[RBW] Re: The Cub House's Los Angeles Invitational Ride - May 18

[Brian Cunningham]

Armand is not getting me to sign up for the triple scoop. Even the single 
scoop option sounds brutal enough to me, with 4100 ft elevation gain over 
27 miles, but Tony, I'll suffer through it with you if you want to try the 
single scoop!

On Friday, May 10, 2024 at 8:07:01 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

> On Thursday, May 9, 2024 at 7:28:41 PM UTC-5 kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> This will be a fun weekend put on by the Cub House bicycle/plant shop in 
> Pasadena, CA. 
>
>
> I really wish I was going to be there. Take and post photos!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee WI USA 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 50cm Roadini

[Brian Cunningham]

Seems like a good deal! For approximately the cost of a frame/fork and a Berthoud saddle you get a complete bike! Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 24, 2024, at 8:38 AM, Chris Fly  wrote:Thanks, I'll check it out! I wonder if this is anyone on here? On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:15 AM Doug H.  wrote:Here is one on craigslist... https://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/bik/d/el-cajon-rivendell-radini-50cm/7719401355.htmlDougOn Friday, February 23, 2024 at 10:06:09 PM UTC-5 four...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all, still searching for a 50cm Roadini.. I know I can still get a new frameset, but hoping to get in with a bit cheaper route.. frameset or complete.. Thanks!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

Funny you should mention Chuck's ride, Ted. I believe I met you a couple
years ago when you happened upon the ride and I was on my (now former, a
little too French fit) blue Rambouillet. The Sierra Madre loop I have
developed borrows somewhat from that ride but subtracts some turn and the
climb into Sierra Madre that I favor is longer and more gradual.

On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 1:17 PM Ted Durant  wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 12:37:13 PM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham
> wrote:
>
>  If the plan is to meet up at Allez LA, and the plan is also to be
> strictly road, I enjoy riding east on York until it becomes Monterey Road
> in South Pas east of the 110, jogging north a block to the bike lane on El
> Centro, taking it 'til it ends, hanging a quick left and then immediate
> right on Mission, which gives you another bike lane and one that passes
> another Riv-friendly bike shop The Cub House. If you were to head back
> south to Monterey after that and head east you get the sort of smoothly
> paved roads that only a tiny and rich city like San Marino can manage. And
> then from there you can nearly get to Sierra Madre Blvd, which if you head
> north on, it will curve past Pasadena High and eventually lead you into
> Sierra Madre with a decent but gradual elevation change. Once you get to
> Sierra Madre you've got a good cafe stop at Syndicate. From my place in
> Glendale this is about a 34 mile round trip with about 1100 ft elevation
> gain but from Allez I'd guess closer to 25 miles. This is my default ride
> when I want to get some road miles in and the weather is mild enough that
> the coastal breezes are not a factor.
>
>
> I can confirm most of that, as I ride a similar loop frequently. Several
> of the roads are on Chuck Schmidt's monthly Velo Retro Rose Bowl ride. From
> Sierra Madre that ride comes back to the Rose Bowl via Paloma and Mountain.
> From the Rose Bowl, you can head south on Arroyo (a lovely ride!) and pick
> up Monterey/York back to Allez LA. I just did a quick RWGPS check and that
> route, including one lap of the Rose Bowl, is 43km/27mi, with a bit less
> than 1000' of climbing, none of it especially steep.
>
> In addition to Syndicate in Sierra Madre, there is excellent pizza and a
> cafe across the street from Cub House.
>
> I may be time limited, as it's my last day here and I shouldn't abandon my
> family entirely. I can cut it short, though, and not do the full loop.
>
> If the group wants some non-technical dirt there's always some Griffith
> Park fire roads we can do instead. Those turns I know better from visual
> memory than I could adequately describe here.
>
>
> I've only been there once, so can't help lay out a route. Anybody know the
> conditions of the roads after the rains?
>
>
> If the group wants to experience the LA River Bike Path, please be aware
> that it is closed north of Los Feliz Blvd this month for some repairs.
>
>
>  I'm not so big a fan of the river bike paths, other than a way to get
> from one part of the city to another. No shade, not much scenery. And
> yesterday I got screwed by one of them being closed unexpectedly. Had to
> hop a fence to get out and avoid backtracking a few miles.
>
> Ted Durant
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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

