[RBW] Re: 5 Boro Bike Tour (was NYC Riv Ride?)

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Apparently, I replied to Pam as "author only" by accident, which, means my 
high praise and admiration for her *absolutely bonkers HERO feat* of flying 
to LGA and unboxing on the spot to tour NYC by bike didn't make it to the 
larger group here - *but it should have* (!) 

Amazing, Pam... just amazing!

jsk
On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:18:47 PM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

>
> NYC is great to ride.  I just got back from being there 9 days.  Here are 
> my routes .  I flew into LGA 
> and unboxed my bike in baggage claim and rode from there.  Exit Terminal B 
> and turn L down the sidewalk towards the parking deck and then cross the 
> street to 96th.  I rode through Queens across the Queensborogh Bridge to 
> Manhattan.  I didn't go to the Bronx or Staten Island but I rode the other 
> 3 boroughs solo.  Have a blast!   Photo is at Central Park.  [image: 
> centralpark1.jpg]
> On Thursday, April 11, 2024 at 10:48:54 AM UTC-4 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> I used to live in Fort Lee, and it was the prospect of commuting across 
>> the GWB down to Chelsea and back each day that got me into cycling. 
>>
>> We moved to Utah mid-pandemic and went back to NYC for the first time 
>> last week. I rented a road bike from Bicycle Habitat and did the classic 
>> Bear Mountain route. It was all great, but I'd forgotten how much I loved 
>> exploring Manhattan on a bike. I never did the Five Boro tour, but it looks 
>> like a blast. 
>>
>> Have fun!
>>
>> Brady in SLC
>>
>> On Monday, April 8, 2024 at 11:51:14 AM UTC-6 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My wife and I signed up for the tour and will be there! We even payed an 
>>> extra cost to be in the first wave of riders. I'll be riding my mustard 
>>> colored Appaloosa (I might even rock my tweed saddlebag) and my wife will 
>>> be on her extra-small orange Salsa Vaya. I'll be on the lookout for other 
>>> Rivendell riders other than my main man, Eben Weiss: 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as_9Pj_AD3A
>>>
>>> Say hi if you see us! 
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 10:05:33 PM UTC-5 velomann wrote:
>>>
 The 5 Boro Bike Tour in NYC has been on my bucket list for years, and I 
 decided this year is the year. First Sunday of May (5/5 this year).
 https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour/
 Registration opened this week, and I signed up.
 I've got my lodging and flight booked as well.

 This will be my first trip to NYC since I was a kid, 50 years ago. I 
 won't be bringing my Riv (Bringing the Ritchey Breakaway), but I'll be 
 there for a week, staying in midtown not far from ride start. 
 I'd love to meet up with others while I'm there, get recommendations on 
 where to ride, cheap food, coffee, bike shops, etc.

 Anyone else here doing the ride?

 Mike M

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NYC Riv Ride?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I should be around the weekend of 4/6 - keep me posted!


On Tuesday, February 27, 2024 at 8:29:57 AM UTC-5 Caroline Golum wrote:

> Bumping this! Back from the shoot, ready to ramble. 
>
> My birthday is on a Thurs this year (3/21) but if anyone is interested in 
> a ride the following weekend, weather permitting, let's organize!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Paramount @ age 40

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gorgeous (!)


On Saturday, December 30, 2023 at 2:22:58 PM UTC-5 John Dewey wrote:

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[RBW] Re: Anna Purple

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That Ana purple looks like a direct nod back to the Bridgestone XO's, 
which, makes it feel just right, to me, anyway...

On Friday, November 17, 2023 at 9:34:41 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Curious what folks think of the Riv frames in purple. I personally am on 
> the fence. I keep looking at it and can't decide if I would like it or not. 
> I would be perfectly fine with any of the other Riv colors but the purple 
> is a bit polarizing to me. Of course I am betting it looks great in person. 
> Thoughts? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Best mitten design for very cold weather

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I"m a Lobster Mitt man, myself. I commute through the winters in NYC and 
Pearl Izumi has been the go-to. I think I'm on my third pair in around 25 
years or so. They clean up well in the washer, hang dry - never the dryer 
(ask me how I know). The upper cuff isn't too annoying with various 
jackets, etc. I switch over to them when the temps drop to the low 30's. 
They aren't perfect below say, 10 degrees - but they're still pretty good - 
and for sure, I try to keep my trips short when it's below 10 degrees 
anyway.

They've evolved over the years - I'm about to try out a new pair this 
winter. I purchased them from Tri-Sports last Spring when they were on sale 
at $42.99. It looks like they're back up to full retail price again but 
maybe search around for a better price if you're interested.

https://www.trisports.com/product/pearl-izumi-amfib-lobster-gel-glov
On Thursday, September 28, 2023 at 4:15:59 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The fall style thread raises a question about keeping your hands warm in 
> very cold temperatures (for me, very cold means in the teens F). My fingers 
> are very sensitive to the cold. I've bought 2 or 3 pairs of PI Lobster 
> gloves but I've been disappointed in the fit and the warmth. 
>
> I've used Outdoor Research heavy nylon mitten sheaths with thick boiled 
> wool mittens underneath, and those were very warm indeed, but very awkward 
> to ride in, even on a fixed gear where you have to handle only the brake 
> levers.
>
> Varusteleka currently has a number of mil surplus mittens with separate 
> thumb, separate thumb and trigger finger, and separate thumb and first 2 
> fingers. The whole point of mittens is to bundle the fingers together in 
> one compartment for mutual warmth, so each added finger compartment 
> sacrifices warmth.
>
> Does anyone have thoughts on a glove or a mitten or a system that gives 
> the best mix of warmth and dexterity? And perhaps some particular gloves or 
> mittens that fit the bill?
>
> Right now, I've got hugely oversized 5-finger gloves under which I can 
> wear wool knit gloves, under which in turn I can wear silk liners, but this 
> sort of layer system is cumbersome to put on and take off.
>
> Thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That has to be the single most disorienting picture of a deck I've ever 
seen - I'd be sure to break a bone somewhere trying to step on it (!)

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The sprung version is still pretty common.  The B68 had been totally out 
> of production...or so I thought.  Rivendell has an OEM deal with Brooks 
> that lets them sell a saddle on a complete bike purchase.  I looked for a 
> loophole with Riv since I'm buying a frameset, and Will very nicely said 
> "Nope, sorry. Only on a new complete bike"  I've learned that there may be 
> other bike companies that have or have had that same deal with Brooks.  So 
> it was not out of production.  It was just a little trickier to procure.  
>
> If you think you can convert that B68 in a box into $100, then yes, it's 
> turned to gold.  Offer it and somebody will buy it.  
> If you wonder if you can convert that B68 in a box into $250, then no, it 
> has not turned to gold.  Nobody is going to buy it at "collector" pricing.  
> IMO.  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
>> version cousin) just turn into gold? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time 
>>> to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
>>> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
>>> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
>>> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
>>> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
>>> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
>>> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
>>> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
>>> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
>>> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> Wayne County Michigan
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke 
 up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? 
 And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!

 On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell 
> off parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I 
> see this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: moisture in dynamo light - am i screwed?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One other thing: I mounted mine to hang as well but did have it rotated 
properly (wires hanging downward - lensing in the correct position).
On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 6:51:04 AM UTC-4 jeffrey kane wrote:

> I had the same thing happen to that exact model after a couple of years of 
> use - mind you I rode nearly 10 hours straight in the rain the day before I 
> noticed it (5 Borough bike tour May 2019). My solution in the end was the 
> trash bin, sorry to say. I've been running an Edelux ll ever since with no 
> issues. The bonus is a better spread of light though, so there's that.
>
> On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 11:59:46 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
> (Brooklyn, NY) wrote:
>
>> I noticed my B IQ-X wasn't working this morning and then discovered 
>> there's moisture inside the body of the light itself (see pic below). 
>> Anyone have experience with this? Will it dry out itself or should I try to 
>> take the light apart and dry it out? Super high humidity today so I'm 
>> wondering if that's come into play. I can see that it's flickering when the 
>> wheel rotates so it isn't a connection issue. It just doesn't fully 
>> illuminate beyond the flicker. 
>>
>> [image: IMG-4818.jpg]
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: moisture in dynamo light - am i screwed?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I had the same thing happen to that exact model after a couple of years of 
use - mind you I rode nearly 10 hours straight in the rain the day before I 
noticed it (5 Borough bike tour May 2019). My solution in the end was the 
trash bin, sorry to say. I've been running an Edelux ll ever since with no 
issues. The bonus is a better spread of light though, so there's that.

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 11:59:46 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy 
(Brooklyn, NY) wrote:

> I noticed my B IQ-X wasn't working this morning and then discovered 
> there's moisture inside the body of the light itself (see pic below). 
> Anyone have experience with this? Will it dry out itself or should I try to 
> take the light apart and dry it out? Super high humidity today so I'm 
> wondering if that's come into play. I can see that it's flickering when the 
> wheel rotates so it isn't a connection issue. It just doesn't fully 
> illuminate beyond the flicker. 
>
> [image: IMG-4818.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO Brooklyn Riv Bike 'Gang'

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Same as Patch - but yeah, would love to join so will circle back if I can 
make it.

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 8:00:07 AM UTC-4 Patch T wrote:

> I might be out of town. If I'm not out of town, I'd love to join!
>
> Patch
> E. Wburg
>
> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 9:07:44 PM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
> NY) wrote:
>
>> I would love to join. Let me check the calendar and get back to you guys. 
>> Later preferable for me too, Kai. 
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 3:35 PM Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Forts and friends! https://photos.app.goo.gl/pcwSpzmpWEvBTixM7 <—ft. 
>>> Tilden awhile back, with the good graffiti 
>>> That’s an always fun trip, when you thinking to start? I’d be able to do 
>>> a later in the day ride, leaving after 2:30ish?, but with so much to see 
>>> out there, I would understand if that were too late a start
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 2, 2022 at 4:20:28 PM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 I will be out of town but would love to another time. Never did that 
 ride!
 Alan

 Sent from my iPhone

>>>
 On Jun 2, 2022, at 3:58 PM, Minh  wrote:

 hey all bringing this to the top.  i have a free weekend 18th-19th, so 
 proposing a ride down to Far Rockaway, anyone else around want to join?  
 Ride down, stop at Fort for pictures, get some tacos or other beach food.  
  could do Sat or Sunday, or even Monday if you have the day off!



