KY
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Re: [RBW] Re: Single Speed (QB/SO/RU..) Questions

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Here is what I did with my first-batch, 2005-era Quickbeam. Gearing from 46 
to 71 inches.  This serves me well on the rolling pavement and gravel of 
western Colorado. But big climbs have me wishing for a derailer.  
Quickbeam | 60cm Rivendell Quickbeam, shown here in multi-ge… | Flickr 


I have a fixed and freewheel rear wheels for this bike. I wouldn't sell 
mine for less than $2000. I have significantly more than that into it, 
including all the gear planning.

Lots of frames can be converted to an IGH drivetrain. The Quickbeam, with 
its multi-single speed versatility, can be too of course but loses its 
uniqueness in the process.

Anyone interested in a fixed wheel for your Quickbeam/Simpleone? At 67 
years old, I am hardly riding it.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 11:20:00 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, +1. The old standby AW (or whatever they call it nowadays) works well 
> if you use a big cog and a small ring so that the 33% overdrive is your 
> flatland, hard-surface cruising gear. Direct and underdrive then give you a 
> decent if slow offroad gear and a climbing gear. Example: If you set up 
> direct for a 50" or so gear, 133% overdrive will give you a roughly 67" 
> cruising gear and 75% underdrive a 38" uphill gear. 
>
> I recall riding through deep streams on an AW-equipped bike and seeing the 
> water drain out of the hub upon reaching the far bank. I didn't keep the 
> bike very long, but as long as I kept it this made no difference to the 
> performance of the hub. Proper shifter adjustment and a bit of lightish oil 
> over so often is all that this hub needs to keep going.
>
> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 8:50 AM Will Boericke  wrote:
>
>> Were it me, I'd be inclined to build an IGH rear wheel for it.  I have a 
>> Sturmey Archer 3sp path racer that is one of my favorite bikes right now, 
>> and I commute on an 8sp Nexus IGH that is not light, but works well.  You 
>> could have an attractive frame that is also a practical family rider that 
>> way.
>>
>>
>> Will, fan of the IGH
>>
>> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 8:11:49 PM UTC-4 jasonz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So as its been posted, I'm selling my Quickbeam, but even with "too low" 
>>> prices, its still not moving.  I also have options to figured out how to 
>>> tow my newest addition and I can make space/have the space so who cares.  
>>> The big concern for me is riding it and I don't find myself jumping on it 
>>> as often as I'd like.  Partially due to the epic mtn bike scene immediately 
>>> around me and my newly rebuilt bombora that I absolutely love.  That said, 
>>> It would be fun to hit the trails on a QB and I have a pass rack and 
>>> some bags I'd like to use to do some camping with my twin boys (7) and the 
>>> SS would be a nice way to enjoy the trip out to the woods with them.  
>>>
>>> The question I pose is what gear options do you all enjoy.  I've dug 
>>> into the internets and I'm sure there is a post or 100 on this here already 
>>> but I figured with the upcoming roduno and its many possibilities, this 
>>> might be a fun chat to dig into.
>>>
>>> I'm currently at 48-18 and its great climbing around rural gravel roads 
>>> in the midwest but now I'm in steeper hills its a bear-cat.
>>>
>>> Thanks xo
>>> Jason Cheap QB For Sale.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Your cyclist vs. motorist war/horror stories

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I was a teenager during the 1970s bike boom and loved riding my 10 speed 
everywhere. I rode for fun, fitness, socializing, commuting, errands, and 
eventually competition. I came to believe the bicycle could help transform 
our culture, bringing a more humane pace to our lives. I no longer believe 
that. Bicycles alone will not change the trajectory of this society.

I am now becoming an old man and can see the last of my days not so far 
ahead. Time is more precious. I no longer ride on the road very often and 
rarely for pleasure because it just isn't a pleasure. Cell phones and other 
forms of distracted driving are a huge threat today. Road rage and 
intentional acts of violence seem to be increasing. I do not want to spend 
valuable time being frightened or outraged or bullied.  

I am lucky to live where there are many high-quality, off-road options and 
that is where I now mostly ride.

When I do ride, I have used some of Pam Bikes' techniques. I always ride 
with a mirror and try to stay fully alert of my surroundings. I have 
reflective clothing and reflectors on my frame, racks, rims, crankarms, 
helmet. I use lights except in full daylight. I always acknowledge 
courteous driving with a nod or wave and a smile. I make eye contact all 
the time. I smile at them a lot and am no longer surprised at how often 
they smile back. I do not engage with angry drivers. I never raise my hands 
from the handlebars in anger, though I may engage my brake lever with one 
strong middle finger.  I carry pepper spray and a knife all the time.

This is not the world I imagined as a new-riding teenager. But it is the 
world we have helped build and have inherited. 

Joe Ramey in Grand Junction

On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 11:40:22 PM UTC-6 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I haven't read all the posts except the first one but couple of things...  
> I teach Cycling Savvy (
> https://cyclingsavvy.org/event/3-part-workshop-charlotte-nc-oct-21-23/2022-10-21/)
>  which 
> teaches communication and cooperation.  I never use the one finger salute, 
> I always use the friendly wave and smile tactic.  (I don't give anyone the 
> power to ruin my ride.)  But before that I communicate in four redundant 
> ways.  1) Lane selection - using the lane for my intended direction, i.e. 
> the left lane if I'm making a L.  2) Lane positioning - positioning myself 
> for my direction of travel, i.e. in the left side of the lane if I'm 
> turning right.  3) Shoulder check - this helps build empathy by humanizing 
> yourself.  You have a life which is valuable.  And this acknowledges the 
> motorists presence.  4) Signaling - your next move.  In the original post, 
> I'd have signaled either R or L.  If I'm not making a turn and I do not 
> want to release the lane or can't release the lane, I'd hold up my pointer 
> finger indicating I need a second.  Communicating helps defuse a possibly 
> tense situation.  While this is not fool proof, it generally works most of 
> the time.  I ride daily.  I ride wherever I need to go.  And mostly I have 
> 95% good experiences.  The bad ones I chalk up to people who are frustrated 
> being trapped in a car.  And they'd be having a bad day and honking at me 
> even if I were driving a car.  Aggression is not b/c you are on a bike.  It 
> may be b/c they are in a car.  Of course, I get a few honks.  But I've 
> never had anything thrown at me.  Please come to Charlotte, NC and ride 
> w/me and you'll see.  I take people riding all the time and they say 
> they've never had such a good experience.  And when I rode the last 5 days 
> across NC (365 miles), it was basically the same.  And my goal then was to 
> get full lane change passes and I think I got about 90%.   
> https://ridewithgps.com/collections/58792
>
> I hope this doesn't come across the wrong way.  We have all experienced 
> aggression.  It is real.  I hope this helps.
>
> On Sunday, October 9, 2022 at 10:01:54 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> RBW content - I owe my 1998 Rivendell LongLow Custom to getting doored in 
>> west Berkeley. I was coming back from (high carbohydrate) lunch at 
>> Jack-in-da-Box and was pedaling my lugged steel Centurion past parked cars 
>> when a door swung open and caught me in the ribs - immediate full stop. A 
>> painful injury, entirely not my fault. Long story short, the car driver's 
>> insurance company agreed to a cash settlement, and I poured it it into a 
>> custom RBW frame (and full set of components). The LongLow is still in the 
>> stable.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your preferred non-leather saddle

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I am with Robert, the WTB Pure V has similarities to the B17 (and my 
favorite saddle, the Berthoud Aspin/Aravis). The Pure V has a dip fore-aft, 
and a flat back. 

Joe, Berthoud butt, Ramey in GJT

On Thursday, September 22, 2022 at 8:41:39 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> B-17’s work really well for me but I do use non-leather saddles on most 
> bikes these days. The WTB Pure V is my favorite and I have a few stashed 
> for future use. The Fabric Scoop Flat and Specialized Romin also work for 
> me.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 22, 2022, at 11:39 AM, zem...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> I have tried and failed for years to love and get comfortable on leather 
> saddles. I've really put in the miles so I'm fairly certain that this isn't 
> a "break in period" issue. I've been through a couple Brooks and Stelle 
> Anatomica. 
>
>
> I'd like to get some non-leather saddles a try but there are so many it's 
> hard to know where to start. I'm riding a San Marcos (similar to Homer or 
> Roadini) with an Albatross bar about an inch above the saddle. 
>
> Do you have a favourite non-leather saddle that's comfortable for you in a 
> similar riding configuration?
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

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"A Clem" https://youtu.be/lmWFrMq3qNY?t=1194
from the future past

Joe


On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 7:06:56 PM UTC-6 Doug H. wrote:

> Another Clem vote here. They've seen a Platypus so show them another 
> Rivendell beauty.
> Doug
>
> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 8:58:38 PM UTC-4 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I think the Clem is the way. Maybe you're a little slower this week and 
>> they can wait a minute, maybe Leah Peterson is a maniac who's just as fast 
>> on a Clem! Let's find out!!!
>>
>> On Monday, May 30, 2022 at 3:02:02 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 
>>> This thread has been so fun for me to write, but I keep thinking, what 
>>> really else is there to say? We have covered the bases by now; we wondered 
>>> if a Raspberry Platypus could become a Racing Platypus, considered the 
>>> controversy, battled insecurities, confronted our (my) own preconceived 
>>> ideas, learned some new things from the racers. It’s been an adventure for 
>>> me, and thank you! But today, wouldn’t you know, I’ve got another bit of 
>>> conversation for your consideration.
>>>
>>> Last week I realized my rear tire was dripping sealant. A myriad of tiny 
>>> pin-prick holes that I have never noticed revealed themselves as my Racing 
>>> Platypus hung, inert on the wall. The only reason I caught it was that my 
>>> poor Shopping Platypus below it was catching the dripping sealant. Below: 
>>> left, front tire, with its tread still decent. Right, the rear tire, wet 
>>> and holey and with very worn tread.
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> Turns out, the tire is toast. The rubber is thin enough that it is not 
>>> holding the sealant, and it is leaking through in minuscule holes and 
>>> tears. I never thought it would be worn out already - I’d never have 
>>> checked. I can’t tell you how many miles it took to make this happen 
>>> because I don’t track miles per bike - I just have a running total of 
>>> ridden miles. And between 2021-present, that number is…well, never mind, 
>>> because the calculator app crashed and I’m not totaling them up again. BUT, 
>>> the tires are only a year and a few month old! I got 5 years out of the 
>>> Betty Foy tires before I sat next to it one day and noticed this:
>>> [image: image2.jpeg]
>>>
>>> The bike shop had nothing as wide or even close as the 44 mm tires on 
>>> the Racing Platypus, and the Ultradynamico tires I ultimately settled on 
>>> haven’t yet shipped. I hope they’re good! I got the gray 42 mm Cava Race. 
>>>
>>> But what am I going to take to club rides this week? I can’t see taking 
>>> the Racing Platypus without new tires. The other contenders: A 2019 
>>> Rivendell Clem L and the 2020 Shopping Platypus. Both are heavy. Neither is 
>>> set up for speed. Good grief, look at these two:
>>>
>>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>>
>>> [image: image3.jpeg]
>>>
>>> You are thinking, just strip the Shopping Plat and ride that. Ah, but 
>>> the lights are attached to the racks, so those stay and they are HEAVY. 
>>> That Platypus is the heaviest of my trio! I can strip bags, but how much 
>>> does that really help? The gearing is different on it; it is a 1x and the 
>>> gearing is not as “right” as my Racing Plat. I don’t have technical terms 
>>> for this - I can only say that the Rivendell drive train always gives me 
>>> the “right” gear - the Shopping Plat often feels too hard or too easy. I 
>>> don’t want to be fiddling around with that while chasing club riders. But 
>>> that isn’t even the deal-killer for me…
>>>
>>> It’s that basket. 
>>>
>>> Listen, I have weathered the silent prejudice as I wheeled the Racing 
>>> Platypus to the huddle. The Saddlesack and Billie Bars always invoke 
>>> judgment in this scenario, but a BASKET. I don’t think I can do it.
>>>
>>> That leaves the Clem. A bike that Grant, while extolling its virtues and 
>>> its versatility, said, “Just don’t take it on your club rides or anything.” 
>>> The Clem, with its ultra-high and proud Bosco Bars and its step-through, 
>>> beefy frame. I shudder to think of what they will think. I don’t even know 
>>> how fast I can ride it. I think maybe fast because it was my only bike 
>>> during 2020 and I rode it hard. But, it is unproven at club rides and I’ve 
>>> got hesitation.
>>>
>>> I don’t know which bike to take for certain, but you are free to send 
>>> your advice and/or regards.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Joe T  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Another great story by Leah! From Vegas to Michigan life. Beautiful 
>>> Michigan, enjoy!
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:25:24 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Kevin,