>>> the month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I HAVE been dialing in my rain-commuting setup, but it would be a
>>>>>> shame to not enjoy a sunny day with all of you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:13:06 PM UTC-8 heike...@gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Earlier in March is better for me - March 2 or March 16 would be
>>>>>>> best, but I can do March 9. Already have other outdoorsy plans for March
>>>>>>> 23rd (hiking Santiago Peak here in OC) and March 30 is spring break.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope we can find a time in early March - would love to ride with
>>>>>>> fellow Rivs (never have met another Riv rider in person yet!)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 3:05:10 PM UTC-8 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’d be available any Saturday in March 
>>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 2:02 PM, Ted Durant  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just arrived in San Gabriel and am here until the 18th. I’m
>>>>>>>> hoping to ride pretty much every day while here. Happy to meet up, but 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> don’t have a car so it will need to be riding distance. Shame about the
>>>>>>>> forecast for next weekend, hopefully that will change!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted Durant
>>>>>>>> Milwaukee, WI
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 7:52 AM, Brian Cunningham <
>>>>>>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If we’re thinking Saturdays, I’m free for either 3/2 or 3/30, if
>>>>>>>> that works for y’all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 10, 2024, at 7:35 AM, Tony Lockhart 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Calling all fair weather cyclists: *Looks like 2 inches of rain
>>>>>>>> in the forecast for Saturday the 17th. I'm happy to postpone or suffer
>>>>>>>> through the rain, provided there's a hot coffee stop along the route.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are other folks feeling? Wondering if it would be prudent to
>>>>>>>> push the ride date out to March.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Friday, January 12, 2024 at 11:00:39 AM UTC-8 Dorothy C wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My son is planning to come too, he has a 55cm lime Platy from the
>>>>>>>>> first run
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 11, 2024 at 12:11:50 PM UTC-8
>>>>>>>>> kiziria...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would recommend minimal singletrack to keep this ride as
>>>>>>>>>> inclusive as possible. Not all Riv riders have extra wide tires /
>>>>>>>>>> experience on dirt. (Not speaking for myself, I prefer dirt) Don't 
>>>>>>>>>> wanna
>>>>>>>>>> scare anyone off! The more the merrier.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wasn't able to visit AllezLA as they were closed on Tuesday. Will
>>>>>>>>>> post ride beta here as I gather it from friends / perhaps a future 
>>>>>>>>>> visit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:12:41 PM UTC-8 Donzaemon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like a fun ride. Wish I was still local!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 5:04:07 PM UTC-8
>>>>>>>>>>> heike...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm fine with 30+ miles and fire roads; not so sure about any
>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the schedule's wide open during the summer.On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20thk.On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up being the best date for all parties involved.Brian Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson <hwi...@smprep.org> wrote:Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!1. Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so Griffith seems like the best option. Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 ft. of elevation. I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!Bryan Edgar Valley VillageOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:Count me in. I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically different.Cheers,TonyOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all!I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my availability.Cheers!BenOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.Has he seen this yet?On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with a cafe stop or two thrown in. I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! But it's beautiful and fun.Ted DurantMilwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 



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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

 gonna try to make it out to the Cub House that weekend...it looks so sick! So excited to meet everyone! -HoustonOn Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but wanted rep the set.For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21. John Prolly's write 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA InvitationalI signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a spot at the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. The swap is really good too because sellers usually have interesting or high end items.-MattOn Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:@isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner from meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a blast. Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially since there are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.@bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a great location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event and happened upon the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of the family in the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love the handlebar setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno frames come out.On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 2:03:38 PM UTC-7 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. David Black & Tan SamThousand OaksOn Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was your parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a coincidence!The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some great payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so the schedule's wide open during the summer.On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20thk.On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up being the best date for all parties involved.Brian Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson <hwi...@smprep.org> wrote:Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!1. Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so Griffith seems like the best option. Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 ft. of elevation. I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!Bryan Edgar Valley VillageOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:Count me in. I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically different.Cheers,TonyOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all!I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my availability.Cheers!BenOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.Has he seen this yet?On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with a cafe stop or two thrown in. I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! 

[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Brian Cunningham]

Congrats, Tony! 

I'm just a few miles away in Glendale and have an orange Roadini from a 
previous batch. Know a fellow named Dean in Eagle Rock who has one from the 
new gold run, and it does look great. I'd have a hard time choosing between 
that and the green as well. Both are really nice shades.

Feel free to email me if you'd like to do a little Riv meetup for folks in 
the NELA area...

Cheers,

Brian

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 10:15:20 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That would have been a tough call for me, too, both colors are awesome. 
> Dark Gold it is! Congrats on your new Riv, looking forward to the build. 
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2735.jpeg][image: IMG_2734.jpeg]Alright—now the fun starts! 
>> The Leo arrived last night, so it got a healthy dose of Frame Saver. I’m 
>> going to build most of it this morning. Still waiting for a Silver triple 
>> crank and some chain wax to arrive. Should be ready to roll tomorrow. 
>>
>> Including color comparison images to show dark gold versus the orange on 
>> my Sam. Took forever to choose between the Sergio green and dark gold but I 
>> couldn’t be happier with my choice. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Last post for the intro...promise! 
>>>
>>>
>>> SAM BUILD
>>> After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
>>> build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
>>> biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
>>> coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
>>> some fenders and a kickstand.
>>>
>>> LEO BUILD
>>> This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
>>> the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
>>> Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
>>> to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
>>> as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
>>> life.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
>>> take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
>>> especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
 like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
 angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
 neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
 not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
 luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
 [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
 *Parts Bin*
 So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years 
 and I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a 
 screenshot of the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, 
 indicated in yellow highlighting.
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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Brian Cunningham]

Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, Irving, 
the listing has been removed.

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:

> If you're looking for something:
>
> - 57cm-ish
> - steel frame
> - wide tired, rim brake
> - in San Francisco
> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>
> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
>> have hurt so much.
>>
>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
>> The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
>> there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
>> would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
>> a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
>> the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
>> worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
>> and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
>> Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
>> Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
>> are better, so that's not an issue.
>>
>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>>
>>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>>> one. 
>>>
>>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Brian Cunningham]

Hey Brent,

I know that we've already gotten to chat about how much I enjoy my Roadini. 
I have owned an RB-1 previously, and would argue that if you could only own 
of those two bikes, the Roadini is a clear winner from the standpoint of 
utility. I've been commuting on it and taking it on mixed surface rides. 
Even in terms of weight, it's going to be a fairly negligible difference 
depending on how you build it up. I don't imagine it's easier to squeeze 
much beyond a 28mm tire on the RB-1 so it's not going to be as comfortable 
on rougher streets or fire roads. The shorter chainstays of the RB-1 are 
probably going to make it a little bit faster, but I doubt you'd be as 
happy on that bike on other than nicely paved roads. I also think that 
there's a little bit of market inflation when it comes to the top-model 
Bridgestones. If you want a zippy lightweight pure road bike of that era, 
you can probably find equally good ones that don't have the Bridgestone 
name attached. And if you're a strong rider, you can be nearly as fast on 
the Roadini with some plush wider tires with lightweight casing. 