 On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 8:32:06 AM UTC-4 Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
 NY) wrote:

> LIC would work for me. $100 per month per person? I'd prob be willing 
> to go higher depending on the space, how many other people join, etc. 
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 6:54:16 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>
>> I appreciate all leads and ideas. On the listings project, mentioned 
>> above, there are some spaces in LIC, an area I hadn't thought about.
>> This may be an unreasonable question right now, until we have 
>> something specific to consider, but does anyone have an idea of how much 
>> they would be able/willing to contribute to this? It might help in 
>> limiting 
>> the options. VERY rough ballpark figure, of course, with no obligations 
>> at 
>> all.
>> Alan
>>
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 1:09:42 PM UTC-4 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>
>>> There's this- https://bikecoop.nyc/ but it lacks the home base feel 
>>> that would be nice in a rental. Much cheaper though...
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 7:15:45 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 We had a nice meet up yesterday at the Spritzenhaus (gotta love 
 that name): Kai, Michael, Stephan and me, all on Rivendells from 
 various 
 eras.
 To all New Yorkersanyone interested in sharing some rental 
 space to set up as a workshop? My guest bedroom is becoming overrun 
 with 
 stuff. Could be in Brooklyn, upper Manhattanjust need easy access 
 via 
 bike. I'm envisioning a bike shop like atmosphere, work bench with 
 vise 
 (Yeh), shared tools and spare parts. Small frig with libations, used 
 couch 
 for a nap, etc.

 Anyone else have this pipe dream? Or a lead on some space?

 Alan
 UWS

 On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 1:36:50 PM UTC-4 Minh wrote:

>  (sorry if this is a double send).  
>
> hey all,
>
> i'm sad to miss this get together, sounds like there is a decent 
> number!   as far as organizing, i'd propose a sheet like this 
> ,
>  
> where people can add their names and links to parts swap, etc. we can 
> also 
> use it as a shared calendar for activities.
>
> if you wanna test it, here's the link to the form 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:41:40 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> I'm in for the meetup, looking forward to it!
>>
>> -Stephen
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:04:46 AM UTC-4 Kainalu V. 
>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:
>>
>>> Might be a little late, coming from the dentist, hopefully not 
>>> numb, maybe with drop bars...
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 8:27:46 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:
>>>
 Good Morning All,
 I'm hoping that tomorrow will be better for some of you, at 
 least. I suggest meeting at the Spritzen House, 33 Nassau st 
 

[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great stories, as usual - I'm pretty sure I remember suggesting that you 
should consider converting that ol' Betty Foy into your drop bar go-fast 
bike a long time back ... 

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:10:18 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
> Leah can hang. 
>
> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
> but there it was.
>
> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 miles 
> and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position but I 
> was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people and to 
> let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of wildlife. 
> Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the group. I 
> got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” comments, 
> and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a carbon bike. 
> They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They marveled at my 
> kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to ride with them.
>
> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>
> 2. Bringing your practical, Just Ride mentality to a club is good. 
> It seems racer types don’t know about USING a bike. You cannot have your 
> carbon frame knocked about in a bike rack, so errands by bike/commuting 
> isn’t popular. I have been active on the club’s FB discussion page, and 
> been posting the 30 Days of Biking challenge. I’ve got pics of my huge 
> grocery hauls on my Shopping Platypus and the like. Surprisingly, they did 
> not know about this national challenge, and several of them are now joining 
> me, including my mentor!  Riding for pleasure and errands is a foreign 
> concept to most. They ride to go fast and get miles and be 

[RBW] Re: Buzzy hubs, hipster or window rattling?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joe - I have that same hub (or a T-11 or something) but yeah, it turned me 
off to loud hubs for good:

1. For the small percentage of riding that I get to do in the woods I found 
it really annoying, like, "no talking in the library" annoying!
2. When I had my bike on the stand doing tune ups or whatever the thing 
would be so loud I couldn't hear myself think!

Honestly, it even bugged me in NYC where I ride daily .. and that's really 
saying something. Now it hangs in the garage collecting dust ...

How's that for old man grouchy? 



On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 5:40:38 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I don't think you freewheel to scare old ladies while out PO-ing your 
> neighborhood. You didn't say if your custom was a balloon molded CFRP clack 
> resonator or if your wheels were of deep section non-metallic rims, single 
> digit spoke count or monocoque either. All those really add to project your 
> pawls' snapping over the edges of the teeth on the drive ring. That'd be a 
> real public menace. 
>
> My Suzue Classica is louder than my Shimano freehubs but those have also 
> been the only brand of freehubs on which I've had pawl failure. I 
> appreciate the different sound of a different freewheeling mechanism 
> because of that decades old experience, even now.. Shimano is probably the 
> only manufacturer able to engineer the acoustic signature of a freehub as 
> part of their product engineering and design development. I suspect  that 
> Onyx and others with quiet to silent clutch-like engagements do so as an 
> unintentional secondary gain to a alternate paradigm of freewheeling and 
> egagement, which is hip and cool itself.  
>
> If my rear hub ratchet racket means sturdier, I'm for it. Has nothing to 
> do with "not Shimano", that's just secondary gain for me. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:58:17 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Just back from a ride on my fancy schmancy custom with its fancy schmancy 
>> White Industries hubs. Why did I think that loud freewheeling buzz was the 
>> cool jam?? I feel like I'm on a Harley with straight pipes pissing all the 
>> neighbors off! What's the verdict around here, are buzzy hubs hip and cool 
>> and I'm a grouchy old anti-hip and cool person? 
>>
>> Joe "uncool as always" Bernard 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Bike to Ride 70 Miles On

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great story ... the first thing that came to mind for me was: if you can 
ride it 30 or 40 you can ride it 70!

On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:57:50 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> That's awesome!  I have ridden a couple 200km (130 mile?) rides on my 
> Hillborne now and will push as far as I'm physically willing to on that 
> bike - it's not the fastest bike, for sure, but the comfort becomes really 
> welcome on very long rides, along with the stable handling. I have 
> considered a lighter, faster feeling bike for big rides but honestly I 
> don't think I'd like that better overall considering how nicely the Sam 
> rides. 
>
> I think comfort and intuitive handling are the top characteristics for 
> all-day rides to me, and this covers most Rivs thankfully! 
>
>
> On Sunday, 14 November 2021 at 06:48:09 UTC-8 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>
>> Congratulations on completing the birthday ride!  I agree, any bicycle 
>> will do.  
>>
>> This:  * >   Time and determination are key  I think   <*
>>
>> All the Best,
>>
>> Jeff & Lori
>> Claremont, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 6:31:29 AM UTC-8 philipr...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I've seen your friends on those Townies a number of times at WWL, aways 
>>> do a smile & a wave.
>>> On Sunday, November 14, 2021 at 7:48:54 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 Good on you guys! made my day!

 I turn 70 next December (2022)...maybe I'll make that a goal! I'm sure 
 your wife and her friend were glad you came along. If I was doing 
 something 
 like this, I'd want company too...and it doesn't matter how long it takes. 
 Ideally I'd do some kind of out-and-back  into the wind in the AM and 
 tailwind for the PM but sometimes it doesn't work out that way. I'd have 
 to 
 work up to it , though

 Yes, Rivs are fine bikes. I'd probably use my Road with drop bars...my 
 other ones have moustache and choco; after 50 miles I'm missing drop bars.

 But enough about me...congratulations to all of you!

 Ryan in Winnipeg




 On Saturday, November 13, 2021 at 11:00:06 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:

> That’s rad!
> Those Electra pedal-forward bikes have kept my in laws able to bike 
> into their 70’s.
> My mom finally overcame her personal feelings associated with trikes, 
> and bought one last year (her balance is poor following an injury). Now 
> she 
> rides that trike whenever the weather allows and just loves having the 
> option to bike.
> I agree, if you’re comfortable on a bicycle the only limit to how far 
> you can ride it is your own endurance. 
> Happy Birthday to your wife!
>
> On Nov 13, 2021, at 20:51, st nick  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
> What bike would you pick to ride 70 miles?
>
> Some of you probably regularly do that distance.
>
> My regular range is 20 to 40 miles.
>
> It's been a long time since I rode 70 miles and I was a much younger 
> fellow.
>
> I think about any Rivendell model is up to the task.
>
> Of course a lot depends on the rider and if they are up to the task.
>
> Some might choose their lightest and/or fastest bike.
>
> I pose this question to see what people think and there will likely be 
> a lot of different view points about it.
>
> I learned something today.
> A bike one wouldn't necessarily think would be a good candidate for 
> that mileage can still work.
>
> My wife and her good friend decided they wanted to make a 70 mile 
> attempt today to celebrate my wife turning 70.
>
> I'm along for the ride and mechanical support if needed.
>
> I admit was a bit skeptical as they haven't been doing a great deal of 
> riding the last few months  perhaps in the range of 30 or so per week.
>
> Heck, I didn't even know if I could make it that far.
>
> Also they have comfort style Electra  Townie and Trek Pure bikes. 
> (Very similar...I think Trek bought Electra) not exactly light weights. 
> They have that pedal forward design in which the bottom bracket and crank 
> are 3 or so inches forward of the seat tube.
>
> This allows a rider to have their saddle at the correct height but put 
> their foot on the ground without getting off the saddle. 
>
> Cool design for certain riders, I think, especially older people of 
> which our group of 3 are getting into that category.
>
>
> One is geared 1x7 and one a 2x7 and both have grip shifts.
>
> I should have probably taken my Sam Hillbourne but we needed a basket 
> to carry stuff so I grabbed my 1990 Miele mtb I had converted to urban 
> cruiser and grocery getter. It's very comfortable and has a pretty 
> relaxed 
> geometry. 
>
> I think around 40 miles was my previous longest distance on it.
>
> I keep all 3 bicycles pretty well 

[RBW] Re: Re-Introduction

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nice to meet you, Dave - I've been hanging around here for years but 
haven't been posting much since 2019 or so. I will say I'm jealous of your 
LBS though - I love those guys and once managed to squeeze in a visit and 
ride with them (not an easy feat when you live in NYC)! Anyway, they've got 
great energy and give off great vibes. Nice looking Sam, btw - and you're 
in good hands should you need help with it 'cause the GS and Cub House crew 
know what's what in the world and have a healthy respect for all things Riv 
...

On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 11:42:45 PM UTC-4 Dave in Los Angeles wrote:

> [image: tempImagestGBod.bmp]
>
> On Monday, April 26, 2021 at 8:15:38 PM UTC-7 Dave in Los Angeles wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've been on here since '09, but don't post much. Though I'm a pretty 
>> consistent lurker. I was on BOB too, but that info seems to be gone. (Did 
>> nobody save the old forum data? Is that even a thing?)
>>
>> I work about a block from Golden Saddle Cyclery and love being so close 
>> to the world they've helped build in Los Angeles. A 100 years ago I worked 
>> at Wheelworks Belmont where I really lived/breathed bikes. Now I mess 
>> around in the garage and ride when I can. 
>>
>> Just sold my Quickbeam frame/fork and picked up a Sam, but I'm still not 
>> decided on the direction to go with it just yet. What bigger decision is 
>> there? I'll probably throw up some parts for sale and see where that gets 
>> me. Maybe I'll sell the fixed Paul wheels and go to a 1x11...
>>
>> My wife rides an '89 B-Stone MB-1 that I futz with occasionally for 
>> yucks. I'm now on the lookout for a bi-plane forked MB-1 to do a parts 
>> swap. 
>>
>> Dave
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tomorrow’s the day! New Mixte Day!

