[RBW] Re: V-Brake and Canti...

[Ash]

This might be tangential, but here's an observation I made recently while 
playing with Canti brakes.  When the cable stop is mounted on the stem (ie 
farther from the brakes), the setup becomes more squeak-prone as compared 
to a fork mounted cable stop.   I was intrigued and changed around the 
cable stop a couple of times without changing anything else with the 
brakes.  It squeaked repeatedly more with stem-mounted.  I can probably 
reduce the sound or even eliminate with better toe-in pad adjustment, but 
the bottom line is fork-mounted cable stop setup is more forgiving.

On Wednesday, 21 October 2020 at 13:03:06 UTC-7 S wrote:

> I don't see how this general idea is wrong or "misinformation":
>
> "I try to make this slotted part of the arm be perpendicular to the brake 
> pad post when the pad contacts the rim.  Why?  Because this lets the pad 
> hit the rim as squarely as possible.  Too far past 90 degrees and the brake 
> loses power (especially true with v-brakes) and when the arm is past 90 
> degrees, it’s on its way to promoting the pad diving under the rim."
>
> And the relative position of the straddle cable is key to making cantis 
> work. So anything that affects that, including washers, is important. 
> On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 12:16:49 PM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> Sorry, but that article is full of misinformation as are many articles on 
>> cantilever brakes. The brake pad rim contact point to cantilever pivot 
>> point is constant regardless of where the pad washers are - it is a fixed 
>> distance. It is fixed by the relative position of the cantilever braze on 
>> to the rim surface and does not change by changing the pad washers or even 
>> brand of brake - the relative motion of the pad to rim is constant 
>> regardless of the shape of the metal in between. Changing the pad washers 
>> only changes:
>>  1. the the relative location of the straddle cable attachment points to 
>> each other and to the straddle hanger
>>  2. the amount of flex between the brake pad and the pivot point.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 2:06:56 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>>>
>>> Although I have switched to using V-brakes, I agree that cantis work 
>>> well when set up properly. Has anyone linked this article yet? Good tips:
>>> https://blackmtncycles.com/get-the-most-out-of-your-canti-brake/
>>>
>>> I also agree with Ash that the model of canti can make a big difference. 
>>>
>>> I think technique may sometimes play a part in fork judder or perceived 
>>> lack of modulation when using V-brakes. Because of the greater mechanical 
>>> advantage, they require a much lighter touch on the levers than cantis or 
>>> calipers. When I first switched to Vs, until I learned to lighten up, I 
>>> nearly sent myself over the bars several times. Now I have no problems. I 
>>> find the feel of Vs very similar to mechanical disc brakes 
>>> On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 8:59:47 AM UTC-7 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
>>>> I question the notion that these attributes represent a "significant 
>>>> advantage." My Trek 830 still has the original basic cantilever brakes 
>>>> from 
>>>> 1984. I don't think the pads, cables, or housing have been changed. Stops 
>>>> like a charm. Even after being under all that averse tension and 
>>>> compression for the past 36 years. Also cantilevers have been stopping 
>>>> tandems, loaded touring bikes, and racing bikes for many years. I get that 
>>>> people don't like working with them, But it's just another personal 
>>>> technology decision, like whether you want to use indexing, or electronic 
>>>> shifting, or friction. Cantilever brakes are effective when they are set 
>>>> up 
>>>> the way they are supposed to be set up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 10:06:14 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>>>> NY wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Daniel's statement makes some sense- "but there are significant 
>>>>> benefits to long-pull brakes, both rim and mechanical disc, in that the 
>>>>> cable is under less tension so the cable stretches less and the housing 
>>>>> compresses less as a result."
>>>>> That's enough of a reason to never use cantilevers again. I use Avid 
>>>>> Speed Dial levers for the adjustable pull built in to the lever. 
>>>>> Currently 
>>>>> all set on long

[RBW] Re: What v-brakes for Susie?

[Ash]

For a couple of weeks I had used Avid single digit 7 v-brakes, with 
650bx2.15 Almotion tires.  Felt like there was just enough room for 
fenders.  Hence these brakes *won't* be an option for those wider tires you 
want to use.

 Now I'm running Avid Shorty Ultimate cantis.


On Monday, 19 October 2020 at 21:21:02 UTC-7 Daniel M wrote:

> Igor,
>
> Not sure if you've seen this but if it were me, I'd get the longest arms I 
> could find. Looks like 110mm is easy to find and there is one Tektro model 
> at 120mm:
>
> https://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/
>
> Daniel M
> Berkeley, CA
>

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Re: [RBW] Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ash]

Andrew, got it!

I decided to order it anyway.  Will chime in with my observations in a week.

@chris halasz, it is indeed a disappointment that it does not have those 
saddlebag loops.  

On Thursday, 15 October 2020 at 16:15:09 UTC-7 Andrew Letton wrote:

> Hi Ash,
> I don't actually have that new C67; I just got an email from Brooks 
> announcing it as a new product.
> cheers,
> Andrew
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020, 09:23:21 AM GMT+11, Ash  
> wrote: 
>
>
> Hey Andrew, 
>
> That's saddle looks fascinating.  I wasn't aware it existed!  Do you mind 
> sharing a quick review after a few rides?  
>
> I have B17, C17, B68 and B67, but those pictures make me think this might 
> be worth a try.
>
> Thanks,
> Ash 
>
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Re: [RBW] Best saddle for very upright posture?

[Ash]

Hey Andrew, 

That's saddle looks fascinating.  I wasn't aware it existed!  Do you mind 
sharing a quick review after a few rides?  

I have B17, C17, B68 and B67, but those pictures make me think this might 
be worth a try.

Thanks,
Ash 

>
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[RBW] Re: Fit Question for a newbie

[Ash]

Hi Chase,  I'm one centimeter taller than you with PBH of 81.  I've owned 
50 MIT Atlantis, 51 Appa and 46 Appa.   As for the Atlantis, 50cm is most 
definitely your size.  IMO, 50cm Atlantis is almost identical to 46cm Appa 
in terms of geometry and how they ride. One notable exception is 'stack'. 
 The Atlantis is a bit more upright friendly.  

As for 51 vs 46 Appa, I think 46 would be a better fit for you.  There is a 
*small* trade-off between precision/control vs ride comfort.  The 51 ride 
smoother.  I felt like its front fork had a bit more shock-absorbing 
quality.   The down side was that at times I felt it was a bit unwieldy for 
my height esp when loaded with some groceries.  

Cheers,
Ash
 

On Monday, 12 October 2020 at 17:54:22 UTC-7 chase@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am new to this group (though have been reading the forum for bit)... I 
> have been saving up and am finally getting ready to purchase a Riv! For 
> sure planning to get an Appaloosa or Atlantis... would love to hear any 
> ideas on fit. I am just under 5'6" with a PBH (no shoes) that is either 78 
> or 79 depending on the day. From what I can figure out a 50 Atlantis would 
> be a good fit. I've talked to some folks about the Appaloosa and it seems I 
> am between sizes on the Appaloosa. Hard since these aren't bikes we can 
> just go try out. Any feedback would be awesome! Or if anyone in the NYC 
> area with any of these bikes in these sizes and would be open to meeting up 
> (totally understand if you aren't) that would be cool! 
>
> Thanks!
>
> Chase
>

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[RBW] Re: Wheelset for Joe Appaloosa

[Ash]

I've previously owned a 650b Appa with Atlas.  My current bike Susie has 
Cliffhangers.  I feel that Atlas is the sweet spot for Appa.  My fav 
general purpose tire Almotions somehow felt a tad nicer on Atlas.  Maybe be 
because the tire balloons a bit more given the narrower rim width.  

On Monday, 12 October 2020 at 18:24:55 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi River,
>
> Rich @ Riv built a really nice Atlas set with WI hubs for my custom. 
> Pricey, but you could do a dyno front and Shimano rear for less money with 
> the same rims. He can be reached at Rich @ rivbike . com. 
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2020 at 5:55:03 PM UTC-7 River Bailey wrote:
>
>> Looking for advice on upgrading my wheelset. Just built my JA with the 
>> Velocity-Built Budget Alex. Looking to run a Dyno front light sooo? The 
>> Velocity-Built Riv standard Atlas seems like a good solution but they're 
>> sold out. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_4178.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Frame - Susie W. Longbolts / Wolbis Slugstone 53cm!

[Ash]

This's a very good deal!  The next batch is probably 18 month out or longer.

Of the two Rivs and two other bikes I have Susie is the one that gets 
ridden the most these days.  Gravel rides with kid's trailer attached, 
grocery runs, bring take out food from next town, a 8-mile quick fitness 
ride during lunch breaks.. this bike can be used so many ways.  I even did 
a 100k a month ago.  Now I'm planning a loaded multi-day tour on Susie 
sometime this year.   Best of luck Paul.
On Friday, 9 October 2020 at 08:47:58 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hello Everyone!
>
> I have a beautiful BLUE Susie W. Longbolts frame for sale in the (now sold 
> out) 53cm size. 
>
> Comes with a 73cm square taper Shimano 113 BB installed, which will pair 
> perfectly with most Sugino or Rivendell cranks. If you need a seatpost I am 
> happy to throw in a new 26.8 Rivendell Seatpost as well, as I have an extra 
> here.
>
> (Susies don't come with seatpost of bottom bracket like other Riv frames, 
> Will told me it's because they figure some people might want to use modern 
> cranks).
>
> You can see images here 
> 
> .
>
> Price is $1500 and I'll ship it anywhere in the continental US for free. 
> Trying to keep the price fair as this board has been such a useful source 
> of advice for me!
>
> Nothing bad to say about the Susie! Received the frame new a few weeks ago 
> from Rivendell, figured as a replacement for the Atlantis that I use as a 
> gravel/dirt road bike. After building it up and riding the Susie a dozen 
> miles (on Asphalt) I realized I just prefer the Atlantis — I'm probably 
> just used to my old bike. We live in town now, and I have limited storage 
> so can't keep it for fun as I'd wish.
>
> The frame is in perfect condition besides being built up once and ridden 
> for a few hours. I'm a fairly experienced builder, and mainly tested the 
> bike on the road. There are no scuffs or marks I can find. I don't think 
> this Susie would come off as anything but brand new once it is built it up 
> by you!
>
> Images attached, LMK if you've questions. :)
>
> Much love,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: BRP

[Ash]

I happily contributed to BRP, but after hearing the legality issue, I'm 
hoping they would donate the funds to a good (related) cause instead of 
this program.  Lawyers are expensive and margins are razor thin in bike 
business.

On Friday, 2 October 2020 at 11:25:41 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Yes it's known as redlining, or in this case would be kind of a reverse 
> redlining. Unless RBW has an army of lawyers on retainer (they don't) this 
> is a well-intentioned bad idea. Reparations would have to be passed by 
> Congress and established into law for this to work. 
>
> On Friday, October 2, 2020 at 9:26:33 AM UTC-7 Michael G wrote:
>
>> Regardless of good intentions and what you may think of BRP, price 
>> discrimination on the basis of race is illegal under Federal law.
>>
>>
>> https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/discrimination-on-the-basis-of-race-ethnicity-or-national-origin/
>>
>> "you cannot be charged a different price because of your race, ethnicity, 
>> or national origin."
>>
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[RBW] Re: Cycling Increased during Pandemic

[Ash]

It is interesting how all those bikes in the picture have an Albatross like 
bar and bikes almost look like a Riv!

Here's I mostly see drops bars and straight bar MTBs out on the roads. 
 Neither is very convenient for day to day biking.

On Friday, 2 October 2020 at 07:07:37 UTC-7 James Valiensi wrote:

> Just read this article:
>
> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54353914
>

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[RBW] Re: My Electric Sam

[Ash]

Very nice bike Sky.  Sounds like a fun project too.

While most electric bikes are not as much fun to ride as a Riv, some peddle 
assist does have real use.  If I ever end up having a 10-15 miles commute, 
I'd definitely consider converting my Susie to electric.  I love the 
simplicity of a normal bike.  I also love biking 10-15 miles with pure 
muscle power.  In reality, I'd probably end up driving more often than not, 
due to time constraints, needing to shower when I get to work etc.  An 
e-bike solves those problems.  When there are dozen of traffic lights/stop 
signs along the way, any quicker acceleration after every stop quickly adds 
up and shortens the commute time considerably.  If used wisely, 
peddle-assist makes the ride safer too.  I would not be lazy to slow down 
in iffy conditions (such as a car looking to enter the road, stop signs), 
because there's not much effort to regain the speed!

Enjoy your e-Sam!

On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 12:19:43 UTC-7 Sky Coulter wrote:

> I recently bought an ebike that was listed on my local craigslist.  I have 
> been on the fence about ebikes for a while worrying that by riding one I 
> would lose some of the fitness benefits of commuting under my own power.  
> And, if I'm honest, a lingering feeling that riding an ebike is a form of 
> 'cheating'. What got me off the fence was a sam hillborne in my size with a 
> bionx kit.  I figured I could buy it and if I didn't like it, I could 
> separate the rivendell form the ebike parts and not lose too much money on 
> the experiment.
>
> In truth it's been a revelation.  I still get a pretty solid workout on 
> the way into work - my heart rate is within 10 beats of what it is when I 
> ride my atlantis.  But now, when I have a rough day or a day that goes too 
> long (which seems to be happening w quite a bit of regularity lately) I 
> have the peace of mind of knowing that I can just increase the assistance 
> level on the bike and take it easy.  
>
> In fact, I'm such a convert that I've ordered a Riese and Muller load 60 
> for my wife to take our youngest to preschool and run errands.  I'm coming 
> to think that ebikes and cargo ebikes in particular make a great deal of 
> sense as alternative transportation devices.  
>
> Anyway, here is a picture of my electric sam from the ride in this 
> morning.  At first I had planned on swapping out the moustache bars but now 
> I find myself kind of liking them and of having three bikes setup w three 
> different handlebars (atlantis=drops, sam+moustache, 
> clementine=choco-moose).
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
>
>   
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Roadini Grilver 54 Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost

[Ash]

I concur with Joe.  It very much feels like a road bike to me.  I used to 
own a late 80's Bianchi Eros.  It was definitely a pure road bike. 
 Everything was so skinny on that.. tubing, rim, tires, cranks..  Now I 
have a 2016 Raleigh Record Ace, a road bike as well.  A month ago I picked 
up a Roadini frame because(a)  it was on sale  (b) I just love the looks of 
this silver bike with all shiny silver components.  I sort of built it as a 
showpiece, but now I end up grabbing it for every other ride.  It rides as 
lively as the other road bikes I have been on.  Except, I feel like Roadini 
is a bit comfier.  After riding Joe, Atlantis and Susie, it feels like 
Roadini can only run.  It can't walk :)



On Thursday, 1 October 2020 at 13:40:01 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I don't know which current bikes you have or what you picture as a "pure 
> road" bike so I'll provide my experience: I have two 650B Rivs with cantis 
> or v-brakes built pretty stout (Bombadil and Riv Custom), and used to have 
> a 54cm Roadini. I consider the Roadini with 700 x 33.3 Jack Browns a 
> livelier, lighter road bike and highly recommend it for bombing around town 
> at a fast clip. 
>
> On Thursday, October 1, 2020 at 10:01:22 AM UTC-7 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> So I don't have a "pure road" bike. I've got a 650b all road and a road 
>> touring bike. Thoughts from the group on if this would be good to have as 
>> my only "pure road" bike? 
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 30, 2020 at 10:09:32 AM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>
>>> Brakes are sold.
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:51:50 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:
>>>
 Also for sale, Shimano Brakes BR-R451  - $35 shipped to continental USA.

 On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 8:44:27 PM UTC-4 RDS wrote:

> For sale is a size 54 Grilver Roadini Frame/Fork/Headset/BB/Seatpost.  
> Purchased in Oct 2019 (from Rivelo I think).  Less than 500 miles on the 
> frame.  The included BB is Shimano BBUN55 113mm.  The worst scratches is 
> on 
> the top tube where the bike rack arm pushed down on the cable onto the 
> top 
> tube (see pics) & where the FD was located.  I will have the frame packed 
> by REI.  Ships from Georgia.  Asking $600 shipped to continental USA.  
> Contact offlist if interested.  Paypal for payment unless we can work out 
> another arrangement.  
> Pics:  
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1fa0woQ5CT1ZrVdPOsqz0iJ7KvAlYtxj8?usp=sharing
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Platypus: First Look

[Ash]

Congratulations on a one-of-a-kind bike.  This's the most striking color 
I've seen on a bike!!


On Wednesday, 30 September 2020 at 09:53:59 UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Braxton went to Rivendell yesterday and sent me these photos...I think 
> they show the color a little more truly...
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 30, 2020, at 9:20 AM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
>
> Having your new model frame secured before the pre-sale goes live, in a 
> custom color just for you, is a real good sign you're properly Riv-fam. 
>
>
> I am very excited to watch this one come together! 
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[RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[Ash]

Paul, 

Nice bike.  The color theme is very cool!   

Which grips are those?  Look very comfy.