That seller of the Bridgestone seems to specialize in very nice bikes with 
attractive photos and appears unconcerned with letting the market decide 
the value. He's had a Davidson Discovery up for eons with a caveat that 
he's "not desperate to sell" it and it shows. The price hasn't moved and 
nor has the bike. When I sold my RB-1, supposedly at the peak of bike 
scarcity in the early days of the pandemic, I still only asked $400 thru my 
local CL. I got my price within a day or two, no haggling. I'll concede 
that mine wasn't in nearly as nice condition, but still. 

my $0.02,

Brian
Glendale, CA

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> A 1990's road racing bike and a new Rivendell Leo Roadini are two VERY 
> different animals.  Like, practically different species, even if they are 
> the same genus.  Step 1 is decide which of the two you want, and then buy 
> the one you want.  If it turns out you really want one of each of those two 
> very different bicycles, then you've got something else to deal with.  
>
> If the real problem is you want one of each, know that they are completely 
> different bikes, and can only afford one.  If that's the issue then you 
> need to go back to Step 1 and decide which of these two types of bikes you 
> want FIRST.  Buy that one and save up for the other.  They are going to fit 
> MUCH differently.  They are going to ride a lot differently.  They will 
> have much different levels of comfort, stability, agility, etc.  They have 
> completely different vibes from one another.  I have both of those types 
> covered in my stable, so the appeal of having one of each type makes 
> perfect sense to me.  :-)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>> one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Brian Cunningham]

Oops! An error on my part. We have a 2.5cm difference in saddle height, not 
2.5 inches. So a 54 should still give you four inches of seatpost.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-8 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Doug,
>
> Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points that 
> might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover height 
> is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height gives 
> me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 
>
> Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm of 
> difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
> (56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
> good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
> away.
>
> As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars 
> comfortably high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge 
> below saddle) without having to size up. 
>
> I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Brian
> Glendale, CA
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
>> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
>> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 
>>> 50 Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>>> Doug Hansford
>>>> Athens, Ga
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Roadini 54 Sergio Green

[Brian Cunningham]

Doug,

Will is probably leading you in the right direction. Some data points that 
might help you from my 54 Roadini. Shod with 700X42s, the standover height 
is 32". I'm 6'0" with a 85 PBH/74cm saddle height. My saddle height gives 
me 5 inches of seatpost visible, so you'd be down to 2.5". 

Interestingly, I just checked the geometry chart and there's only 1.3cm of 
difference in effective top tube between the 50 (55.2cm) and the 54 
(56.5cm). I'm no bike fit expert (I figure if nothing's hurting all is 
good!) but I'd figure the difference of a single cm is just a stem choice 
away.

As Will has alluded to in the emails, it's easy to get the bars comfortably 
high (though I actually ride this one with the bars a smidge below saddle) 
without having to size up. 

I'm loving my Roadini and hope you love your soon-to-be-Roadini.

Cheers,

Brian
Glendale, CA
On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 7:51:21 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> It depends how you want it set up but if you are going for more of a 
> traditional road bike the 54 would ride like a 57 or something around 
> there. A 50 would ride more like a 54.
>
> On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 10:14:28 AM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> I had an email exchange with Will at Rivendell and he suggested a size 50 
>> Roadini for me. I'm 5'10" with an 83 PBH and 71.5" saddle height. Since 
>> that size is in stock I'll probably get a frameset to build up. Thanks all.
>> Doug
>>
>> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 5:28:34 PM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote:
>>>
>>> Frameset or complete would work. 
>>> Doug Hansford
>>> Athens, Ga
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: new tires (gravelking, ultradynamico), swrve shorts, VO curvy bar

[Brian Cunningham]

Ultradynamico tires sold as well!

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 2:22:10 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Gravelking 28s are SOLD! 
>
> On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:42:24 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Happy Friday all, 
>>
>> Unloading some impulsive, gratuitous, and accidental purchases. Hope 
>> someone finds something they could use or can at least laugh at/with me.
>>
>>
>>- *Brand new Ultradynamico 650B Cava JFFs *(*don't be like me and buy 
>>these without having a bike to put them on. "Oh what if I splurge on that 
>>Lightning Bolt frame? Certainly I need these tires." Spoiler: I picked up 
>> a 
>>secondhand Roadini recently instead and went Rivendell-lightweight not 
>>low-trail and really lightweight.)* *$100 for the pair plus shipping.*
>>- *Brand new Panaracer Gravel King Slicks 700X28 **(bought four 
>>somewhere cause the deal was too good, but two would've sufficed! It'll 
>>take me years to wear our the tires on the one bike I own that I run such 
>>skinny tires 'cause it's not in heavy rotation. Is the Riv list a bad 
>> place 
>>to try to unload 28s? Perhaps!).* *$50 for the pair plus shipping.*
>>- *Velo Orange Curvy Bar. **Never installed, just sitting in the 
>>garage. A 31.8mm clamp diameter. Classy looking bar shape.* *Hopefully 
>>you feel classy riding with it. **$35 plus shipping.*
>>- *Swrve lightweight "regular trim short" 34".* . (*Swrve doesn't 
>>believe in vanity sizing so 34 actually measures 34. Inseam is 11", a bit 
>>long for my taste but perhaps good for you. Weathered care tag reads '63% 
>>nylon/27% Coolplus/10% Spandex' and suggests a harder life lived than the 
>>garment otherwise indicates. Just went through the washing machine but 
>> the 
>>severely cat-allergic should be aware that a feline owns this house. 
>> Shorts 
>>are still in nice shape and lightweight, albeit not quintessentially 
>>Rivendellian. I should really work in sales!) **$30 shipped.*
>>
>> Email me privately if anything strikes your fancy. Thanks!
>>
>> Brian Cunningham
>> Glendale, CA
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: new tires (gravelking, ultradynamico), swrve shorts, VO curvy bar