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I know that excitement - and I know the sleeplessness - or restless sleep 
it produces. The all-night-in-your-head conversations regarding that one 
precious object. It's an odd sensation to balance when we all know the ups 
and downs of contemporary life. The constant dance of need to balance the 
bigger things ... the "really" important stuff: family, health, etc. And 
yes, sometimes I do feel guilt over the covet ... but oh man (!) what it 
does for the soul to search and find (!) I truly hope everyone can 
experience that one small personal inner joy over something, sometime in 
their lives that Leah just perfectly encapsulated.

On Tuesday, October 27, 2020 at 11:08:18 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Yesterday, I got the email I’ve been waiting for since...well, forever. Or 
> since 2018, which is the same thing. Tomorrow around 2 or 3 pm, that UPS 
> truck will pull up, and the friendly guy in the brown uniform will be 
> lugging a (hopefully intact) box from Rivendell. Inside will be the 
> glittery raspberry mixte that I have been pining for for YEARS. The first 
> Platypus, the only one of its kind, and I am dangerously close to imploding 
> with happiness.
>
> Years ago, maybe 2013, I saw a lipstick pink Rivendell custom mixte on 
> Flickr. It belonged to a woman who loved it fiercely and still does, to 
> this day (she has posted it on social media as recently as April 2020). I 
> thought I would want her exact bike, if I could choose whatever bike and 
> color I wanted. Some time later, I saw a red Glorius (Cyclofiend’s wife’s 
> bike) and I liked that even better. I changed my mind and said if I ever 
> got a chance to choose, I’d choose a metallic red Rivendell. Then I made 
> the famous PurpleRiv’s acquaintance, and I saw her beautiful custom mixte 
> with the sexy swoops in the back and I thought, “Actually, I’d like a bike 
> like hers, but in metallic cranberry.” When rumors of the Anniversary Mixte 
> swirled on the Blahg, I hoped for that bike to be the One Bike to Rule Them 
> All. Maybe the AM could be the right mixte in the right color. But that 
> bike was never made.
>
> But tomorrow something will arrive that has exceeded all my previous 
> ideals. I will get a Rivendell mixte with the sexy swoops like PurpleRiv’s 
> in a color that you’d imagine if you combined cranberry red and lipstick 
> pink.
>
> A Raspberry Metallic Rivendell Mixte.
>
> I did not sleep last night and I doubt I will sleep tonight. This will 
> make sense to no one (except maybe my #RivSisters) but I have spent the 
> last couple of hours getting ready for my bike to arrive tomorrow. I 
> cleaned my house. Washed my floors. I went up to my room and gave myself 
> the spa treatment. Clarifying masks. Pumice stones. I gave myself a 
> manicure and pedicure and all my nails are painted raspberry with a shiny, 
> clear topcoat. I can’t explain why this had to be done but it feels like a 
> natural part of the process to me. I chose my outfit and have planned my 
> day. I love my RBW Blue Clementine, but I’m ready to park a Rivendell mixte 
> next to it. 
>
> I will try to get good photos tomorrow, but I might also just tip over. 
> This is a bolus of joy in an otherwise difficult year. I have imagined this 
> bike for so long and now it will finally be real.
>
> I can’t wait for tomorrow! Thanks for celebrating with me here. It is good 
> to be among friends.
> Leah
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Have an idea for my stash of unused camera film

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a beautiful gesture, Daniel. Attached a link to a free shipping 
label. If you're not in a rush, use it and send us your rolls. Just add a 
note to me and we'll process them for free. D/M me and we'll sort out a 
significant discount for full roll scanning and return shipping as well 
- and in the spirit of Daniel's gesture, this goes for everyone on the list 
whether he sent you the film or not.

We're doing our best here to preserve our chemistry with the goal to 
ultimately bring all of our employees back & reopen when we're allowed. We 
did a "closed door" processing run yesterday and our customers delivered 
triple what we expected ... all with no customer service, no cash 
transactions, pick-up outside the door, etc (!) There was a lot of love 
there and we're extremely grateful. 

Stay strong (and sane) everyone !!!

Lab: https://www.lti-lightside.com/film-processing-proofing
shipping 
label: 
https://returns.usps.com/CreateLabel.aspx?ID=9407=Customer=No
Lab Instagram: @lti_lightside

Jeffrey Kane
@jsknycbikes


On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:49:28 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Awhile back because of Grant etc.  Thought about getting into film 
> cameras.  Grabbed a deal on b/w film .  Wary of hobby creep and expense of 
> developing i shelved the idea.  But still have the film in my fridge, 
> expired date last year.  Someone's covid camera sale reminded me about that 
> film.  
>
> Came up with an idea for my stash of film. Send film out to people on here 
> and maybe ibob.  Request in return, AT LEAST one photo from the pictures 
> you take using the film. What do you guys think of my idea? If i decide to 
> do it I'll start a new thread (s)
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I started this damn thread .. and could not be more jealous (!). 

Fit wise: I'd want to be able to switch between drops and say, bull moose 
(and yet, still hope the BB wasn't too high) but hey, that's why the call 
it "custom" isn't it?

On Wednesday, March 4, 2020 at 8:19:49 PM UTC-5, Michael / SF wrote:
>
> Buyer checking in! Yes, the plan is to add more chips to the frame but 
> ultimately cake it all in dirt. Will is a friend, and I told him I’ll think 
> of him every time I see the paint chip. We laughed about it.
>
> I asked Grant to compare the design to any Rivendell, past or present. He 
> chose the Hunqapillar, except with a level-ish top tube and lighter tubing. 
> He told me he spent tons of time and energy designing the frame, poring 
> over all the details and repeatedly, with an ear-to-ear grin, paused to 
> remind me that "this is a really, *really* - *really* - good frame.”
>
> He went on to praise Mark Nobilette and Joe Bell for being masters of 
> their craft, and hinted at the “small run” MUSA frames coming later this 
> year (sorry, didn’t get specifics). I could tell he is excited that Riv can 
> generate hopefully-lucrative business for small custom shops like Nobilette 
> and Bell, who he believes deserve to rake in the big bucks, but don’t. Not 
> even close.
>
> Assorted things:
>
>- Yes, this was “Vaughn’s out of spec custom”, but it deserves to be 
>called “The Flyweight Hillibike Custom.”
>- This is exactly how I’d spec a Riv custom. In other words, “please 
>mix the Susie/Wolbis - a hillibike for lightweights like me - with a 
>Hunqapillar. Keep classic Riv details like shorter chainstays, fancy 
> custom 
>lugs, level-ish top tube, and soothing green paint. Design for Bullmoose 
> or 
>Albatross bars, cantis, and tire clearance up to 2.35. Plan for mountain 
>biking and camping overnighters. Use the lightest tubing you feel 
>comfortable with, but I can’t promise I won’t load it up.”
>- No, I wouldn’t spec the fancy dyno dropout tabs, nor would I spec 
>the triple bottle cage mount. In reality, all this amounts to is a single 
>extra bottle mount. I’ll make use of it one day!
>- I measure 1 PBH less than Vaughn and weigh a couple pounds more. All 
>angles and measurements jived.
>- My beloved 48cm/26” Hunq is slightly small for me. I’ve considered 
>commissioning a MUSA 51cm/650b Hunq, but Rivendell won’t tweak stock frame 
>tubing without entering $4000 custom territory. Alas, nothing happened 
>until this custom popped up out of nowhere. Perfect!
>   - From the website: “*A custom takes your weight and riding style 
>   into consideration, but a stock frame comes in one tube weight 
> only---which 
>   is just fine if you're in the normal weight range (for normal people, 
> not 
>   for pro- cyclers). If you're super stout for your height, maybe you DO 
> need 
>   a custom. If you're really light for your height, there again, we can 
> build 
>   your custom with tubes lighter than those we'd put on the equivalent A. 
>   Homer Hilsen, Atlantis, or whatever.*”
>- Yes, the frame was expensive, but Rivendell is a local business I 
>love to support, especially in this wild chapter in San Francisco Bay Area 
>history. My tax return really helped out and, again, they sold the frame 
> at 
>cost.
>- You’ll be pleased to hear that Joe Bell provided touch up paint for 
>the frame.
>
>
> Grant was visibly jazzed about the frame, so much so that I jokingly made 
> him say goodbye to it before leaving the warehouse, but I promised I'd 
> bring it back next time I ride Shell Ridge.
>
> Note that multiple people on this thread, many of my cycling friends, me, 
> and at least one past Rivendell employee all want to ride a frame exactly 
> like The Flyweight Hillibike Custom. The demand is out there. With that 
> said, no regrets - I’m happy with the purchase.
>
> I’ll post build photos when I get ‘em. Cheers!
>
> Michael
> SF / CA
>
> On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 3:08:40 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I hope the buyer rode it in the dirt and put a couple more scratches on 
>> it and thinks we're a bunch of idiots who need to get off the internet! 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

nd ... it appears to be sold!


On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 10:38:05 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> What are the imperfections, aside from the paint chip? I don’t think it’s 
> high at all. It’s 700 less than the going rate.

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[RBW] Re: Vaughn's custom for sale

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here's the link:

https://www.rivbike.com/products/flyweight-hillibike-custom-54-8cm?_sid=b14ca0d6e&_ss=r&_pos=2&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJqZWZmcmV5LmthbmVAbWFjLmNvbSIsICJrbF9jb21wYW55X2lkIjogIkxWYjZhQyJ9

On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 5:44:18 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> What size is it?
>
> Thank you 
> Ray
>

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[RBW] Vaughn's custom for sale

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

omg - my size ... everything screams *RIGHT* about it. And I mean, 
*everything* ... well, except for the $3300.00 part (to my wallet, I mean).
Though, I am curious about the BB drop?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivsack Banana Sax, Paul Skewers, TRP Brake levers, Helix coffee dripper

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Phil - I'll take those Paul skewers. Can PAyPal immediately / just lmk 
/ jsk

On Wednesday, February 26, 2020 at 9:42:34 PM UTC-5, phil k wrote:
>
> I am moving and finally pared down to one bike. I've dialed it in, and so 
> I no longer need some of these parts:
>
> Riv Sackville Banana Sax Olive Green, new condition - $95 shipped
>
> Pair of Paul QR skewers, 100mm & 130-135mm rear, silver with orange, new 
> condition - $60 shipped
>
> TRP RRL brake levers, gum hoods - $40 shipped
>
> Optimus kettle - $15 shipped
>
> Helix Coffee dripper - $10 shipped
>
> Sugino 165mm crank arms with 38t Raceface narrow wide ring - $50 shipped
>
> Sugino chainrings, 44t & 34t - $10 shipped
>
> Since I am busy moving, if you are buying multiple things, I'll knock off 
> prices.
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212523.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212518.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212550.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212421.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212704.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212614.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_212336.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_20200226_213919.jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Chain rubbing rear tire on Clem.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I guess it depends on how you use your bike and how chill a human you are. 
Me, I tend to be less chill about things like that. It shouldn't happen on 
a bike that's supposedly spec'd for tires that big (or quite frankly, any 
properly designed bike). If it's just a matter of spacers not being 
installed on the cassette then that's an easy fix. I wouldn't be opposed to 
1mm to 1.5mm spacers on a BB shell either .. or flat out changing the BB 
spindle length. But otherwise no. I could not stand for chain rub on a tire 
...  even in a lightly used gear.