 Their slow group was slow. I was glad to be in the faster class on the 
 women’s ride. I kept pace, rode in 2nd and 3rd position, and it wasn’t 
 effortless. I don’t think I will fall victim to the Lycra; I’m perfectly 
 happy with the workout wear I find at Target - highly recommend their All 
 In Motion brand, 

[RBW] Re: For Sale: Riv Silver Triple Crankset

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Nice sales pitch Bill

On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:58:00 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I've already gotten two trade offers for 173's so let's call these 
> claimed. 
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 7:26:53 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> You just ordered a smallish Rivendell frameset and don't have a crankset 
>> picked out.  All you know is that all the Rivendell Silver models are sold 
>> out in the shortest 170mm length.  Bummer!
>>
>> Well, I just parted out a small Rivendell, and so I've got a 170mm triple 
>> crankset available.  This one is kind of extra special in Riv-Street-Cred, 
>> because it is not 44/34/24 like the current Rivendell triple.  It's got the 
>> rings of the original Rivendell Silver offering: 43/35/24.  That's super 
>> weird and awesome.  Nobody will know, and you'll forget.  Riv themselves 
>> know it doesn't really matter.  They did odd chainring sizes just to be 
>> different.  
>>
>> Wait for the next shipment of Silver cranks and pay $250 (or whatever 
>> they actually cost) -OR- buy mine for $200 shipped in the US.  
>>
>> Pics prove they are essentially un-used.  I didn't even wipe 'em off 
>> yet.  Here's the link to my "stuff for sale" flickr album.  Scroll to the 
>> bottom.  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
>>
>> ALSO, if you have a Riv Silver crankset in 173mm and just want to trade 
>> arms for arms, let me know and I'll do that.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Which rims did Rivendell endorse in the early days?

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I replied to Andrew when I meant to reply to the group. In Riv catalog 
number 3 from summer 1997, they sold one rim, the MA2 for $34.

On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:01:01 AM UTC-6 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Andrew, I am not sure what Rivendell suggested but on my early Riv 700c 
> bikes I always used Mavic MA2 I believe.  
>
> On Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-4 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> Specifically, on the road models. I'm pretty sure my dad's Rambouillet 
>> has some Araya's but I'm not sure what model. If anyone knows specifics, 
>> I'm all ears. 
>>
>> Backstory: I have a wheelset with nice hubs I want to reuse but the rims 
>> have lived a life already. I'm fine with A23's or something similarly 
>> modern, but NOS always peaks my interest. Plus, these older caliper brakes 
>> seem to gel a little better with the narrower rims of their era since the 
>> spring gets to contract a little more.  
>>
>> Cheers! 
>> Andrew
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

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Leah, I am not surprised that a fit young woman, such as you, could keep up 
with the more 'serious' riders on more 'serious' bikes. I have come to 
understand, experientially and anecdotally, that once you are in an 
efficient position on a well-functioning bike, the bike is just not that 
important for non-sprinting speed.

What does surprise me is your willingness to be the outlier, the 
non-conformist, to stretch yourself into an unfamiliar situation. That is 
true strength and speaks to your depth of character. Excellent, most 
excellent.

Joe 'be more like Leah' Ramey in GJT

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:10:18 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
> Leah can hang. 
>
> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
> but there it was.
>
> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 miles 
> and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position but I 
> was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people and to 
> let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of wildlife. 
> Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the group. I 
> got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” comments, 
> and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a carbon bike. 
> They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They marveled at my 
> kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to ride with them.
>
> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>
> 2. Bringing your practical, Just Ride mentality to a club is good. 
> It seems racer types don’t know about USING a bike. You cannot have your 
> carbon frame knocked about in a bike rack, so errands by bike/commuting 
> isn’t popular. I have been 

[RBW] Re: Peace Wheel T-shirt

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Doug, I received mine today and will wear it for our spring weather this 
weekend. A nice tshirt, an important message.

Joe in Grand Junction

On Wednesday, March 23, 2022 at 4:20:23 PM UTC-6 dougP wrote:

> The Peace Wheel T-shirt I ordered when they were fist available shipped on 
> Monday & arrived today (Wednesday).  Absolutely great service.  The shirt 
> looks as good as it does in their on-line photos.
>
> Thanks Rivendell for supporting Ukraine!
>
> dougP
>

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Re: [RBW] Why did you buy your first Riv?

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In 1994 I bought an MB-1 and loved it. I had a friend, Matt Caruso, that 
worked at Bridgestone in the early 1990s; perhaps he steered me to the IBOB 
group. I loved the 1992-1993-1994 Bridgestone catalogs and longed for the 
quirky XO-1. As Bridgestone folded and Rivendell emerged, I was sad to miss 
the XO but excited about the Rivendell All-Rounder. I ordered one in 1995 
and received it in early 1996. 

Then I replaced my Fuso (Dave Moulton, the anti-Grant Peterson) road bike 
with a road custom in May 2001. I bought a first generation Quickbeam I 
believe in 2009, and a Legolas in 2011. The XO-1 and All-Rounder have gone 
on to other good owners. Of my Rivs, the Legolas gets ridden the most, now 
with a low-trail fork and handlebar bag. I love the Quickbeam but it may 
need to go to someone who will use it often.

Joe in Grand Junction

On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I had been idly considering a Hillborne for quite some time because it 
> checked all the boxes for me on capability, and I was Riv-curious for a 
> couple years but enjoyed my Soma too.  I naively thought that when the 2019 
> batch of Hillbornes were gone, they'd never be back or at least never be 
> back the same, since at that point all the other models had massively long 
> rear ends and I wasn't ready for that. So I impulsively bought the 
> third-to-last Sam from that batch (of the last size and colour available, 
> orange 51) before it was too late. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, 13 December 2021 at 09:48:56 UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> I know Bicycling did a short review of the all-rounder in the nineties; 
>> might have been Jim Langley and Addison Wilhite who wrote the Rambler blog 
>> scanned many early Rivendell reviews. I rather like this review of the Riv 
>> Road by Garrett Lai of Bicycle Guide who had a stable of really good writers
>>
>> https://www.addisonwilhite.com/uploads/4/0/1/2/40122449/rivendell_road_review_-_1996.pdf
>>  
>>
>> Me - 1993 X0-1 - lover of old B-stone catalogues with their art and 
>> writing and rather nice production bikes, but not as fancy as the Rivs
>>
>> 1997 - green all-rounder 
>>
>> late 2000 Curt Goodrich custom harvest gold road bike
>>
>> early 2017 ordered Dec 31 2015 Mark Nobilette  maroon custom mixte
>>
>> Still have all 4 bikes...my one material extravagance 
>>
>> Love their ethos and earlier classic sensibility and they're lovely 
>> people. I like it that their newer stuff is a lot more affordable and it's 
>> clearly making people very happy
>>
>> On Monday, December 13, 2021 at 10:52:58 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone can find this review and post it or a link to it, I'd be very 
>>> grateful. 
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 8:01 PM  wrote:
>>>
 I read a review of a Riv Road in Bicycling magazine in the late 90’s 
 and that review led me to research Rivendell bicycles. That research led 
 me 
 to the BOB group which soon lead to a custom order for an All Rounder 
 being 
 placed. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: How do you track your mileage?

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Ride With GPS. It is a free and simple app and does a good job tracking my 
rides.  https://ridewithgps.com/users/1311744

Joe in GJT

On Saturday, December 15, 2018 at 3:15:22 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>
> Bill’s thread on cycling goals made me realize that I don’t have an easy 
> and consistent method of tracking my mileage.  With the new year upon us, 
> I’d like to find a good way to track bike mileage across 3 bikes that I 
> ride pretty evenly.  So, how do you all track your mileage on the bike? 
>  I’m looking for any suggestions for products, cel phone holders, apps, 
> websites, whatever will make it easy to track over the year across multiple 
> bikes. 
>
> Thanks. 
> John

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[RBW] FS: Big Agnes Copper spur UL 1 person tent

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This is my favorite tent. I have the UL1 & UL2. It has vertical walls, plenty 
of length and sit-up height for my 6ft frame, a good vestibule, free standing. 
There are slightly lighter tents that are semi-free standing. This is a good 
value especially with the ground cloth. Recommended.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

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My cold weather head protection does not appear to have been mentioned yet. 
I tape-cover the holes of my helmet. This can be varied for different 
temperature regimes by taping just some of the holes. For instance I 
currently have just the top two lines of holes taped over, with the side 
holes still open for ventilation. This works well for temperatures from 
35-50F. As we head into December I will cover all holes. For rides below 
25F or so I add a headband, a thin wool hat underneath, or thin balaclava. 
For my ears, I use earbags.

Joe, a mirror and winter tape make my helmet essential riding gear which I 
think is never a bad thing, Ramey in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

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Hi Eric,

I am 6' 1/2" with a PBH of 89.2cm so just s smidge lower than you. When I 
bought a custom Riv Road in 2001, Grant put me on a 61.5cm frame. It is 
still superbly comfortable. I have since bought a 60cm Quickbeam and a 62cm 
Legolas. I like the 62cm better.

As for cockpit position, I continue to evolve towards shorter reach. Part 
of this came from more time on dirt. There I need more body english to 
handle the more challenging terrain. Jeff Jones alludes to this in the 
first 1.5 minutes of this video https://youtu.be/Ndt8Di_TjJE  This has 
started to bleed into my road position where I am now unsure of the 
advantage of a stretched position. Even my lower body position has changed 
with the use of catalyst pedals. These big long pedals have basically 
shifted my feet forward 2-4cm. This seems comfortable and efficient at 
least in the dirt.

So there are rules out there that can put you in that preferred position. 
That's a starting point but I suggest you feel free to deviate, even a lot. 
On my garage wall are these formulas, originally from Grant I believe: 
Frame size = PBH in cm x .69; Saddle height = PBH x .883  I like my dirt 
bike saddle height a cm shorter or so.

Joe in GJT

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 12:08:22 PM UTC-6, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Up until about a month ago I rode 58cm sized bikes, in varying degrees of 
> (dis)comfort.  Then I started riding my new significantly larger Sam 
> Hillborne and realized all my older bikes are too small, so I've basically 
> decided to replace one of my old bikes with something similar (mid-80s 
> sport tourer) in a larger size, and sell the rest.  Now I'm trying to 
> figure out that sizing.
>
>  
>
> I'm a little over 6'1" (187cm) and long in the torso but with only normal 
> length arms, according to my dress shirts.  So to paraphrase an old joke, 
> my arms aren't quite long enough to reach the handlebars, and I need an 
> extra couple cm of handlebar/stem height to compensate. 
>
>  
>
> My PBH is 89.5 cm.  According to Rivendell, my saddle height should be 
> 78-79cm, and my starting frame size should be 62-64 cm (The Sam is 
> different because it is an expanded frame).  For whatever reason, that 
> saddle height is not comfortable and I tend to use something a couple cm 
> shorter.  (Possibly because I keep my feet further forward on the pedal?) 
>
>  
>
> On the Sam I have Albatross bars and love them, but would like to have a 
> second bike with a different cockpit.  Stretching forward has generally not 
> been as comfortable to me as riding in the drops against a headwind, so I 
> am hoping that a larger frame, plus a short reach stem (I'd try one of 
> Analog's w(Right) stems if they were cheaper), and short reach drops like 
> the Soma Highway 1 bar might add up to something comfortable.
>
>  
>
> If you have a similar body challenges, or a preference for a slightly 
> shorter saddle height, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experience 
> on bike sizing.  Ditto for drop bars.  I know I'm going to have to try 
> riding a number of different bikes, but I'd like to start out trying the 
> right size.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Problem with Roadinis?

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I ordered a Riv Road custom in 2001, designed for 28mm tires, 32mm max, 
because who needs bigger road tires than that? (Times have changed, 
thoughts evolved. :-)) The frame came looking beautiful. But my Dura Ace 
7400 rear brake wouldn't reach the rim. Like PatrickM my rear brake bridge 
was too high. After discussing with Grant, I ground the bottom of my brake 
caliper to get it to fit. It has been no problem for the last 17 years. As 
Eamon pointed out I am now frustrated that my rear wheel can take a Jack 
Brown tire and the front cannot. I wish Rivendell had made that mistake on 
the front brake spacing too!