[Brian Cunningham]

Gravelking 28s are SOLD! 

On Friday, August 18, 2023 at 1:42:24 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Happy Friday all, 
>
> Unloading some impulsive, gratuitous, and accidental purchases. Hope 
> someone finds something they could use or can at least laugh at/with me.
>
>
>- *Brand new Ultradynamico 650B Cava JFFs *(*don't be like me and buy 
>these without having a bike to put them on. "Oh what if I splurge on that 
>Lightning Bolt frame? Certainly I need these tires." Spoiler: I picked up 
> a 
>secondhand Roadini recently instead and went Rivendell-lightweight not 
>low-trail and really lightweight.)* *$100 for the pair plus shipping.*
>- *Brand new Panaracer Gravel King Slicks 700X28 **(bought four 
>somewhere cause the deal was too good, but two would've sufficed! It'll 
>take me years to wear our the tires on the one bike I own that I run such 
>skinny tires 'cause it's not in heavy rotation. Is the Riv list a bad 
> place 
>to try to unload 28s? Perhaps!).* *$50 for the pair plus shipping.*
>- *Velo Orange Curvy Bar. **Never installed, just sitting in the 
>garage. A 31.8mm clamp diameter. Classy looking bar shape.* *Hopefully 
>you feel classy riding with it. **$35 plus shipping.*
>- *Swrve lightweight "regular trim short" 34".* . (*Swrve doesn't 
>believe in vanity sizing so 34 actually measures 34. Inseam is 11", a bit 
>long for my taste but perhaps good for you. Weathered care tag reads '63% 
>nylon/27% Coolplus/10% Spandex' and suggests a harder life lived than the 
>garment otherwise indicates. Just went through the washing machine but the 
>severely cat-allergic should be aware that a feline owns this house. 
> Shorts 
>are still in nice shape and lightweight, albeit not quintessentially 
>Rivendellian. I should really work in sales!) **$30 shipped.*
>
> Email me privately if anything strikes your fancy. Thanks!
>
> Brian Cunningham
> Glendale, CA
>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[Brian Cunningham]

…and as of 1:30pm the Sergio Green in 54cm is the first to sell out.

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> The Malocchio looks interesting --- low BB and a nice headset. But it's 
> not any cheaper than a Roadini (though it might very well be lighter!).
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:17 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Brenton — Other modern production frames to consider: Crust Lightning 
>> Bolt and Molocchio? 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 1:11:23 PM UTC-4 exliontamer wrote:
>>
>>> Just going to throw this out there about the RB-1. Here's the actual 
>>> tubing spec and not what was listed in the literature. All of the 59cm & up 
>>> used the heaviest tubes in this set btw. My 62cm weighed in at 7.8 lbs for 
>>> the f/f/hs
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20160802144339/http://johndogfood.com/john/1993_DLR/reduced-1600/Bridgestone_Dealer_1993_10.jpg
>>> I know smaller frames are a little different (smaller frames are 
>>> generally lighter) , and I know it's blaspheme to some people, but they're 
>>> not all that. I love the way they ride but I don't think they deserve the 
>>> holy grail cult status they're given. They're overbuilt for some people 
>>> (not me) and the tire clearance is not typically great. I take calipers out 
>>> and I can honestly tell you that my '93 would not clear a true 30. 
>>> There's a lot to be said with getting what your heart is set on though & 
>>> confirmation bias is a powerful thing. A Gunnar or Waterford will be a much 
>>> better choice if you're looking for zip & clearance. Also the Roadini is an 
>>> amazingly designed bike. I've talked to Riv about it and they cut down the 
>>> tubes to the lightest butting possible so the 57cm & 54cm (not sure what 
>>> you're size is) will be noticeably lighter than the 61 frame. I have no 
>>> personal experience with the Roadini but my wife got the 50cm & loves it 
>>> more than her old (lightweight) Colnago & Battaglin. 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 11:44:46 AM UTC-5 eliot...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Erik,
>>>>
>>>> See if you can’t find a Gunnar Sport (or Waterford)
>>>>
>>>> I love mine and with VO calipers (which are excellent) it clears 35mm.  
>>>> I run the 32mm RH slicks. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 8:48 AM Brian Cunningham <
>>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As someone who’s bought four Rivs over the last 14 years and has never 
>>>>> bought one new (sorry, Grant! I still buy plenty of parts and accessories 
>>>>> from the site!), waiting and letting someone else do the depreciating is 
>>>>> fine as long as you’re happy with your current stable. I acquired my 
>>>>> complete, virtually new Roadini, for only a few hundred dollars more than 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> would pay for the frame & fork to be shipped to me & inclusive of sales 
>>>>> tax…
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I am super enamored with the Roadini!
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>> Muddying the waters in Glendale, CA
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:40:05 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> There's so much subjectivity here. I love hearing different 
>>>>>> experiences and opinions. My plan is to hold out and see if some of the 
>>>>>> underwhelmed folks offer up their Roadini's for sale. In the meantime 
>>>>>> I'll 
>>>>>> be cruising Craigslist and the like for a 58ish Bridgestone RB, or 
>>>>>> similar, 
>>>>>> that I can try out and see if I don't just stick with Sam H 100% of the 
>>>>>> time like I have been for 2 years. 
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[Brian Cunningham]