On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 12:54:20 PM UTC-5, Jim Whorton wrote:
>
> Thanks, all.  I'll leave it alone for now...never noticed it while riding, 
> only while looking at it on the stand.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, February 24, 2020 at 11:59:07 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Jim:
>>
>> I wouldn’t worry about this. The chain isn’t going to wear down the tire, 
>> but the tire might deposit a little dirt on the chain.
>>
>> I have one or two bikes which have a very minor rubbing issue in one 
>> ring/cog combo that I use probably less than 1% of the time. I just live 
>> with it.
>>
>> --Eric N
>>
>> On Feb 24, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Jim Whorton  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Hi--
>>
>> I have noticed on my Clem that the chain rubs the rear tire slightly when 
>> the bike is in lowest gear (small ring in front, big cog in back).  It's a 
>> 59cm Clem H, which I bought complete, so the bottom bracket, etc are as 
>> installed by Riv.  The tire is a 2" Kenda Kwick Nine and the cassette is a 
>> 9 speed.
>>
>> Anybody seen this before, or have advice on it?  I don't see any weird 
>> wear on the side of the tire--and of course I don't use that gear much, 
>> only briefly on a steep incline--so maybe Riv set it up this way 
>> deliberately, rather than going with a wider BB to avoid the rub in that 
>> gear.
>>
>> So maybe it's not a big deal.  On the other hand, I'd rather not have the 
>> chain rubbing the tire
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
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>> .
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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv Waterford All Rounder, '97-ish

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Joe - I sent you a P/M but it could have gotten lost in the ether ...

Two quick questions:

1. What's the widest tire that thing will run and/or what's the width on 
the knobbies you're showing in the pics?
2. What's the stand over height?

many thanks / jsk 

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 11:11:30 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yep, I'm turning this one around. My 26-er Clem L turned out to meet my 
> needs better and I have a custom on the way which will fill the AR's spot. 
> Your turn to ride it! 
>
> 52cm ST
> 54.5 cm TT
>
> Very dark metallic blue, almost black.
> There's an owner name on the toptube. It came to me with pieces of black 
> electrical tape covering it, which actually blends in pretty well with the 
> color. Not perfect, of course, but it's a vintage frame with its share of 
> minor beausage so I quickly forgot about it. YRMV. 
>
> Selling as you see here as a frankenbuild, you should consider it a 
> functioning bicycle ready for you to put all your cool stuff on. 
>
> ChocoMoose bars
> Ritchey post
>
> Shimano cantis, no model name, it's the ones Riv used to sell, I think 
> they called them "Ultegra level" and put them on ARs and LongLows.
>
> Vuelta wheels off an mtb I had, not particularly pretty but they go round 
> in circles
> 8-speed era XT rear derailer
> Microshift fd
> 9-speed SRAM 11-4O cassette. That derailer won't climb it, I probably have 
> another cassette I can swap in. Or take it as is and put a modern derailer 
> on it. 
>
> That shorty crank (152, I love short cranks) is coming off, I have a nice 
> black Sugino 165 34-46 double to swap in.
>  
> Shimano bar-end on Paul Thumbie for the front. Rear is locked out, it's 
> just a short piece of cable holding the mech in place, I only shift the 
> front cuz it spares my bad right wrist and it works and I like it. You'll 
> need a rear shifter. 
> Tektro thin-blade brake levers, Ergon grips. 
> Tubus stainless rack. Can't remember the model but a lister just sold it 
> to me and it's nifty. 
> No saddle or pedals. 
>
>
> $2000 + shipping or best offer or maybe you have a Brompton to throw in 
> the deal cuz I don't have one right now and hey who doesn't like Bromptons? 
>
> Email or text for way more pics and questions and general back-and-forth 
> about bikes and parts and whatnot,
> joeremi62 gmail com
> 415 786 4623
>
> Thanks,
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot limits

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm 99.9% sure you can't fit 47's and fenders on a Chev ... so that leaves 
you in the 42 / 1.75 tire with fenders category. We're running Hetres and 
V/O Snakeskin fenders (and those are technically only 50 but it's working) 
on a 55. I could probably scare up a few pics of the fit if you're 
interested



On Monday, November 4, 2019 at 1:48:30 PM UTC-5, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Over the weekend I took advantage of Riv's Halloween promotion and ordered 
> up a Cheviot for my wife. Right now she's riding an undersized Salsa 
> Casseroll with Panaracer Pasela 32s, and I'd like to provide her with a 
> plusher ride similar to my Hunq wth Big Bens (she prefers a step-through 
> frame though, so a Hunq is out). We live in the PNW so fenders are 
> non-negotiable. When I talked to the nice man at Riv over the weekend he 
> suggested something no wider than a 40, but that seems a little 
> conservative to me. I'd be curious to know what tires other Cheviot riders 
> are using. Could I make a Little Big Ben work without too much hassle? On a 
> related note, any thoughts on what brakes provide the most clearance? I'd 
> like to use the Paul centerpulls, but are the Dia-Compes going to do a 
> better job of accommodating fenders and a fattish tire?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good point on the height. The thought of needing step ladder and an 
articulated rear rack for bikes makes me crazy. 

I checked with VW, btw. The Passat has already been discontinued. I should 
also note that both Audi and BMW still offer their full size wagons to the 
European markets. Heck, even Mercedes Benz offers *three* engine packages 
to the Canadian market for their E450 wagon.

We're nutty here in the USA.

On Thursday, October 31, 2019 at 8:41:48 AM UTC-4, David Bivins wrote:
>
> Hear hear on station wagons. When our son was born 11 years ago, I did the 
> research and ended up choosing a used 2004 VW Passat Wagon. It has a 
> ridiculous amount of cargo space. My Clem slides in fairly easily with the 
> rear seats down, and I also bring my Clem to my VW mechanic's when I need 
> to leave the car for service. It's just such a practical vehicle. 
> Apparently it has some sort of cachet with the young folks, too. I was 
> outside near my car one day recently (we park on the street in Brooklyn) 
> and there was a trio of stylish young men admiring the car. I went to open 
> the door and one of them said "Is this your car? Nice. 2004, right?" 
> They all nodded their approval. It made me feel better about the "beausage" 
> which is more like "abusage" that the body's taken from being on the street 
> all these years.
>
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 8:01 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make 
>> it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The 
>> only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats 
>> folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I 
>> have to use the roof rack.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A Lesson: When buying a vehicle that will transport a Clem, measure twice and buy once.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Personally, I LOVE station wagons  and I think, cool is what you make 
it. We've been in various V-Series Volvo wagons for the past 22 years. The 
only bike that doesn't slide in whole into the back with the rear seats 
folded down is my wife's ridiculously long Cheviot. For that land yacht, I 
have to use the roof rack.

It's new car time in our house though ... the current (2007) wagon is 
getting the boot and currently there's bit of a debate as to whether we're 
going to switch brands before we're both rolling around in wheelchairs! I 
don't see a minivan in our future, though (my ego might be too fragile for 
that) but I also couldn't be less enthused when looking at the current crop 
of "crossover" SUV's. Most, as noted here already aren't any bigger than 
our wagons ... most, in fact, are smaller! Unfortunately, true full size 
wagons are few and far between here in the USA these days.

I also haven't had a car without a roof rack in over 25 years now. 
Practically everything ends up on top at some point: paddle boards, 
sailboats, skis, bikes, furniture, and of course, christmas trees. I find 
it funny that most car salesmen aren't prepared for our questions about 
what will fit and where ... it seems like a lot of folks buy those big ol' 
SUV's and drive 'em around full of air 

On Tuesday, October 29, 2019 at 10:33:51 PM UTC-4, LeRoy wrote:
>
> When I bought my Clem 59 in the Spring of 2018, I carried it back from New 
> Jersey to Michigan *inside* a very sub-compact Jeep Renegade, along with 
> three guys and enough luggage and gear for a long weekend. Granted, the 
> Clem was reduced to its smallest sub-units: frame, wheels, handlebar, 
> fenders, seat, racks, etc. But it all fit. Inside. And so did three grown 
> men + gear. This was all fine for a one-time transport but not conducive to 
> regularly carting the Clem around.
> Earlier this year, I did a trial fit of the Clem in my wife's somewhat 
> bigger Jeep Compass. With the bike's front wheel removed and the car's 
> front passenger seat all the way forward, the Clem was a *very* tight 
> fit. Still indoors, but human occupancy in the front passenger seat wasn't 
> going to happen. The result was one person and one bike safely on board. 
> Clearly, I needed a bigger vehicle.
> So, as I shopped for a replacement for the Renegade, I figured that moving 
> up the Jeep food chain one notch - to the Cherokee model - would result in 
> a better Clem-fit. Nope. Who would have thunk that the 
> bigger-on-the-outside Cherokee was actually smaller-on-the-inside? It would 
> *barely* accommodate the Clem! The bike fits less well in the Cherokee 
> than the Compass. It's certainly more difficult to load and unload. Of 
> course, discovering this occurred *after* leasing the new Cherokee.
> The lesson is, apparently, to take one's bike along when car-shopping. Or 
> bring the test ride home long enough to test-fit the bike. Or, to borrow 
> from the old carpenter's adage, measure twice, buy once.
> Other than that, I really like both the Clem and the new Cherokee. But the 
> end result is that the Jeep will be getting a trailer hitch and the Clem 
> will be riding outdoors, on the back of the Cherokee.
> Anyone else run into a similar doesn't-quite-fit dilemma? ...or have a 
> clever solution that hasn't occurred to me?
>

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Re: [RBW] A Genuine Pretend Anniversary Mixte

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

wowza, that is a special rig at a completely reasonable price (!)