On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 13:23:53 UTC-7 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> I made some changes on my Sam this morning.
>
> Most notable, the shifters, brake levers, 
> cable housing, 45T outer chain ring and rear derailer.
>
> I need to fine tune positioning of the thumb shifters.
>
> The blue housing seemed cool in my visualization but now installed I'm not 
> too sure.
>
> Also I think the orange pedals will be replaced by silver.
>
> I do kinda dig the blue chain ring.
>
> Paul in Dallas
>
>
> [image: Image][image: Image][image: Image][image: Image] 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Ash]

Riv staff.

On Saturday, 26 September 2020 at 21:02:10 UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> Where did you see those figures?  Thanks 
>
> On Saturday, September 26, 2020 at 10:28:15 PM UTC-4 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Oh interesting!  The 51 Sam actually shortened by 15mm then, that 
>> surprises me.  
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 3:53 PM Ash  wrote:
>>
>>> If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in 
>>> top tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 
>>> 51cm frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
>>>> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I 
>>>> don't notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs 
>>>> over what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
>>>> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top 
>>>> tube 
>>>> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
>>>> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
>>>> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the 
>>>> Sam 
>>>> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
>>>> just postulating. 
>>>>
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[RBW] Re: Sam Standover Hieghts for 51 & 55

[Ash]

If anybody runs into this discussion thread and would be interested in top 
tube lengths on the new Sams,  size 48cm frame has 53cm TT and size 51cm 
frame has 55cm top tube. These are official numbers.

On Friday, 25 September 2020 at 11:35:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I forgot to add, I swap between 42mm and 48mm tires on my Sam and I don't 
> notice the difference in standover - I think that is splitting hairs over 
> what's arguably the least important of the fit numbers. I would be 
> surprised if the newest batch of Sams doesn't grow a few mm in the top tube 
> lengths; the previous batches are quite squarely between drop bar and 
> upright bar fit, which I love because I can now run drops with a 5-6 cm 
> stem or albatross with a 11-12cm stem.  I get the sense though that the Sam 
> is not being considered a drop bar bike as much anymore by Riv, though I'm 
> just postulating. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: It's a Bombadil

[Ash]

Very nice colorJoe!

Questions.  What are those luxurious looking grips?  Which handlebar bag is 
that?

On Tuesday, 22 September 2020 at 18:48:04 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I finally finished it! Its a 52cm Toyo, early parallel-tube version (the 
> one I like). No paint, which was an interesting experience for a notorious 
> paint panicker as I was working. I can't scratch it! 😂
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/zoKtKnW1Bnxoz1qg8
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ash]

Zem,  I did not ride it that day.  In normal times I'd be comfortable 
requesting a ride and being the most awesome bunch, Riv folks would have 
set it up for me.  This stop was supposed to be for a socially-distanced 
order pickup.  I was glad they hung out with me and chatted  briefly and 
pulled out the bike for me to hold and look.  One of these days I may 
schedule a test ride and drive up there.  It seemed like the front fork 
details were not final, but overall it felt like a Roadini (the TT might be 
straight or less curvy, if remember) slightly moving toward AHH.  I noticed 
that it had a braze to attach the center kickstand.  Definitely longer 
chain stay than the Roadini.

The more I ride the Roadini the more I'm liking it.  For those who doesn't 
feel like waiting for 6-10 months, they can't go wrong picking a Roadini 
instead of CHG, IMO.  It is by far the most enjoyable road bike I have been 
on.  It is buttery smooth, it flies!

sorry about the longer-than-called-for reply :)
On Tuesday, 22 September 2020 at 09:11:55 UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ash - any ride quality impressions relative to the Roadini or other Riv 
> models?
>
> On Sunday, September 20, 2020 at 6:19:32 PM UTC-4 Ash wrote:
>
>> Recently I had a chance to look at CGH prototype in person at WHQ.  A 
>> worthy successor to the  Roadini.  I really liked what I saw.Was ready 
>> to put the money down if they would take it!   
>>
>> I'd have replaced those mini V-brakes with the upcoming Cantis.  But if 
>> CHG comes with no canti studs, I'm going to pass.
>>
>> Leah, don't worry too much about parts shortage.  Being the Rivendell 
>> Ambassador, l you would be able to crowd-source them here!
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 19:54:22 UTC-7 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> Dang, I really wanted to get one of these, and hoped to be gainfully 
>>> employed again by the time they are out. I’m no really interested anymore 
>>> if it’s going to be made for long reach calipers. I don’t understand that 
>>> change, but wish them well. Being able to run cantis was what was sealing 
>>> the deal for me. It’s really a great design otherwise, but with big tire 
>>> clearance, I really want cantis. 
>>>
>>> Eamon 
>>> Seattle 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW's Banana Sax with inside flap for security is available.

[Ash]

The standoff solution is so simple and fantastic!  Such possibility never 
occurred to me!  One could buy the acorn product or there are many options 
to make one.

Thanks fellas.

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Re: [RBW] KOMA bike light or similar?

[Ash]

The KiLEY rear light and Rocket Retro front lights are absolutely gorgeous!


On Tuesday, 22 September 2020 at 12:21:25 UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> The Kiley front lights are available here. 
>
>
> https://everydaybicycles.com/collections/span-style-display-none-kiley-bicycle-light-collection-span
>
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Joel Stern  wrote:
>
> Shipping is more than the light.  Where are they shipping from? $30+ for 
> shipping 1 light
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2020 at 2:57 PM Ray  wrote:
>
>> Glad to hear they come so highly recommended here. I'll try to report 
>> back if I ever get a chance to test them myself. I send an email to 
>> jitensha about ordering but haven't heard back yet. I've never ordered from 
>> them before so no sure if that's normal. If that route doesn't work, I'll 
>> keep an eye on the ronsbikes website or get in touch with the man himself. 
>> Thanks, Benjamin and John for sharing!
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 22, 2020 at 11:13:07 AM UTC-5 John O'shea wrote:
>>
>>> I've purchased a couple from Blue Lug and they're great lights but 
>>> shipping is a lot. Ultraromance's webstore   
>>> has had these lights available there in the past shipping from CT I 
>>> believe, but it looks like he's currently out of stock. Might be worth 
>>> emailing him or messaging him on Instagram to see if he's going to restock 
>>> anytime soon? 
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 21, 2020 at 12:55:05 PM UTC-4 Ray wrote:
>>>
 Apologies if this is off-topic, but I thought since Riv and Blue Lug 
 are so closely tied, it might be appropriate.

 Blue Lug recently advertised these KOMA lights that they are selling on 
 the global site: 
 https://global.bluelug.com/bl-select-koma-light-rear-black.html

 I really appreciate the simple design and the concept. I've found that 
 most bike tail lights attach to the seatpost. This doesn't work for me 
 most 
 of the time because I like to use a saddle bag that would cover the light. 
 I know they also make clip-on lights that can attach to the saddle bag, 
 but 
 I also don't love this solution because I've found that the angle of the 
 light can change pretty easily without a more fixed point and doesn't 
 always direct the light the way you might want. 

 Anyway, the BL light looks great to me but the shipping cost is just 
 too much to stomach. If anyone knows of other vendors that sell these I'd 
 love to find them, but I suspect these are made specifically for BL as my 
 searching hasn't returned them anywhere else. I was wondering if any of 
 you 
 knew of something similar or if you've found another solution?

 Thanks!
 Ray

>>>

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[RBW] Re: RBW's Banana Sax with inside flap for security is available.

[Ash]

I recently got a gray Banana Sax.  When attach it to the saddle though back 
of my thigh hits the bag when I peddle.  Is common?  or maybe it varies 
with the rider's height/seat post length?  After a while it get a bit 
annoying. This bag is great for using in the front.  Looks like it will 
last a hundred years.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ash]

Recently I had a chance to look at CGH prototype in person at WHQ.  A 
worthy successor to the  Roadini.  I really liked what I saw.Was ready 
to put the money down if they would take it!   

I'd have replaced those mini V-brakes with the upcoming Cantis.  But if CHG 
comes with no canti studs, I'm going to pass.

Leah, don't worry too much about parts shortage.  Being the Rivendell 
Ambassador, l you would be able to crowd-source them here!


On Saturday, 19 September 2020 at 19:54:22 UTC-7 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> Dang, I really wanted to get one of these, and hoped to be gainfully 
> employed again by the time they are out. I’m no really interested anymore 
> if it’s going to be made for long reach calipers. I don’t understand that 
> change, but wish them well. Being able to run cantis was what was sealing 
> the deal for me. It’s really a great design otherwise, but with big tire 
> clearance, I really want cantis.
>
> Eamon 
> Seattle 

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

Da Vinci crank indeed looks like a very high quality product.

On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 10:23:28 UTC-7 abraham nussbaum wrote:

> Those pictures were straight from da Vinci's website. The three holes are 
> to accommodate the growing legs of stokers. (BTW: da Vinci is great-- they 
> repainted a vintage Serotta for me. I highly recommend them if you live in 
> Denver and need repainting.)
>
> Here are pix  from 
>  my own setup. (Sorry, it's 
> not a Riv.) 
>
> I am using the crankset as a single, but like that it can also work as a 
> double or triple.
>
> Happy riding, A
>
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[RBW] Re: A Long Low In The Wild

[Ash]

Haven't seen that lighting arrangement before!  I tip my hat every time I 
see someone actually use a 53t chainring!   I won't be able to make any of 
my bikes move when the chain on such a massive chainring and the smallest 
cog, unless I standup the whole time :)

On Thursday, 17 September 2020 at 10:23:13 UTC-7 Stephen Fredette wrote:

> The topic of the Long Low having been raised, here is mine, from 2000, 
> built by Curt Goodrich. A wonderful bike and always a work in progress. 
> Stephen Fredette
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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

Dave,  

Thanks! 

Dura Ace 7400 does look quite decent.  Adding it to my personal crankset 
knowledge base :)


On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 at 11:24:05 UTC-7 Dave Grossman wrote:

> I found a Dura Ace 7400 49/38 and I've been pretty happy with it.  Fits 
> the aesthetic perfectly on my 61.
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 12:52:01 PM UTC-5 Ash wrote:
>
>> Laing,
>>
>> I have noted down those pictures and names this time!  Thanks for sharing 
>> the info.   Rene Herse 42/26 would've been ideal.  Oh boy the price is 
>> insane.  Way more than I'd like to spend.  IRD too is out of my budget at 
>> the moment.
>>
>> Looks like some UK web shop is selling Holdsworth cranks.  It look 
>> gorgeous.  Hard to tell if they are good/authentic.  I'd have ordered them 
>> anyway, if I not for the iBob pointer Evan E shared.
>>
>> Nice bikes!  Your single speed setup looks sweet!
>>
>> On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 at 05:46:54 UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Before I put the IRD double on the Roadini, I had a Holdsworth (similar 
>>> to an IRD single) single 1x10 setup:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_1774s.jpg]
>>>
>>> I run an NOS Spidel double crank with a single Sugino drillium chainring 
>>> (3/32 chain so it can be used on a derailleur bike also) on my Frank Jones, 
>>> Sr.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0126.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, both cranks a basically copies of the Campagnolo Nuovo Record.
>>>
>>> I currently am building an NOS Stronglight 93 (similar to the 
>>> Stronglight 105 below) into a semi compact double:
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> And of course there is always the 42/26 Rene Herse if you want to get 
>>> really spendy:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_0687 (2).jpg]
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 12:14:22 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>>> All, much appreciate all the recos.
>>>>
>>>> Now I know what to hunt for (if I choose to go the classics route on 
>>>> eBay) or budget for (IRD/VO).  The Silver cranks are superb, but I feel 
>>>> that it better suites (in terms of aesthetics)  a country bike like Sam or 
>>>> Atlantis.  
>>>>
>>>> In the past I have seen some bike pictures on this forum that had 
>>>> really cool looking minimal crank sets that I would have loved to put on 
>>>> the Roadini.  Wish I had asked the owners for details.  
>>>>
>>>> I'd be interested to hear if anybody has experience running 1x with 
>>>> chainring that's not specifically designed for 1x.  In general I'm a fan 
>>>> of 
>>>> 2x setup.  I have Rivendell's Clipper wide low and XT 28/40t cranks.  They 
>>>> have worked perfectly for me on various Riv-fied hybrids/MTBs, Appaloosa, 
>>>> Atlantis and Susie.   After riding those bikes this Roadini doesn't even 
>>>> feel like it needs multiple gears!  For the speeds I ride, there's no need 
>>>> for a chainring bigger than 44t ever.  If I compromise the top speed a 
>>>> little more and go with single 40 or 42t chainring, I can probably manage 
>>>> most uphill roads around here with 34t cog, provided the setup can be 
>>>> reliable.
>>>>
>>>> Again, thanks for the pointers!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

Laing,

I have noted down those pictures and names this time!  Thanks for sharing 
the info.   Rene Herse 42/26 would've been ideal.  Oh boy the price is 
insane.  Way more than I'd like to spend.  IRD too is out of my budget at 
the moment.

Looks like some UK web shop is selling Holdsworth cranks.  It look 
gorgeous.  Hard to tell if they are good/authentic.  I'd have ordered them 
anyway, if I not for the iBob pointer Evan E shared.

Nice bikes!  Your single speed setup looks sweet!

On Wednesday, 16 September 2020 at 05:46:54 UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> Before I put the IRD double on the Roadini, I had a Holdsworth (similar 
> to an IRD single) single 1x10 setup:
>
> [image: IMG_1774s.jpg]
>
> I run an NOS Spidel double crank with a single Sugino drillium chainring 
> (3/32 chain so it can be used on a derailleur bike also) on my Frank Jones, 
> Sr.
>
> [image: IMG_0126.jpg]
>
>
> Yes, both cranks a basically copies of the Campagnolo Nuovo Record.
>
> I currently am building an NOS Stronglight 93 (similar to the Stronglight 
> 105 below) into a semi compact double:
>
>
> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>
> And of course there is always the 42/26 Rene Herse if you want to get 
> really spendy:
>
> [image: IMG_0687 (2).jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 16, 2020 at 12:14:22 AM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
>> All, much appreciate all the recos.
>>
>> Now I know what to hunt for (if I choose to go the classics route on 
>> eBay) or budget for (IRD/VO).  The Silver cranks are superb, but I feel 
>> that it better suites (in terms of aesthetics)  a country bike like Sam or 
>> Atlantis.  
>>
>> In the past I have seen some bike pictures on this forum that had really 
>> cool looking minimal crank sets that I would have loved to put on the 
>> Roadini.  Wish I had asked the owners for details.  
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear if anybody has experience running 1x with 
>> chainring that's not specifically designed for 1x.  In general I'm a fan of 
>> 2x setup.  I have Rivendell's Clipper wide low and XT 28/40t cranks.  They 
>> have worked perfectly for me on various Riv-fied hybrids/MTBs, Appaloosa, 
>> Atlantis and Susie.   After riding those bikes this Roadini doesn't even 
>> feel like it needs multiple gears!  For the speeds I ride, there's no need 
>> for a chainring bigger than 44t ever.  If I compromise the top speed a 
>> little more and go with single 40 or 42t chainring, I can probably manage 
>> most uphill roads around here with 34t cog, provided the setup can be 
>> reliable.
>>
>> Again, thanks for the pointers!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

Evan, 

Thanks a bunch for alerting me to David's FS post.  I have sent him a PM. 
 In a long run I want to have a bit more fancier one.  But Suntour XC will 
likely look fancy enough once I see it.  Besides, it comes with a 40t 
chainring, which is probably the only chainring I'll need for a while.

Spa Cycles crank is indeed a great deal!  If David's options does not pan 
out I'll try Spa.

Cheers,
Ash
 

On Tuesday, 15 September 2020 at 23:03:45 UTC-7 Evan E. wrote:

> Ash,
>
> If you search “FS - Suntour XC, XT, Dura Ace, Tires, etc.” on the iBOB 
> list, you’ll find a Sugino AT crankset, 170, offered from listmember David 
> KW for $50.  The AT is a triple, but of course you could run it as a 
> compact double.
>
> If you search for “Spa Cycles XD-2 Touring Cranks“ you’ll find unbranded 
> silver Sugino crank arms for 27 pounds sterling. Double or triple, with 
> arms 160, 165, 170, 172.5, or 175.  I just saw a note on their site that 
> because of COVID they are not shipping outside of the UK. But perhaps that 
> will change? At any rate, the shipping costs about 20 pounds if I recall, 
> but hey, the crank arms cost 27 pounds. They offer complete cranksets, too.
>
> Just two more options to consider!
>
> Evan
>
> On Tuesday, September 15, 2020 at 9:14:22 PM UTC-7 Ash wrote:
>
>> All, much appreciate all the recos.
>>
>> Now I know what to hunt for (if I choose to go the classics route on 
>> eBay) or budget for (IRD/VO).  The Silver cranks are superb, but I feel 
>> that it better suites (in terms of aesthetics)  a country bike like Sam or 
>> Atlantis.  
>>
>> In the past I have seen some bike pictures on this forum that had really 
>> cool looking minimal crank sets that I would have loved to put on the 
>> Roadini.  Wish I had asked the owners for details.  
>>
>> I'd be interested to hear if anybody has experience running 1x with 
>> chainring that's not specifically designed for 1x.  In general I'm a fan of 
>> 2x setup.  I have Rivendell's Clipper wide low and XT 28/40t cranks.  They 
>> have worked perfectly for me on various Riv-fied hybrids/MTBs, Appaloosa, 
>> Atlantis and Susie.   After riding those bikes this Roadini doesn't even 
>> feel like it needs multiple gears!  For the speeds I ride, there's no need 
>> for a chainring bigger than 44t ever.  If I compromise the top speed a 
>> little more and go with single 40 or 42t chainring, I can probably manage 
>> most uphill roads around here with 34t cog, provided the setup can be 
>> reliable.
>>
>> Again, thanks for the pointers!
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

All, much appreciate all the recos.