To comment on G.E.'s experience, I have found different tires to make a 
average speed difference. Perhaps that's some of the difference? From my 
experience, differences in other components or normal, not extreme, frame 
variations would create no more than some small fraction of a mph speed 
difference, if any.

Joe in GJT

On Saturday, September 22, 2018 at 9:39:14 PM UTC-6, Alan H wrote:
>
> I talked to Vince at Riv again today. So apparently the issue is that the 
>> bike was designed with the bridge as far away as possible to max out the 57 
>> mm brakes. Unfortunately the bridge was made with the bridge 1 mm too far 
>> out so that the pads won't quite clear the tire without filing out the hole 
>> a bit (like Patrick mentioned doing on his custom). 
>>
>
> Based on the feedback I got here and from Vince and from carefully 
> considering what I really want, I've opted to just wait until the in-spec 
> frames are delivered in November or December. I'm lucky to have a Clem and 
> a Homer to ride in the mean time so I'll wait for the road bike that I 
> really want rather than settle for something just because I can get it now.
>
> Thanks to you all for helping me work through this and from helping me not 
> make the decision I would regret!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Recommendation for small tire pump

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I just had to use my mini Silca for the first time in a few years. I was (re) 
impressed with it. A good solid little expanding pump.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F272918372856

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: How rusty does the inside of a frame get without rust proofing? This rusty.

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I personally have seen one steel frame fail from rust. It belonged to a Cat 
II racer from the Seattle area, so I assume she rode the bike without 
fenders rain or shine, regularly the latter. She replaced it with a 
titanium frame.

Joe in GJT where we could really use some rust producing liquid falling 
from the sky right about now

On Sunday, July 1, 2018 at 11:35:07 AM UTC-6, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> We had a conversation about a month back about Frame Saver and similar 
> products, and how important they are. I ended up cutting up a frame for an 
> unrelated project this week, so I can offer a little bit of insight. Or at 
> least some photos!
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/LbF8eMQdD5c51dVv5
>
> This is a 1987 Centurion Ironman Expert made from Tange No. 1, aka SAE 
> 4130. Almost all steel bikes are made from 4130 or something *very* similar 
> these days, so this tubeset is nicely representative. 
>
> The bike was never treated with framesaver or anything else, and was 
> ridden on and off for 30 years. I believe it spent the whole time in 
> California. Most recently it was ridden around San Francisco, so fairly 
> humid, moderate temperatures, some salt in the air.
>
> I've been feeling bad about not Frame Saver-ing my Velo Routier for a year 
> and a half. I'm gonna stop feeling bad now. 
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>

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[RBW] Re: 26er vs 29er

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The bike you have is the perfect bike for your next tour. 

That said if you are buying new, my experience is 29+ wheels are cushioned, 
confidence-inspiring, rolls-over-anything fun. My three off-road bikes have 
29x3, 26x3 or 4, and 26x2.75. The 26ers are lighter, quicker, more jarring. 
I choose the 29x3 just about every ride. 

Wheel size should also be a direct function of frame/rider size.

Joe in GJT who rode road this Saturday morning.

On Saturday, June 9, 2018 at 11:59:12 AM UTC-6, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> Alright y'all, help me work out this inner quandary I've had over getting 
> a new bike or not (to replace one in my stable). The demo Hunqs shown on 
> the blug are really making my insides jump at the thought of a 29er Hunq 
> for offroad riding/bikepacking.
>
> I have 4 bikes, and I've tried specializing each (to an extent) because in 
> essence 3 of them are all-rounder type frames. I've turned one of them, a 
> 26er XO-1 clone, into my off-road tourer. 2.1" knobbies for trails, RTP for 
> roads/gravel, frame bag, front panniers, Swift saddle bag, On-One Mary bars 
> + Ergon grips, the whole getup. Recently I've been dabbling into resources 
> around 27.5 and 29er bikes for bikepacking (i.e. Surly Bridge Club and 
> Hunq), feeling that my 26er might not be the best choice nowadays in 
> today's landscape of bike options, falling short in the jack-of-all-trades 
> master-of-none kind of way.
>
> What I keep telling myself is the old adage that really, any bike will do 
> the trick (for the most part), and that my 26er XO-1 clone is a fine bike 
> for off-road touring. Plus, people rode (and ride) 26" MTBs for a lng 
> time and all was good. I don't ride offroad *that* much, but nowadways 
> when I plan multi-day trips they're geared toward mixed terrain**. I don't 
> doubt that a jump from my XO-1 clone to a Hunq would in itself make a huge 
> difference in ride quality, but in terms of wheel size, would swapping to a 
> 29er really make that big a difference?
>
> Thank you for your insight!
>
> Erik in Philly
>
> **Right now I'm in the midst of planning to ride a portion of the Idaho 
> Hot Springs MTB route in September.
>

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[RBW] Re: What do Riv riders like for front low rider racks?

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Darin,

I am curious, why are you trying to avoid the Tubus mid fork clamps? Do 
they damage the fork or create problems?  I haven't used them but am 
loosely considering them for a performance-bike 
tour. 
https://www.jejamescycles.com/tubus-fork-blade-clip-hks3988.html?___store=us

Thanks,
Joe in GJT

On Saturday, June 2, 2018 at 12:27:42 PM UTC-6, DarinM wrote:
>
> I’m working on a solution for a Tara on my early-2000’s Atlantis w 
> mid-fork eyelets positioned for a 32F rack. They are too high for a level 
> Tara by about 65mm, quite a ways. 
>
> I am trying to avoid the Tubus clamp-on things so am working on some drop 
> down brackets to bridge the gap. Hopefully will have something done this 
> week 
>
> Darin

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[RBW] Re: Clicking noise -- About to lose my mind.

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Nathan,

I had a similar insanity-producing click a few years ago. After much 
systemic searching, eliminating one variable at a time, it turned out to be 
a water bottle bolt that was not lubed and not tight enough.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, May 25, 2018 at 5:52:06 PM UTC-6, Nathan Neuberger wrote:
>
> I'm in need of some help with an aggravating problem. Several years ago my 
> bike developed a clicking sound. It occurs at the same spot in the crank 
> rotation. Curiously, the click does not always happen (sometimes its 
> sleeping), but tends to wake up most often during a climb or when I'm 
> hauling a load. But it occurs during easy riding as well.
>
>
> This winter, my bike was in need of some TLC, so I replaced the chain, 
> cassette, chainring set (but not the crank arms) and the bottom bracket. 
> Overhauled the hubs too. That covered almost every moving part, so I 
> figured that would solve it. Nope.
>
>
> I think it is likely a pedal issue. The clicking only occurs when my right 
> pedal is at about 12:00 (about to start a downstroke) and under relatively 
> heavy pressure. Just pedaling with my left foot does not seem to trigger 
> the click.
>
>
> Bike is a Rivendell Homer Hilsen (2009-ish).  The pedals are MKS grip 
> kings. I took off both pedals, cleaned them, replaced all bearings, and put 
> in tons of grease. I did not see or feel any issues with the races. The 
> click is still there, and seems to have gotten a little worse since I 
> overhauled the pedals. Could the click be caused by the pedal cone being 
> too tight?
>
>
> Any other ideas?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 57 vs 61 Roadini

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I have a 89.2cm PBH and am 6ft. When I ordered a Riv custom road, Grant put me 
on a 61.5cm frame. I can't imagine why you would ride a 57.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Your favorite Rivendell?

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>
> I have had an early AllRounder, Riv Road Standard, Quickbeam, and Legolas. 
>

While I enjoyed the AllRounder for its versatility, this was overrun by 
other more versatile (read larger tire capacity) frames over the years. And 
I bought it too small. It has found a new home.

The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It disappears 
underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, handles 
superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design for my 
body and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The Road 
Standard is my favorite Rivendell bike.

The Quickbeam's is unique for its multi single gear design. On longer rides 
I really enjoy the QB and its a fun around town cruiser too. It doesn't 
handle as well as the Riv Road but it is very nice. my choice of front 
basket, components, and gears just make it pleasing and useful. The 
Quickbeam is my favorite Rivendell bike.

The Legolas is unique for its fanciful lugs and wonderful greyhound 
handling. The bike loves to go! It's a great climber. It has a lighter 
feel, a certain springiness. It accepts bigger 38mm tires. it easily 
accepts fenders. Still it lacks *something* that the Riv Road has. It has a 
73 degree seat tube, one degree steeper than the others, so my saddle rides 
on the front of its rails. What it lacks, it compensates with the ability 
to do mixed-surface rides and handle poor weather with grace. The Legolas 
is my favorite Rivendell bike.

Joe, multitude of riches, in GJT

>

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[RBW] Re: FS - Orange Quickbeam complete - 64 c-to-c

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I have an original green QB and have coveted the orange. The 64cm would be at 
the tip top of my 89cm PBH threshold, but I will pass. QB/SO are fun, 
surprisingly versatile bikes. Recommended.

Joe, who used all my Legolas gears on today's ride through the Colorado 
National Monument, in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam vs Roadeo/Legolas

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John,

I have a Quickbeam and Legolas and they are very different bikes. 

The Q is fun as you describe, but it behaves like the touring bike it is. 
The tubing is stout and feels it. Visually the lugs are understated and the 
paint is tough and relatively thick. 

The Legolas on the other hand is a racing bike with lighter tubes. The bike 
jumps with any input. It climbs wonderfully. Visually the lugs are fanciful 
and the paint enhances them. It is not up to a Joe Bell paint job that I 
have on another bike, but it approaches.

If memory serves, the handling was similar but I have long since changed 
the Legolas to low trail.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7832253824/in/dateposted-public/lightbox/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6922766182/in/dateposted-public/ 
with the original fork

Joe in GJT

On Monday, April 16, 2018 at 7:49:40 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:

> Hi, 
>
> I’ve been really enjoying my new-to-me Quickbeam. I love the simplicity of 
> its single speed setup, but its geometry, handling, and ride quality (and 
> my particular fit on a 62cm) have truly impressed me. 
>
> I’m looking to take my aged Mercian Superlight out of heavy rotation, and 
> I’ve been pondering a Roadeo for a few years. I’m curious if anyone has 
> experience with both a Quickbeam AND a Roadeo (or Legolas), and would like 
> to share their thoughts. And yes, I get that one has gears and the other 
> does not. 
>
> It’s also been fun to note the slight similarities between my Atlantis and 
> the Quickbeam. It’s hard to pin it down, but they remind me a bit of each 
> other in the way they ride. A certain calmness, a feeling of predictability 
> and reassurance...then again, it could be my imagination.

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[RBW] Re: Gearing for Quickbeam

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Hi Alan, Deacon is The Man of course. But here is what I did with my Q 
gearing: I used 39/45 chainrings with a 17/21 Dingle and a 23T on the flip 
side of the hub. That gave me 5 useable gears from 46 to 72 inches. Like 
Minh I most often chose a gear and stayed there for the entire ride.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/
Since that picture and description my tires have grown to 32 or 35mm width 
(& thus my gear inches have increased a bit) and I am using freewheels 
instead of fixed. Fixed is pure and all that; freewheels are...well, free.

Joe in GJT

On Thursday, April 5, 2018 at 2:06:23 PM UTC-6, alan lavine wrote:

> Hi All,
> Changing a few things on a new to me QB, and was wondering how others have 
> them set up. For the rear I have a 17/21 dingle that I want to use, but 
> haven't decided about the front. Single or double chainring? 
> Would love to hear what others have used, and for what purpose, I.e. 
> around town, touring, climbing, etc.  My use would be mostly around town, 
> occasional 30-40 mile rides with moderate climbs, but no off road use. 
>  Maybe CC tours in the future.
> Also, how often do you actually change the gears? I wonder if I'd be too 
> lazy to do it often, and just use a geared bike when needed.  So maybe a 
> single up front and dingle in the rear would suffice.
>
> Thanks,
> Alan
> NYC
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Catalyst pedals?

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I bought a second pair and put them on my touring/load carrying bike, a 
Surly LHT. I like them for road cycling too.