On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 9:38:00 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I think all the models you mention with extra seat stays going to the rear 
> dropout are considered "actual" mixtes. (See Sheldon Brown 
> *:.) I've always been curious 
> about the etymology of this word as used to describe bicycles. In most 
> translations, it is used in the sense of "unisex" or co-educational. Also 
> dual purpose or hybrid, or combined. The English words "dual" , "twin" and 
> "double" all translate as "double" in French. I guess you could translate 
> it as a "mix of two steel tubes" but almost all uses of mixte, or the 
> French phrase "structure mixte" refer to the mixing of two different 
> things--concrete and cement, passengers and cargo, boys and girls. A 
> cuisinière mixte can use two different fuels. 
>
> Years ago I came across a taxonomy chart of bicycle frame styles. I can no 
> longer find it. But I do recall the mixte being defined as Sheldon does, 
> the three seat stays, with two top tube variants, the single and double. A 
> bike with the top tube angled toward the rear dropouts but with no extra 
> seat stays was called, I believe, a Ladies Sport frame. Of course this 
> definition would tend to negate the notion that "mixte" refers to  a unisex 
> coed style. So who knows. I'm going with "mixte' became a popular way for 
> the public (mostly in France) to refer to this style of frame that could 
> easily be ridden by both sexes, and that is what it became.  But one known 
> known is that a Clem L is a step through, and a mixte is not, anniversary 
> edition or otherwise.
>
> Speaking of custom mixtes, Lovely Bicycle/aka Veloria/aka Constance's old 
> Royal mixte 
> 
>  
> has been for sale on eBay for some time. Not a Leah approved colorway, 
> however. Also  different geo than a Rivendel mixte. 
> Explained here: 
> http://lovelybike.blogspot.com/2010/11/mixte-vs-mixte-whats-difference.html
>
> * A style of lady's  
> frame in which the "top tube 
> " consists of a 
> pair of small diameter tubes running more-or-less straight from the upper 
> head lug , past the seat 
> tube , and on to 
> the rear fork ends . 
> A mixte frame thus has 3 sets of rear stays, instead of the usual two. A 
> variant on the mixte uses a single, full sized top tube running from the 
> upper head tube to the seat tube, but retains the middle set of stays. A 
> lady's type bike that lacks the middle pair of stays is not a mixte.
>
>
> On Monday, September 30, 2019 at 3:07:34 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>> What makes the Anniversary Mixte special is that it is an actual Mixte 
>> with twin top tubes. As far as I know, this would be a first for a 
>> non-custom Rivendell. I have a Betty Foy (now claimed by my wife - she 
>> loves the hearts in the lugs and the paint), a Clementine, a Roscoe 
>> Bubbe Medium Mountain Mixte, and am waiting on the Roscoe Baby and not one 
>> of them is an actual Mixte.
>> formerly from Gainesville, FL, soon to be from Delray Beach, FL
>>
>>



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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

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Yep Mark -- perfectly stated and well understood. And yet, we fawn all over 
the simple Grant appointed 26" wide clearance level top tube model when it 
shows up. It feels like an ethos thing to me. I realize that the Atlantis 
got the nod for it ... but clearly, the All Rounder (and even the Hunq) 
still tug at the heart strings around here. 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2019 at 8:34:51 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> More than half the Riv lineup consists of all-rounders in various 
> configurations, including the Atlantis in 26" for many years. I would say 
> these bikes represent the design evolution of the all-rounder as 
> interpreted by G. Petersen.
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2019, 7:37 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place 
>> in the line up. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, 
>>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
>>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
>>> anymore. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
>>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
>>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
>>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.  
>>>
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[RBW] Re: All Rounder

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've never understood why the All-Rounder doesn't have a permanent place in 
the line up. 

On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 2:32:36 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, and 
> before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
> anymore. 
>
> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA.  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB -- BOBish bike. And -- thoughts on this Romlus FS?

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Like Kai says: the Jumble is worth a look. On the other hand - that's not a 
terrible deal for a canti 700c all-roadish bike that appears to fit 35's. 
Also considering that it's a Riv and may likely have that silky-magic Riv 
feel. Anyone know max tire size on a Rom? If it fits 38's then I might not 
hesitate.

On Sunday, August 25, 2019 at 8:09:17 PM UTC-4, Conor Skelding wrote:
>
> New to the list, and very grateful to have found my way to the 
> BOB/Riv/unracer subculture. Short tours and commutes and rides for errands 
> have been how I've biked since I was a kid, and it was welcome to see this 
> all expressed as a coherent ideology..
>
> I've had my 2008 Jamis Aurora (cromoly steel) touring bike since that 
> year, and am now looking for a new (to me) bike.
>
> If anyone is looking to sell a BOBish bike, in New York City or the 
> region, please let me know. I'm not looking for the perfect RB-1 at this 
> point in my life. Missed the bike boom by a few years, and am looking for a 
> venerable steel frame from the 70s-90s. Projects welcome.
>
> Saw this listing on local CL. Thoughts?
>
>
> https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-rivendell-romulus-cantilever/6960747507.html
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Nitto Basket Rack

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Is that $250.00 the firm moving forward price, I wonder? 

>From my perspective the addition of a traditional tombstone would make this 
rack way more versatile -- but that's my running complaint about a lot of 
platform racks on the market today. I get the need for a back stop when 
attaching a basket ...  but why negate the usefulness of a tombstone as 
well for anyone looking to run a traditionally configured handlebar bag as 
an option?


On Thursday, August 15, 2019 at 1:03:25 AM UTC-4, Drw wrote:
>
> 250$ was a bit of a letdown for me. There are a lot of racks that have 
> come about to fill this niche in the last couple years, and it’s hard for 
> me to fully grasp how this one is so much better to justify an additional 
> 100$. 
>
> A 3 bar pass and stow costs only 30$ more and is essentially a USA made 
> custom rack with pannier capability. 

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Re: [RBW] First Rivendell — sizing question

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

You'd have to work pretty damn hard to get either of those three models 
anywhere near 18lbs and fitted for practical commuting. I'd wager it's 
impossible, actually .. and anyway, that's not the Riv ethos. The Sam or 
Homer with fenders, at least one rack and a basket and a full compliment of 
mid to upper tier parts: drive train, cockpit, rim, hubs, tires, etc. is at 
best going to run 25 lbs (+) minimum. Nothing wrong with that ... but by 
minimum I mean closer to 28 to 30 in real world weight.

On Wednesday, June 5, 2019 at 5:07:40 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> "Racy?"  Surely not "racist."  
> On 6/5/19 4:56 PM, Fullylugged wrote:
>
>  A racist build will be down to 18 lbs or so. 
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: In praise of Silver Shifters

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What Pam Bikes said, except the opposite: if anyone is looking to sell a 
pair of Shimano 9 speed bar end shifters (Ultegra or Dura Ace) then I'm 
'yer man. Just let me know!

On Thursday, May 9, 2019 at 12:02:26 AM UTC-4, Pam Bikes wrote:
>
> If you still have them, I'll buy them as a back up.
>
>
> On Saturday, April 27, 2019 at 9:25:31 AM UTC-4, William! wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I got a bad set? I had terrible ghost shifting problems from mine! 
>> After several years of fiddling with other things to try to fix I replaced 
>> them with Dura Ace dt shifters (converted to bar end). Problem solved.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Lookie at my new to me Saluki!

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a good one, alright: great color AND canti bosses!

On Wednesday, May 8, 2019 at 7:56:50 PM UTC-4, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> Received this beautiful Saluki today. My favorite frame that Rivendell has 
> produced and I'm so thankful to have this canti Saluki. I love the setup 
> for kid hauling and family cruises. I intend on adding a few things like 
> fenders and a dynamo but other than that, I think it's perfect for what I 
> was looking for. It's serial # is SA0013, lucky 13! I'll take some time 
> this weekend to take nice pictures if the weather cooperates. 
>
> Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

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Patrick -- ha! I like your thinking ... but the OP was asking about cockpit 
swaps (!)

On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 2:17:18 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Let me elucidate. You can buy a very reliable used car for $10K. The 
> average new car cost in 2018 was $35K, per a quick Google (vi). If you 
> shell out for 3 new Rivs at $4K/each -- you get the picture. And $4K is 
> pretty generous.
>
> Where do all the deep pockets come from? That's 1 answer.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:51 AM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> The deep pockets come from driving old cars no more miles than necessary. 
>> With 3 bikes (+ folder/beater) I drive -- what, 1K miles/year?. Even paying 
>> for gas and insurance (!) and repairs on an old car that I basically let my 
>> 17 year old daughter use, I have plenty $ left over for bike stuff.
>>
>> Even if I worked (as I did until 2008; since then I've worked for myself) 
>> 15 miles diagonally across town (I commuted by bike at least 1/2 the time) 
>> saves enough, easily, for 3 real bikes.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 10:13 AM 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>>
>>> An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out 
>>> and provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube 
>>> shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another 
>>> bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???
>>>
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Quick cockpit swap (say that 10x fast)

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An Atlantis is a perfect candidate for a drop/upright easy switch-out and 
provided yours has DT shifter bosses (and you're OK using down tube 
shifters) then Shoji and Benz have it right. Seriously folks -- buy another 
bike (?) where did all the deep pockets come from???


On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 11:34:02 AM UTC-4, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2019 at 7:47:54 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>>
>> On my Hunqapillar, it was easy to unclip the canti-straddle cable. Set 
>> the brake cable lengths on multiple cockpits to-be at the same straddle 
>> heights, and there's little adjustment necessary. 
>>
>> Easiest would be to set up down-tube shifters. If that's not to your 
>> liking, then thumbies with hinged bands work. I used a right-side bar end, 
>> which meant that I had to undo it/redo it. Afterward, I got cable 
>> splitters, which worked great. However, it meant having doubles of bar 
>> ends, downtube cable stops, etc.
>>
>
> I did the same as Shoji with my Atlantis – downtube shifters, stem, 
> handlebar and brake levers shod with full-length brake cables terminated 
> with straddle cable hangers. Once set up, the swap is quick and fuss-free. 
> It is so easy that at one time, I had three cockpits for my Atlantis: 
> dropbar, Bosco, and mustache. The only thing to transfer over is the Cateye 
> computer.
>
> I have an S bike that had cable splitters. I didn't like them as 
> they were noisy over semi-rough terrain and somewhat of an eyesore (and you 
> need four).
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus, Susie, or Wolbis?

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Ah, but -- Bill Lindsay: Chev's did have two spellings of the same name on 
the same model ... so there's that.

RBW Owners Bunch 

On Friday, April 5, 2019 at 1:22:57 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "I thought there were both h and l Clem’s." 
>
> Eventually. They started with "his and hers" names, then I think somebody 
> gave Grant some grief about it. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv MUSA Rain Pants, size M - $50 shipped.

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great offer, Elton. I wore thin a small pair of these and just sayin' to 
*anyone* who's reading along here: I'll happily pay solid $$$ for a small 
pair in good condition that might just be growing hair in your bikey cloths 
drawer not being used ...