As someone who’s bought four Rivs over the last 14 years and has never 
bought one new (sorry, Grant! I still buy plenty of parts and accessories 
from the site!), waiting and letting someone else do the depreciating is 
fine as long as you’re happy with your current stable. I acquired my 
complete, virtually new Roadini, for only a few hundred dollars more than I 
would pay for the frame & fork to be shipped to me & inclusive of sales tax…

That said, I am super enamored with the Roadini!

Brian
Muddying the waters in Glendale, CA

On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:40:05 AM UTC-7 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

> There's so much subjectivity here. I love hearing different experiences 
> and opinions. My plan is to hold out and see if some of the underwhelmed 
> folks offer up their Roadini's for sale. In the meantime I'll be cruising 
> Craigslist and the like for a 58ish Bridgestone RB, or similar, that I can 
> try out and see if I don't just stick with Sam H 100% of the time like I 
> have been for 2 years. 
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Re: [RBW] ISO Roadini...or?

[Brian Cunningham]

Since I now own both a Sam and a Roadini (as of last month), the latter is 
noticeably zippier. The difference I feel in going from a stop to 
accelerating to a normal cruising speed is palpable. The Roadini just gets 
there faster and climbs more nimbly. My feelings seem to be supported by 
data. Now we’re not talking crazy differences in speed, but my rather flat 
commute   is somewhere around 14mph on the Sam and exceeds 15mph on the 
Roadini. (Though nobody rides a riv to break speed records, I like mapping 
my rides to keep track of mileage, and as a side benefit, I get to see the 
speeds, too.)

The Sam has a nitto rack/Wald 137/sugarloaf, while the Roadini has just a 
Fab’s Abs handlebar bag and a tiny Acorn bag in the rear for 
tools/tubes/patch kit. 

At this point I see myself leaning on the Roadini except in cases where I 
need to carry more stuff. Tire clearance is about the same between my 2015 
side pull Sam and ‘22 Roadini. The Sam of course has braze-ons that the 
Roadini doesn’t. 

Hope this helps,

Brian
On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:22:47 AM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> My '93 RB-1 fit 32mm Avocet inverted thread cross-type tires. I bought the 
> frame and fork (it came with a headset) and weighed it at the time. It was 
> 6.2 pounds or so (corroborated here: 
> https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vintage/778487-bridgestone-rb-1-1993-a.html).
>  
> My Roadini, by contrast weighed about a pound more. I put some parts I had 
> lying around and on it and it weighed about 22 pounds ready to ride 
> (pedals, bottle cages, etc). I can't tell whether it's stiffer, but it's 
> definitely more flexy than my Ti touring bike which has 43cm chainstays and 
> is modeled after the RB-1.
>
> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 5:35:06 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I wish I had a breakdown by model and year (I don't!) but the Bridgestone 
>> RB series varied the tire clearances by year. Some years fit a bigger tire 
>> than others. For example, the TIG welded 1990 RB-2 could clear a 32mm tire. 
>> I haven't encountered apocrypha indicating *any* RB-1 could clear more 
>> than a 28mm. 
>>
>> More on that 1990 RB-2 here: 
>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/pdfs/bstoneRB2synergy1990.pdf
>>
>> As Ex Lion Tamer alludes to, there are other frames out there you can 
>> find that are cheaper than a top tier Bridgestone. Those frames have a lot 
>> of cache and often are not cheap. 
>>
>> Here's another helpful iBOB thread with some discussion on RB-1 ride 
>> quality and suggestions for other frames to seek out: 
>> https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/IYFf1tLmYPM/ 
>>
>> Grant would say that any Riv is better than any Bridgestone. Better made 
>> and without compromises. If your POV on tubing and geometry aligns with 
>> Grant's then Robert's your mother's brother. 
>>
>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 8:24:18 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> The RB's in the 90's were advertised as around 22 lb total for a 
>>> mid-sized frame and that was built with a lot of non-light parts. I would 
>>> guess the frame is lighter weight and flexier than a roadini.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-4 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 If the Roadini with its double oversized tubing is lighter than an RB1… 
 I would be very surprised. I’ve owned both, but probably 20 years apart. 
 But tall head tubes, long chainstays, and heavy tubing all add up quickly. 