Now I know what to hunt for (if I choose to go the classics route on eBay) 
or budget for (IRD/VO).  The Silver cranks are superb, but I feel that it 
better suites (in terms of aesthetics)  a country bike like Sam or 
Atlantis.  

In the past I have seen some bike pictures on this forum that had really 
cool looking minimal crank sets that I would have loved to put on the 
Roadini.  Wish I had asked the owners for details.  

I'd be interested to hear if anybody has experience running 1x with 
chainring that's not specifically designed for 1x.  In general I'm a fan of 
2x setup.  I have Rivendell's Clipper wide low and XT 28/40t cranks.  They 
have worked perfectly for me on various Riv-fied hybrids/MTBs, Appaloosa, 
Atlantis and Susie.   After riding those bikes this Roadini doesn't even 
feel like it needs multiple gears!  For the speeds I ride, there's no need 
for a chainring bigger than 44t ever.  If I compromise the top speed a 
little more and go with single 40 or 42t chainring, I can probably manage 
most uphill roads around here with 34t cog, provided the setup can be 
reliable.

Again, thanks for the pointers!


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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

One key crankset requirement I missed- my large chainring is going to be 
smaller than the typical road setup.  44t if I decide on double and 36 or 
39t if I go with 1x10.

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 13:36:06 UTC-7 Ash wrote:

> Btw, if you missed out on the Roadini sale, don't worry.  The Charlie H 
> Gallop is going to be better.  After looking at a prototype I paused for a 
> minute  and contemplated if I should skip the Roadini and wait for CHG 
> instead.  I'd have easily gone CHG route if the wait was not 6-ish months.
>
> On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 13:32:14 UTC-7 Ash wrote:
>
>> Bought a Roadini frame in recent sale and put it together with various 
>> 'spare' parts I had.  The handlebar is borrowed from the Susie for now. 
>>  The wheels are from my other 'city bike' that used to be a road bike.
>>
>> It move so easily sometimes it feels like there's hidden pedal-assist in 
>> this bike!   23lbs as shown. 
>>
>> Question 1: what 10 speed, single/double crankset would look nice (and 
>> work/last well too) if I want to stay with the classic/silver looks?  
>>
>> Q2: Do road chainrings and cog sets lend themselves to a reliable 1x10 
>> setup?  i.e., if I'm pending 3 hours uphill to the top of Mt. Hamilton 
>> mostly in biggest and second biggest cogs, would it result in broken 
>> chainring/cog tooth or chain slippage (due to cross-chain)
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Ash
>>
>> PS: the tire on the Roadini is Babyshoe Pass.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Roadini day + request for a good looking crankset recommendation

[Ash]

Btw, if you missed out on the Roadini sale, don't worry.  The Charlie H 
Gallop is going to be better.  After looking at a prototype I paused for a 
minute  and contemplated if I should skip the Roadini and wait for CHG 
instead.  I'd have easily gone CHG route if the wait was not 6-ish months.

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 13:32:14 UTC-7 Ash wrote:

> Bought a Roadini frame in recent sale and put it together with various 
> 'spare' parts I had.  The handlebar is borrowed from the Susie for now. 
>  The wheels are from my other 'city bike' that used to be a road bike.
>
> It move so easily sometimes it feels like there's hidden pedal-assist in 
> this bike!   23lbs as shown. 
>
> Question 1: what 10 speed, single/double crankset would look nice (and 
> work/last well too) if I want to stay with the classic/silver looks?  
>
> Q2: Do road chainrings and cog sets lend themselves to a reliable 1x10 
> setup?  i.e., if I'm pending 3 hours uphill to the top of Mt. Hamilton 
> mostly in biggest and second biggest cogs, would it result in broken 
> chainring/cog tooth or chain slippage (due to cross-chain)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ash
>
> PS: the tire on the Roadini is Babyshoe Pass.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Banana Sack

[Ash]

This thread finally pushed me over the edge and made order one!

On Monday, 14 September 2020 at 07:27:17 UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:

> If you have Moose style bars they fit nicely in the triangulation, too. 
>
> On Monday, September 14, 2020 at 7:25:10 AM UTC-7 Dorothy C wrote:
>
>> On the Riv product page there is a clip showing what you can fit in a 
>> Bananasax
>>
>> https://vimeo.com/271338447
>>
>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 3:02:20 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> Got it.  Thanks.  Just wanted to make sure it wasn't much wider than the 
>>> saddle.  That looks like it'll work quite well.
>>>
>>> doug
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 2:51:25 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:


 Yes   You understand it correctly. I took some pics. Mine is mounted 
 and smushed. Still you’ll see the shape and rough dimensions. You can 
 easily overstuff if needed. 


 On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 5:03:06 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:
>
> So the 9" is from the back opening flap to the front end next to the 
> seatpost?  
>
> And the 7" is width across the saddle?  Looks like it's roughly the 
> same width as the saddle  My Brooks is just a smidgen less that 7" wide 
> at 
> its widest point.
>
> Thanks for your help on this.
>
> doug
>
> On Sunday, September 13, 2020 at 1:30:13 PM UTC-7, Roberta wrote:
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> It is longest top to bottom. 
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Ash]

Paul,

As for your question on Susie's turning characteristics given how far out 
the front wheel is, I have not noticed any problem.  Generally it feels so 
stable, I feel the bike is doing the steering for me.  If Elon Musk were to 
market this bike, he'd definitely claim it came with autopilot feature :)

3-4 weeks ago I rode 100k with ~15 lbs weight in Wald's basket in the 
front. One small issue I noticed happens at tight corners on trails.  It 
requires a tad  bit more maneuvering effort  than regular (the 50cm MIT 
Atlantis I had owned for instance) bikes.  It probably has more to do with 
overall wheelbase than front-center or fork-rake.   That small 
inconvenience gets you a ton extra ride comfort in return.  The extra bend 
(or maybe the overall angle contributes too) in the fork makes it sort of 
dance when you go over gravels and other road imperfections.  I think it 
acts like a micro shock-absorber.  The feeling is simply delightful.  It 
makes me often avoid the smooth side of the trail and ride on the bumpy 
side, if available.

Cheers,
Ash
On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 17:59:06 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hello Ash
>
>
> Thank you for your note. I really appreciate the advice and photos.
>
>
> Yes, I also concluded that the 53 is right for me, and it does seem to 
> measure super-long. I like Billie Bars, which come way back already, so a 
> short-ish stem should work just fine for me. Do you find that the bike 
> turns funny at all up front give how far that front wheel is out there in 
> front of you? IT seems like a pretty slack angle!
>
>
> Sorry to see the orange skies! I live in Vermont but grew up in Berkeley, 
> and get reports from my mom. Hope it clears up soon!!
>
>
> Best,
>
>
> Paul
>
> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 8:08:11 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Paul,
>>
>> It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this 
>> thread.  Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing
>>
>> I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After 
>> attaching wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized 
>> that it was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've 
>> had 51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs 
>> large in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer 
>> service.  They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits 
>> me much better.  
>>
>> As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
>> relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
>> Bosco!).   
>>
>> Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
>> too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
>> happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
>> bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ash
>>
>> PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
>> used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
>> picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
>> low light.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Y'all.
>>>
>>> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 
>>> PBH I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work 
>>> for me. 
>>>
>>> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
>>> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
>>> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
>>> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
>>> working for you? 
>>>
>>> Can you upload a photo?
>>>
>>> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
>>> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
>>> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
>>> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>>>
>>> Hope I'm making sense here.
>>>
>>> Thanks all!
>>>
>>> 🙏
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.

[Ash]

Steel is real!!!

Come to think of it, the head tube is the only part of the bike frame that 
has inherent fail-safe feature - ie the steerer rube.   Is a very, very, 
very, very, very, very unlikely scenario the head tube breaks or something, 
the steerer tube will hold things together.  The bike may feel wobbly but 
it won't crash.

Congrats on your new bike!

On Thursday, 10 September 2020 at 01:34:00 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> So I put the bike back together.
> I spent a long time considering options about straightening the frame and 
> the headtube. I learned a lot about straightening steel and measuring 
> alignments and all sorts of stuff. Quite a fun journey. In the end the risk 
> of causing further damage to fix something that might not really need 
> fixing became a bit of a debilitating pros versus cons stand off. So I did 
> nothing.
>
> Then Rivendell went and listed those No Frame Prep specials and yeah there 
> was a single top tube 57cm orange Appaloosa so whoops the perfect bike and 
> I bought it.
>
> ANYWAY, I slapped some quality black enamel on the replacement fork and 
> bing bang boom The Silver Stallion is back on the road.
>
> You can see the headset variance is still there at the top but crucially 
> the fork crown race is perfectly perpendicular so my suspicion is that this 
> will work fine for many years. I will check the bearing wear after 500kms 
> or so to see how things are going but I suspect it will be fine. The bike 
> still rides great and straight. Thanks again for everyones help and calming 
> words in my hour of distress.
>
> [image: appabacktogether.jpg][image: appaheadsetangle.jpg][image: 
> appaforkcrown.jpg]
>
> PS. Someone asked in a post I previously missed about the Volvo's period 
> correct bicycle carrier for that is indeed what those tubes are on the 
> trailer hitch are, well spotted!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Oct 2020 Sam Hillborne page

[Ash]

That's an excellent setup!  This Sam can do anything/go anywhere!

Question: which tires are those?  This's probably the widest tires I've 
seen on a Sam.

On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 12:00:18 UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> My Sam in Southern Vermont yesterday...
>
> [image: IMG_2869.jpg][image: IMG_2866.jpg][image: IMG_2864.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 7:47:36 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That's what I thought, too...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG_WZVS9SUY&t=515s
>> 20 seconds into the video, Mark will demonstrate.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 12:41:08 AM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful Sam! The front fender needs to sit higher at the fork crown 
>>> above the wheel. The metal tab can be bent or bent or a spacer used to 
>>> allow a touch more vertical adjustment. Then adjust the stays to get it all 
>>> uniform ideally without inducing toe overlap.
>>>
>>> IanA 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: looking for a Billie bar

[Ash]

Hey Luke,

I have one. Please PM me at ashwath at gmail and I'll share the 
details/pics.



On Wednesday, 9 September 2020 at 08:00:29 UTC-7 Luke Whitmore wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am looking to buy a Billie bar if anyone is interested in selling one. 
> Thanks!
>
>
> best,
>
>
> Luke
>

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[RBW] Re: Susie 53 - 56 Sizing Help Please!

[Ash]

Hey Paul,

It's been a busy day I have not had a chance to catch up with this thread. 
 Regardless, thought I'd share couple of pictures and my two cents.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16-STunfWYCEndP2nIAWrJ6RRfnCyYYm5?usp=sharing

I'm 5'7" with 81cm PBH.  First I picked up a 53cm Wolbis.  After attaching 
wheels, pedals and few stem/handlebar combos, I quickly realized that it 
was too big for me.  It is one loong bike, in the first place. I've had 
51cm Appaloosa before,  but this one felt even longer. This bike runs large 
in general, IMO.  I'm always grateful for Riv's top notch customer service. 
 They happily exchanged the frame for a 50cm version, which fits me much 
better.  

As you can see in the pic, even with the small size, I have to use a 
relatively short reach stem to get full upright riding position (even with 
Bosco!).   

Bottom line, I think 53cm would work better for you.  If the handlebar is 
too close, you have an option to use a longer stem.  But if the frame 
happens to be on the longer side, then there's no  easy/clean option to 
bring the handlebar to a comfortable position.

Cheers,
Ash

PS:  Those pictures were taken around 3pm today.  No retro/sepia filter 
used.  The light has been orange-ish and gloomy all day.  My kid took the 
picture, looks like he was having a hard time focusing the camera, due to 
low light.


On Tuesday, 8 September 2020 at 17:04:05 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Hey Y'all.
>
> I spoke with Grant this afternoon, who told me that at 5'10 with 75.5 PBH 
> I could go for either a M (53) or or L (56) Susie, and they'd both work for 
> me. 
>
> I'd really prefer a 53 because of the 650B wheels, but want to double 
> check the fit before I pre-order. My 5'7" wife just got her 52 Clem L, and 
> I can ride it too but the top of the head tube is a bit low. It would 
> require a maxed out tall stem to get the bars up where I like them.
>
> Does anyone have a 53 Susie out there? How tall are you and how is it 
> working for you? 
>
> Can you upload a photo?
>
> Also if anyone can help: I'm trying to sort out what measurement to ask 
> for that would give me the top of the head tube height vs. top of seat tube 
> height, so I can make sure the head tube is longer than on the Clem L, and 
> that I don't have to have a crazy high stem on the Susie if I buy the 53.
>
> Hope I'm making sense here.
>
> Thanks all!
>
> 🙏
>
> Paul
>

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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[Ash]

Still can't see :)

On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 08:52:17 UTC-7 eric swain wrote:

> That would explain why I'm getting so many emails asking for permission to 
> view the pics! Ok, got it fixed.
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 7:17 AM Max Diener  wrote:
>
>> Just an FYI that you may need to change permissions on those photos so 
>> others can view them--I'm getting denied!
>>
>> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 12:30:58 AM UTC-5, eric swain wrote:
>>>
>>> Hang on. You folks may want some pics. Here ya go!
>>>  IMG_7294.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7295.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7296.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7297.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7298.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7299.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7300.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7301.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7302.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7303.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7304.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7305.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7306.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7307.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7308.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7309.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7310.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7311.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7312.JPG 
>>> 
>>>  IMG_7313.JPG 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:32 AM eric swain  wrote:
>>>

 Hi everybody!

 So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about 
 this for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a 
 shame this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so 
 I'm selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really 
 appropriate for the list but send me a message if interested). 

 About the bike. 

 Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes 
 AND disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs 
 has been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, 
 nothing major, just honest use. 

 Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of 
 a cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it 
 if you like.

 Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver

 Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver

 Bar Tape: Blackburn, white

 Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped 
 lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed, 
 just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)

 Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake 
 adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors

 Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a 
 campy/shimano mix, works great!)

 Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple

 Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34

 Chain: Sram 951

 Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46 
 mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)

 Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm

 Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black

 Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed 
 road freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
 hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.

 Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls

 Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass 
 nipples

>>

[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Ash]

Thanks Justin!  Thanks Paul!

Maybe those knobs are causing an optical illusion that makes the tires look 
wider than 42mm looking at the picture.



On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:57:56 UTC-7 Paul Richardson wrote:

> JINX!!!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Ash]

Does anyone recognize the tire on the orange Hillborne in Danville, CA?



On Friday, 28 August 2020 at 09:00:55 UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Sam Hillborne with e-bike conversion
> 60cm 
> 3000 
> Bellingham, WA 
>
> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/point-roberts-rivendell-samuel/7184801193.html
>  
>
> Sam Hillborne 
> 51cm 
> 2600 
> Danville, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/danville-rivendell-sam-hillborne-51cm/7179234888.html
>  
>
> Romulus 
> 56cm 
> 1500 
> Hayward, CA 
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/hayward-rivendell-romulus/7184853848.html
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Canti Sam Clearance?