Joe in GJT

On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 10:29:03 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:

> Like them!  Today I rode my Sam with Catalysts for the first time.  
> Thoughts:
>
>- They're huge
>- Had to lower my saddle and move it fwd about 2cm
>- Takes some getting used to.  I played around until I found a foot 
>position I could keep.
>- Once I got used to them, I felt I could output more power.  Hips, 
>butt, and upper legs were more engaged than on my smaller Shimano Saint 
>platform pedals, which I rode using a more ball-of-foot traditional style. 
>  
>Standing up and pedaling felt extra powerful with less effort
>- I had no foot arch nor ball of foot pain after my ride.  With 
>traditional pedals and ball-of-foot style pedaling, I could always count 
> on 
>a little bottom-of-foot pain.  I wear running shoes with upgraded stiffer 
>insoles when I ride.
>- Toe strike is an issue on tight turns.  I imagine this is not the 
>pedal to get if you're making a lot of turns.  Not a bother to me since I 
>was on a paved greenway with few reasons to turn sharply
>
> On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 1:06:03 AM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> Thinking of trying them when they come out again in polished silver. 
>> Wonder if the blue color matches a Rambouillet.
>>
>> 1. How do you like your Catalysts?
>> 2. How have they changed your riding?
>> 3. Do they make your bike feel easier to pedal down the road?
>> 4. Have they helped alleviate any foot probs you had with regular pedals?
>>
>

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[RBW] How do ye determine your saddle height.

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Yes, for spd pedals, PBH-11cm works for me. For thin flats, like VP001 or Vice 
or Catalyst, it is PBH-12 to 13cm. The obvious variables are shoe thickness, 
your flexibility, and riding style. I would think those variables wouldn't 
change saddle height by more than 1cm and probably less.

Joe, who has drunk the Catalyst pedal kool aid and will be selling other fine 
pedals here, in GJT. 

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[RBW] Re: Have a sub 40 lb Atlantis?

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I love the playful yet pointed title of this thread Bill. :-) I want to see 
your wondrous Atlantis; unfortunately your link doesn't work for me.

I do understand the baseline method of weighing an unladen bike. But the 
truth is my bikes never leave the house without repair kit, pump, water, 
and often various other clothes, food, phone, etc. And has often been 
pointed out, I can't tell the difference between full or empty water 
bottles.

Joe and his massive bikes in GJT


On Saturday, February 17, 2018 at 8:14:28 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote:

> ~38 as she sits (some water and some "stuff" in the bag):
>
>
> https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNvGaoqxbsU-lkuTFlh4R1Ep05E4rxolehRTgoJ
>
> Bill Schairer
>

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[RBW] Re: A Homer Hilsen vs LHT - Will I notice a difference?

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Drew, I have a LHT but have never ridden a AHH. I do also have a Rivendell road 
custom, a Legolas, and a Quickbeam. I love the LHT as my pickup truck 
equivalent. It shines with a load. Where it seems lacking is for hard-effort, 
spirited riding. The bike actually fights hard efforts. The Quickbeam also does 
not encourage hard efforts but does not discourage either. The custom and 
Legolas are a pleasure at any effort level, but their carrying capacity is low. 

The LHT will always have a hook in my garage even when I may chose to let some 
of the other bikes go. That is perhaps because I am 61 years old and 
hammer-head riding is no longer important to me. Utilitarian riding and touring 
are more interesting to me now.

Perhaps part of my love of the LHT is its set up. It's my last bike with 
downtube friction (Mavic) shifters. It also has VO fenders, three Tubus/Nitto 
racks, low-trail handling from a custom Matchak fork, and SP/Luxos U dynamo 
lighting/charging. I also appreciate the 1 1/8 threadless stem over quill 
stems. Finally I like the LHT lack of pedigree. I don't have to worry about the 
paint or be afraid to use it in harsh conditions. It is a fine pickup with a 
certain style and flare that pleases me.

Joe from GJT but currently a care giver in ABQ where a bike ride would be a 
great pleasure right about now

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[RBW] Re: Roadini pics with saddle height? - 61cm and 57cm frames?

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Bob, I too have a 89cm PBH. I cannot imagine why we would choose to ride a 
57cm. When I ordered a custom road frame, Grant put me on a 61.5cm. Here it 
is many years ago with the handlebars at saddle height. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6897752730/in/album-72157607471577085/
When I bought a Legolas, I chose a 62cm frame.  
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5598979996/in/album-72157607471577085/
A 60cm Quickbeam looks like this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/
A 58cm frame with a completely flat top tube but a 2cm head tube extension 
looks like 
this. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/5265783630/in/album-72157607471577085/

Joe in GJT


On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 10:31:07 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:

> I am right at the transition point between the 57cm and 61cm Roadini's 
> (PBH 89cm, seat height 78-79 depending on shoes).
>
> Can someone point me to pictures of a 61cm Roadini that has the saddle 
> height (as pictured) listed?  I suppose the same goes for pictures of a 
> 57cm version, though I have seen some pictures posted and those have been 
> helpful.  
>
> I tend to choose and ride frames on the larger side of any 
> recommendations, as I am used to it and also prefer a mostly level 
> saddle-to-bars relationship without being crazy with seat post or stem. 
>  That said, the relatively higher head tube on the Roadini has me thinking. 
>
> I will go back and study the geometry diagrams again but any pictures of 
> builds would be helpful.
>
> Thanks for any and all help,
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: How do you like your Catalyst pedals?

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I have only had my Catalyst pedals for a couple of weeks so I cannot give a 
full review. But my initial impression is they are the real deal.

I am 6 foot, 180lbs, size 11 shoe and ride most often in the dirt these 
days. I am also 61 years old so I have gone through the circular evolution 
of rubber pedal 'platforms' to toe clips to nailing cleats on Detto Pietros 
to Look clipless to SPD and now back to platforms.

The Catalyst has a foot platform that is just over 5 inches long, compared 
to my other platform pedal, the VP Vice, that is 3.5 inches long. Both 
pedals extend off the crank arm by just over 4 inches. You can find the 
Vice at ~$45 while I got my Catalyst for $90, full retail $100.

I was somewhat skeptical what an extra 1.5 inches of length would do for my 
cycling. I ride in hiking shoes with a stiff sole, Superfeet brand. I have 
also been riding with the pedal's axle well behind the ball of the foot for 
several years. So the move to the Catalyst was somewhat incremental. 

My impression: the Catalyst has shown its significance in very steep dirt 
climbing. I seem to get extra power out of the larger platform. As Pedal 
Innovations say, it feels like I am fully supported while doing the hard 
lift of climbing a steep dirt hill.

The Catalyst comes with two sets of pins with the shorter ones installed. I 
changed out one pedal to the longer pins to compare and liked the 
additional grip. Just yesterday I put the longer pins in the other pedal. 
The pin change takes about an hour for a set of pedals because there are 56 
total pins. That is 14 per pedal side.

The Catalyst is a bit heavier. If that is important to you, we ride in 
different worlds.

I am using the Catalyst on my Jones Plus that has a very long front end. 
There is no toe clip overlap problem on that bike. I would not want to use 
this pedal on a tighter front end bike like my Rivendells and Surlys. I am 
also not sure the Catalyst would shine for road riding. 

The Catalyst more-forward foot position effectively moves the BB forward, 
or slackens the seat tube angle a degree or two (1-2 cm). I have not moved 
my saddle forward. But some folks may want to do that and thus perhaps want 
a slightly longer stem. Compared to SPD pedals, the saddle will need to 
come down about 1/2 inch. 

I will have more to say about the Catalyst pedals by next spring or so. But 
for dirt, demanding rides on bikes with long front ends, I think they offer 
a significant advantage over other platforms. 

Joe in GJT

On Friday, December 8, 2017 at 7:18:23 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

> Did you have to lower your saddle?

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Choices

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I found Grip Kings to be not all grippy and not supportive for the outside 
of my size 11 feet. I have happily used the VP 
Vice http://www.vpcomponents.com/product/vp-015/ which I like better than 
the Thin Gripster because it is a bit larger and has full length axles. 
Just this fall I bought the Catalyst pedal from a local (western CO) 
company. It is long like the Grip Kings and grippy like the VP pedals. I 
love them especially with the optional longer pins. 
 https://pedalinginnovations.com/

Joe in GJT


On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:40:54 PM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I’m looking to complete my soon to be arriving Clem Smith H bicycle. I’d 
>> like to ask for opinions on the MKS RMX Sneaker pedals and the MKS Grip 
>> King pedals. Have any of you tried either or both? Any thoughts welcome. 
>> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

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Well there were many admirers of the All Rounder at the swap meet this 
weekend but no takers. If anyone here is interested in the bike and can 
help me figure out how to ship, I am willing. It is a nicely setup bike in 
great shape completely ready for commuting or multi-surface adventure 
rides. Just add panniers for long distance tours. I would split shipping 
costs with any buyer, and of course take care of the packing on this end. 
If someone wanted to pay less than $2000 I could take off a rack and/or the 
second set of wheels, the Acorn handlebar bag, pedals, B17 saddle. If you 
are interested, let's talk.

Thanks,
Joe Ramey in Grand Junction

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:15:56 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:

> Of course this is the dressed up version of the Bridgestone XO-1.
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:13:55 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> All of the first gen All Rounders had 26" wheels.  Toward the end of the 
>> model's run (early 00s), frames this size and larger moved to 700c.  (I 
>> think Grant mainly liked the proportions better.)  Prior to that, there 
>> just weren't wide enough tires available for the big wheels.  26" still has 
>> a lot of advantages though, and there aren't many options for tall people 
>> who want them - certainly none this nice.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rohloff 26" Rivendell wheel

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The wheel is sold with pending payment. 
Thanks for your interest.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:13:29 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:

> For Sale here is a 26" wheel built by Rich at Rivendell (Hands on Wheels). 
> The hub is a Rohloff 14 speed for rim brakes only, the rim is Velocity, 
> with 32 DT spokes. I believe it has all parts to install including new and 
> old cables and adapters for running the cables along the BB or along the 
> top tube-seat tube to the rear brake. The wheel is very tight and true.
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899216798/in/dateposted-public/
>
> I bought this to install in my AllRounder, for sale here, but it didn't 
> fit in the frame well.
>
> I would like $600 shipped to you.
>
> Joe Ramey in GJT
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rohloff 26" Rivendell wheel

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It hasn't been on one of my bikes, only in a box in the spare bedroom.

On Sunday, December 3, 2017 at 11:35:12 AM UTC-7, Thomas McCause wrote:
>
> Joe,
> What bike did you have this on?
>
> Thomas in Fruita
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 5:13:29 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> For Sale here is a 26" wheel built by Rich at Rivendell (Hands on 
>> Wheels). The hub is a Rohloff 14 speed for rim brakes only, the rim is 
>> Velocity, with 32 DT spokes. I believe it has all parts to install 
>> including new and old cables and adapters for running the cables along the 
>> BB or along the top tube-seat tube to the rear brake. The wheel is very 
>> tight and true.
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899216798/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> I bought this to install in my AllRounder, for sale here, but it didn't 
>> fit in the frame well.
>>
>> I would like $600 shipped to you.
>>
>> Joe Ramey in GJT
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

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Of course this is the dressed up version of the Bridgestone XO-1.