On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 8:30:41 AM UTC-5, Elton Pope-Lance wrote:
>
> These are too warm for Florida, so they have to go!  Be dry, visible, and 
> warm!
>
> Worn only twice.  No tears or visible wear.  Some small grease spots on 
> left knee and right cuff.  Slightly soiled seat from Brooks B17. See photos.
>
>
>
> Please contact off list if interested.
>
> Elton Pope-Lance
> Vero Beach, FL
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Race Report from Norcal High School Mountain Bike Racing League

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(approve)

On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 6:27:16 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> This is not as off-topic as you may think.  Grant is deeply interested in 
> how my team is doing.  
>
> As many of you know, I'm an assistant coach, ride leader and team mechanic 
> for El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing.  Many of you have donated 
> to our team one way or another.  We race in Norcal, Southern Division.  You 
> may remember that our league has been dominated for years by Salinas High 
> School.  They've won every D1 team competition at every league race for 6+ 
> years.  Last season, ECHS has something go wrong in every race and in every 
> race we came in 2nd place to Salinas.  We knew we could beat them, and in 
> California State Championships we had a perfect day and destroyed Salinas, 
> placing 2nd in the State of California behind Sir Francis Drake High School 
> in Marin County. 
>
> For 2019 we had everyone back and we expect to take League this year.  We 
> are certain we can beat Salinas; our only fear is that Berkeley might rise 
> up as well.  We've got 25 racers to Salinas ~35, and Berkeley's ~90 
> racers.  Yesterday was the first League Race and we did it.  We took the D1 
> team competition by a fair margin over Berkeley, with Salinas placing 
> third.  The day goes down as one of my proudest cycling accomplishments, 
> even though I didn't ride.  Interestingly, the team was pretty subdued 
> about it.  Everyone could have done better and everyone is pretty focused 
> to keep improving.  We didn't actually win any of the individual races, so 
> every rider has room to move up.  
>
> Other Riv content: our Gaucho mascot logo is wearing a green bandanna, so 
> I cleaned out Rivendell of their green bandannas and handed them out to the 
> racers to wear on the podium.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: SRAM Bar End Shifters, my favorite lever

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good to know, man -- I might be heading back towards a bar end setup after 
winter and am perfectly happy indexing 10 sp drive trains these days.

On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 6:29:37 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> I don't hear them mentioned on here much.  Maybe because they're 
> 10-speed..  But I really like the lever shape on the SRAM S-500, very comfy 
> and the color's good.  Didn't put them on my roadini because it was a 
> 9-speed build.
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Wavie Bar Photos

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I like the "idea" of this bar and have been toying with pulling the trigger 
on a MAP/Ahearne. I did just set up a Billie to replace a Choco Norm on my 
daily ride ... but again, I keep thinking about those MAP's. I've tried 
other bars with that shape but haven't been pleased as they're usually too 
shallow in the return. I do like the return (or sweep) angles of Alba's, 
Choco's and the new Billie even though I find myself riding towards the 
front of those bars the majority of the time (it's really the super slow 
times and weird tight NYC traffic traversing where the upright full sweep 
does come in handy for me).  

So that said, using the incredibly helpful whatbars.com I've come to think 
that the new Velo Orange Curvy One bar looks possibly like an even a better 
fit for me than the MAP. And since RIV is working closely with whatbars.com 
now I suspect that they'll forward a drawing of the Wavie to them soon 
enough to make a comparison.

My main hesitation with the V/O bar is that 31.8 clamp! I mean, really ... 
well, that and the fact that all of these bars at 610 to 660 are getting 
pretty darn wide for a city boy -- and I used to think Alba's were wide for 
gawds sake.

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:
>
>
> After hearing about the upcoming Wavie handlebars from Bill Lindsay in this 
> post 
> , I 
> took his suggestion to ask Riv if they would send some photos ahead of the 
> catalog arrival. Vince came through, and also mentioned that the bars are 
> 66 cm wide with a 25.4 mm diameter at the clamp, and they should arrive at 
> Rivendell next month in their Nitto shipment. So (with Vince's permission), 
> here they are. They look great!
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> Bob E
>
> Cranford, New Jersey
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 55cm Cheviot for sale in Sacramento area

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*Selling my Rivendell Cheviot mixte bike. It's in excellent condition; my 
wife used it a few times before she bought a Cheviot of her own (she needed 
a size smaller).*
Seems crystal clear to the point of maybe even too much information 
necessary -- to me, anyway ...

On Sunday, October 21, 2018 at 9:04:19 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What does "my wife used it a few times before buying her own" mean? Did he 
> ride it, too, or no? Also, why is one tire red and why does he think a 
> 9-speed bike is 10? That's a weird ad. 

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Re: [RBW] Got a SP hub! Works good.

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I run an I-XQ and Son Deluxe Wide Body on my daily ride here in NYC. 
Considering how many riders use blinking lights in my town the second or 
two of flicker at spin up almost makes me feel like one of the regulars! 
And I say spin up because it never flickers at normal rolling speed, which, 
often isn't all that fast  as I thread my way through traffic and bike path 
congestion, etc it flickers a little at walking speed too, but that's 
not an issue for me either.

On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> As I commuted home tonight I was wondering why in 2018 they can’t invent 
> dyno lights that don’t flicker.

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[RBW] Re: Nutmeg Nor'Easter

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I'm on the fence but hoping ... won't camp though

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 12:09:37 PM UTC-4, Alex Wirth- Owner, 
Yellow Haus Bicycles wrote:
>
> Awesome!  Cool to see so many people make it out...
>
> I'll be camping, but Saturday only.  Friday I will visit friends in New 
> Haven and revel in a solo hotel stay 
>
> Alex Wirth
> Rochester, NY
>
>
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 12:01:39 PM UTC-4, chris feczko wrote:
>>
>> Also,
>>
>> Just wondering who all is camping here? I have a feeling there will be a 
>> fairly large turnout this year.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> Sunnyside, NY
>>
>> On Thursday, 18 October 2018 11:58:28 UTC-4, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>> See you there! But my Riv isn’t making the trek. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Frankendini

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Sale proof ... I wish I'd thought of that (!)

On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 3:17:51 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> One benefit is it's sale proof. I have a tendency to sell bikes after not 
> too long, but who would buy this?? 

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[RBW] Re: Frankendini

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Properly hideous (!)

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 5:30:27 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's an update/finished build on my Sparkly Orange Roadini, which 
> answers the question, "What if you intentionally oversized a dropbar bike 
> for flatbars?" I think Will @ Riv will like it, he's into putting the 
> "wrong" parts on a bike. 
>
> I had picked up an old Bianchi Project 5 with a Softride suspension stem, 
> but the bars were too low on that bike. Then it dawned me that the stem 
> would work just dandy on my Leo, so here ya go!
>
> Riser bar, XTR 9-speed shifter someone here sold me, Suntour dt for the 
> front, NOS Dia-Compe levers, Ergon grips, old Sakae cranks and BB from an 
> RB-T, NOS Shimano RX100 fd (from France!), NOS Deore LX rd (Japan!), 
> Mavic/105 wheels, 11-34 XT cassette, Jack Browns, MKS Touring pedals, 
> Woody's Chop Chort fenders with huge gaps that are different front and 
> back..Grant won't even be able to look at those fender lines!
>
> It's a fun bike with almost no standover, but here's an amusing thing I 
> discovered: When I first come to a stop and throw a leg over to hop off, 
> the suspension is slightly compressed..instant standover clearance! Check 
> it out. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Bba3J2TpJE8sEaBh9
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

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I see that now -- I didn't bother to click the link because I'd just to 
Crust in August and Matt didn't mention a new rack coming (he's sneaky like 
that, I guess). That one is interesting but wouldn't have worked for me 
anyway as I'm running brazed on CP rim brakes and they tend to block 
forward access to the center hole on the crown.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 9:57:57 AM UTC-4, David B wrote:

The rack that Keith linked to is a new rack that Crust is offering. Not the 
> one with lowrider attachments.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 5:57:26 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> I like that Crust Rack exactly because it doesn't have a diving board 
>> (and I like the platform size for the basket, too). The Crust works off a 
>> pretty smart "truss" or bracket that attaches to the center hole on a fork 
>> crown. That bracket is quite beefy and spreads the load outward similar to 
>> a fork with attachment points on top of the crown on either side of the 
>> head tube. I was able to run the bracket behind a set of Mafac Raids, even. 
>> It's a solid rack but not overly heavy -- the stainless steel struts are 
>> heavy gauge hollow tubing with nicely welded attachment points -- and the 
>> hardware is top notch. The platform has plenty of attachment points as well 
>> for lights and/or lowrider racks. And the 4 struts ought to make anyone 
>> paranoid about rack failure feel safe, too. I'm not totally crazy about the 
>> industrial / "erector set" aesthetic overall but it works with the build 
>> style of the particular bike I have it on now.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:47:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Huh.  Maybe this is old news, but i just saw this crust rack, yet 
>>> another "mini platform," for the first time.  Doesn't have the diving 
>>> board, but it looks like it would work with many canti-style riv forks.
>>>
>>> https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

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I like that Crust Rack exactly because it doesn't have a diving board (and 
I like the platform size for the basket, too). The Crust works off a pretty 
smart "truss" or bracket that attaches to the center hole on a fork crown. 
That bracket is quite beefy and spreads the load outward similar to a fork 
with attachment points on top of the crown on either side of the head tube. 
I was able to run the bracket behind a set of Mafac Raids, even. It's a 
solid rack but not overly heavy -- the stainless steel struts are heavy 
gauge hollow tubing with nicely welded attachment points -- and the 
hardware is top notch. The platform has plenty of attachment points as well 
for lights and/or lowrider racks. And the 4 struts ought to make anyone 
paranoid about rack failure feel safe, too. I'm not totally crazy about the 
industrial / "erector set" aesthetic overall but it works with the build 
style of the particular bike I have it on now.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 12:47:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Huh.  Maybe this is old news, but i just saw this crust rack, yet another 
> "mini platform," for the first time.  Doesn't have the diving board, but it 
> looks like it would work with many canti-style riv forks.
>
> https://crustbikes.com/products/small-rack/
>

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

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We went with a Fairdale Weekender Archer when my son hit 5' 1" or so -- the 
Adult small size was designed around 27.5 (650b) wheels and with it's 
sloping top tube was a perfect "grow into" size. We never did install racks 
or fenders but there were plenty of attachment points on the fork and seat 
stays as well as both drop outs. Of course, he grew 4" that year and 
another 3" the next and already it's too small(ish). He's also going on 14 
and pretty much only riding in the summer anymore ... sigh. I'm betting I 
can switch out the stem and maybe do a bar swap of some sort and he'll eek 
out another summer on it  but then he'll likely have outgrown my bikes 
as well since he's already at least 1/2" taller than me!