[Ash]

I am secretly hoping that the next Sam would be made for wider tires (and 
ever so slightly longer chain-stay).  There's no space in the garage for 
another bike, but I'll somehow make space in the living room if there is 
going to be a 51cm Sam that can run 650bx2.15 Almotions :)


On Wednesday, 26 August 2020 at 14:49:49 UTC-7 Nathan F wrote:

> I run 43mm Gravelkings on my 55 canti sam w/fenders and they fit fine. I 
> think the 50mm would probably squeeze in (assuming they are a slick tire, 
> and not knobby), but you'd be leaving very little room for any debris. That 
> might be an issue if your wheel is ever slightly out of true or dish. And I 
> probably wouldn't ride off road with them.
>
> There hasn't been word about whether the new run of Sams will be identical 
> to the last. The current trend seems to be more and more clearance in each 
> model year, so you may be in luck.
>
> Nathan in PDX
>
> On Wednesday, 26 August 2020 07:55:02 UTC-7, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> I am slowly coming to the realization that my 58cm Toyo Atlantis might be 
>> a smidgen too large for me. So I am considering buying one of the run of 
>> Sams that are coming this fall if they have canti posts. My hope would be 
>> to largely swap over all of my Atlantis build to the Sam (and selling the 
>> Atlantis frameset here). One question I have is about tire clearance. Riv 
>> says  that the 700c 55cm Sam 
>> fits 47mm tires, but I would like to squeeze in my 50mm Gravel Kings. Has 
>> anyone had success with getting slightly larger tires onto their Sam?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Andrew
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: Nitto Billie Bar

[Ash]

Hey Paul,

I have a Billie Bar.  It does have a bunch of scratches because I tried it 
with 7-8 stems before deciding that Boscos work better for me.   If you 
have 52cm ALU Bosco, I'd be happy to trade (assuming the scratches won't 
bother you)

Cheers,
Ash

On Sunday, 23 August 2020 at 08:21:56 UTC-7 ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:

> Does anyone have a Billie bar they'd like to sell?
>
> Happy to pay for it, or can trade a Bosco aluminum, Choco, or North Road 
> bar for it! 
>
> THANK YOU!
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[RBW] Re: A. Homer Hilsen (artistically rendered)

[Ash]

Very nice!  Talented artist for sure.  The negative BB drop is cool too :)

On Thursday, 20 August 2020 at 07:00:09 UTC-7 Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow 
Haus Bicycles wrote:

> VERY COOL!!!
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Charlie H Gallop!

[Ash]

Jason, 

Any intel on when can I order one of these?!!   


On Tuesday, 18 August 2020 at 15:04:14 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> James told me some stuff today about the Charlie H Gallop and I've kept 
> the secret for a full hour now - I hope he wasn't expecting me to hold it 
> in longer than that :D 
>
> - They will be sold as completes with Clem-like pricing (I don't know if 
> they'll be drop bar, upright, or both options) 
> - Rough timing is November to January for them to be available (or maybe 
> that's the presale, don't quote me) 
>
> As someone who has almost all the parts to build one up, I was hoping for 
> frameset only, but if it's near the $1650 complete mark, how can I 
> complain. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brake levers for setting up Canti front and V for rear wheel

[Ash]

Dave,

Thanks for the reminder about the safety recall.  I do check on those bolts 
frequently, but no excuse not to use the Many Strap.  Actually I find this 
front rack clunky.  I'll be getting rid of them soon.  I'm waiting on a 
back Nitto F32 from Analog.




On Saturday, 15 August 2020 at 08:32:19 UTC-7 Dave Johnston wrote:

> I thought of something else you can try with V-brakes: Use shorter
> cross style pads.
> Sometimes the long tail of typical V-Brakes can sort of twist into the
> rims causing a self-energizing effect that makes them grabby. A
> shorter pad may help.
>
> Safety note: The Surly pack rack was recalled. If you use, make sure
> all bolts are tightened well, thread-locked and use a Many Strap from
> the Rack to the handlebars. Since its a loosen issue and not a
> breakage issue I would still use the rack myself as the incidents were
> probably installation error or overloaded racks. The design problem is
> that the Surly rack uses a lot of bolts that could loosen to keep it
> in place. This is true of most Front racks.
>
>
> https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2019/surly-bikes-recalls-bicycle-racks-due-to-crash-and-injury-hazards
>
>
> On 8/14/20, Ash  wrote:
> > Hi Ed, this is small size. It seems like this model 'runs big'. I'm
> > 5'7" and this bike feel a bit bigger than I need.
> >
> > Yes that's the height I keep the seat at.
> >
> > On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 19:06:45 UTC-7 ed wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Ash,
> >> What size is your Susie and is that your correct seat height?
> >> Very nice looking :-)
> >> Edgar
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:58 AM Ash  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Here's my work-in-progress Susie, rocking V-Canti combo.
> >>>
> >>> Rich is still waiting for the front rim. Temporarily I used my road
> >>> bike's (now that it is Riv-fied with Bosco, 650b and R559, I call it
> >>> 'City
> >>> bike') Pacenti Brevets. Did a few rides last weekend with Avid Sing
> >>> Digit
> >>> 7 V-brakes both front and back. Then a few rides with Avid Shorty
> >>> ultimate
> >>> in the front. IMO, there's no comparison when it comes to modulation.
> >>>
> >>> With the Cantis it feels like I can go smoothly 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60,
> >>> 70,
> >>> 80, 90 and 100% brake power based on how hard I squeeze the lever. V
> >>> brake
> >>> without the modulator felt like 10, 40, 90, 100% and a little different
> >>> (mushy) with the modulator that's hard to describe.
> >>>
> >>> Given that the full power this particular Canti gives upon full squeeze
> >>> of the lever is quite close to that with the V, current setup feels 
> right
> >>>
> >>> for the types of rides I go on (70% of the time flat roads/trails,
> >>> occasional hilly rides, rarely wet conditions). However, the asymmetry
> >>> is
> >>> starting to bother me a little. Not sure yet what setup I will settle
> >>> with
> >>> when the build is complete.
> >>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brake levers for setting up Canti front and V for rear wheel

[Ash]

Hi Ed,  this is small size.   It seems like this model 'runs big'.  I'm 
5'7" and this bike feel a bit bigger than I need.

Yes that's the height I keep the seat at.

On Thursday, 13 August 2020 at 19:06:45 UTC-7 ed wrote:

> Hi Ash,
> What size is your Susie and is that your correct seat height?
> Very nice looking :-)
> Edgar
>
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 6:58 AM Ash  wrote:
>
>> Here's my work-in-progress Susie, rocking V-Canti combo.
>>
>> Rich is still waiting for the front rim.   Temporarily I used my road 
>> bike's (now that it is Riv-fied with Bosco, 650b and R559, I call it 'City 
>> bike')  Pacenti Brevets.  Did a few rides last weekend with Avid Sing Digit 
>> 7 V-brakes both front and back.  Then a few rides with Avid Shorty ultimate 
>> in the front.  IMO,  there's no comparison when it comes to modulation.  
>> With the Cantis it feels like I can go smoothly 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 
>> 80, 90 and 100% brake power based on how hard I squeeze the lever.  V brake 
>> without the modulator felt like 10, 40, 90, 100% and a little different 
>> (mushy) with the modulator that's hard to describe.
>>
>> Given that the full power this particular Canti gives upon full squeeze 
>> of the lever is quite close to that with the V, current setup feels right 
>> for the types of rides I go on (70% of the time flat roads/trails, 
>> occasional hilly rides, rarely wet conditions).  However, the asymmetry is 
>> starting to bother me a little.  Not sure yet what setup I will settle with 
>> when the build is complete.
>>
>> [image: swl-2.jpeg]
>>
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[RBW] Re: 31.8 quill stems now available in 0, 30, 50 and 70mm

[Ash]

James,

Good to know they will be back someday!   Website feature request: it would 
be nice if I could type my email id on the product page (similar to Riv 
website) so I can get notified when the product is available for ordering...

Thanks!
ash

On Monday, 10 August 2020 at 05:48:25 UTC-7 James / Analog Cycles wrote:

> Hi Ash,
>
> We will have black Mark's racks as soon as Nitto makes more!  The factory 
> is maxed for the year, so I don't know when exactly that will be.  Once we 
> receive them, they usually spend a month at the cerakoter's.
>
> -James
>
>
> On Sunday, August 9, 2020 at 6:14:43 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> James,  they look really lovely.  
>>
>> Q: when are you bringing back black Mark's rack?  (or F32)
>>
>> On Sunday, 9 August 2020 at 12:07:14 UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:
>>
>>> Just wanted to chime in and say that the fit and finish on these stems 
>>> is phenomenal. I ordered a 30mm to run drops on my Clem and was really 
>>> impressed with the craftsmanship- the expander wedge snugs easily and there 
>>> is no play or "rocking" back in forth felt with the stem run at full 
>>> extension. 
>>>
>>> I really think the design gives you the best of both worlds: clamping 
>>> force and removable faceplate of threadless along with the ease of height 
>>> adjustment of a quill.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 31.8 quill stems now available in 0, 30, 50 and 70mm

[Ash]

James,  they look really lovely.  

Q: when are you bringing back black Mark's rack?  (or F32)

On Sunday, 9 August 2020 at 12:07:14 UTC-7 Weston Hein wrote:

> Just wanted to chime in and say that the fit and finish on these stems is 
> phenomenal. I ordered a 30mm to run drops on my Clem and was really 
> impressed with the craftsmanship- the expander wedge snugs easily and there 
> is no play or "rocking" back in forth felt with the stem run at full 
> extension. 
>
> I really think the design gives you the best of both worlds: clamping 
> force and removable faceplate of threadless along with the ease of height 
> adjustment of a quill.
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[RBW] Are there different sizes of 1" threaded headset?

[Ash]

I'm building up the new Wolbis with mostly black componentry.  Bought a 
black colored 1" Fairweather headset from Blue Lug.  Dropped off the frame 
and the headset at LBS for the swapping.  The bicycle mechanic later called 
and said the headset was not compatible with my frame.  This time I let him 
order the right one (I think he said Origin 8). I brought the headset back 
and double checked the packaging.  It does say 1" threaded.  I'm left 
scratching my head what additional detail I have to specify if I were to 
order a good quality one down the road.  Any clues?

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 52 Clem L or 45 Clem H

[Ash]

Seems like overall price/demand has gone up for all bike things.  Which is 
great!

At our LBS I used to be able to walk straight up to the mechanic in the 
backroom and get my work taken care of.  That's before COVID.  Yesterday I 
took my Susie frame to get the headset replaced (to a black one, for 
aesthetics).  Had to wait in the line outside in the sun for 20 mins (this 
is not even a weekend) before someone had a chance to come out and talk to 
me.  The earliest available appointment was one week out.  I'm really happy 
for them.

On Wednesday, 5 August 2020 at 12:31:26 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> $3500??

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[RBW] Re: Brake levers for setting up Canti front and V for rear wheel

[Ash]

Patrick, Benz, bfd, Joe, Ginz, Dave et al,

More than an anything, this is an itch I've had for while.  As much as I 
like riding, 50% of this hobby is about satisfying my need to tinker with 
things.  Appreciate you sharing your points of view.  They will be handy 
during my ongoing journey through the world of brakes.

 Most likely I'll end up with V for both front and back, but I'll be sure 
to report on the observations from the experiment!

I started with Cantis when I build my first Riv.  For aesthetics, braking 
feel, shudder and squeal reasons I went through 4 or 5 different pairs of 
cantis (including VO Grand Cru, Avid Shorty Ultimate, Tektro 510 or 710, 
Shimano Altus..).  Once I learned setting them up right, VO and Avid worked 
just fine (for my use).  One day I felt like I had developed an OCD for 
adjusting the straddle cable length and switch to v-brakes.  Been kind of 
happy ever since :) 
For the kind of rides I do though, some modulation in the front and 
powerful braking in the rear seems to make sense.  Besides, after two of my 
acquaintances have had real bad accidents going over the handlebar, I am 
overly sensitive to the possibility of front wheel locking up.  I have a 
spare pair of Avid Shorty's.  Hence I figured I'd build Susie with those. 
 The way the rear brake cable routing in Susie, using Cantis for the back 
would require too many bends and curves in the cable path.  I have not 
tried yet, but visually it feels like the braking power would be 
compromised somewhat.  The top tube/seat stay design feels perfect for 
v-brakes.  This situation finally gave me an excuse to try canti/v combo.   
(Cliffhangers have been in short supply.  I've been waiting for last 4 
weeks for my wheels.  An idle mind has a tendency to become devil's 
workshop.. or something like that)



On Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 19:05:31 UTC-7 Dave Johnston wrote:

>
> I used those forte (tektro) dual pull position levers for awhile with 
> canti brakes and found they sucked. Even in the short pull mode they pulled 
> too much cable for cantis so the offered a really stiff feel with very 
> little modulation.
>
> I can't see any reason to run V brakes in the rear unless there is some 
> funky cable routing like on a Mixte, and in that case use V brakes front 
> and rear.
>
> Also what cable housing are you using? If you want a  little more 
> modulation don't use "compressionless" housing.
> I really like Avid Speed dial levers for V-brakes as you can adjust the 
> pull with a knob to the feel you prefer.
>

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[RBW] Re: Brake levers for setting up Canti front and V for rear wheel

[Ash]

@Garthn - bingo!  Those were the kind of levers I wanted.  Wish they were 
all-black, but for my experiment phase I'd be happy to go with those.  Also 
sold on the fork-mounted cable-stop.  Thanks for both recommendations.

On Tuesday, 4 August 2020 at 00:10:45 UTC-7 Garth wrote:

>
> I totally relate to Ash and Will on the preference for a stronger rear 
> brake, as my Bombadil is set up this way using 2 different models of cantis 
> on it. On my local back roads many are unpaved and rather primitive, and 
> all them very hilly, some of which are well over 20 percent grades. Going 
> downhill on these with loose rocks and dirt over over hard larger 
> rocky/limestone surface can be very tricky to say the least. There's no way 
> I'd want a v-brake on front that could lock up, ever !! If the front brake 
> has no modulation, it's worthless to me. 
>
> The beauty of canti is there are endless models and infinite ways of 
> setting them up. You can use short or long pads, thin or thick, and they 
> all work. I rather prefer the smooth post style also. 
>
> On the front you can exchange the stem mounted cable stop for the Tektro 
> fork mounted one, which allows for a cleaner direct-cable look, if that 
> matters, and those hangers from my experience made an already good brake 
> into an outstanding one. (XC Pro canti on my Frankllin). I have one of 
> these hangers for my Bombadil also but haven't gotten around to putting it 
> on yet, hah ! 
>
> I'm referring to these :
>
> <https://cdn.bike24.net/i/mb/41/e2/24/139497-00-c-240636.jpg>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Brake levers for setting up Canti front and V for rear wheel

[Ash]

Generally I have no problems with v-brakes.  I like them.  When I used them 
on my last 2 Riv builds, I felt like they can a bit too abrupt for front 
wheels at times.  A modulator solved that problem.  Since I do not go on 
mountain biking or on technical trails, a little mushiness the modulator 
introduces is not an issue.

However, I like experimenting.  Will at Riv had once mentioned in passing 
that Canti for front ant v for back would be ideal.  That idea stuck with 
me.  My new Susie is going to be built that way.  Ideally I would like the 
brake levers on left and right to have the same feel.  Is there a v-brake 
lever that has a similarly shaped canti counterpart?  Or are there levers 
that support both modes? 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Albatross Bars

[Ash]

Hey Christian,  

I have a spare one.  Located in Sunnyvale.  Please PM me if you need pics.

Ash


On Friday, 31 July 2020 at 17:16:35 UTC-7 christian poppell wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> The Albatross bars are out of stock at Rivendell. I was hoping to use them 
> on a HHH build. Is there anyone in the San Francisco Bay Area with some up 
> for grabs? I prefer the aluminum but am open to the steel version as well. 
> I have some h'bars for trade, Nitto B115, Nitto promenade (the U shaped 
> one), and some Nitto Randoneeur bars. 
>
> Thanks!
> Christian
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Wanted: Mirrycle Incredibell Bar End Bell

[Ash]

Hi Reginald,

I think I have one of these.  Please PM me.  Will send you pictures.

On Wednesday, 29 July 2020 at 13:30:34 UTC-7 R. Alexis wrote:

> Looking for a Mirrycle Incredibell Bar End Bell to replace an older bar 
> end bill with a striker. If you have one you want to sell or know of a shop 
> that has one let me know. 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
>
> https://www.bikeworldiowa.com/product/mirrycle-incredibell-bar-end-bell-188543-1.htm
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[RBW] WTT: (Bay Area) Susie Longbolts medium frame set for small Susie Longbolts

[Ash]

Received my new orange color Susie frame.  Still waiting for the wheel set. 
 

To get a feel for the fit I attached wheels from my hybrid, saddle, 
crankset and various stem/handlebar combos.  It became clear that the 
medium frame is slightly larger than ideal for me.

If you are in Bay Area (or within driving distance) and have a small Susie 
frame set you would like to trade, please PM me.  Either color is fine.


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[RBW] Re: RBW Business Model

[Ash]

😂🤣😂

Indeed!

I'm about to build a new Susie W Longbolts -  4th bike in as many years (to 
be fair, I have none now).  When budget discussions come up I make it a 
point to remind missus that these bike projects cost 1/10th or 1/20th of 
 the midlife crisis boat and sports car projects I was thinking about. 
 Besides, I don't need to take out a loan for a bike project :) and every 
test ride I go for, it is that many calories burned.  It is all upside!

PS: it is a formidable Saluki there!