 Eric


 On Thursday, July 20, 2023, exliontamer  wrote:

> An RB-1 is a relatively heavy bike especially in 59cm & up & I 
> wouldn't be surprised if the Roadini is the same or possibly lighter. 
> That 
> said, I don't think that's a bad thing depending on the frame size, your 
> personal pedaling style/power, weight, etc. When I was focused on only 
> riding fast I had a 59cm frame with EL/OS tubing that was very thin 
> walled, 
> flexy, & light. I'm 6'1" & weighed 160lbs at the time & that bike was too 
> whippy for me personally. It took getting a '93 RB-1 (62cm wouldn't fit a 
> 32 btw)  to make me realize that I preferred a stiffer frame...also my 
> average speed increased even though the bike didn't "plane" & was 2 lbs 
> heavier. 
>
> I'm glad Jan & that crew are doing their thing but the message can get 
> tedious. I'm sure it works for some people but a lot of it seems to be 
> presented in a one size fits all way. All that said there are a lot of 
> 90s 
> steel frames that will fit a 28. Plenty of affordable lugged Bianchis 
> that 
> will be lighter and less expensive than the RB-1. I also second the used 
> aluminum recommendation. Even the new Cannondale Optimo has clearance for 
> 32s and, as long as a carbon fork doesn't freak you out, starts at 1k for 
> a 
> complete bike that's solidly spec'd and has rim brakes. 
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 11:27:12 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

Re: [RBW] Anyone Tried RH Snoqualmie Pass on a Sam?

[Brian Cunningham]

Tim,

I’ve got the same era Sam but with the tektro r559 brakes. Tire clearance 
is sufficient for those 44s, but when I’ve run them I haven’t been able to 
get the tires to pass through the brake calipers fully inflated, so I’d 
have to finish inflating after getting the tires in place. Not sure how 
those brakes compare with Paul Racers in terms of the size of the opening.

Brian

On Monday, July 10, 2023 at 6:23:42 PM UTC-7 eliot...@gmail.com wrote:

> Can’t speak to your tire clearance but I just put these tires on my gravel 
> bike (measured 43.75 for the extra light on 25mm ID rims) and they’re 
> fricken amazing. Feel fast on the road and capable of up to medium gravel. 
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:17 PM Tim Bantham  wrote:
>
>> Thinking about new tires for my Sam. Has anyone fit the 700x44 Rene Herse 
>> Snoqualmie pass? My Sam is circa 2014 and has Paul Racers. Easily clears a 
>> 38 so I am thinking about going ever larger to the 44. Anyone out there who 
>> has tried this tire on their  non-canti Sam?
>>
>>
>> Tim
>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO 54 Roadini

[Brian Cunningham]

Ahmed Elgassir was recently unloading on (complete in Mermaid); not sure if 
it’s sold. Was posted earlier in the month.

On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 7:31:51 AM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:

> I know there is a new batch on the way but thought I’d see if there is 
> anything on the market now. Would consider frame or complete. I also have a 
> neat black sheep klunker I would use as a barter if interested. Located in 
> Michigan. 
>
> That new green does look pretty amazing tho…
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Blue Rambouillet Complete - $1250

[Brian Cunningham]

Hello!

I can see the Rambouillet doesn't possess the allure of the rarer, coveted 
Hunqapillar! However, I know there's enough aficionados of this bike that I 
should be able to unload the complete bike if the price is right. Maybe 
$1250 was a bit much after all.

If nobody local is interested in the complete bike, I intend to bring it to 
a local shop in Pasadena to consign. They take a substantial percentage but 
do all the work. I'm guessing that they'd price it in such a way that I'd 
net about $1000, so in the spirit of trying to pass on what I think to be a 
bargain to a group that has brought me friendship, knowledge and good 
deals, is there anyone in SoCal who's interested in this bike for an even 
$1k? My desire to maintain n+0 in light of the incoming Roadini outweighs 
my desire to hold out for an imagined price I think I deserve. 

Let me know ASAP if this sweetens the deal for anyone!

Thanks,

Brian

On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:03:02 PM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

>
> Thanks, Piaw! Yeah I’m an oddly built 6-footer. I’m smack in the middle of 
> the recommended range of PBH/saddle height for a 54 Roadini. Often I’m 
> in-between sizes.
> On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's a really special bike and a relic of the Toyo days, but I really 
>> need a 58, not a 60.
>>
>>
>> I'm 5' 10" with a PBH of 86 and Will/Grant sized me down to a 54cm 
>> Roadini. It was a good choice! 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS - Ron's Bikes Fabios Fanny - Golidlocks

[Brian Cunningham]

Appreciate the insight!Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 13, 2023, at 6:21 AM, Sean Steinle  wrote:I think 44cm noodles is right at the minimum of what I'd consider running a fanny on. On my 42 noodles, the bag fits with space, but I definitely notice it's there, and there is some rub on my fingers if I wrap them around the ramps. Also, the side pockets are very finicky with 42s, couldn't say how they'd do on 44s but they're almost worthless with 42s. On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 10:40 PM Brian Cunningham <thisisbriancunning...@gmail.com> wrote:Hi Sean!Out of curiosity, how narrow was too narrow for the Fanny? I know from experience the Fab’s Abs works with a Nitto Noodle 44cm, but perhaps this bag is too much for such a bar?Thanks,Brian On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:04:54 AM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:Excellent condition, mounted to my bars, and tested packing around the house. Turns out these aren't designed for the old narrow drop bar holdouts :) Has some extremely minor wear marks from testing, but otherwise it's like new. Includes a MUSA cotton strap with brass hardware that matches the bag great! I'm into the whole package for $206, would like to sell for $170 + shipping. Basically just throwing the strap in for free on a sold out colorway.



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[RBW] Re: FS - Ron's Bikes Fabios Fanny - Golidlocks

[Brian Cunningham]

Hi Sean!