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:13:55 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
> All of the first gen All Rounders had 26" wheels.  Toward the end of the 
> model's run (early 00s), frames this size and larger moved to 700c.  (I 
> think Grant mainly liked the proportions better.)  Prior to that, there 
> just weren't wide enough tires available for the big wheels.  26" still has 
> a lot of advantages though, and there aren't many options for tall people 
> who want them - certainly none this nice.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

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Yes Doug, 26 inch wheels. So many data points

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 6:00:51 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>
> 26" wheels?  Since you mention the tire widths in inches, I assume so.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 3:44:56 PM UTC-8, Mojo wrote:
>>
>> For Sale is a 1st generation AllRounder riding system including 
>> everything you see in picture #3. That includes two sets of wheels, three 
>> Nitto racks (M12, Nitto large front and rear),  Acorn large brown Rando 
>> handlebar bag, new VO fenders, front and rear lights & 3M reflective tape 
>> on racks and crank arms, burrito wrap under-saddle repair kit, Blackburn 
>> frame pump, striker brass bell, and a click-stand kickstand (
>> http://www.click-stand.com/),
>>
>> This bike is completely ready to ride as is. It has been on many 
>> adventures and used on and off road but always stored indoors. No terrible 
>> crashes just oh-shit! ones mainly in the dirt. It rides as well as the day 
>> I bought it. The setup you see in the pictures is for a 6 foot rider with 
>> an 89cm PBH. I think it would better fit riders in the 5'8" to 5'10" range. 
>> I ride 62cm frames these days.
>>
>> I would like $2000 not including shipping. Shipping all of this will be 
>> very difficult. It would be better to deliver. I am in Grand Junction 
>> (western) Colorado so am willing to drive 200 miles or so to meet the buyer.
>>
>> The frame: I am the original owner, built in 1995 by Waterford and 
>> delivered in January 1996. The tubing is the proprietary Reynolds 753 that 
>> Rivendell was using at the time, except Reynolds 531 fork blades. The paint 
>> is chameleon, that is two layers of green and purple. It is subtle, best 
>> seen in picture #2. The paint is in good shape except where it isn't. There 
>> is some touch-up paint on one fork leg and on a top tube ding that you can 
>> see in the final picture. There are some paint dings around the bottom 
>> bracket and especially around the horizontal dropouts.
>>
>> Components: 
>> B17 Champion saddle in good broken-in shape
>> Ritchey seatpost
>> Nitto Noodle 44cm handlebar
>> Nitto long quill Technomic stem 11cm
>> Cane Creek brake levers with new hoods
>> new cork tape
>> original headset with new grease
>> new Tektro 720 brakes with salmon pads
>> Shimano bar end 8/9 speed shifters
>> Shimano XT rear derailer and I-don't-remember silver front derailer
>> drivetrain is 3x8:
>> Ritchey Logic crank 175 48/36/26 or there abouts
>> new wide range (12-32?) cassette on off-road wheels, lightly used road 
>> (12-24?) cassette
>> new KMC 8 speed chain
>> I built the wheels with Suntour sealed front hubs that Rivendell used to 
>> sell, XT/XTR rear hubs, DT spokes & brass nipples, Mavic X517 rims - all 
>> strong and true
>> Schwalbe tires are 1.5" Marathon Racer and 1.9" Marathon XR all in good 
>> shape
>> bottom bracket is a Suntour repackable with new grease, bought with the 
>> frame
>> pedals are Shimano A530 spd/flat
>> two American Classic water bottle cages including an unusual gold one 
>> that matches the decals, and a Riv water bottle. 
>>
>> I will be showing this at a bike swap Saturday morning in Grand Junction. 
>> I think the price is quite fair and I think you can see I have made the 
>> bike as fresh as possible. It is a piece of Rivendell history.
>>
>> Joe Ramey in GJT
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/35306185223/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/35723450540/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899222308/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899223658/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899218868/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899220098/in/dateposted-public/
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Rohloff 26" Rivendell wheel

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For Sale here is a 26" wheel built by Rich at Rivendell (Hands on Wheels). 
The hub is a Rohloff 14 speed for rim brakes only, the rim is Velocity, 
with 32 DT spokes. I believe it has all parts to install including new and 
old cables and adapters for running the cables along the BB or along the 
top tube-seat tube to the rear brake. The wheel is very tight and true.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899216798/in/dateposted-public/

I bought this to install in my AllRounder, for sale here, but it didn't fit 
in the frame well.

I would like $600 shipped to you.

Joe Ramey in GJT

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

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Correction, the mini front rack I believe is a Nitto 32. The external bolt 
through the fork crown has been replaced with a recessed allen bolt, which 
I think looks nicer for those of us that are into such things.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 4:44:56 PM UTC-7, Mojo wrote:

> For Sale is a 1st generation AllRounder riding system including everything 
> you see in picture #3. That includes two sets of wheels, three Nitto racks 
> (M12, Nitto large front and rear),  Acorn large brown Rando handlebar bag, 
> new VO fenders, front and rear lights & 3M reflective tape on racks and 
> crank arms, burrito wrap under-saddle repair kit, Blackburn frame pump, 
> striker brass bell, and a click-stand kickstand (
> http://www.click-stand.com/),
>
> This bike is completely ready to ride as is. It has been on many 
> adventures and used on and off road but always stored indoors. No terrible 
> crashes just oh-shit! ones mainly in the dirt. It rides as well as the day 
> I bought it. The setup you see in the pictures is for a 6 foot rider with 
> an 89cm PBH. I think it would better fit riders in the 5'8" to 5'10" range. 
> I ride 62cm frames these days.
>
> I would like $2000 not including shipping. Shipping all of this will be 
> very difficult. It would be better to deliver. I am in Grand Junction 
> (western) Colorado so am willing to drive 200 miles or so to meet the buyer.
>
> The frame: I am the original owner, built in 1995 by Waterford and 
> delivered in January 1996. The tubing is the proprietary Reynolds 753 that 
> Rivendell was using at the time, except Reynolds 531 fork blades. The paint 
> is chameleon, that is two layers of green and purple. It is subtle, best 
> seen in picture #2. The paint is in good shape except where it isn't. There 
> is some touch-up paint on one fork leg and on a top tube ding that you can 
> see in the final picture. There are some paint dings around the bottom 
> bracket and especially around the horizontal dropouts.
>
> Components: 
> B17 Champion saddle in good broken-in shape
> Ritchey seatpost
> Nitto Noodle 44cm handlebar
> Nitto long quill Technomic stem 11cm
> Cane Creek brake levers with new hoods
> new cork tape
> original headset with new grease
> new Tektro 720 brakes with salmon pads
> Shimano bar end 8/9 speed shifters
> Shimano XT rear derailer and I-don't-remember silver front derailer
> drivetrain is 3x8:
> Ritchey Logic crank 175 48/36/26 or there abouts
> new wide range (12-32?) cassette on off-road wheels, lightly used road 
> (12-24?) cassette
> new KMC 8 speed chain
> I built the wheels with Suntour sealed front hubs that Rivendell used to 
> sell, XT/XTR rear hubs, DT spokes & brass nipples, Mavic X517 rims - all 
> strong and true
> Schwalbe tires are 1.5" Marathon Racer and 1.9" Marathon XR all in good 
> shape
> bottom bracket is a Suntour repackable with new grease, bought with the 
> frame
> pedals are Shimano A530 spd/flat
> two American Classic water bottle cages including an unusual gold one that 
> matches the decals, and a Riv water bottle. 
>
> I will be showing this at a bike swap Saturday morning in Grand Junction. 
> I think the price is quite fair and I think you can see I have made the 
> bike as fresh as possible. It is a piece of Rivendell history.
>
> Joe Ramey in GJT
>
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/35306185223/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/35723450540/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899222308/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899223658/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899218868/in/dateposted-public/
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24899220098/in/dateposted-public/
>

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[RBW] FS: 1995 58cm Rivendell AllRounder $2000

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

For Sale is a 1st generation AllRounder riding system including everything 
you see in picture #3. That includes two sets of wheels, three Nitto racks 
(M12, Nitto large front and rear),  Acorn large brown Rando handlebar bag, 
new VO fenders, front and rear lights & 3M reflective tape on racks and 
crank arms, burrito wrap under-saddle repair kit, Blackburn frame pump, 
striker brass bell, and a click-stand kickstand 
(http://www.click-stand.com/),

This bike is completely ready to ride as is. It has been on many adventures 
and used on and off road but always stored indoors. No terrible crashes 
just oh-shit! ones mainly in the dirt. It rides as well as the day I bought 
it. The setup you see in the pictures is for a 6 foot rider with an 89cm 
PBH. I think it would better fit riders in the 5'8" to 5'10" range. I ride 
62cm frames these days.

I would like $2000 not including shipping. Shipping all of this will be 
very difficult. It would be better to deliver. I am in Grand Junction 
(western) Colorado so am willing to drive 200 miles or so to meet the buyer.

The frame: I am the original owner, built in 1995 by Waterford and 
delivered in January 1996. The tubing is the proprietary Reynolds 753 that 
Rivendell was using at the time, except Reynolds 531 fork blades. The paint 
is chameleon, that is two layers of green and purple. It is subtle, best 
seen in picture #2. The paint is in good shape except where it isn't. There 
is some touch-up paint on one fork leg and on a top tube ding that you can 
see in the final picture. There are some paint dings around the bottom 
bracket and especially around the horizontal dropouts.

Components: 
B17 Champion saddle in good broken-in shape
Ritchey seatpost
Nitto Noodle 44cm handlebar
Nitto long quill Technomic stem 11cm
Cane Creek brake levers with new hoods
new cork tape
original headset with new grease
new Tektro 720 brakes with salmon pads
Shimano bar end 8/9 speed shifters
Shimano XT rear derailer and I-don't-remember silver front derailer
drivetrain is 3x8:
Ritchey Logic crank 175 48/36/26 or there abouts
new wide range (12-32?) cassette on off-road wheels, lightly used road 
(12-24?) cassette
new KMC 8 speed chain
I built the wheels with Suntour sealed front hubs that Rivendell used to 
sell, XT/XTR rear hubs, DT spokes & brass nipples, Mavic X517 rims - all 
strong and true
Schwalbe tires are 1.5" Marathon Racer and 1.9" Marathon XR all in good 
shape
bottom bracket is a Suntour repackable with new grease, bought with the 
frame
pedals are Shimano A530 spd/flat
two American Classic water bottle cages including an unusual gold one that 
matches the decals, and a Riv water bottle. 

I will be showing this at a bike swap Saturday morning in Grand Junction. I 
think the price is quite fair and I think you can see I have made the bike 
as fresh as possible. It is a piece of Rivendell history.

Joe Ramey in GJT


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[RBW] Re: PSA: Who's jonesing for a Legolas?

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I converted my Legolas to low trail with a Tom Matchak fork. I have ridden 
it now mostly in Rando-mode for several years now. I love it.
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On Thursday, November 16, 2017 at 7:12:41 PM UTC-7, christian poppell wrote:

> Anyone on the list end up getting this? 
>
> On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 2:49:03 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it is lighter tubing than the stock Roadeo.  FWIW, I have a 2017 
>> Legolas with fork eyelets.  Mark okayed mine for a light rando bag.  Do it. 
>>  I love mine.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 8, 2017 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>> Sean's former bike for sale in Oakland: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/rivendell-legolas-cyclocross/6335614806.html
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to facilitate for out of state if needed.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> walnut creek, ca
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Are you an "Oscar," or a "Felix" bike rider?

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I am a Felix converting towards an Oscar. Dirt bike drivetrains stay clean and 
lubed and big chunks of dirt/mud are removed from the frame, racks, wheels. 
Road bikes are kept much cleaner, but not immaculate like in days past. After a 
wet ride, I spend 15 minutes wiping and lubing, 10 minutes or less if I chose a 
fendered bike. The Rivendells
 get more attention, the Surlys and Jones get much less.

Joe in wet GJT

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[RBW] Re: Favorite Platform Pedals

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I have chosen VP Vice over the Thin Gripsters due to it's longer axle and 
slightly larger. Plus you can find the Vice for $45. Same rebuild-ability, same 
ease of spike replacement.

I have seen another pedal that looks interesting and is made right here in my 
home of Grand Junction Colorado.  http://pedalinginnovations.com
It has a slightly narrower but much longer platform. I haven't tried them yet. 

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Re: [RBW] Hitch rack recommendations?

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> A friend has a really nicely designed rack from 1UPUSA. Two arms come up 
> and grab each tire, so the bike sits flat in the tray with nothing touching 
> paint. It was quick to load and unload. The trays held tires up to 3inch in 
> diameter. It ain't cheap.
>
 https://www.1upusa.com/bicycleracks.html

 

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

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Oops!

PBH x 0.8*8*3 = Saddle height. 
I ride just a bit lower than that.

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:52:47 PM UTC-6, Mojo wrote:

> I have a couple of formulas in my garage, using cm:
> PBH x 0.69  =  Frame Size 
> PBH x 0.833 = Saddle Height
>
> I believe I got these from one of Grant's writings. My Riv custom follows 
> these formulas. My PBH is 89.2 and Grant built me a 61.5cm frame and my 
> saddle height is 74cm using 175mm cranks and spd pedals.
>
> Anyway they are a place to start.
>
> Joe in GJT
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:03:47 PM UTC-6, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>> My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I 
>> use Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The 
>> saddle on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the 
>> pedals, but I no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that 
>> aspect of the experiment has been a success.)
>>
>> Jay
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddle height vs PBH

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I have a couple of formulas in my garage, using cm:
PBH x 0.69  =  Frame Size 
PBH x 0.833 = Saddle Height

I believe I got these from one of Grant's writings. My Riv custom follows 
these formulas. My PBH is 89.2 and Grant built me a 61.5cm frame and my 
saddle height is 74cm using 175mm cranks and spd pedals.

Anyway they are a place to start.