On Tuesday, 21 July 2020 at 10:38:11 UTC-7 mhec...@gmail.com wrote:

> There is a major flaw in the RBW Business Model.  They forgot to include 
> planned obselence.  Really, how can you expect to grow a business when your 
> products not only don't wear out they don't even loose their sex appeal? 
>  Certainly Trek didn't make that mistake and see how they have grown since 
> 1983 when I bought a 620.
>
> Take my Saluki for example.  Serial # SA 00011.  I am more in love with it 
> today than when I first got it.  Why would I want to buy a new bike? 
>  Bicycle Quarterly comes in and I look at the reviews of all the hot new 
> bikes and quickly realize I wouldn't trade em straight up for my Saluki.
>
> OK, it now has a lot of touch up paint and I would probably get it powder 
> coated if I could get my hands on some original decals, but the ride is 
> just as joyful, no even better than new, and she still looks pretty good to 
> me.  Instead of buying a new bike I can spend my money on fancy brakes, 
> levers, tires from Compass, and TA Rings ("Well honey the rings were worn 
> out and that's just what new rings cost.")
>
> So Rivendell, instead of pushing a needed replacement or a new improved 
> model, is stuck with the job of convincing people that they need more 
> bikes. Then you have to listen to your spouse - how you gonna pay for it, 
> where you gonna store it, how many bikes can you ride?  It never ends.
>
> Unfortunately for Rivendell, my wife is still in love with her Betty Foy, 
> so no bike sale this year.
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cantilever brake recommendations

[Ash]

When I built my Appaloosa I went through a few cantis over 12-14 months 
before setting with v-brakes.  I have not tried CX 50/70, but VO Gran Cru 
and Avid Shorty Ultimate were very good.  I do remember that with Grand Cru 
I was able to remove front wheel without deflating (2" tires)

Of late I've been experimenting with using a modulator for the front 
v-brake. I'm liking what it does.  Will@Riv had suggested a good combo 
would be canti for the front and v-brake for the rear.  I might build the 
Susie that way.

On Thursday, 16 July 2020 at 07:57:01 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

> I don’t think I need to go with V brakes (smack me if I am wrong), and I 
> an unwilling to buy Paul’s due to price.  I got a recommendation on Velo 
> orange grand cru at $145 a set.  
>
> Ant thoughts on what to use on an Appaloosa  or Atlantis? 
>
> If I use cantis I have a nice NOS set of Suntour levers, with V’s I start 
> from scratch.
>
> Thanks 
>

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Re: [RBW] Want a San Marcos!

[Ash]

Joel,  During the few months I owned the Atlantis I had done many around 
the town rides and a few half-day trips (30-40 miles).  It was very 
comfortable thanks to the upright friendly design plus the longer 
wheelbase.   It was a bit more noble compared to 51 Appa.  Likely because 
of 26" wheels.  


On Saturday, 4 July 2020 at 09:42:04 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

> Ash, great info.  I never have a load so that would not be an issue.  
> Smooth roads, hills at times, like everyone, some rides more than others.  
> My only issue with the Appaloosa is the standover which may not be an 
> issue.  I have found a forum member who lives a bit less than 2.5 miles 
> with a build in Appaloosa, his wife’s, and invited me to try it.  I am 
> using on the Bleriot BSP 42mm cushy tires.  It sounds like the Atlantis may 
> have a bit stiffer tubing but, and correct me if I am wrong, a close ride 
> on comfort (plush) ride.  You said loaded the Atlantis handled better, how 
> about without a load? Do you feel it is the somewhat longer wheel base that 
> adds to all these bikes are!
>
> Ash, thanks so much, hard to decide when you cannot ride.  Like you I have 
> owned many bikes, 8 Rivs and counting.  
>
> Joel
>
> On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:09 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> Hi Joel,
>>
>> I have owned 3 Rivendells between 2016 and 2019.  51cm Appaloosa, 50cm 
>> MIT Atlantis and 46cm (in that order, in succession).  Sold each of them to 
>> list members after riding for a few months.  I had no legit reason to 
>> change bikes so fast other than curiosity (and spare time at hand).  I like 
>> fiddling with bike as much as riding them.  I have tried a dozen or so 
>> kinds of handlebars/stems/saddles on these bikes to figure out ergonomics.  
>> I have also tried a few kinds of brakes just to understand how different 
>> they are.  Same goes with shifters, cranksets and cassettes.  
>>
>> Now I'm waiting for my Longbolts frame.   Out of those 3 Rivs, I rode 51 
>> Appaloosa the most.  I do not remember stand over clearance being an issue 
>> (thanks to the sloping TT).  It had the supplest ride of all.  Some of 
>> the rides I did with 51 Appaloosa when it was built minimally (without 
>> fenders/racks) were the most enjoyable ever.  I did a few lightly loaded 
>> (about 20 pounds weight, often in the front) long rides (50ish miles).  I 
>> have done several grocery runs, often cargo both in the front and back. 
>>  50cm Atlantis was better suited for such use.  To me 51 Appa became 
>> slightly unwieldy at times with load.  With load, Atlantis was more 
>> enjoyable to ride. 46 Appaloosa felt quite similar to 50 Atlantis, 
>> with a bit less stack (hence I could never get the handlebars high enough - 
>> I like to ride upright).   
>>
>> The Atlantis came close to 51 Appa's cushiness when I experimented for 
>> some time with 2" compass RTP tubeless (Appa had 2" Schwalbe Allmotion 
>> sometimes and  47mm WTB Horizons on other occasions, with inner tube).
>>
>> Enjoy the bike hunt!
>>
>> hth,
>> Ash
>>
>> PS: can't wait to build the Susie.  I'm in Rich's wheel set queue.
>>
>> On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 15:21:12 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ash, actually I like the Appaloosa a lot but the sizing may be a 
>>> tad off from what Riv told me although a member on this forum has said the 
>>> standover was 30 5/8 which could work for me. What size did you get and how 
>>> do you find the standover? I am on a Bleriot at the moment, had sold a load 
>>> of Rivs due to a car accident 10 years ago, sold 6 about 5 or 6 years ago, 
>>> a custom, an AR and another Bleriot I was going to bring to Brasil. I am 
>>> back on the bike now after 10 years that the Bleriot is good but a tad high 
>>> TT for me although Grant would think it is fine. I don't like feeling to TT 
>>> as much as I do when I stand over the bike but I can live with it. I like 
>>> the longer chainstay idea of your bike,  hope you love it.  From what I 
>>> have learned the new Atlantis may be a good fit for me but I just don't 
>>> bond with the color when I look at the pictures. Are you happy with the MIT 
>>> bike? My Bleriot has some issues, not really issues but some of the braze 
>>> ons are not in exactly the right place, my rear rack had to come off as it 
>>> was pushing on the rear brake, really not a big deal as I don't really 
>>> carry anything. 
>>>
>>> Thanks much
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 2

Re: [RBW] Want a San Marcos!

[Ash]

Hi Joel,

I have owned 3 Rivendells between 2016 and 2019.  51cm Appaloosa, 50cm MIT 
Atlantis and 46cm (in that order, in succession).  Sold each of them to 
list members after riding for a few months.  I had no legit reason to 
change bikes so fast other than curiosity (and spare time at hand).  I like 
fiddling with bike as much as riding them.  I have tried a dozen or so 
kinds of handlebars/stems/saddles on these bikes to figure out ergonomics. 
 I have also tried a few kinds of brakes just to understand how different 
they are.  Same goes with shifters, cranksets and cassettes.  

Now I'm waiting for my Longbolts frame.   Out of those 3 Rivs, I rode 51 
Appaloosa the most.  I do not remember stand over clearance being an issue 
(thanks to the sloping TT).  It had the supplest ride of all.  Some of the 
rides I did with 51 Appaloosa when it was built minimally (without 
fenders/racks) were the most enjoyable ever.  I did a few lightly loaded 
(about 20 pounds weight, often in the front) long rides (50ish miles).  I 
have done several grocery runs, often cargo both in the front and back. 
 50cm Atlantis was better suited for such use.  To me 51 Appa became 
slightly unwieldy at times with load.  With load, Atlantis was more 
enjoyable to ride. 46 Appaloosa felt quite similar to 50 Atlantis, with 
a bit less stack (hence I could never get the handlebars high enough - I 
like to ride upright).   

The Atlantis came close to 51 Appa's cushiness when I experimented for some 
time with 2" compass RTP tubeless (Appa had 2" Schwalbe Allmotion sometimes 
and  47mm WTB Horizons on other occasions, with inner tube).

Enjoy the bike hunt!

hth,
Ash

PS: can't wait to build the Susie.  I'm in Rich's wheel set queue.

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 15:21:12 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

> Thanks Ash, actually I like the Appaloosa a lot but the sizing may be a 
> tad off from what Riv told me although a member on this forum has said the 
> standover was 30 5/8 which could work for me. What size did you get and how 
> do you find the standover? I am on a Bleriot at the moment, had sold a load 
> of Rivs due to a car accident 10 years ago, sold 6 about 5 or 6 years ago, 
> a custom, an AR and another Bleriot I was going to bring to Brasil. I am 
> back on the bike now after 10 years that the Bleriot is good but a tad high 
> TT for me although Grant would think it is fine. I don't like feeling to TT 
> as much as I do when I stand over the bike but I can live with it. I like 
> the longer chainstay idea of your bike,  hope you love it.  From what I 
> have learned the new Atlantis may be a good fit for me but I just don't 
> bond with the color when I look at the pictures. Are you happy with the MIT 
> bike? My Bleriot has some issues, not really issues but some of the braze 
> ons are not in exactly the right place, my rear rack had to come off as it 
> was pushing on the rear brake, really not a big deal as I don't really 
> carry anything. 
>
> Thanks much
>
> Joel
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 6:13 PM Ash  wrote:
>
>> Hey Joel,
>>
>> I sold mine to a local buyer in 2016 before building my 51cm green 
>> Appaloosa.  
>>
>> I remember that order through Bicycle Classics is a slow process.  You 
>> need to email them indicating what item you need.  Sooner or later (likely 
>> later) you will get a response.  Then you PayPal them the money.  I think 
>> his name is Greg.  Speaking from my experience, they are reliable.  For the 
>> Sam Marcos frame I made double payment (some goof up happened with the 
>> mobile app session).  He promptly refunded it next day. I also remember 
>> that once I sent them the payment, they shipped the frame pretty quickly. 
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ash
>>
>> PS: I have read your frame discussions on and off in other threads.  I'm 
>> guessing you are wishing Roadini 50/54cm sizes were 650b.  I certainly do.  
>> San Marcos is as close to Roadini as it gets if you want 650b.  Confession, 
>> if the frame I got was the newer version of San Marcos (slightly darker 
>> blue), I would not have sold it.  
>>
>> On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 09:25:42 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Ash, did you sell your 51cm San Marcos frame?  Also, how in the world 
>>> did you place an order with bicycle classics, I cannot figure out how this 
>>> guy does business.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 10:40:52 AM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Mine was shipped from Laporte, CO.
>>>>
>>>> Does not seem like the guy checks his email that frequently.  Once I 
>>&

Re: [RBW] Want a San Marcos!

[Ash]

Hey Joel,

I sold mine to a local buyer in 2016 before building my 51cm green 
Appaloosa.  

I remember that order through Bicycle Classics is a slow process.  You need 
to email them indicating what item you need.  Sooner or later (likely 
later) you will get a response.  Then you PayPal them the money.  I think 
his name is Greg.  Speaking from my experience, they are reliable.  For the 
Sam Marcos frame I made double payment (some goof up happened with the 
mobile app session).  He promptly refunded it next day. I also remember 
that once I sent them the payment, they shipped the frame pretty quickly. 

Good luck!

Ash

PS: I have read your frame discussions on and off in other threads.  I'm 
guessing you are wishing Roadini 50/54cm sizes were 650b.  I certainly do. 
 San Marcos is as close to Roadini as it gets if you want 650b. 
 Confession, if the frame I got was the newer version of San Marcos 
(slightly darker blue), I would not have sold it.  

On Thursday, 2 July 2020 at 09:25:42 UTC-7 Joel Stern wrote:

>
> Ash, did you sell your 51cm San Marcos frame?  Also, how in the world did 
> you place an order with bicycle classics, I cannot figure out how this guy 
> does business.
>
> Thanks
>
> Joel
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 10:40:52 AM UTC-5, Ash wrote:
>>
>> Mine was shipped from Laporte, CO.
>>
>> Does not seem like the guy checks his email that frequently.  Once I 
>> placed the order he shipped the item very next day though.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 21 November 2016 16:51:47 UTC-8, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe I was mistaken, I thought I had seen multiple posts by you, oh 
>>> well..
>>>
>>> Where is Bicycle Classics shipping from? I see two addresses for them - 
>>> one in Michigan the other in Colorado - I actually had emailed them/him but 
>>> have not heard back in a week+
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cheap fenders killed my bike.

[Ash]

Hey Brendon,

I'm so glad you are ok.  Really sorry to hear about the bike damage. 

Thanks for sharing the story.  The fact that you were riding a high quality 
bike and it also happens to be LWB might have played in your favor.

I have those safety clips on front mudguards.  After reading this story and 
Bill's comments on this thread, I want to see if something similar possible 
for the rear one.

Last year there were two serious bike crashes in my circles.  A cousin, who 
shattered both wrists going over the handlebar.  A coworker who shattered 
on wrist, also going over the handlebar.  (they also had face injuries)

Ever since I've been thinking long wheel base and upright riding positions 
increase safety in such accidents.   Today I sketched a diagram to capture 
my gut feeling.  The triangle on the left can be flipped over with 
relatively less force.   (The diagram might look dramatized, not-to-scale, 
not geometrically accurate, the center of gravity might not comply with 
physics equations etc 🙂.  It is just my gut feeling.  My riding experience 
with various bikes tell me that there might be some truth to it!)


[image: bike-sketch.jpg]





On Tuesday, 30 June 2020 02:23:00 UTC-7, brendonoid wrote:
>
> Hey guys, I just wanted to let everyone know the obviously stupid thing 
> that I did even though I knew it was stupid has ruined my bike. Maybe this 
> will help others as a warning or something... ?
> I've been running some cheap plastic fenders SOMA somethingorothers that 
> did not have those plastic easy break stay connecters that most common 
> sense fenders have. I knew this was a hazard but had ridden many 1000s of 
> kilometres on them and had just sort of forgotten about it. 
> It gets worse; I attached my Nitto Big Front rack (34f)? to do an 
> overnighter on a nice trail while i was on holiday squeezing the adventure 
> inbetween some bad weather and storms. On the second day, 80kms from the 
> next town as I crested the hill...through a lot of debris and broken 
> branches... doing ~15kmh (not exceeding 20kmh) my bike suddenly came to a 
> stop. Just a firm enough stop to lift the back end up a little bit and make 
> me have to put my feet down suddenly.
> The fender stays had lodged themselves into the fork along with the thick 
> piece of bark that had caused the accident.
> "No worries! these cheap fenders finally failed!" I thought, "my stupid 
> fault. Oh well, lucky I was going slow!' 
> As I disentangled the mess, removing the front wheel, "Oh no, the fork is 
> bent" I realised. "It's okay, the wheel isn't hitting the downtube I can 
> still ride out of here... why has the head badged popped out funny though?"
> Oh, the headtube is shaped like a banana...
> Welp.
> I could have been doing 40km/h down hill and i could have died as well as 
> killing my bike. This is what I am trying to commisserate myself with. It 
> barely helps.
> I live in Western Australia. There are no local frame builders I know of 
> or would trust to try and repair this frame. Shipping the bike back to 
> Rivendell is going to be an expensive excercise and in these COVID times 
> I'm not sure they can do anything anyway. I really just don't know what I 
> am going to do.
> The accident was so minor and I have bent forks before. The problem here 
> and the reason it has been so catastrophic is because the Big Strong Nitto 
> rack reinforced the fork removing tis failure mode of being able to bend, 
> that force was translated into the headtube as the fork actually bent where 
> the steerer is welded into the crown lug translating that force into the 
> headtube.
>
> I can post pictures if anyone is interested. The frame is weirdly straight 
> and I cannot find any distortion in the maintubes despite the obvious bend 
> in the head tube. The headset cups are only out of alignment to the point 
> that a sealed bearing headset can absorb the variance and seemingly work 
> ok. 
> The bend has to have gone somewhere though and I'm not sure that if I got 
> a new fork that I could feel safe riding the frame as is...
> I really just needed to vent,
> Thanks for listening, (reading I guess)
> Brendon M.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 650b new Rivendell models (to me)

[Ash]

This is one of the coolest bikes in existence!   I'm rooting for this exact 
geometry to become a production model.


On Sunday, 28 June 2020 11:49:34 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> You mean this one?? Definitely long chainstays which was Grant's choice, 
> and I picked the drop-toptube because I like the clearance and the look. 
> The look gave me the heart seatlug and RBW decal up there in the air above 
> the toptube where everyone can see it..swanky! For reference I'm about 
> Joel's height and the measurements are (approximately) 54cm seattube and 
> 63cm effective toptube. On paper the front sounds crazy long for my height, 
> but in practice with the high-and-reaching-back bars I use it's perfect. 
> Incredibly stable frame which still turns nicely, it's a great bike. 
>
> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 11:12:11 AM UTC-7 Doug Hansford wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>> Tap that 401k!! Have you seen Joe B.'s custom? It has a nice sloping top 
>> tube and I think maybe 650b? You SHOULD treat yourself to a retirement 
>> gift. All those years of saving in your retirement accounts was good 
>> discipline and now you should not feel guilty for investing in a nice bike. 
>> Riding has so many benefits both mental and physical that I think it would 
>> be money well spent. If Joe sees this maybe he can tell you about is custom 
>> and the process he went through the come up with the design.
>> Doug Hansford
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 1:53:23 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>>> Ted, I have had 8 Rivendells before my accident 10 years ago, 4 were 
>>> still with me.  Sold 3 of my last 4 as I thought I would not ride again but 
>>> kept the Bleriot in the hope that I would as I bonded with the 650b.  Now 
>>> retired and riding again and I have not touched my 401 money.  Maybe I 
>>> deserve a treat.  
>>>
>> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 1:24 PM ted  wrote:
>>>
>> Hey Joel,

 Prices have certainly gone up since the Bleriot days, I think a lot of 
 that is just years of inflation but still ...