On Wednesday, October 3, 2018 at 1:07:24 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> Well, Islabikes announced yesterday afternoon they are shutting the doors 
> to the US office in Portland. The bikes and gear are all discounted and I 
> was so excited to get my hands on the Beinn 27 for my 7th grader. Alas, 
> they are SOLD OUT. As of now, the UK headquarters does not and will not 
> ship to US. There are 3 companies Islabikes recommended: Woom, Cleary and 
> Prevelo. None have a nice commuter option like Islabikes did. I'm so, so 
> disappointed.
>
> Do any of you have a recommendation for a bike to fit a 12.5 year old? I 
> see that the major bike companies offer only adult sizes at this point. I 
> want something that will take a rack so we can do our school commute. He 
> currently rides a Specialized Hot Rock 24 incher that he's had since FIRST 
> GRADE. It's been a wonderful bike. My younger son rides a little Islabike 
> and needs to size up, so that Specialized is going to be his. Thanks in 
> advance for your help - and if you need a great kid bike at a discount, 
> maybe Islabikes will still have the size you need.
>

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[RBW] Re: Help with fenders

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Shoji's links are spot on -- I'd say grab a coffee (or a beer) and read 
through them. Getting your hands on the JP Weigel / BQ article would be 
very helpful as well. 

My 2 cents: I'd suggest a sharp awl as opposed to drilling. Alu fenders are 
super soft and a small round file will remove the burr from the awl easily 
enough.


On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:17:34 AM UTC-4, nemom...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I just bought a set of SIMWORKS Honjo 62mm fenders for my Joe Appaloosa - 
> they did not come with any instructions and the parts tags were in 
> Japanese. While I have watched one (the only one I could find) video 
> regarding the installation which looks pretty extensive, I do have some 
> questions if someone has experience with these. Here goes . . .
>
> 1. Drilling the tiny holes for the hardware in aluminum - does that 
> require a special bit? and what would be the best approach to get a clean 
> drill hole result? 
> 2. I have tektro cantilever brakes CR720 on the bike and the brake cable 
> tip rubs on the fender when I put it over the wheel. I don't have much room 
> to cut shorter - and really am 
> new to the cantilever brake system even though i recently replaced the 
> cable hardware as it had rusted. I can lengthen the arch wire so that the 
> brake cable wire may go higher - not sure but wanted to ask before I tore 
> it apart again.
> 3. I'm also looking at the Paul brakes as a replacement but couldn't find 
> any substantive video on whether these would be ok with the fenders - the 
> cantilever touring brakes - any thoughts on this as well would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Guess that's it - hope this works in getting out there. Thanks, D
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fil Processing

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Awesome -- just shoot me a DM when you're ready / jsk


On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 3:52:19 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> I’ll send you a roll soon.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
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>
> On Oct 1, 2018, at 12:16 PM, 'jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Eric:
>
> $8.00 per roll to process  plus $12.00 for full roll scans. We send scans 
> via WeTransfer link.
> Shipping is on you but we'll hold negatives for a bulk return every month 
> or two so you dopn't have to pay back and forth every time you send 
> something in.
> -20% discount for RBW list members (DM me to confirm)
>
> On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Jeffrey:
>>
>> What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color 
>> (c-41) or BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you 
>> upload the scans, or do you just put them on CD?
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> --Eric Norris
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>> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
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[RBW] Re: Fil Processing

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Eric:

$8.00 per roll to process  plus $12.00 for full roll scans. We send scans 
via WeTransfer link.
Shipping is on you but we'll hold negatives for a bulk return every month 
or two so you dopn't have to pay back and forth every time you send 
something in.
-20% discount for RBW list members (DM me to confirm)

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 2:03:54 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Jeffrey:
>
> What would you charge to process and scan (no prints) a roll or color 
> (c-41) or BW film? Would it be $8 + $13 (for “prints or CD”)? Can you 
> upload the scans, or do you just put them on CD?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
>
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[RBW] Re: Film Processing

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I run a lab in NYC:

LTI-Lightside (www.lti-lightside.com)

We run a lot of C-41 and B+W film, daily -- we no longer handle E-6, 
though. I've looked through the Darkroom.com site and give them a thumbs up 
for going after the mail-in market. I think the Riv guys use them and I'm 
guessing they do a good job -- and their prices are good, too. I'm not 
normally in the habit of praising my competitors (but we're really not in 
the same market) -- and I haven't used their services so can't actually say 
one way or the other but my industry savvy hunch is that they're probably a 
safe-bet and unless you're seeing results that you don't like and can 
attribute it to them. Again, I'd guess that they're probably one of the 
better film processing options out there at this time.

That said -- being a long time reader of this list (and film shooting bike 
nerd)) and knowing that many of you are into photography it's always nagged 
at the back of my mind that I wish I could offer you all services somehow. 
I'd be happy to create discount codes for RGB Owners Bunch readers any time 
(though we don't have those fancy pre-paid mailers like the darkroom.com). 
Please feel free to take a look through our site and notice that all our 
prices are published online, we offer multiple upload to print options and 
have a near ten year deep project archive link detailing our customers work 
in both fine-art and commercial & advertising categories ...

We also have an instagram account (@lti-lightside) and count none other 
than UltraRomance himself as our sole "influencer" ... ha.

Feel free to reach out to me personally if you're interested in anything -- 
and like I said, I'd be happy to offer up some discounts for like-minded 
bikers

jsk




My groups  

On Monday, October 1, 2018 at 11:04:18 AM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Following up on the recent discussion about film processing, I wonder if 
> anyone has advice on mail-in processing labs. I’ve used TheDarkroom.com 
> several 
> times, and they do a very good job processing and scanning my film. Usually 
> takes 6-7 days from putting the film in the mail to getting the scans. No 
> additional charge for black and white.
>
> Anybody using a different lab that you would recommend?
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)
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Re: [RBW] Off or on-topic? Cannabis oil

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Rivendell branded edibles ... now maybe that's something we could all get 
behind (!)

On Tuesday, September 11, 2018 at 4:49:57 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> sniffing* tubular glue*?  now that's something that's definitely on topic.
>
> On 09/11/2018 04:41 PM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I just want a cheap high. Surely that is not outside the group's remit?
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:37 PM, Steve Palincsar  > wrote:
>
>> Certainly, the question is in scope.  It's the oil that's not. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 09/11/2018 04:10 PM, William Henderson wrote:
>>
>>> Surely it is within the domain of a Rivendell group to talk about what 
>>> is within the domain of a Rivendell group. How else is the community able 
>>> to define and enforce its rules?
>>>
>>> William
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2018, at 1:03 PM, Steve Palincsar >>> > wrote:

 Why?  Was it mentioned in a Blagh?  If not, I can't see any reason why 
 it would be.  This list is, after all, about Rivendell, bicycles and 
 bicycling, not about pain relief remedies.  It's only when Grant himself 
 mentions something in one of the Rivendell blogs that it falls under the 
 Rivendell aegis.


 On 09/11/2018 02:18 PM, William! wrote:
> To be clear this topic isn’t about cannabis oil it’s about whether or 
> not cannabis oil is on topic, which clearly it is
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[RBW] Re: The ups and downs of my Clem Smith Jr

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Hey Jim -- I don't know what RD came with the Clem but I can't imagine why 
you couldn't make it work for 9 speed just by working the limit screw 
(and/or B-Screw depending on how wide of a range you wanted). I'm an 
Index-Only guy myself so depending on budget I'd look to Shimano 9 for the 
shifter and any number of inexpensive cassette options to clear that part 
of the problem up.

On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 4:51:21 PM UTC-4, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> The good news about my Clem is that I've been riding it a lot more since I 
> moved.  I now live on a busy 4 lane highway with no shoulders, so I was 
> having to either brave the traffic to get to a side street or trail, or put 
> the bike on the car, which I hate to do if I'm just going out for a fun 
> ride.  I found a gravel path behind my condo complex that goes about a 
> quarter mile to the next cross street to the highway.  From there I can 
> cross the highway and access the regional mixed terrain trail system.  
>
> The shortcut I found has got pretty rough big-ish rocks so I am loath to 
> ride my more roadish Rivendells with their relatively fragile Compass 
> tires.  The Clem though tackles this section with aplumb so I find myself 
> wheeling it out for rides more than my other bikes.  I also find the 
> traction just a little bit better on the pea gravel sections of the 
> regional trails, where the slick Compass tires might kick out a bit going 
> around a corner, the Clem and it's big Kendas track straight and true where 
> I point my wheels.  It just feels a little less squirrely, so to say.
>
> Which is a good segue into what I don't like.  I bought my 65 ClemH 
> complete and one of the things that it came with that I am not super 
> enamored of is the Bosco bars.  This may sound odd since they are 58cm wide 
> (I think) but they feel too narrow and too far back for me.  I feel like I 
> might hit them with my knees when I'm out riding.  I feel I would prefer a 
> bar with less intrusion into my midsection.  I'd also prefer something a 
> little less upright, which I think having a bar that's not so far into my 
> midsection will take care of itself.  It just doesn't feel dialed in the 
> way it is now.
>
> Looking around on Rivendell's website, I like the look of the Billie 
> bars.  I'm just not sure if 58 will be wide enough for my preference.  I'm 
> thinking maybe because they flare out a lot more and much less back than 
> the Boscos, that the 58 might be fine in this form factor.  Truth is my 
> drop bar bikes are only 48cm so having a bar not so far back like the 
> Billie would work I think
>
> Or there is the Aherne+MAP handlebar which is 61.5 cm wide in the wider 
> version.
> https://www.ahearnecycles.com/shop/ahearnemap-handlebar if you're not 
> familar.  I still have some store credit at Rivendell though so this route 
> would cost me more out of pocket.
>
> Anyone tried either of these bars on their Clem?
>
> The other thing I don't like is friction shifting.  Does Microshift or 
> SunRace make an indexed 8 speed thumbie?  I was hoping to re-use the thumb 
> pod and just get the shifter part of it, but I can only find 8 speed in 
> friction.  I could switch to Shimano 8 which would require a different 
> thumb pod or go 9 speed indexed T09 Microshift thumbies which would require 
> a 9 speed cassette and potentially a different derailer.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> -Jim
>
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[RBW] Re: 90 degree stem

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That's a good tip -- I didn't realize what the Dynamic ll (2) was. 

SimWorks has a Nitto in silver or black. It's 25.4 (it's a beauty, too)

https://sim.works/collections/stems-simworks-by-nitto/products/gettin-hungry-stem-lettuce?variant=16532774595

Velo Orange has one with a 31.8 clamp and removable face plate.

https://velo-orange.com/collections/stems/products/quill-stem-with-removable-faceplate-31-8mm



On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 at 12:39:33 PM UTC-4, pb wrote:
>
> Justin, if you cruise the bay looking for Nitto Dynamic II or 2 you'll 
> find 90 degree stems.  Limited choice and standard (short) quills, e.g. 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Dynamic-2-Stem-22-2X120Mm-90-D-25-4Mm-Bar-/192451916066
>
> ~pb
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[RBW] WTB: Handbar -- Albatross, Choco Norm or Soma Oxford

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

(cross Post from internet-bob)

Hey all — I’m looking for an upright swept back 25.4 clamp bar that accepts 
bar end shifters. Either of the three named above would be great for me — 
it’s for a back-up build so I’m open and will consider alternate 
suggestions that fit the bill as well.