Joe in GJT

On Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 9:03:47 PM UTC-6, Jay Connolly wrote:

> My PBH is 95 and I run my saddles (180/178 cranks) at 85. On my Joe, I use 
> Pedaling Innovations long pedals and push my foot further forward. The 
> saddle on that one is at 84. (Jury still out on the overall value of the 
> pedals, but I no longer suffer excruciating hot foot on long rides, so that 
> aspect of the experiment has been a success.)
>
> Jay
>

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

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Bill,

Chameleon paint was a production paint choice for an upcharge, $90 if 
memory serves. It's purple-green that doesn't show well in photography, 
especially crappy cell-phone photography.

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:52:36 PM UTC-6, William R. wrote:

> Mojo: beautiful AllRounder. Re: the chameleon paint: was that a production 
> color, custom or custom repaint?
>
> Great write up in the summer issue of BQ. First thing I read when I got my 
> copy in the mail. 
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

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I bought a 1995 AllRounder (delivered Jan 1996) and have kept it all these 
years. Waterford built, Reynolds 753 tubing, Richard Sachs lugs, chameleon 
paint, room for 2.0 inch tires, what's not too love? Well, my 
racing-mentality sizing is not to love. I chose a 58cm frame for my 89cm 
PBH. Today I would choose a 61 or 62cm. I keep thinking I will sell it, but 
never seem to do so.

AllRounder 2017 

Head Tube 

Pinon Mesa ride 

Colorado National Monument 


Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Delight of rain

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Patrick,

I hope you will reconsider your behavior during thunderstorms. The facts 
don't support your lackadaisical view of lightning.
 http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/
Lightning is the number one weather related killer in Colorado. Even when 
folks are not killed by a lightning strike, it can alter and diminish the 
remainder of their life.
http://www.lightningsafety.com/nlsi_lls/fatalities_us.html 
Living at 9000ft, your risk of lightning strike is enhanced over the 
Colorado state average.

Lightning is NOT at all predictable where it will strike. As a NWS 
forecaster giving presentations on the subject, I used to say "lightning is 
very powerful but very lazy." It will always find the easiest path to 
discharge. Yes the probabilities are greatest for higher elevations during 
the afternoon hours, but that doesn't mean probabilities are zero for lower 
elevations during the morning or evening.

Be safe out there!
Joe in GJT

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 2:15:29 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:

> Ha, George! If I followed that advice I'd not go on rides from April 
> through September. Grin. Fortunately, lightening is predictable in what it 
> like to hit. Stay low 'cause it likes to aim high. Don't straddle anything 
> steel, er, because it is attracted to conductiv ... ZAP! CRACK! CRISP! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:27:06 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Long as you're not out in it during one of those thunderstorms, that is. 
>> Lightning, especially at those altitudes, can be very lethal and it can 
>> strike a long way from where the storm appears to be.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 1:45:03 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Yesterday was hot for around here. 84˚F at 9,000 feet. Riding home the 
>>> thunderclouds that had been building since noon broke loose. Unlike most 
>>> storms, this one didn’t drop the temperature into the 40’s or 50’s. It 
>>> stayed in the upper 70’s. I left my rain jacket in my bag and delighted in 
>>> the wet soaking my cotton shirt, cooling me off. Combined with the 
>>> delicious scents of rain, ozone, flashing lightening and rumbling thunder 
>>> coming down and mixing with earth, sage, flowers, pine, and aspen, it was a 
>>> veritable feast.
>>>
>>> This morning, the sun was out, the ground moist and pocked , fresh and 
>>> giving off the smell of summer loam of long decay, pine, and growth in the 
>>> warmth. Pockets of air still cool from the moist night air tantalized as at 
>>> rode through them, lingering by slowing my pedaling.
>>>
>>> After weeks of hot and dusty grit, these two rides were spectacularly 
>>> refreshing.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> www.CredoFamily.org
>>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] The Gift of the Smile and Wave?

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This is a great thread, thank you Deacon, Patrick, Tim, WETH. I have been 
surprised how often folks will smile back at me on the road. And yes it 
fundamentally changes how I feel perceive the ride and my world. 

Joe in GJT who doesn't smile nearly enough.

On Sunday, July 9, 2017 at 10:21:44 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:

> “…life is like a mirror. Smile at it and it smiles back at you. I just put 
> a big smile on my face and everyone smiles back.” Mildred Norman aka Peace 
> Pilgrim

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[RBW] PSA: 60cm Quickbeam on eBay

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Wow tough crowd. I paid $900 for my green Quickbeam frame with just a headset. 
The components on this one are very nice. It is obvious the bike is in good 
shape even if there is some beausage. This isn't a great bargain but it doesn't 
seem crazy expensive. There is a reason I quit selling my Riv items here.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] WTB: Fork with Canti Posts for 650b Homer

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Hi Evan,

I like your panache riding a Homer on the Great Divide.

I have a Legolas fork, axle-to-crown about 387mm, 1" unthreaded steerer tube 
about 318mm long, 45mm of rake if memory serves, canti studs, copper color 
except for cream wings on the crown. How about $100 shipped within CONUS?

If you're wondering why it's available, I went low trail and won't ever go back.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

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>
> My N has been stable at 8 for awhile which is too many. Luckily for me D 
> is apparently greater than 8 but it is possible D = 9 so I am not pushing 
> it. I think that my preferred N should be closer to 4, but I seem to be 
> having a hard time downsizing. There is one main reason for this, I keep 
> changing. My changes:1) I just retired so there is no need for a commuter, 
> but I still run errands and shop on a bike so that type of bike is 
> "necessary."  2) After being a roadie for decades, I am becoming more of a 
> dirt rider. The auto driver hoards win, I don't want to go like 
> Mike Hall last week, so most of my rides for fun and fitness are now in the 
> dirt. 3) Finally after racing in the 1980s-1990s and holding on to that 
> type of riding (hammer, paceline, performance, light-weight bikes, hard 
> tires) into the oughts, I now am more interested in touring (like my 1970s 
> cycling origins). So my bikes in order of importance at this time:
>
 
1) Jones Plus 
 
 
it is the bike I would grab in case of a house fire.
2) Legolas 
 
because 
of its versatility as a go-fast, a randonneur, as a multi-surface or gravel 
bike. It currently has fenders, M12 rack with Acorn h'bar bag, Son dynamo 
with Edulux.  It also has a Tom Matchak 
 low-trail fork, seen here 

.
3) Surly LHT 
 
this was my commuter and is still my load carrier. Why do I love this low 
cost bike? Well it too has a Matchak low-trail fork, and SP & Luxos U 
lighting system, Tubus racks, Ritchey Logic crank, so it is not so 
inexpensive. It also is the only bike with (Mavic) friction downtube 
shifters that I still love. This bike can do so much and adventure is 
written all over it.
4) Rivendell Road Standard 
 
designed by Grant, built by Curt, painted by Joe this is a go-fast bike 
that isn't as versatile as the Legolas. But man it just fits beautifully 
and I still love it. It is the bike I chose for Ride the Rockies in 2014. 
It is my only bike with caliper brakes, lugged stem, a lovely TA crank, 
Noodle bars (like all my drop bar bikes), Campy brifters mated to 9 speed 
derailers and cassette. 
5) Surly Pugsley 
There
 
are better fat bikes now. But I have it heavily accessorized (Moonlander 
fork, Son-Edulux, BigO fenders 
) 
and I just love the way it rides. It is my backup dirt bike but doesn't 
perform near as well as the Jones in that role. And the Jones is nearly as 
versatile in snow with a 4 inch tire up front.
6) Quickbeam, 
 
1st generation, set up with 5 single speed gears (two chainrings, dingle, 
and a flip flop) and a fixed multi-gear rear wheel 
 
that hasn't been used for years. A SS is fun but also limiting (part of the 
fun!) and could go to someone else. But then I take it for a long ride and 
I just can't bring myself to sell. Maybe in a few ears. 
7) Rivendell AllRounder 1995 
, 
one owner, many adventures. But I bought it at my racing size of 58cm and I 
ride 60-62cm frames now, so its too small. It is my other load carrier with 
26 inch wheels. It has 753 tubing and chameleon (purple and green) paint 
with a top tube ding, 3 Nitto racks (front and rear large racks plus an M12 
that holds an Acorn bag), another Ritchey Logic triple crank, Tektro 720 
brakes. It is a versatile AllRounder with a long quill technomic stem, new 
VO fenders room for 2" tires under those fenders, and rides pretty well on 
the road with Kojak 1.5" slicks. Visiting friends can ride it road or dirt. 
Do I need both 26" and 700c touring bikes? No I do not.
8) Salsa Ala Carte, 26" inch mountain bike, with orange paint, a Pugsley 
100mm hub width fork with a 3" front tire. It should go too but it is quick 
and fast and is currently staying at my wee Mum's home not far from Patrick 
Moore for rides when I am there.

Maybe my N is 8, at least for now. I did give away my loved 1966 Robin Hood 
3 speed and do not miss it, so maybe there is hope for me.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

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I too have found the WTB saddles quite comfortable. The Pure is about 148mm 
across the back (from memory), and like Brooks has a flat back and a fore-aft 
dip. The make four different Pure saddles starting at about $40.

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[RBW] Reminder: Rivendell Road Standard FS

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I road my Road Standard yesterday for the first time this season. What a 
wonderful bike. It rides comfortably at a casual pace but takes my hard efforts 
well. Just when I think I don't need a pure road bike any longer, this bike 
shows me otherwise.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Helpful resources for building a bike at home?

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Max,

How fun! Building your own bike is a joy and source of pride. It will serve you 
into the future as you understand, work on, and repair your bike.

Buy a stand if you want. But you can get by just fine with two hooks in the 
ceiling and cords at the saddle back and stem. No doubt a stand is better, but 
it can wait.

This reminds me of building up my first racing frame back in 1977. Installing 
the freewheel (cursed things, thanks be for cassettes) on my Campy Record hub, 
I cross threaded it! I drove into nearby Denver to have a pro mechanic repair 
the hub. I remember the elderly European shop owner shaking his head and 
telling me I didn't deserve to ride such nice equipment. :-} The hub lasted 
through 15 years of hard riding, holding the freewheel with just a few threads. 
I tried to earn the right to ride Campy components.

So you may make mistakes but you and the bike will survive. A paint chip or two 
will be badges of mechanical courage and will allow you to ride it out in the 
real world with less trepidation. Let a shop install the headset and bottom 
bracket. Have fun!

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Official Roadini Information

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John, my PBH is 89.2 and Grant put me on a 61.5cm custom road. I have since 
bought a 62cm Legolas. All else being equal, I think the 62 would be your size. 
I can send you pics if you want to see the proportions.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Clementine and Jones+ Trail Ride

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Chris, the Karate Monkey has been described as a dirt Crit bike. It has 
short chainstays and a short front end. The Jones Plus is really at the 
opposite end of the spectrum. I've ridden both for extended periods.
I wrote up a review of the Jones Plus on the IBOB list a while back.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ/_l-CNqlJLOMJ

Joe in GJT 

On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:14:26 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