 I encourage you to give the fine folks at RBW WH a call to discuss ride 
 and handling of current models wrt your Bleriot. 
 That said I would expect the AHH to be closer to your Bleriot but 
 perhaps a bit more stable, and the Joe A and Atlantis to be more stable. 

 regards
 ted

 On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> Ted, thanks.  I am beginning to understand the slopping TT and what 
> that means. From what I am reading I would be a 51 on the Homer and 
> Appaloosa and a 50 on the Atlantis.  My Bleriot was a bargain as these 
> new 
> MIT models are snout what I paid for my first Road, and my next custom 
> was 
> just a tad more.  The Longer chain stays would be welcome if the increase 
> comfort, my back would appreciate that.  I am also curious about he 
> stability of the front end, the Bleriot is good but just today I noticed 
> a 
> bit of a twitchy feel which could have been me.  I have new 42mm tires on 
> but I don’t think that would have caused it.  
>
> Thanks, Joel
>
> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 12:46 PM ted  wrote:
>
>> Joel,
>>
>> The top tubes of most MIT Rivs (including the MIT AHH and Atlantis) 
>> have significantly more slope than the older models like your Bleriot.
>> Therefore the size for a given bar height with respect to seat height 
>> is smaller, and ones proper size based on pbh is smaller.
>> Stand over is increased by about half the difference in size (with 
>> respect to a more horizontal tt model).
>> Just changing the top tube slope should not cause perceptible 
>> differences in the ride qualities of an otherwise identical design.
>> The new MIT Atlantis and AHH also have longer chain stays (and I 
>> presume wheelbases) than the earlier Toyo and Waterford versions. I 
>> think 
>> there are other threads that speak to how these versions ride and 
>> handling 
>> compare, but a short answer would be longer wb and sitting further from 
>> the 
>> rear axle should give a smoother ride over bumps.
>>
>> On Sunday, June 28, 2020 at 7:10:42 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was really confused at first at the A Homer Hilson, Appaloosa and 
>>> the new Atlantis. The sizing is very different than of old, like for my 
>>> Bleriot where I ride a 55cm bike, looks like on the Hilson and 
>>> Appaloosa I 
>>> would take a 51cm and on the new Atlantis a 50. So my question for 
>>> those 
>>> that follow this do any of these have a more relaxed geometry or a more 
>>> comfortable ride than my Bleriot which is already comfortable? What can 
>>> anyone tell me about the sizing changes? When Grant measured me years 
>>> ago I 
>>> believe he had my PBH to 83 or a bit more, while when I had help from 
>>> my 
>>> wife to

[RBW] PSA: cliffhanger 650b might be short on supply

[Ash]

If you have been waiting (like me) for Boots/Longbolts frames to arrive 
before ordering the Cliffhanges, you may want to order your wheels soon.  
 I placed my order with Rich couple of days ago.  Later learned that 
Velocity was out of 650b Cliffhangers (both black and silver).  They are 
not expecting availability for another month. Rich was very helpful and 
pointed me to alternate sources for the rims.  I acted quickly and shipped 
them to him.  

Resellers may have plenty of stock.  You never know.   

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Ash]

My favorite picture: https://i.snap.as/xEgShbB.jpeg

Cigne stem probably won't be an option for my Susie, but I'm planning to go 
high one way or another!

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 19:32:44 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
> (1) 28 oz. in these two posts.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
> and
> https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>>
>> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>>
>> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>>
>> Thanks for posting. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus is a sit-up guy and his neck flows like a swan now

[Ash]

My favorite picture: https://i.snap.as/xEgShbB.jpeg

Cigne stem probably won't be an option for my Susie, but I'm planning to go 
high one way or the other!


On Sunday, 14 June 2020 19:32:44 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Thanks, Aaron. You can see the cages with the big water bottles (3) 64oz, 
> (1) 28 oz. in these two posts.
>
>
> https://deaconpatrick.org/three-days-three-states-three-countries-by-beorn-the-bikepacking-wonder
> and
> https://deaconpatrick.org/two-midsummer-nights-dream-bikepacking-pikes-peak
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Sunday, June 14, 2020 at 8:16:33 PM UTC-6, A. Douglas M. wrote:
>>
>> I love it, Deacon. Looks very comfortable. 
>>
>> Also love 4 bottle cages! 
>>
>> Thanks for posting. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Why I went Tubeless

[Ash]

I ran Babyshoe Pass tires on Pacenti Brevet wheels for couple of months - 
on my road bike that has Reynolds 631 tubing.  The ride was dreamy. I kept 
thinking there is no going back to inner tubes.  Then one day the rear tire 
suddently deflated 100% in a second while I was riding on a city street.  I 
nearly crashed.  Thankfully I was going under 15mph.  The very thought of 
this type of incident occurring while riding downhill or down a ramp at 
30mph scared me.  The sidewall had a cut.  I removed tire, wiped wheels and 
tires off the orange goo, put a piece of gorilla tape from inside at the 
spot of the cut and went back to inner tubes.  I miss that awesome cushy 
ride, but the classic setup just makes me feel safer.

As for the seating the tires, I could get Babyshoe Passes to pop with an 
old cheap walmart pump I have, as the air volume needed is not much.   When 
I (for a brief period) converted my MIT Atlantis setup to tubeless (2.3″ 
Rat Trap Pass tires/Cliffhangers), I went for one of these 
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01BJ4MXQY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Ash]

+1 for Cliffhangers.   I'm going with those for the Susie I'm waiting on.

I have had both Atlas and Cliffhangers on my previous Rivs.  Atlas is super 
solid as well. I had 2.0" tires on them.  Never had any problem even with 
some loaded rides.  If I already had a pair of Atlas I'd use them.  Since 
I'm ordering a new set, I'm going with Cliffhangers.. because why not!  The 
weight difference is hardly noticeable.  Cliffhangers work great for 
tubeless too. 


On Saturday, 2 May 2020 17:39:39 UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'd recommend Cliffhangers for the extra width, but yes, absolutely, Atlas 
> are stout enough. 2.8" is a lot of tire. I'm not sure I'd want to go 
> narrower than the Cliffhangers, but they may well ride just fine. I know 
> the modern stated limits can be pushed without compromizing safety (Jan at 
> Rene Herse wrote about this somewhat recently), but I'm not sure what the 
> real limits are. I feel solid and confident on my Cliffhangers with 
> Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.8" on 27.5 wheels.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:06:59 PM UTC-6, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
>> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: First(ish) impressions of Sam Hillborne

[Ash]

John, congratulations!   Sam is indeed a great bike.  Your bike looks quite 
handsome.   Lovely color them there!  Wish you thousands of miles of happy 
riding.  

On Wednesday, 15 April 2020 07:16:39 UTC-7, John H. wrote:
>
> Following along on the Roadini thread...
>
> I just finished building up my Sam H. and could not be happier. I knew I 
> wanted a Rivendell, but I churned internally for years about which model 
> was going to the 'right' model for me. I was looking for something to ride 
> 70/30 road/trail, mostly unloaded and with big clearances. I had zero'd in 
> on a Sam early on but I couldn't stop thinking that it would be too 'stiff 
> and heavy' for its intended usage. My fears were completely unfounded and 
> -- to me at least -- the Sam feels just as "fast" as the Columbus SL tube'd 
> Basso frame it replaced. The only major departure (as far as ride quality 
> is concerned) is that the Sam is several orders of magnitude more 
> comfortable. 
>
> A *huge* (and long overdue) "thank you" goes out to Jason, Mike and co. at 
> Maine 
> Bike Works  for sourcing the frame and 
> working with my now wife to surprise me with it a few seasons ago. I can't 
> speak more highly of the work they do and urge anyone in the area to check 
> them out.
>
> Here's the high level build specs:
> 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne
> Campagnolo Veloce 10 Speed Ergos
> Crust Towel Rack bars
> Paul Neo Retro / Touring Canti
> 9 speed Shimano XT Shadow mech
> CX-50 front der.
> TA Zephyr crank (46/34)
> Velocity Quill rims / Generic Velocity Hubs
> Compass Snoqualmie Pass tires
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[RBW] Re: My Clem Smith JR. Build revealed!

[Ash]

Congrats!

This is the most impressive build I've seen in a while.  Thanks for sharing 
the pictures.  

My MIT Atlantis had all-black components, but the whole package was not 
nearly as cool as what you have put together!   

I even changed the headset to a black one.   That OCD move cost me couple 
of weeks as the headset my LBS ordered wasn't compatible with Riv frames.

Enjoy! 



On Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:25:19 UTC-7, Tim Bantham wrote:
>
> Hey Bunch, I am excited to share my Clem Smith build with you all. This is 
> my third Rivendell which will complement my Sam Hillborne and a Joe 
> Appaloosa. My Sam is my go-to for all kinds of riding where my Appaloosa 
> serves as my traditional touring bike with racks and fenders.  The vision 
> for the Clem was to have it serve as an analog mountain bike as well as a 
> capable dirt tourer. 
>
>
> The build is modern and non-traditional in the Riv sense. This was not my 
> original plan but it sort of morphed into that. My first purchase for the 
> bike after the frame was a Son Widebody dynohub that I purchased here from 
> a fellow list member. The hub was black so I decided that I would make all 
> of the components black with a touch of gold. I had the Nitto R10 ceramic 
> coded in matte black along with the King cages, seatpost and lamp holder. 
> My good friends Candice and James at Analog cycles helped me with the 
> parts. As a result, a touch of Analog’s style and influence is evident in 
> the build. I also built the wheels myself. This was my first time building 
> wheels from start to finish. I want to thank Bryan from Utility Bicycles in 
> Kingston, NY for coaching me through that. I am super happy with how the 
> bike came out and especially proud because I did all of the work myself. 
> Not bad for a careerist with a desk job! 
>
>
> Link to a shared photo album below. For the true bike nerds among us I am 
> including the build details as well. 
>
> ·  
>
>  
>
> Clem Build Photos 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  ·   59 Clem H Frameset
>
> ·   Velocity Cliffhangers
>
> ·   White Industries MI5 Rear Hub
>
> ·   Son Widebody Dynohub
>
> ·   White Industries ENO crankset
>
> ·   White Industries 32 Tooth Single Ring
>
> ·   Connex 11 speed chain
>
> ·   Spank Pedals
>
> ·   Sunrace 11x50 rear cassette
>
> ·   SRAM Rival 1X rear derailleur
>
> ·   Paul Motolite brakes
>
> ·   Paul Love Levers
>
> ·   Paul Thumbies with Shimano DA shifter (friction)
>
> ·   Schmidt Edulux II headlight
>
> ·   Nitto R-10 Rear Rack
>
> ·   Brooks B17 Saddle
>
> ·   Nitto R83 seatpost
>
> ·   Nitto/Crust 31.8 stem
>
> ·   Jones H Bar
>
> ·   Oury Grips
>
> ·   Tanglefoot Peruvian Tape
>
> ·   Schwalbe Rocket Rons 2.25 
>
> ·   Swift Zeitgeist saddle bag
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>

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[RBW] 51cm Orange Sam on Bay Area Craigslist

[Ash]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/bik/d/san-jose-sam-hillborne-51cm/7073497327.html

The owner is an acquaintance of mine.  


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[RBW] Re: Frame for sale

[Ash]

There's good chance that the proceedings will get used up at rivbike.com 
too :)


On Thursday, 12 December 2019 18:52:55 UTC-8, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> +1 on it being appropriate for this group. Steel frame with braze-on 
> eyelets aplenty, takes fenders, has clearance for 700x38c tires without 
> 'em, and has an aftermarket low trail fork. It might could even be 
> converted to a 650b so's you can run some chubber rubber to get sendy with 
> your friendy. Any way you slice it, this bike could be a super fun project 
> that's a little easier on the pocketbook than a Roadini or whatever.
>
> Salsa has since gone in another direction, but I, for one, have a lot of 
> love for the production brands who do interesting things with steel frames 
> in almost every production cycle.
>

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[RBW] Re: Law professor, Riv Rider

[Ash]

Over the weekend I ordered a Susie in orange.  Looking at this picture I 
hope that it is going to be the same shade of orange!

PS: This has been a good thread, IMO.  During the rides or when I hangout 
with bicycle people, we talk other things beside bikes.  To me it is better 
that way.  We have folks disagree big time not just on the political front 
but also on types of bikes, dietary preferences, rice vs wheat, Mac vs 
Windows, iPhone vs Android, Pit bulls are good dogs/bad dogs, some love 
NFL, some want it banned.. 

Mostly we annoy each other.  We also occasionally learn new things from 
such chats and broaden our perspectives I feel.  Without more discussions 
and debates among common people I do not see how this deep polarization and 
escalating mutual hatred can end.



On Sunday, 8 December 2019 17:56:55 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Rad bike, rad color. I'm too old to say rad. RAD! 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report: Latvia, Estonia, Finland

[Ash]

Hey Michael, very nice ride report.  Thanks for sharing!

Pleased to know you didn't have much trouble finding vegetarian grub around 
that part of the world.  

Those pictures you posted are not visible.  Perhaps permission issues..



On Tuesday, 3 December 2019 11:53:54 UTC-8, Michael Morrissey wrote:
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> Here are a few pictures! - M
>
>
>
> On Sunday, November 24, 2019 at 11:07:17 PM UTC-5, Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>> Hi Riv-listers,
>>
>> This summer I took the best bicycle ride I have ever been on in my life. 
>> In the last few years, I’ve made an effort to go on better vacations. Two 
>> summers ago I bought a BMW GS and rode from NYC to Yellowstone and back. 
>> The BMW GS has the best reputation as a travel bike, so I wanted to try 
>> one. It was great, but I decided I wanted to do things a little differently 
>> on the next trip. Instead of an expensive dream bike with all the farkles, 
>> I decided to just get a whatever bike. One of my best friends moved to 
>> Finland, and has invited me there for years, so I finally took him up on 
>> it. He told me I should do a longer trip and check out some of the 
>> neighboring countries, so I decided to fly into Riga, Latvia and travel to 
>> Helsinki. The second I booked the trip, I started thinking “hmmm… this 
>> should be a bike trip.” I thought about bringing my Rivendell, but I didn’t 
>> want to risk having it stolen. It’s only 200 or so miles from Riga to 
>> Helsinki, so I figured I could do it on any old bike. I emailed a bunch of 
>> shops in Riga and one responded. I told them I wanted to buy a bike for 100 
>> to 400 euros, and they said sure no problem, they’d hook me up for 100 
>> euros with one of their old rental fleet. 
>>
>> I packed my bags. I brought 2 ortlieb bags, my favorite hoodie, a Brooks 
>> Cambium saddle, Adidas sneakers, 1 pair of shorts, 1 pair of pants, my Giro 
>> helmet, and my camera. Here’s what I didn’t bring: a sleeping bag, a tent, 
>> bicycle-specific clothing, any food, a water bottle, tools, a camp stove. I 
>> wanted to travel as light as possible and maybe even blend in.
>>
>> I got to Riga and was so excited that I could barely sleep. Also my 
>> airbnb wasn’t really someone’s home, it was more of a college dorm. College 
>> kids were in it, coming home at all hours. I went to the bicycle shop as 
>> soon as I could. I paid 100 euros and bought the bike!
>>
>> They sold me an older Gazelle bicycle. It wasn’t a Rivendell - it was 
>> aluminum - but it would do! It had Shimano Alivio components, 700x35 or 38 
>> tires, V brakes, no fenders. It rode just fine. It even had a back rack for 
>> my Ortlieb bags! I had them change the seat to my Brooks, added a 
>> Rivendell-spec safety triangle, and I took off. I rode all around Riga. I 
>> went to the Vespa shop, the art museum, up the Radisson building for the 
>> best view of the city. It was great. I spent another day there seeing 
>> everything. Then, I took off.
>>
>> I was so excited to ride on that first day that I woke up at 5 in the 
>> morning. When I travel, my official philosophy is 
>> “freestyling/freewheeling” which is a joke of mine - that I didn’t even 
>> decide on what to call the not-planning-ahead. It’s not all improvisation - 
>> I do browse the website Atlas Obscura. The streets seemed dead in the 
>> morning. Traffic was so much lighter than what I’m used to commuting to 
>> work in New York City. I went to the Bicycle Museum in Saulkrasti. It was 
>> my goal to get there before it closed for the day, but I crushed the riding 
>> and got there before it opened. You Rivendell fans would love it. It was 
>> just the garage in the backyard of someone’s house. They collected bicycles 
>> from Latvia only. They had all sorts of cool bicycles and interesting 
>> parts. There was a full-suspension wooden bike made by an engineer in the 
>> 1930s that looked like a 1990s mountain bike. It was great. Even their 
>> collection of head-badges was amazing. I looked at everything and left to 
>> keep riding. I ended up just riding and riding that day. My navigation was 
>> just hotels that I had started on Google Maps. I hadn’t realized camping is 
>> actually really popular there. I marked a campground called “Kemp

[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Ash]

After reading about the soaps in this thread, I ordered all kinds they 
have.. 2 each!  After receiving them it feels like I'm all stocked up for 
next couple of years.  Because they are HUGE!