Out of curiosity, how narrow was too narrow for the Fanny? I know from 
experience the Fab’s Abs works with a Nitto Noodle 44cm, but perhaps this 
bag is too much for such a bar?

Thanks,

Brian 

On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 9:04:54 AM UTC-7 Sean Steinle wrote:

Excellent condition, mounted to my bars, and tested packing around the 
house. Turns out these aren't designed for the old narrow drop bar holdouts 
:) Has some extremely minor wear marks from testing, but otherwise it's 
like new. Includes a MUSA cotton strap with brass hardware that matches the 
bag great! I'm into the whole package for $206, would like to sell for $170 
+ shipping. Basically just throwing the strap in for free on a sold out 
colorway.




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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Blue Rambouillet Complete - $1250

[Brian Cunningham]

Thanks, Piaw! Yeah I’m an oddly built 6-footer. I’m smack in the middle of 
the recommended range of PBH/saddle height for a 54 Roadini. Often I’m 
in-between sizes.
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:57:48 PM UTC-7 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> It's a really special bike and a relic of the Toyo days, but I really need 
> a 58, not a 60.
>
>
> I'm 5' 10" with a PBH of 86 and Will/Grant sized me down to a 54cm 
> Roadini. It was a good choice! 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Blue Rambouillet Complete - $1250

[Brian Cunningham]

One note: I do need to keep the pedals for the incoming Roadini, so sale 
includes everything but the pedals/
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 9:46:56 AM UTC-7 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Hello!
>
> After 13 years with my Ram and deluding myself to keep it despite the 
> extreme French fit (my saddle height is 74cm as pictured; my PBH is 85 or 
> 86cm), I am going to find it a new home. Piaw and Houston inspired me with 
> their orange Roadinis and now I have one incoming from the Facebook Riv 
> group. Since n+0 is the name of the game and I have a road oriented Riv en 
> route, I'm afraid this must go.
>
> The build is a bit unorthodox for Riv with a lot more European parts 
> (Campy Record 10-speed gruppo with brifters! and a Mavic Krysium wheelset) 
> than Japanese (though there's still a Nitto B115 bar, Pearl stem, and Nitto 
> seatpost.) There's also a well-worn Brooks Swift. The Rene Herse Bon Jon 
> Pass tires have no more than 100 miles on them (and are the fattest tire 
> this model can clear.)
>
> This bike has some patina, scratches, chain suck, and a very faint 
> indentation in the headtube near where the brake cables route. If you're 
> looking for a rider with some beausage, this is a good candidate. 
>
> The one thing that had recently troubled me was what might be termed 
> "Mavic howl" out on a ride. I'm a terrible mechanic and even a real bike 
> mechanic wasn't able to replicate the problem when test riding the bike so 
> the freehub may need some work. With all the nice parts included, even if 
> this wheelset needs replacement, I think my price is fair, but correct me 
> if I'm wrong.
>
> Please note that this era of Riv, the sizing was center to top, not center 
> to center, so while it's on the big side for me, it's not AS BIG as it may 
> sound compared to how huge a present-day 60 Riv is. Riv envisioned this 
> size for a 87-89pbh/77-79 saddle height. 
>
> I'm hoping that with this low asking price I can have a quick local sale 
> here in Southern California. I'm based in Glendale. I just want this to go 
> to a good (slightly leggier!) home and I'd rather not ship.
>
> It's a really special bike and a relic of the Toyo days, but I really need 
> a 58, not a 60.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Cunningham
> Glendale, CA.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

e: RBWLAMeetup.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:56:40 AM UTC-7 Houston Wilson 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi y'all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for all of your feedback/responses! It's looking like 
>>>>>>>>>>> May 27th has the highest level of availability! We can always 
>>>>>>>>>>> adjust 
>>>>>>>>>>> specifics closer to the date, but for now let's keep the 
>>>>>>>>>>> morning/afternoon 
>>>>>>>>>>> of the 27th open. As a tentative plan, let's meet at Franklin's 
>>>>>>>>>>> Cafe across 
>>>>>>>>>>> from the Greek at 8 am. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Isaac and Matt, I'm gonna try to make it out to the Cub House 
>>>>>>>>>>> that weekend...it looks so sick! 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So excited to meet everyone! 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -Houston
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2023 at 7:48:04 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Valley head checking in; I can't commit to any May dates but 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted rep the set.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For awareness, Isaac is talking about the 2023 Los Angeles 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Invitational (Everyone's invited) 5/20 - 5/21 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.losangelesinvitational.com/>. John Prolly's write 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2022 write-up: A Weekend at The Cub House’s 2022 LA 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Invitational 
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://theradavist.com/2022-la-invitational-cub-house/>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I signed up for the 55 mile ride on Saturday and reserved a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> spot at the swap. It's a great event and everyone is super nice. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The swap 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is really good too because sellers usually have interesting or 
>>>>>>>>>>>> high end 
>>>>>>>>>>>> items.
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: losangelesinvitational.jpg]
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 9:14:29 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @isaac -- The Cub House events are right around the corner 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from meexcellent bike shop. And their community events are a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blast. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely a great opportunity for a Pasadena ride especially 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> since there 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a ton of good coffee shops in the area.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @bryce -- Yep, that was orange Sam at Palomares Adobe. What a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> great location. My daughter and I were attending the 626 event 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and happened 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon the grounds. Will definitely go back there with the rest of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the family 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the future. BTW, your Atlantis looks dialed in. Really love 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> handlebar setup, and will probably go that route once the Roaduno 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> frames 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come out