> Nice write up!  I've been very intrigued by both the Jones 29'er Diamond 
> frame and the Plus frames.  I just started riding an old Trek that has very 
> similar characteristics to a Riv (26" wheels) and I've been riding a Surly 
> Karate Monkey, which I think is pretty representative of 29'ers.  It would 
> be interesting to compare either Jones to these two bikes.  Someday I'm 
> going to splurge on a multi-thousand dollar bike but right now I don't have 
> a good enough idea what I want in that bike.  
>
> Have you compared the wheelbase of your two bikes?  It's hard to tell by 
> eyeballing which is longer. 
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 5, 2017 at 8:49:30 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> My wife Erika's Clementine frame arrived from the first batch of frame 
>> only pre-orders in late Oct-early Nov 2015... almost exactly coinciding 
>> with us realizing she was pregnant.  :)  Funny how the 9 months of 
>> pregnancy and now 8 months of having an infant can just timewarp your life 
>> a bit (in a good way of course).  Anyway the point of this is to say that 
>> while the Clementine has been in the family for over a year it hasn't 
>> exactly gotten put through it's paces.  It's main purpose is as a classy 
>> townie and now it'll be the main owner of the Yepp Mini front baby seat. 
>>  But you can't count out this swoopy-orange frame for some offroad fun! 
>>  Stripped of its fenders, bags and smaller tires and wearing the up till 
>> last week Bombadil's wheel/tire-set we took advantage of my Mom being in 
>> town to watch our daughter for the afternoon and hit the trail at Wakefield.
>>
>>
>> Joining the party as of Sat morning is my new-to-me pearly blue Jones 
>> Plus, the 24" frame.  Neat thing for my 5'5" wife and 6' me is that we can 
>> effectively trade bikes between the 52cm/650B Clementine and the 
>> 24"Jones... I'm not saying either is the frame size we'd go out and buy for 
>> ourselves as a daily rider but I was very pleased at how just saddle height 
>> adjustment was required for us to swap during our ride today.  Both of us 
>> were pumped to try a fat/plus bike (our first), Erika wanted to get some 
>> time on her Clem and I was interested to compare the ride on both.  Bottom 
>> line is we had a really nice ride, weather was brisk but very bright and 
>> pretty and the wooded area's were a really unusual mix of low stage green 
>> spreading amongst a wintery treescape.  Very unusual weather patterns we're 
>> having here in the Mid-Atlantic this season.  It was a pretty short ride 
>> and the focus was on staying together and having fun so I won't give 
>> exhaustive notes, just a couple impressions.
>>
>> Clementine - I started out from the parking lot on the Clem and had a 
>> great ride on the bike.  The 650Bx2.25" Nobby Nic's performed as well on 
>> the Clem as they did on my recently departed Bombadil.  Erika's sprung B67S 
>> is way springier than my B67... WAY. Anyone else encounter this on the 
>> ladies B67 or flyer saddles?  On my Flyer and B67 the springs are very 
>> stiff.  Anyway once I got used to how much flex there was in the saddle I 
>> got the hang of the bike. It definitely felt longer than the Bomba and the 
>> Jones for that matter but I never had an issue maneuvering it on a trail. 
>>  I found it very easy to stand or shift weight between the big Alba style 
>> bars and the saddle for climbing and descending.  Erika did really well on 
>> the Clementine once we switched although it is a rough transition both 
>> directions going from canti's-hydro disc brakes and the ride/fit/geo is way 
>> different. Her comment was that climbing on the Clementine right off of the 
>> Jones felt like getting 'out of' a bike and then 'sitting on top of' a 
>> bike... I didn't make the transition back to the Clementine and I'll 
>> comment about the Jones in a moment.  After the ride her perspective was 
>> that so long as there weren't significant obstacles she preferred the 
>> Clementine but with any features or obstacles felt more confidant on the 
>> Jones.
>>
>> Jones + - I definitely get the 'riding in the bike' feel as advertised 
>> with this bike. I was very concerned the 29x3" tires would make me feel 
>> like sitting on top of a horse... couldn't be further from the truth.  The 
>> Clementine did actually feel taller  than the Plus.  Those 3" tires... wow, 
>> you don't need a road, you don't need a trail, just point, pedal and 
>> smile...  I'm not sure how you compare it to any trail bike w/ smaller 
>> tires. I'll be 

[RBW] Snowy Ride Report

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Thanks Michael. One enjoyment I get from RBW & IBOB lists is getting an idea of 
bicycle life in other environs. I have always lived in small to medium western 
towns, except for a year each in Portland OR and Daegu Korea. So NY NY is 
exotica for me. Looks like a fun ride.

Joe in GJT where it reached 69F today and the snow is melting off our local ski 
mountain.

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[RBW] OMG! Egg misguidance from Rivendell

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No no no! Like a high trail bike climbing at 4 mph, my egg boil method veers 
wildly from Will@Riv's advice in the email that came today. Never drop a cold 
egg into boiling water unless you want it to crack and bleed whites into the 
water. Now my method is modified by living at 5000 feet. But I place cold eggs 
in cold water then add heat. When boiling starts I time for 4 minutes for soft 
boiled eggs that look similar to the egg in the email. Seven minutes firms the 
yoke but not into the 'hard boiled' category. At the end of the 4-7 minutes, I 
come back into Riv agreement with an ice bath. 

Joe "who has eaten about 5000 eggs since I went low(er) carb in August 2011 and 
only my HDL cholesterol numbers are higher" Ramey

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Re: [RBW] Re: dynamo light decisions: Lumotec or Edelux?

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Peter, could you direct me to the co-axial connectors on your website? I can't 
seem to find them.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

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Neither head tube angle nor BB height will directly effect stem length.

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[RBW] Re: Legolas/Roadeo Owners: Threadless stem size vs quill

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Jay,

To copy the cockpit position from the Homer to the Legolas, you need to 
make one adjustment. Subtract one cm from your Legolas stem before you 
compare and compensate for different top tube lengths. In other words, the 
one degree steeper seat tube angle on the Legolas has taken up roughly 1 cm 
of effective top tube length. In other-other words, your saddle will be 
roughly 1 cm further back on the Legolas' seatpost to achieve the same leg 
to crank position.

Joe "with a Road Custom and Legolas that have the same 58cm top tube length 
but two different stem lengths" Ramey

On Monday, January 23, 2017 at 12:17:33 PM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:

> I'm building up a 57cm Legolas soon with a threadless steerer.  My 58cm 
> 650b Homer and second hand 57ish cm Custom has 90mm quill stems and Noodle 
> bars.  They fit like a glove.  Should a go with another 90mm or longer 
> length because the angles are different or given the sportier geometry of 
> the Legolas?

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[RBW] FS: NIB Tektro CR720 cantis silver

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Hi Kyle,

I am having trouble sending you a private message. I would like the CR720s.
Please email me at gjtramey (at) gmail dot com.

Thanks,
Joe in GJT Colorado

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[RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

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John, I ride Noodles and 61/62cm frames too. I have 44cm Noodles on 4 bikes but 
46 on my Surly LHT, a poor man's Atlantis. For years I have thought of pulling 
the 46s and trading here for some 44s. But lately the 46s have been feeling 
rather pleasant. I'm not sure why. The LHT has a custom fork making the bike 
low trail. Jan Heine has suggested that low trail bikes are handled better with 
more narrow bars. But for whatever reason I have settled into the 46s. The 44s 
on my go-faster bikes feel more sleek or streamlined. Perhaps for me, at 60yrs 
old 6ft 185lbs, the difference is minutiae.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

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I call out "I'm passing on your left." Then nearly immediately ring my bell 
as I approach, with my left hand at the ready on the front/effective brake 
lever. That mostly works.

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 6:33:06 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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[RBW] Roadeo Sizing Help

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Grant is The Man. But here is another data point. I am 6ft with an 89cm PBH. 
Grant chose a 61.5cm Road standard for me. And I ride a 62cm Legolas and a 60cm 
Quickbeam (with some dirt riding intended for the Q). I wish the Q was 62 too 
but it's fine.

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[RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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Glen, a 26x5" (4.3" actual) wheel fits in the front. But that wheel, from my 
Pugsley needs special, custom-made washers (thanks pal Eric Liefeld, CEO of 
Liefeld Fabrications Inc) to make the 135mm hub fit in the weird 142mm Jones' 
spacing. My primary complaint about the JP is the weird front spacing. Newer 
models have 150mm spacing up front, so now you can possibly buy a really 
expensive Son dynamo hub to fit the bike. The back will take an actual 3.2" 
tire ( a Knard on a Rabbit Hole rim) and no more.

Yes I ride Fruita and Grand Junction technical trails all the time since I live 
there. :-) You would think a long (46 inch or so), wheelbased bike would make 
technical trail riding difficult. It doesn't, really! I don't know why. This 
seems to be widely observed. Turns out long bikes can be nimble.

 I am no great trail rider and the Jones doesn't make me that, but I do clear 
steeper ascents and descents than I do on any other bike. Also the flickable 
front end (relatively unweighted and low trail) helps me do better in rock 
gardens.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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Bill, I wrote a JP review back in July 2015.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ

I am 72.5 inches tall with an 89 PBH. I like my 25 inch Jones Plus. It is big 
for me but that hasn't caused any problems for me. Jeff Jones of similar height 
chooses the 24 but rides both.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

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I'll jump in here. I have ridden the Jones Plus for 18 months and a Krampus for 
an afternoon. There is no comparison. The Jones' handling is fast and nimble. 
It climbs like no other bike. The Jones has numerous design features that work 
together for its unique (to me) handling. The shallow head angle, 67.5 degrees, 
and very long rake, 76mm, create geometric trail in the mid 70s. The Krampus 
has a slackish HA at 69 degrees but uses a more traditional rake of 47mm 
(because big rake requires a radically new, or very old, fork design) that 
creates a very sluggish 100mm of geometric trail. The 'upright and back' rider 
position also adds to the Jones' nimbleness.

Then the rear end; the Jones chainstays are 19 inches, the Krampus 17.1 inches. 
I personally am DONE with short CSs. The longer CSs help me keep the front end 
down during steep climbs.

The far out front wheel and the far back rear wheel make for a large sweet spot 
for climbing, and security for steep descents. I agree with Daniel, the Jones 
is in a different league than the Krampus. I love Surly's but not for 29er Plus 
design, yet.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] Winter Ramble

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Patrick, I have used Ear Bags for years for rides below 40F. Much below 32 I 
add a thin balaclava.
http://sprigs.com/earbags/?gclid=Cj0KEQiAhNnCBRCqkP6bvOjz_IwBEiQAMn_TMWvzt87OR2ayRj7-QT4mhgmprIlRUQumpi8RCTWJZUgaAn9I8P8HAQ

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Re: [RBW] Extreme long johns...

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I have used Brynje brand fishnet for many (more than 20?) years. Works great 
for xc skiing. I use a short sleeve top and knicker bottoms. It's a Norwegian 
company instead of Colorado though, and the prices reflect that. 
http://www.brynje-shop.com/index.html?language=en

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[RBW] what skewer please?

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I've got a Shimano (Ultegra?) in my SP D8 hub. I think I've also used a Mavic & 
Campy at times. No problems.

Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] FS: 62 SimpleOne

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John, I have an 89.2 PBH and happily ride a 62cm Legolas. Grant chose 61.5cm 
for my Riv custom road frame.

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[RBW] Re: my sp dynamo hub is unreliable

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My SP hub has been in near daily use in rain, snow, sun, dust, for a year 
now with flawless performance. 
Perhaps your wire contacts are imperfect? 

On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 7:04:38 PM UTC-6, joe kelly wrote:

> i should mention, when it does work, the lights are bright and are 
> functioning as they should; they work great! 
> thanks again
> joe
>
>
> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 at 8:58:34 PM UTC-4, joe kelly wrote:
>>
>> when i use the quickbeam with the sp dynamo hub, the hub malfunctions and 
>> produces power for the lights. about two thirds of the time this happens. i 
>> only ride about once a month. have any of you had similar disappointment 
>> with this hub? i am using all riv bought parts. eyc headlight and toplight 
>> taillight.
>> thanks
>> joe kelly
>> columbus ohio
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report-- Mini tour of SW New Mexico and SE Arizona

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Congratulations John for making your adventure happen!  I have been in the 
Chiricahuas just once fighting the Horseshoe2 wildfire in 2011. They are 
special mountains.

I like your thought that you packed for your fears instead of your 
confidence. Your bike bags look small enough, it doesn't appear you 
overpacked to me. I see you took a cookstove. What items, beyond the 
normal items like sleeping bag & tent, worked for you and what would you 
leave behind next time?

Thanks for sharing,
Joe "who should be on an adventure of his own in the first month of 
retirement but is reading about others' adventures instead" Ramey in GJT

On Friday, October 14, 2016 at 12:01:02 AM UTC-6, John M wrote:

>
> For years I have wanted to make a bike tour out of the quiet backroads and 
> hidden corners of SW New Mexico where I live.  But a whole litany of 
> excuses, both real and imagined conspired against it—didn’t have the right 
> bike, too hot, too windy, too little water, not enough time, not in good 
> enough shape, not safe to go alone, and on and on and on.  This year I 
> became the new owner of a barely used Hunqapillar and resolved to make it 
> happen.  About a month ago I sketched out a rough plan and started putting 
> touring equipment together.  Last Thursday after spending way too much time 
> agonizing over the final details and packing for my fears instead of my 
> confidence, I locked the front door and soft pedaled through town headed 
> south towards the bootheel of New Mexico, destined for the Chiricahua 
> mountains just over the border in Arizona. 
>
>
> I figured I could do 50 miles per day, with a mix of dirt and 
> pavement—though I haven't had many rides over 15 miles in the last few 
> years.  More worrying than my ability to go the distance was the 
> resupply—mostly of water, but also food.  Water, like towns,  are scarce 
> out here and I planned to pack enough supplies to ride straight through 
> each day without needing to count on uncertain water sources (cattle tanks) 
> or stores that might be out of business or closed for the day.  I spent 4 
> days touring, camping in Forest Service campgrounds or just out in the wide 
> desert on BLM land.  
>
>
> Pictorial highlights here:  Flickr photos 
> 
>
>
> Route info here: Plotaroute 
>
>
> Other than the Chiricahua mountains which are justifiable famous among 
> bird watchers (Trogons!) and outdoorsy folk, it was wonderfully desolate 
> out there.  Ranch trucks and the Border Patrol were about the only other 
> travelers on the roads.   On one 20 mile stretch of dirt road, I spent 
> three hours spinning away in the small chainring, climbing in and out of 
> small drainages without a car passing me, or even having one in sight.  
>
> The bike did wonderfully—no mechanical failures or tire punctures.  I had 
> converted the Racing Ralphs to tubeless about a month ago to make sure they 
> would be reliable.  I still didn’t trust them completely and rode pretty 
> cautiously to prevent failure out in the boonies.  The bike came with the 
> Albatross handlebar, and though I am more used to riding with drops, the 
> Albas were fine.  I definitely missed the lack of *comfortable* hand 
> positions but they certainly didn’t prevent me from finishing the trip or 
> having a good time. 
>
>
>  
>
> john
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks Saddles, Pauls, SRAM, etc

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Hi Phil, 

I will take the Paul Touring canti pair if still available.