On Saturday, 16 November 2019 19:41:47 UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> 3 tubes, 2 shifter cables and 2 Rivendell Flyer stickers. In my defense I 
> just bought a whole frame a month ago 😬

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[RBW] Re: It's getting to be that time of year again: Time to order stuff from Rivendell

[Ash]

In last years since I started 'Riv'ing, I think I have accumulated enough 
parts and accessories for biking plans I have for next 10 years  :)  

So today I ordered a few books, stickers and a few hundred dollars worth of 
gift card, which I will use toward a Susie or Boots (or maybe a Charlie)



On Thursday, 7 November 2019 10:30:46 UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This quote sums it up better than most:
>
> *"This is our specialty: Complicating life unnecessarily, going to a 
> Trouble Factor of 10 to achieve an Improvement Factor of 3."*
>
> That's from Grant's latest BLAGH, talking about the sweater that is super 
> expensive, super difficult, that they won't make any money on.  It's a 
> general fact about Rivendell.  They have ideals and they spend every penny 
> to realize their ideals, and they price things so that they barely make any 
> money at all.  Those who can afford the prices and appreciate the ideals 
> are thankful for Rivendell.  Those who appreciate the ideals and can't 
> afford the prices try to find all the products second-hand, and sometimes 
> lament that the products are too expensive new, and too rare second-hand.  
> Those who don't appreciate the ideals dislike Rivendell as overpriced, 
> overbuilt, opinionmakers and other rude things. 
>
> It's true that Rivendell has always done things the "right way" in their 
> minds which usually is the hard way even when they go smoothly.  The 
> projects they take on that don't go smoothly are excruciating.  They put 
> themselves frequently, annually in tight financial spots every winter.  
> It's easy to say "that's their fault", but it's similarly easy to say that 
> it's our fault.  We know this is the reality, so if we want them to stay in 
> business, then we can help them stay in business by buying the things they 
> have in stock over the winter.
>
> So, this is my reminder to us all.  Look around for things they have in 
> stock, especially the Garage Sale and Last Chance stuff.  If you need any 
> of those things, buy something.  For things you 'might need' someday, Try 
> to put 100 of them in your CART.  If they have only 1, you'll see it, and 
> maybe you should buy it before they run out.  If they have a TON of that 
> item, that's a ton of cash that they have locked on the shelf.  Buying some 
> of that will free up that cash for them.  
>
> Here's a few things that got my attention:
>
> There's a couple nice merino shirts in Garage Sale, that they still have 
> in Medium.  They are warm, not stinky and last forever if cared for 
> properly.  I might grab one of each
> I'm going to buy a wide-low Silver 173mm crankset.  It's heavier than a 
> Rene Herse crankset, and wider Q-Factor, but I'm certain it's just as 
> strong and will last as long, and is less than half the price.  
> I'm going to add a few bumper stickers, patches, a couple rolls of 
> Newbaums, and some Sheldons Nuts
>
> Things I won't be buying but there are a lot of:
>
> Tandem cranksets.  They have 25 of them in stock.  At $500 that's an 
> amazing deal on the nicest tandem crankset you can get for $500.  If you 
> are ever going to set up a tandem, maybe you can see buying one?  
>
> Saddlesack bags.  They have 18 of the Baggabond, 14 ClembaSacks and some 
> other things.  They are really good sacks.  I use a Shopsack Large as 
> weekend luggage all the time.  I use a mediums as race day tool kits, and 
> another medium for a helmet and shoes race day bag.  The things are bomb 
> proof.  Bag-matchers may be mad that they don't have 4 different models all 
> in your color all in stock right now.  Buy what they have, and be OK with a 
> little wabi-sabi.  
>
> There's lots of other stuff but I don't want to bore folks. 
>
> Happy shopping!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Thought this was funny

[Ash]

It was entertaining  😂 😂 😂

Thanks for sharing!



On Tuesday, 5 November 2019 09:19:22 UTC-8, masmojo wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/5EE8m8mmq1k
>
> There's an advertisement attached to it, but not annoyingly so.
>

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[RBW] Re: eClem again

[Ash]

This is such a practical build.  I've been starting at these pictures for 
last 10 mins.  It is so well configured.  Handlebar position/height, seat 
nose lift, drive train, fenders, pedals.. they all seem just perfect!   I 
feel that this one will stay in your stable way longer than past few bikes. 
Have fun!

On Friday, 25 October 2019 15:56:46 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Back by popular demand, it's the red Rivelo/RandiJoFab camera bag! Which 
> is actually orange but who's counting. Also a shiney new Nitto S83 for a 
> little more setback and that 2-bolt goodness, and a less shiney new 
> Pletscher kickstand..the new "touring" model from Riv with the adjustable 
> leg. And bread. 
>
> On Thursday, October 17, 2019 at 7:33:49 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > My first was my first e-build, a pretty clunky and terrible 
> throttle-only rear hub on a 45cm Clem H. Grant rode it! Then I put a 
> stupid-fast Bafang mid-drive on a 52cm L which was great on the monster 
> hill I lived in back then, but it was a little ridiculous. 
> > 
> > Now we have a 45 L frame I just grabbed from the web sale. Yes it looks 
> a bit gangly with all that post and stem showing, but I needed the 26-inch 
> wheels and I knew the size would work with the bolt-upright seating 
> position my arthritis requires now. 
> > 
> > The Copenhagen Wheel is late of the All Rounder I recently showed, that 
> lovely bicycle is getting a new non-electric mission now. 
> > 
> > Rich-built Deore/Atlas front wheel, mixed Schwalbe 1.75 tires. 
> > Origin8 shorty 145mm cranks, single 42t ring, Paul Chainkeeper. 
> > XT Shadow derailer, SRAM 11-32 (maybe it's 34) cassette, Connex chain. 
> > Shimano 9-speed shifter on Paul mount, left side where my not-so-bad 
> hand can push/pull it. 
> > Avid levers (thanks, Bill!). 
> > Nitto cromo upjutter stem, cromo Boscos shortened one inch, Jones H 
> Grips, German mirror.
> > Stock post, Brooks ti B17. 
> > Bombshell v-brakes. 
> > Deity pedals (thanks, Analog Cycles!)
> > 
> > I need to shorten the cables up, add a rack and Happisack, maybe some 
> wood fenders a listmember (WETH?) gave me years ago and take better pics. 
> Enjoy these now! 
> > 
> > Joe Bernard
> > Novato CA.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: eClem again

[Ash]

Indeed!  The red bag you had on in one of the pictures goes very well with 
the wheel color.

Red cables, pedals and grips are optional ;)

Clem is definitely the best candidate out there for electrification.  The 
most ergonomic, comfortable, durable and practical utility bike with some 
power assist.  The utility factor goes up 5x.

On Wednesday, 23 October 2019 10:30:49 UTC-7, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> With the wheel, I actually liked the look with the red bag you had 
> originally on it (and that is from someone with all black bags).  To me it 
> says "I'm accessorizing with red."
>
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 11:26:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Roberta! I appreciate this more than you know because I've been 
>> struggling with how the wheel looks. Not enough to remove it - I'm not 
>> crazy! (some would disagree) - but it's so RED. I'll work on seeing it with 
>> your eyes 🙂
>
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[RBW] PSA: Surly 8-pack recall

[Ash]

https://surlybikes.com/blog/important_safety_notice_surly_8_pack_and_24_pack_racks

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[RBW] [humor] idea for Joe's next e-bike conversion project

[Ash]

https://www.rushlane.com/farmer-modifies-cycle-to-electric-12325689.html/amp

- works with Boscos
- carries two people
- can't beat the price!



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[RBW] Re: Made me smile

[Ash]

I love this story!

Well done!!

It is a win-win-win-win..

On Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:30:56 UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> A local occasional rider who wants to ride more but is challenged with 
> some back pain and body geometry that won't fit most big brand off-the-rack 
> bikes, came to me for a recommendation. Clem L of course. Amirite? I 
> connected her with another fairly local Clem L owner and they had a good 
> conversation which reinforced in her mind that this bike from a brand she 
> had never heard of is right for her.  I checked stock on the RBW site and 
> saw low levels so today I messaged her to ask, "Have you called Rivendell 
> yet? If they sell out, it will be 2020 before more come in. They're a small 
> market seller." "Oh yes," she replied. "I talked to a very nice sales rep 
> and have it started. They're reserving a frame for me."  I asked which 
> "sales rep" she spent a lng time on the phone with. "He was very nice 
> and very understanding. His name is Grant." :)
> I told her she couldn't have gotten a better rep to help her, although I 
> bet Grant will say that the other folks there are mighty good too.  I also 
> told her about this list and that she'd meet some enthusiastic Clem L 
> owners among the many Rivendell riders.  I think "Bicycle Bell Ding Ding" 
> in particular will be a good contact for bike aesthetics and other shared 
> interests too. I'm looking forward to our first Riv Ride together :)
>
> Bruce
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[RBW] Re: 26" wheeled Rambouillet

[Ash]

Ram/26"?  Wild!!



On Monday, 26 August 2019 12:08:47 UTC-7, T.O.M. (The Other Manny) wrote:
>
> I have an 52 cm Ram, it has 26" wheels (as were the 50 cm IIRC),  
> originally had a 54 cm that had 700c wheels. Sold it;  was a bit too big 
> for me, wheel size was part of the stand-over/fit problem.
>
> On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:51:04 AM UTC-7, Sean Ryan wrote:
>>
>> I came across a craigslist listing for a 54cm Rambouillet built in 2004.  
>> The listing claims it has 26" wheels.  were 26" wheeled Rambouillets a 
>> thing?  would the rambouillet make a good go fast bike for long distance 
>> mixed surface road rides?
>>
>>
>> https://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/bik/d/boxford-rivendell-bike/6964580999.html
>>
>> Sean,
>> Massachusetts
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rearranging 8/9 Speed Cassette Cogs

[Ash]

Garth, I have wondered about this as well.  I never use two outer cogs. 
With the chainring combo I have, my chain line is always off.   When I'm 
using the large chainring, the chain is toward the left of the center and 
vice versa.  I can't go any smaller on the large chainring.  (Campy - 46t 
is smallest I could find).  If I could have 14t as my smallest cog, my 
chain line would be almost straight when I'm using either chainring.  

One day I did try what you are contemplating.  I put two smallest cogs all 
the way inside as spacers. Did couple of rides.  Then decided to revert it 
back pending more research about any potential safety issues.  

There's a very valid use case here!




On Thursday, 8 August 2019 02:28:24 UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>I'm venturing into cassettes and wondered if there were any 
> complications in rearranging a 9-speed Shimano 12-36t cassette by placing 
> the 12t cog in the innermost position and then only using the 14-36t cogs 
> for riding. Essential it's using the 12t cog (I'm assuming it has a 
> built-in spacer) as a spacer. Or for 8 speed spacing do the same with a 
> Sunrace 12-34 and make it a 14-34 with 7 usable cogs, placing the 12t 
> w/spacer at the inner position. I simply have no use for 11 or 12t cogs and 
> would rather use that space for cogs that I *do* ride. My rings are 
> 24/36/46 and I really do prefer riding in the largest ring most of all. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Is this Compass tire usable?

[Ash]

Mine are EL Compass Babyshoe Pass's.   I have ridden them only on well 
maintained neighborhood roads.  I have never seen anything like broken 
glasses on those.  There are no potholes either.

Following useful suggestions I received on this thread, I removed the 
tires, wiped them clean of the orange sealant and stuck a small piece of 
Gorilla tape in the damaged area from inside.  Mounted them with inner 
tubes.  Couple of hundred miles since then without any trouble. 

On Monday, 29 July 2019 14:49:44 UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Andreas and Ash: Curious: what RH models are you talking about, and what 
> were the riding conditions in which they got slashed or ripped?
>
> Andreas: were all of your RH tires extra light models? 
>
> Both: were you (plural) riding on surfaces that included sharp stones or 
> gravel?
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 11:29 PM Andreas  > wrote:
>
>> I have used the park tool patch on 7 compass/rh tires so far.
>> While it works, it also tells you something about the tires.
>>
>> Which reminds me, I have about 11 ripped unusable compass/rh tires in the 
>> shed - is there a reasonable way to recycle them?
>> This year I have moved on to different tires. There is a new endurance 
>> version of compass now that may last longer.
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 2, 2019 at 6:41:16 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>>
>>> Tire experts,
>>>
>>> I mounted Compass Babayshoe Pass (EL) tires tubeless couple of months 
>>> ago on my Rivfied road bike.  They were a joy to ride for sure.  Unlike 
>>> anything!!  
>>>
>>> Sadly, yesterday the rear tire deflated suddenly within a second while 
>>> riding in my neighborhood.  Probably would have crashed if not for the slow 
>>> speed.  The tire had a tear that was way beyond what the sealant could 
>>> handle.  Boy, were these tires an expensive experiment!
>>>
>>> I have attached a few macro shots of the damage area.  Is this tire safe 
>>> to ride if I use it with inner tube?  Also, is there way to fix the tear? 
>>> Some kind of adhesive or patch from inside?  Is there such a thing?
>>>
>>> Funny how 'no going back' situation turned into 'can't wait to go back' 
>>> :)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: RBW at 25: The Fellowship of the Rigs

[Ash]

Had planned on attending.  This week my wife's aunt said she and her family 
are visiting us that weekend :(  can't make it..

You guys have fun!


On Monday, 8 July 2019 14:43:20 UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Chaingang, 
>
> Coming up Real Soon Now is the RBW25 weekend at Samuel Taylor State Park - 
>
> Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 2pm Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 12pm PDT 
> Devil's Gulch Group Site 1&2 
> http://rbwxxv.eventbrite.com 
>
> - And while we can thank Justin in Oakland for laying the groundwork 
> of the event (read: HE RESERVED US THE GROUP SITES), it's going to be 
> up to each of us to make it happen! 
>
> So: Who is planning to attend? What level of riding are you hoping 
> for? What ideas or adventures would you like to have? 
>
> Speaking for myself, I can only make it over for Friday (will stay 
> over in camp) and Saturday riding. I'd like to make a ride from camp 
> around the Pine Mountain Loop, and then either return to camp via 
> BoFax / Bolinas Ridge OR, down into Fairfax via Repack. 
>
> I think it'll be "each-their-own" in terms of food, but it might also 
> be fun/nice to bring something to share for (either) evening? 
>
> Let's hear some enthusiasm and make this happen! 
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
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[RBW] Re: Is this Compass tire usable?

[Ash]

Oh and it is worth mentioning, this tire has less than 100 miles.



On Tuesday, 2 July 2019 15:41:16 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> Tire experts,
>
> I mounted Compass Babayshoe Pass (EL) tires tubeless couple of months ago 
> on my Rivfied road bike.  They were a joy to ride for sure.  Unlike 
> anything!!  
>
> Sadly, yesterday the rear tire deflated suddenly within a second while 
> riding in my neighborhood.  Probably would have crashed if not for the slow 
> speed.  The tire had a tear that was way beyond what the sealant could 
> handle.  Boy, were these tires an expensive experiment!
>
> I have attached a few macro shots of the damage area.  Is this tire safe 
> to ride if I use it with inner tube?  Also, is there way to fix the tear? 
> Some kind of adhesive or patch from inside?  Is there such a thing?
>
> Funny how 'no going back' situation turned into 'can't wait to go back' :)
>

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[RBW] Re: Recommendations for 650b tires in 42 to 45mm range?

[Ash]

All, THANK YOU for your suggestions!

Most of the time my use is roughly 60% tarmac and 40% gravel.  Hence more 
inclined toward T-Serve, Pasela, Fatty Rumpkin and Homage.

If you happen to have the above tires mounted, would you mind measuring the 
width for me?  Please... I already have a pile of tires that I'm not using 
for one reason or the other.  Wanted make sure it will fit before getting 
the new pair :)



On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 08:03:06 UTC-7, velomann wrote:
>
> I find the Panaracer T-serve in 650bx42 to be a nice balance between 
> durability and comfort. Not as supple as Rene Herse/Compass tired but way 
> less stiff than, say, Schwalbe Marathon and the like.  And pretty 
> affordable.
> Mike

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[RBW] Recommendations for 650b tires in 42 to 45mm range?