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

C-7 cycli...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Griffith Park would be doable for me 20th or 27th. 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David 
>>>>>>>> Black & Tan Sam
>>>>>>>> Thousand Oaks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:54:53 AM UTC-7 
>>>>>>>> dwyer...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi all –– Atlantis rider in the Pomona Valley here. I could likely 
>>>>>>>>> make the 20th or the 27th, with a preference for the 27th.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tony: I think that was my Atlantis you saw! I'd guess that was 
>>>>>>>>> your parked orange Riv at the Palomares Adobe that I saw too. What a 
>>>>>>>>> coincidence!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Mt. Hollywood route is definitely a climb but it has some 
>>>>>>>>> great payoff! I usually just take a break or two on my way up.
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 9:00:35 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I can make it on the 13th or 27th. Also, I teach for a living so 
>>>>>>>>>> the schedule's wide open during the summer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 10:21:18 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am available on the 13th, but might be flexible on the 20th
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> k.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 9:35 AM, Brian Cunningham <
>>>>>>>>>>> thisisbria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky 
>>>>>>>>>>> schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends 
>>>>>>>>>>> up 
>>>>>>>>>>> being the best date for all parties involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Brian 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. *Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, 
>>>>>>>>>>> so Griffith seems like the best option. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being 
>>>>>>>>>>> very chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if 
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone 
>>>>>>>>>>> wants to ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to 
>>>>>>>>>>> Vista del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 
>>>>>>>>>>> 8 mi 
>>>>>>>>>>> with ~1000 ft. of elevation. *I don't ride in griffith a ton, 
>>>>>>>>>>> so if anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up 
>>>>>>>>>>> before/after...please share haha! *
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!
>>>>>>>>>>>>

Re: [RBW] Re: Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

Of those 3 dates, I’m only available on the 27th, but my tricky schedule is not everyone else’s problem. I’ll join you if that ends up being the best date for all parties involved.Brian Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 25, 2023, at 8:10 AM, Houston Wilson  wrote:Yay, I'm loving hearing from y'all!1. Anyone have a preference for May 13th, 20th, or 27th?2. Regarding the route, it seems like most folks are out east, so Griffith seems like the best option. Ted D.--point taken about Griffith + Hollywood sign not being very chill. So, probably best to just stick to griffith, but if anyone wants to ride to the Hollywood sign after, I'd be super down! So, I'm thinking meet by the Greek and do a little loop up to Vista del Valle and around to the Observatory. This would be about 8 mi with ~1000 ft. of elevation. I don't ride in griffith a ton, so if anyone has route suggestions/food spots to hit up before/after...please share haha! On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 7:24:40 AM UTC-7 Bryan wrote:Hi! I might be able to make it, schedule permitting. Sounds fun!Bryan Edgar Valley VillageOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 9:18:43 PM UTC-7 Tony Lockhart wrote:Count me in. I'm in South Pasadena (orange Hillborne bought in 2009). Haven't browsed this forum in a few years, but decided to check in because I wanted to go on a group ride. Oddly enough, I saw a parked Atlantis at the 626 Golden Streets event yesterday. Seems like the perfect time to meet up with some other folks, especially since some of the newer Rivs look drastically different.Cheers,TonyOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:Hey all!I will be out of the country for about two weeks in MAY, but would love to join if I am in town. By no means should the scheduling be done around my availability.Cheers!BenOn Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:34:17 AM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:I remember Ben/bunnyadrian planning a local ride last year.Has he seen this yet?On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:17:19 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:40:12 PM UTC-5 Houston Wilson wrote:Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with a cafe stop or two thrown in. I don't think I'm going to make it out that way in May. In fact, my LA daughter is planning to come here for a week. I'll watch the thread with interest, though. As for the route ... I can't imagine Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign being a very "chill" ride - that's a lot of climbing! But it's beautiful and fun.Ted DurantMilwaukee, WI (and occasionally Alhambra, CA) 



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Re: [RBW] Los Angeles Riv Ride

[Brian Cunningham]

Hi Houston -

If my schedule allows, I’m in, likely on my Sam Hillborne. Could probably 
coax an Atlantis-owner friend to join, too. He’s in Glassell Park; I’m in 
Glendale.

Paging Joe Mullins, who is also on this list and local, but is a new dad 
and not sure how much free time he’s got.

Ben Adrian of Echo Park had organized a min Riv-heavy ride in NELA/DTLA a 
few months back. He has since unloaded his one Riv but built up a Rivish 
Soma that I’ve yet to see. And perhaps he would join, too.

Thanks for proposing this!

Brian Cunningham
Glendale, CA

On Sunday, April 23, 2023 at 4:47:51 PM UTC-7 Keith P. wrote:

I’d love to do this. 
I’m in.

Keith from Mar Vista


On Apr 23, 2023, at 2:40 PM, Houston Wilson  wrote:

Hi socal Riv riders,


I've been lurking in the RBW Owners Bunch for a little while and I'm 
inspired by all of the regional rides being organized. Would anyone be 
interested in doing a LA Riv ride/meetup at some point in May? I'd love to 
ride with y'all, make some new friends, and ogle at your bikes! 

Depending on where most folks are located, I think it could be cool to do 
the Will Rogers inspiration loop in the Western Santa Monica's or a 
Griffith Park/Hollywood Sign moment. Regardless, it'd be a chill pace with 
a cafe stop or two thrown in. 

I'd love to hear from you, let me know your thoughts!

-Houston from Venice

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