Thanks. 
Joe in GJT 81506

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[RBW] Re: What's in Your Cockpit?

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Eric, like you my headlights have migrated down to near tire height. 
Cyclometers have mostly gone away and I have not moved into the GPS world. 
My rides are now mostly number free (except an occasional timed climb up 
the local four mile hill) and I love it. My Jones bar bikes both have a bag 
 that holds arm 
coolers (this time of year), cell phone, snack, pepper spray.

On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 6:37:23 PM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> My Riv Road: Steel, leather, friction shifting ... and a bunch of 
> electronic gear. Even the headlights are electronic. 
>
> What's in *your* cockpit?
>
>
>
> –Eric N
>
>

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[RBW] Re: What pressures do you run your Ruffy Tuffy 28's at?

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Tire pressure is a function of your bike-system+motor weight. Mine is 
around 30-35+185-190 or 220lbs. Using Frank Berto's tire pressure chart I 
pump my 28mm rear tire up to 90-95 and front 80-85 then don't refill for 
several weeks. I seem to feel the need to refill around 75psi.

I have found the Ruffy Tuffys to ride quite harsh, so much so that I no 
longer ride them. I have some Ruffy Tuffy Speedblends I should sell. 

I am near the point in my riding and viewpoint where 28mm are just too 
narrow. Over the last decade I have culled my herd of too-small frames, 
tubular tires/wheels, road-style cleats, and perhaps soon bikes with less 
then 32-35mm tires. My how times change!



On Monday, August 29, 2016 at 5:00:12 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Also, how does the ride compare to other 28's you have ridden?
>
> Just wundrin'. Thanks for the info.
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Silver Shifters

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I have a pair too, in original Rivendell packaging. How about $45 shipped for 
RBW folks, or $50 if you're not a member of this group. :-)

Joe in Grand Junction

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Re: [RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

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I have saved chain fragments from decades of riding on bikes with too short 
chainstays. If anyone needs chain fragments for 7/8 or 9 speed chains to get 
started I can mail them. No cost. But it'll probably be the slow mail choice.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Victoria Hypers

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I too took advantage of the sale and ordered 700x38s. I have one on the 
front wheel for three days now and it measures 37.9mm wide on a Mavic MA2 
rim. True to size. Smooth is my initial impression.

Joe in GJT

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:07:32 PM UTC-6, Minh wrote:
>
> Jay, what size did you get?  True to size?

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam / SimpleOne Sizing?

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I have an 89cm PBH anfd Grant has put me on a 61.5cm road bike. I am 
surprised he recommended a 61cm for you. Anyway I chose a 60cm Q for 
possible off-road riding. I have not found the lower TT to help or hinder 
when off-road. For one thing, this bike probably won't be used in the 
gnarliest (technical single track) off-road riding. Anyway I wish I had 
bought the 62cm. Here is what my seatpost and stem height look like with 
89.2cm PBH. 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/2760281945/in/album-72157607471577085/

On Saturday, June 11, 2016 at 8:01:33 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> I'm on the lookout for a used Quickbeam or SimpleOne to replace my old 
> Trek as a city commuter. But I have a question about sizing. My Roadeo has 
> a pretty similar bottom bracket height and the 61cm frame fits my 90pbh 
> really well. So the question is, do I go with a 60 or 62 'SimpleBeam?' 
>
> Any thoughts? What are current owners' experiences? Thanks!
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

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Just to give a counter point to Richard's off-road observations, I have 
found long chainstays to be wonderful off-road. Now I have not ridden a 
bike with 21 inch CS like the 60cm Cheviot, but I have ridden 17 to 19 inch 
CS bikes. I have also ridden Surly bikes with rear dropouts/drop-ins where 
you can adjust your CS length. I have found my climbing ability increases 
with CS length, increasing my ability to keep the front wheel in contact 
with the ground. Interestingly long, 19 inch CS do not inhibit tight 
technical descents. I would agree with Richard that CS length works in 
tandem with other geometry components. I wrote up a review of the long CS 
Jones Plus bike on IBOB. 
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!searchin/internet-bob/review$20of$20Jones$20Plus/internet-bob/v92_t69-FYQ/Mvy7_9-T1WkJ
And Jeff Jones gives a great talk on the design of that bike  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMkQ7z9Gi7c

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 5:19:45 PM UTC-6, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others 
> mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired 
> with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it 
> to hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up 
> plowing through stuff and it had the reverse effect of esentially making 
> the ride rougher...just my .02 impressions based off a long CS proto 
> hunqapillar.
>

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[RBW] Santa Fe (half) century?

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Well Patrick perhaps Sunday is still your day to do 50 miles. When was the last 
time you made your way through town and out to Tijeras? Then north or south 
from there are glorious. The climb and decent will allow to run through all 
three gears to try them in the wild, so to speak.

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[RBW] Re: 1X10: How clean it is!

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Congratulations Mike, sounds like you're happy. I seem to want and use a dirt 
low gear around here of 18-21 inches. My flawless 2x9 gives me that with a less 
expensive 9 cog cassette.

So does Big O fenders have a dedicated fender kit for the Jones Plus?

And after 10 months on mine I agree with you, this bike with two wheel sets (& 
fenders) is the proverbial One Bike that Does All.

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

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Mike, I am on a 2x9 setup with a new fangled clutched rear derailer, 12-36T 
cassette. I have used both 23/36 and 26/39 up front.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: 50 t rear cog -- Never walk another hill

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Mike, I have been using a Surly OD (offset double) crank on my Jones Plus with 
a Deore front derailer. It has been completely flawless. Same set up same bike 
for a friend, same flawless result. Maybe we can save your current setup? 

PM me if you would like.
Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Re: Jeff Jones in depth on longer wheelbase

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Yes, Jeff does talk fleetingly about chainstay length. The Plus has 19 inch 
chainstays. The longish chainstay make steep climbing a pleasure, exactly 
opposite of what I assumed.

I have a review of the Jones Plus on the IBOB list from last July if anyone is 
interested. I find the bike to be everything that Jeff claims and is my 
favorite bike.

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[RBW] Re: Crack in the Sam headtube??

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Edwin, I have had two frames crack at a headtube lug, both frames built by 
the same frame shop. I rode them for weeks in that condition including a 
long race that included a significant mountain climb and descent. That is 
how young and dumb and poor I was. My point is you are probably alright for 
the short term, but you might want to get it checked reasonably soon.

Joe in GJT

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 3:27:28 PM UTC-7, Edwin W wrote:
>
> I was performing a very rare bike cleaning and saw a bit of a chip in the 
> paint of the headtube on my Sam. It is a 60cm, single top tube orange one 
> with side pulls, if you are interested. I am the second ownder and have put 
> 5000 or so miles on it over the last three years.
> Can you all take a look at the two photos posted here 
>  and 
> let me know what you think?
> Is it a crack? Yes, it looks like that. It is right where the point of the 
> lug is, which must add some kind of stress? Metallurgists and engineers 
> please chime in.
> What to do about it? Replace the head tube? What size of a job is that? 
> Does every city (even a not very bikey city like Nashville) have someone 
> who could do this?
> Any other wisdom would be appreciated.
>
> Why does steel have to be THIS real?
>
> Edwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Latest blug....yay for the Legolas.

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I bought one of the last original Legolas. It sat on their sale page for 
several months. I was in my 50s in 2011 (still am, barely) and had no 
desire to race. But I bought the damn frame anyway, because none of you 
did. So really this is all your fault. 

I forgive you. It's my go-to road bike for brisk rides, I think because it 
isn't just a road bike. A Riv Road custom and Quickbeam get a lot less 
miles because of the Legolas. It has seen several changes in setup, even in 
fork rake. The bike seems to have settled into a randonneur style setup 
with fenders, dynamo, front rack and handlebar bag.

I scratched the lovely copper tubing on the left side of the top tube right 
away so I don't have to worry about that anymore. Its a 62cm with a 86.2 
standover height, which gives me exactly 3cm of biological clearance. Grant 
says it is not a tourer, but I will say that credit card extended rides 
with a saddle bag and handlebar bag works well with this bike. 

It's fun, it's nimble, it's responsive, it's recommended.

Here are a few pics I believe I have shared here before:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6103298924/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/4775212992/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/8084436117/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/6922766182/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/7053788581/in/dateposted-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/79695460@N00/24772166989/in/dateposted-public/


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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

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Thanks Anne. I am used to Chupas and like them a lot.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs on the Great Divide Route?

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Anne, what 29x3 tire did you use? The Knard seems quite knobby for mixed 
surface rides and holds onto mud & snow pretty aggressively.

I may be retired in 2017 and the GDMBR is at the top of my to-do list.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chainstay protector

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Suddenly I am very aware of my inferior chainstay protectors. I don't know if I 
can ride to work this morning

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[RBW] Re: Dyno light recommendation

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So back to the original question, I used an Edulux I for years and thought it 
was perfect. A few years ago I tried the Edulux II and its much wider beam was 
my new standard of perfect. Lately I mated a Luxos U to an SP hub that allows 
me to charge my phone during the day and has a handlebar switch, and an 
amazingly wide and consistent beam. The Edulux now seem adequate but less than 
ideal. I appreciate the SP hub for its performance, price, and simple light 
attachment compared to Son.

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Re: [RBW] I Bailed Off Flicker

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Deacon,

Do not accept de feet on de flickr!
Sorry, sorry.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Last s24o of 2015, sleeping under the stars in the cold!

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I don't want to hijack this thread, but would like to speak to fat bikes 
just a bit from my limited experience.

I bought a used Pugsley in 2011 and have modified it over the years so that 
a Moonlander fork will allow a 5 inch tire up front while the rear is 
limited to 4 inches. I have found the Pug to be a useful quiver bike. With 
its larger tires it allows me to ride through the Dec-Jan-Feb season where 
we often have snow and or ice on the roads and certainly off-road here in 
western Colorado. With 3 inch tires it is a fun, rigid, offroad/mountain 
bike.  

I have found a fat bike allows fun and useful riding on unpacked snow up to 
about 5 inches (snow density dependent). Above 5 inches of unpacked powder 
it is just too much effort to plow, and local/valley skiing becomes 
possible. I have found a 2.3" tired mountain bike does not handle much 
unpacked snow well. I think this is because a fat bike's foot print is much 
bigger of course but also because a fat bike allows low, single-digit tire 
pressures.

I just returned from several days in Crested Butte where we were doing a 
mix of downhill/tele skiing, skinny/nordic skiing, and fat biking. A group 
of fat bikers there has begun grooming trails specifically for fat 
bikes. https://www.facebook.com/CBFatBikers/?fref=ts And the local nordic 
ski area has integrated snow biking into a portion of its 
trails https://www.facebook.com/cbnordic/?fref=ts Riding on these trails 
has not changed my mind on the 4-5 inch of unpacked powder threshold for my 
Pugsley at my weight (185lbs before breakfast and clothing). Riding a fat 
bike on groomed trails is way less fun than sliding around on skis, slower 
with more effort too.

Disadvantage of a snow bike? Wide Q is the main potential problem. It 
doesn't seem to bother me. The Pug allows me to commute and play when there 
is some snow and ice in my valley and fills the activity hole between dry 
roads and deep ski-able snow. And using larger tires on the Pug has made 
off-road bikes with less than 3 inches obsolete for me. Something magical 
seems to happen around 3 inches for dirt and rock, 4-5 inch tires make 
light snow a lot of fun.

Joe in GJT

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