[Ash]

Now that my Appaloosa is sold, I'll be dependent on my road bike until the 
Boots lands (6 long months perhaps).  This road bike been converted (ie 
Rivified) to 650b and Boscos.  I have Babyshoe Pass tires tubeless on it at 
the moment.  It rides very nice.  They feel a bit too delicate for  gravel 
trails.  I happen to have another set of wheels.  Thinking of putting on 
some tires on it, with inner tubes.  Any recommendations for tires in 42mm 
or slightly wider?

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ash]

Hi Mark,

Here's the list of Rivendell's I have either owned or had a chance to ride 
- Sam 51, Appaloosa 46 & 51, Clem 45, Atlantis 50 and Homer 47.5  

Boots is on the Appaloosa/Atlantis/Clem end of the spectrum.  The ride 
feels relatively more 'stable' (likely because the small size fits me 
better than other Riv's I've tried/owned).  It is hard for me to put other 
subtle differences into words :)

Ash

On Friday, 21 June 2019 03:26:48 UTC-7, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Ash. Thanks for the mini review. How does it compare to other Rivs? 
> Have you had a chance to ride a Clem? Clemsters are quite upright friendly! 
>
> I spoke with a Riv spokesperson and I thought he said presale in 
> September. But now it's starting to sound like possibly sooner, and maybe 
> the actual bikes will be shipping at that time? Although it could take the 
> better part of the summer to test the lighter bikes, so maybe that target 
> date was...on target. Who knows, but I am preparing by selling some stuff 
> to build up the bike fund account.
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 20, 2019 at 10:25:32 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>>
>> I had a chance to ride the small Boots when I visited the world HQ last 
>> weekend.  The bike was real fun.  The design is natural evolution of Riv 
>> philosophy.  I'm 100% on board.  Except for out and out road biking, I 
>> think this bike can serve almost any other needs I can imagine. Touring, 
>> commuting, dirt, snow, haul stuff from Costco, around the town utility 
>> mobile, kid trailer hauler, take a kid on rack mounter seat, fire roads, 
>> crank a generator dynamo for emergency electricity,...
>>
>> During my test/joy ride at one point there were kids on the trail.  I got 
>> off the trail and continue to peddle on the grass area.  The surface 
>> beneath grass was uneven.  Very bumpy!   But Boots would just float.  It 
>> was so much fun for next 10 mins I was going around on the grass field.
>>
>> It is also the most upright friendly Riv IMO (this another big plus for 
>> me).  CAN'T WAIT!!
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, 20 June 2019 14:38:43 UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>>>
>>> Today’s Riv email stated that they are awaiting the arrival of the 
>>> Susies (lighter sub 165lb rider) version of Gus.  Once tested the the 
>>> presale will occur.  It was earlier stated that the selected builder can 
>>> complete 1.5 fillet frames a day.  A large variable will be the number of 
>>> bikes ordered by individuals, dealers, and RBW itself. 
>>> Super excited but equally patient.  Just glad Riv and their special 
>>> builds are still rolling out after 25 years. 
>>>
>>> Ryan Hankinson
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 46cm Appaloosa frameset (almost new)

[Ash]

SOLD.



On Friday, 21 June 2019 11:08:41 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> BUMP!
>
> Forgot to mention in the initial post, it includes seat post as well.
>
> Detailed pictures:
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4agowcbujxza8qi/AADlbnJhYugPsvIVk5HTd664a?dl=0
>
> I will also include a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples (26x2.15") and a pair of 
> Schwalbe City Jet (26x1.95") tires.
> Both pairs are lightly used (with over 90% life left)
>
>
>
> On Friday, 14 June 2019 04:51:12 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>>
>> This is the very last 46cm Appaloosa frame Riv had in stock 3 months ago. 
>> I've ridden it less than 200 miles.
>>
>> Frame, fork, head set, bottom bracket - $1,100 + bike flights ( I will 
>> cover packing)
>>
>> Right now it has Origin 8 black head set.  I will give include the silver 
>> FSA headset that came with it.
>>
>> If you are in Bay Area I can deliver it to you in person.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 46cm Appaloosa frameset (almost new)

[Ash]

BUMP!

Forgot to mention in the initial post, it includes seat post as well.

Detailed pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4agowcbujxza8qi/AADlbnJhYugPsvIVk5HTd664a?dl=0

I will also include a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples (26x2.15") and a pair of 
Schwalbe City Jet (26x1.95") tires.
Both pairs are lightly used (with over 90% life left)



On Friday, 14 June 2019 04:51:12 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> This is the very last 46cm Appaloosa frame Riv had in stock 3 months ago. 
> I've ridden it less than 200 miles.
>
> Frame, fork, head set, bottom bracket - $1,100 + bike flights ( I will 
> cover packing)
>
> Right now it has Origin 8 black head set.  I will give include the silver 
> FSA headset that came with it.
>
> If you are in Bay Area I can deliver it to you in person.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 46cm Appaloosa frameset (almost new)

[Ash]

BUMP!

Forgot to mention in the initial post, it includes seat post as well.

Detailed pictures:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4agowcbujxza8qi/AADlbnJhYugPsvIVk5HTd664a?dl=0

I will also include a pair of Schwalbe Big Apples (26x2.15") and a pair of 
Schwalbe City Jet (26x1.95") tires.



On Friday, 14 June 2019 04:51:12 UTC-7, Ash wrote:
>
> This is the very last 46cm Appaloosa frame Riv had in stock 3 months ago. 
> I've ridden it less than 200 miles.
>
> Frame, fork, head set, bottom bracket - $1,100 + bike flights ( I will 
> cover packing)
>
> Right now it has Origin 8 black head set.  I will give include the silver 
> FSA headset that came with it.
>
> If you are in Bay Area I can deliver it to you in person.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 2 Gus Boots For Sale on Riv Site

[Ash]

I had a chance to ride the small Boots when I visited the world HQ last 
weekend.  The bike was real fun.  The design is natural evolution of Riv 
philosophy.  I'm 100% on board.  Except for out and out road biking, I 
think this bike can serve almost any other needs I can imagine. Touring, 
commuting, dirt, snow, haul stuff from Costco, around the town utility 
mobile, kid trailer hauler, take a kid on rack mounter seat, fire roads, 
crank a generator dynamo for emergency electricity,...

During my test/joy ride at one point there were kids on the trail.  I got 
off the trail and continue to peddle on the grass area.  The surface 
beneath grass was uneven.  Very bumpy!   But Boots would just float.  It 
was so much fun for next 10 mins I was going around on the grass field.

It is also the most upright friendly Riv IMO (this another big plus for 
me).  CAN'T WAIT!!


On Thursday, 20 June 2019 14:38:43 UTC-7, Abcyclehank wrote:
>
> Today’s Riv email stated that they are awaiting the arrival of the Susies 
> (lighter sub 165lb rider) version of Gus.  Once tested the the presale will 
> occur.  It was earlier stated that the selected builder can complete 1.5 
> fillet frames a day.  A large variable will be the number of bikes ordered 
> by individuals, dealers, and RBW itself. 
> Super excited but equally patient.  Just glad Riv and their special builds 
> are still rolling out after 25 years. 
>
> Ryan Hankinson

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[RBW] WTB: 51cm MIT Homer frameset

[Ash]

Please PM me.. 

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie

[Ash]

I had always wondered about one-tube-thickness-fits-all aspect.  My frame 
size (46cm App/50cm Atlantis) being inherently stronger due to shorter 
tubes, isn't it over-built (and too rigid) compared to a 60cm frame if the 
same tubing is used?  Besides, the rider + load (160 + no more than 20lbs 
generally) is relatively light.  Having said that, for non-custom frames it 
is economically not viable to have so many permutations.

For me Susie makes perfect sense.  I'm thankful to Grant for making the 
lighter version available.  I'm sold!

On Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:00:52 UTC+5:30, adam parsley wrote:
>
> Grant recommends going with a gus if you are over 165 lbs or under and 
> plan on carrying a full camping load. I have heard from a friend that the 
> atlantis feels a little over built. Has anyone felt that way about the Gus? 
> Would throwing a big load on the susie be a bad idea?
>

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[RBW] Pool noodle as a safety device

[Ash]

https://qz.com/1620913/the-best-cycling-hack-is-a-pool-noodle/

I wasn't aware of this trick.  Apparently popular in Toronto.  Seems quite 
effective!


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[RBW] Re: Aesthetics Issue

[Ash]

I like the looks of Technomic/Tallux stems, but never understood the point 
of a tall stem with downward angle.  If it had a 90 deg or slight upward 
angle I wouldn't have to raise it so high.  So, while the stem itself is 
pretty, overall cockpit setup does not look all that great.

If there was a dirt drop (and in black) with 120mm reach I would  gone with 
that instead of Tallux.


On Friday, 17 May 2019 07:16:40 UTC+5:30, Jim S. wrote:
>
> I know fit is paramount, but let's assume fit is not an issue. 
>
> I just replaced a technomic stem with a dirt drop stem. My first reaction 
> is that the dirt drop stem is kind of gangly looking. I want to like it. 
> But the technomic is more elegant. Do others agree? (Yes I admit this is a 
> first-world problem)
>

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[RBW] Re: stack and reach for Riv frames

[Ash]

Thank you for sharing!

Very, very handy resource.  For starters, it answered my months-long 
question - why I can't seem to get handlebars high enough on my current 
frame, while on another similar size frame I didn't have that problem.


On Thursday, 16 May 2019 00:23:57 UTC+5:30, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Hi Jim, 
>
> I'll recommend (again) the invaluable https://bikeinsights.com/
>
> Reid in Austin 
>
> On Wednesday, May 15, 2019 at 1:47:43 PM UTC-5, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> Hi all, I was looking at frame geometry for various Rivs, and other bikes.
>>
>> I can't seem to find stack and reach on the Riv geometry charts. 
>>
>> Does anyone know where this information might be? It seems like a real 
>> helpful way of comparing frames.
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Ride Report: A Riv in the Himalayas

[Ash]

WOW!  What an epic adventure John.

Thanks a ton for sharing the story and the pictures.  

Seeing a Hunq with Wald's basket on such extreme adventure gave me a 
chuckle.  You 'just rode' what you had.   That's truly inspiring.

I've seen people spend 4 figures accessorizing the bike with all kinds of 
Ortleibs and what not, to ride from San Jose to Mt. Mount Tamalpais  :)


On Tuesday, 30 April 2019 06:26:49 UTC-7, John Rinker wrote:
>
> “Begin by drinking garlic juice immediately!” This was the first piece of 
> advice my new friend Sharad offered as we sat sipping coffee at Himalayan 
> Java in Thamel. I was preparing to cycle the Annapurna circuit, and 
> according to Sharad this was a sure way to avoid altitude sickness. 
> Michelle is always super supportive of my tours, but I figured this might 
> need some discussion. Or at least a courteous warning.
>
>
> “Don’t cycle near the edge. The dropping is very dangerous!” Even as new 
> friend, Sharad was already concerned with my safety.
>
>
> “And watch out for bears throwing stones!” Up to this point altitude 
> sickness had been my biggest concern. “Bears throwing stones?” I was 
> puzzled. “Yes, purple bears!” Hmm. I made a mental note to avoid what must 
> be very potent hashish in the mountains. “Purple bears!?” I pressed. “I 
> mean deers!” Sharad clarified. “The purple deers are on the mountains above 
> you and will knock down stones.” And so altitude sickness remained my 
> greatest concern.
>
>
> Riding a bicycle over a 5400 meter mountain pass (17,769 ft for those who 
> refuse to think metrically), or more likely pushing, carrying and dragging 
> it, was not something I’d ever really planned on doing- not a ‘bucket list’ 
> kind of thing for me. But I had just returned to Kathmandu from a wonderful 
> cycling adventure in New Zealand, and sitting around the apartment while 
> Michelle is working makes me stir-crazy. I went for a ride to Thamel, 
> ground-zero for trekkers in Kathmandu, and the bustle of excited travelers 
> preparing for their hikes in the Himalayas piqued my interest. I wondered 
> if anyone had ever cycled the Annapurna circuit. When I returned home, I 
> jumped on the interweb and discovered that people do it all the time. Woo 
> hoo! Within the week I had sound advice from Sharad, acquired my permits, 
> received blessings from Michelle, and was on a shuttle to Besishar, a town 
> about 140 km from Kathmandu and the traditional starting point of the 
> circuit.
>
>
> On foot the circuit is about 210 km in length as most people end in 
> Nayapul and shuttle to Pokhara. By bicycle, the ride is about 320 km with 
> about 7800m (26,000ft) of climbing. The road/track is the roughest I've 
> ridden anywhere. Period. It is rocky, muddy, potholed and a literal pain in 
> the arse. All of this, however, is mitigated by the incredible scenery, the 
> sense of adventure, the fascinating Buddhist relics, and the wonderful 
> Nepali people. The trekkers path is much better than the track, but there 
> are long sections of stone steps that require carrying the bike. I opted 
> for a combination. Once past Manang it is all path until crossing over the 
> pass and dropping into Muktinath. With the exception of a few sets of 
> stairs here and there, I was able to ride the entire way to Thorong Phedi, 
> about 6km and about 900m below the pass. The combination of steep terrain 
> and snow on the ascent to the pass and snowmelt and mud on the descent make 
> the final 6km up and about 10km down the other side are hike-a-bike at this 
> time of year.
>
>
> The night before I left High Camp to climb the last 600meters to the pass, 
> it snowed. As I set off in the early morning darkness under a crisp sky 
> speckled with stars, the moonlight shone off a fresh blanket of snow. 
> Thousands of individual snowflakes reflected the moon’s light and it was as 
> if stars themselves had fallen into the drifts. In the highest mountains 
> I’ve ever been, I couldn’t imagine a more perfect beginning to the day 
> ahead. 
>
>
> After about four and a half hours of carrying and rolling my Hunq, Sweet 
> As, over the fresh but trodden snow, I reached the pass. At 5416 meters it 
> is the highest elevation I've ever been. The air is truly rarified up 
> there, and looking down on some of the highest and largest mountains on the 
> planet was awe-inspiring, in the truest sense of the word. 
>
>
> Regarding the Riv, I'm not sure how many such bikes have been up there, 
> but it was, as you can imagine, in the eyes of many quite out of place. 
> 'That's not a real mountain bike!', exclaimed one German trekker. 'You're 
> going up there with THAT!?' was not an uncommon comment. But I think it was 
> the basket and the Albatross bars that really threw people for a loop. And 
> while many of the trekkers who pass me along the way as I plodded towards 
> the top were encouraging and truly delighted for me when I made it up to 
> the pass, I'm sure some were qu

Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[Ash]

Ran into this picture of someone making Boscos out of bullhorns 
😀


On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:54:57 UTC-8, John McBurney wrote:
>
> I have Nitto bullhorns on my Bombadil. I’ve done a lot of road biking with 
> drops and mountain biking with minimally swept back flat bars. I’d never 
> ridden a swept back bar of any sort except for a test ride. 
>
> It took a few minutes to adjust to the bullhorn bars but especially when 
> combined with the Brooks B67 saddle it’s just a lovely relaxed position. I 
> like it. I still like the position on my race bike but I totally get where 
> the upright position works especially with a wider sprung saddle like the 
> B67. 
>
> John
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini handlebar ideas

[Ash]

Ran into this picture of someone making Boscos out of bullhorns 
😀



On Thursday, 21 February 2019 14:54:57 UTC-8, John McBurney wrote:
>
> I have Nitto bullhorns on my Bombadil. I’ve done a lot of road biking with 
> drops and mountain biking with minimally swept back flat bars. I’d never 
> ridden a swept back bar of any sort except for a test ride. 
>
> It took a few minutes to adjust to the bullhorn bars but especially when 
> combined with the Brooks B67 saddle it’s just a lovely relaxed position. I 
> like it. I still like the position on my race bike but I totally get where 
> the upright position works especially with a wider sprung saddle like the 
> B67. 
>
> John
>
> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 11:53 AM Chip Martens  > wrote:
>
>> Hey tc,
>>
>> I've talked to Jeremy @ Sycip and the JJ and JJJ bars will be up soon. I 
>> talked to Will @ Riv and the Wavies should be up shortly as well!
>>
>> On Saturday, January 26, 2019 at 6:13:32 AM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>>>
>>> Surprised no one has mentioned Bullhorns.  Never had them, but like the 
>>> Albastache (in a different way), they offer multiple hand positions for 
>>> relaxed and aggressive riding, but the stretch to the aggressive position 
>>> (at least the shorter-style bullhorns) isn't as much as a drop.  I've seen 
>>> a ton of different brake/shifter combo's on bullhorns, too.  (Note I'm not 
>>> against the Albastache; I actually have one ready to mount if I decide to 
>>> go that direction ... just shopping around for different ideas at this 
>>> point.)  
>>>
>>> I'm still getting used to the look of thembut some actually look 
>>> pretty cool.
>>>
>>> Anyway, those of you that have experience with bullhorns, I'd love to 
>>> hear your pro's and con's - thanks.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> PS. Joe, I like that JJ bar, as well as its brother, the JJJ.  I wish 
>>> whatbars.com had them to compare.  From the looks of the JJ, the 31.8 
>>> Riv Wavie will likely be a direct competitor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>

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