Many thanks / jsk (10024 area code)

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[RBW] FS: Nitto B302 North Road Bars

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Hey Eric — what’s the clamp size?

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[RBW] Re: Need 'dark' theme parts recommendations for MIT Atlantis

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SimWorks has a great selection of black parts -- much of it Nitto made

Stem: 
https://www.sim.works/products/gettin-hungry-stem-lettuce?variant=16532774595

Seatpost: 
https://www.sim.works/collections/others-simworks-by-nitto/products/beatnik-post?variant=16532777091

Fenders: https://www.sim.works/collections/fenders-simworks-by-honjo


On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 1:58:18 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> In the process of building MIT Atlantis with black color components.  Got 
> black Cliffhangers with XT black hubs built by Rich this week (it was 
> incredible experience watching his magic!).   I already had Altus RD and 
> Crankset both in black.  Thinking of going with Surly Open bar for the 
> black cockpit.
>
> I need recommendation for the following parts:
>
> * Stem (which would likely go well with Open Bars, preferably the one with 
> no visible welding marks)
> * Seatpost - I'm happy with the shape/set back of the stock seat post. 
>  Need similar one in black, preferably with 2 bolts
> * The rings that go above and below the head tube (don't know what they 
> are called and what's the size)
> * The nut that holds the fork in head tube (may I know its name and size)
> * Spacers (what's the size)
>
> Thank you!
>
> Ash
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[RBW] Re: Thanks Grant

[jeffrey kane]

Matt's reply to the OP wasn't something we haven't seen here before - (*Please 
do not introduce political non “bike” talk on the board)*  - I mean, 
perhaps it could have been more eloquently expressed ...  but if I had to 
guess, it's a sentiment that has been generally agreed with across the 
group. 

Why not let this one go before Jim Edgar has to jump in and remind us all 
that we'd be better off letting it go?

jsk

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 1:40:29 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
> Mattt and d2mini, I respectfully suggest that this is simply a thread 
> thanking Grant for a post on his blog. Clearly you disagree with his 
> sentiment, and have expressed so. Why not leave it at that?
>
> Eamon 
> Seattle 
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[RBW] Re: I'm the best at bad photos - Frank Jones Jr

[jeffrey kane]

What Davey Two Shoes said ...

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 8:29:16 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> It has started. Need to sort out cranks and stem, bars en route..
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/WQl3246iJBqZJ8Ev1
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[RBW] Re: Tektro R559 vs. Dia-Compe 750 centerpulls.

[jeffrey kane]

I've used both on the same bike before. Both worked well enough not to be 
significantly distinguishable in terms of performance. Both are quite easy 
to set up. Personally, I don't like the looks of large caliper brakes so 
settled on CP's as my go to on bikes that offer the clearance.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 at 4:16:48 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Any opinions from those who have used both on the same bike?
> Which do you like better?
>

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[RBW] WTB: Riv MUSA Rain Pants / size small (the orange ones)

[jeffrey kane]

HI all,

I'm looking for a pair of the old Riv MUSA Rain Pants / size small (the 
orange ones) ... mine haven't really been good for rain for years now but I 
love them as a wind and filth barrier for winter commuting. That said, I've 
nearly worn them to tatters and are wondering is anyone has an old pair 
sitting around not getting any use.

lmk/jsk

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Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[jeffrey kane]

Any decent wheel can hop a curb or take an urban pothole here or there, 
really (even lightweight 700c racing wheels). However, I suppose that 
ham-fisted curb BASHING (if that's what you're referring to) would be 
something else altogether, I guess.

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:23:19 PM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> 650b 130 or 135
> Recreational road riding and commuting.
> Would like to spin up faster and see if there will be less sluggishness 
> with a lighter set. Not that anything is wrong or sluggish about what I 
> have now (GB 650b 36 spoke). I just decided that from now on that anytime I 
> need to replace parts it will be with lighter stuff than is on there now, 
> but within the realm of my usefulness/durability needs. The Pacentis are 
> intriguing. Wonder if they can handle regular curb hopping with 42mm tires 
> at 40psi.

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Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[jeffrey kane]

Also via Kirk P:


*The rear hub is spaced for 130mm and is not currently convertable (I'll 
look into that), so I don't know how well that will work for 135mm spaced 
Rivendell frames, but it will work fine for the 132.5mm spaced, Rivendell 
frames. *
jsk

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:26:43 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> The OP didn't specify if he wanted or needed a 135mm OLD rear wheel, but I 
> suspect many readers of this thread have 650B Rivendells, which are almost 
> exclusively 135mm in back.  I did not see whether that Pacenti page 
> specifies rear OLD.  Since it doesn't say, I'm assuming it's probably 
> 130mm.  Is that correct?  Is it convertible?  I think the wheels look 
> splendid. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 10:19:28 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Ever the gentleman, K/P replied quickly and gave his approval to repost 
>> his answers here:
>>
>> I asked:
>>
>> *Am particularly curious about the hubs, are they branded Pacenti? Or if 
>> not, who makes them (they're quite good looking!)? Great call on the 28H.  
>> Lastly, how would you rate the noise level of the rear hub on a scale 
>> running from Shimano quiet to Industry 9 deafening with say, BiTex, White 
>> Ind. and Chris King in between?*
>>
>>
>> He replied:
>>
>> Jeffrey, 
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in our Brevet wheel sets, they really are 
>> fantastic, (imo). 
>>
>> The hubs are branded Pacenti, and are heavily inspired by high flange 
>> Campagnolo Record hubs, for a very "classic" look. 
>>
>> The hubs are really close to White Industries or BiTex; certainly not as 
>> quite as Shimano, but nowhere near as loud as I9 or Hope. 
>>
>> If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Btw, the 
>> wheels do come with rim strips, but not QR skewers, those are sold 
>> separately. 
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>  Kirk A. Pacenti
>>
>> so ... there you go.
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:13:36 PM UTC-5, David Hays wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks. I’ll give that a try when a big thaw finally arrives.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Tim Gavin <tim@littlevillagemag.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> VO recommends adding a couple drops of light oil to the pawls to quiet 
>>> their VO Grand Cru hub.  
>>> I noticed a very significant drop in pawl noise after application.
>>> Phil tenacious oil works great.  Repeat ~quarterly for best results.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:08 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My problem as well. I had Pacenti rims made into wheels locally and 
>>>> picked up classic style VO Gand Cru hubs for them.
>>>> Beautiful but so noisy. People suggested I just keep peddling to stop 
>>>> the noise...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:15 PM, jeffrey kane <jsk_o...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not bugged by the look --- my crankypants problem is that I can't 
>>>> stand noisy/buzzing hubs and the options to avoid them seem to only get 
>>>> slimmer and slimmer. I think I'll send Pacenti and e-mail and see what 
>>>> they 
>>>> say ...
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what they are either, but I dislike the look :/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can 
>>>>>> give a super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear 
>>>>>> to 
>>>>>> me what hubs those are. Does anyone know?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:06:01 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably something like this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://pacenticycledesign.com/products/brevet-wheel-set-27-5-650b-rim-brake-11speed-shimano
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Though if you wanted to get truly silly you could buy A23 rims in 36 
>>>>>>> hole, build them up skipping every other hole with only 18 spokes, and 
>>>>>>> use 
>>>>>>> one of the ridiculous-light hubset

Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[jeffrey kane]

Ever the gentleman, K/P replied quickly and gave his approval to repost his 
answers here:

I asked:

*Am particularly curious about the hubs, are they branded Pacenti? Or if not, 
who makes them (they're quite good looking!)? Great call on the 28H.  Lastly, 
how would you rate the noise level of the rear hub on a scale running from 
Shimano quiet to Industry 9 deafening with say, BiTex, White Ind. and Chris 
King in between?*


He replied:

Jeffrey, 

Thank you for your interest in our Brevet wheel sets, they really are 
fantastic, (imo). 

The hubs are branded Pacenti, and are heavily inspired by high flange 
Campagnolo Record hubs, for a very "classic" look. 

The hubs are really close to White Industries or BiTex; certainly not as 
quite as Shimano, but nowhere near as loud as I9 or Hope. 

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask. Btw, the wheels 
do come with rim strips, but not QR skewers, those are sold separately. 

Best regards,

 Kirk A. Pacenti

so ... there you go.


On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 1:13:36 PM UTC-5, David Hays wrote:
>
> Thanks. I’ll give that a try when a big thaw finally arrives.
>
>
> On Jan 17, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Tim Gavin <tim@littlevillagemag.com 
> > wrote:
>
> VO recommends adding a couple drops of light oil to the pawls to quiet 
> their VO Grand Cru hub.  
> I noticed a very significant drop in pawl noise after application.
> Phil tenacious oil works great.  Repeat ~quarterly for best results.
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 12:08 PM, David Hays <23wr...@gmail.com 
> > wrote:
>
>> My problem as well. I had Pacenti rims made into wheels locally and 
>> picked up classic style VO Gand Cru hubs for them.
>> Beautiful but so noisy. People suggested I just keep peddling to stop the 
>> noise...
>>
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2018, at 12:15 PM, jeffrey kane <jsk_o...@mac.com 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I'm not bugged by the look --- my crankypants problem is that I can't 
>> stand noisy/buzzing hubs and the options to avoid them seem to only get 
>> slimmer and slimmer. I think I'll send Pacenti and e-mail and see what they 
>> say ...
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure what they are either, but I dislike the look :/
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give 
>>>> a super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear to me 
>>>> what hubs those are. Does anyone know?
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:06:01 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably something like this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://pacenticycledesign.com/products/brevet-wheel-set-27-5-650b-rim-brake-11speed-shimano
>>>>>
>>>>> Though if you wanted to get truly silly you could buy A23 rims in 36 
>>>>> hole, build them up skipping every other hole with only 18 spokes, and 
>>>>> use 
>>>>> one of the ridiculous-light hubsets you could probably get them down to 
>>>>> around 1200 grams without values or rim tape. 
>>>>>
>>>>> They wouldn’t be good for much, but you could do it. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I might be able to provide a more useful answer if you say more about 
>>>>> what you actually plan to use them for. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Reed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:27 PM lum gim fong <john1...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone know what that is these days?
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[jeffrey kane]

I'm not bugged by the look --- my crankypants problem is that I can't stand 
noisy/buzzing hubs and the options to avoid them seem to only get slimmer 
and slimmer. I think I'll send Pacenti and e-mail and see what they say ...

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:58:48 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> Not sure what they are either, but I dislike the look :/
>
> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 9:17:16 AM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give a 
>> super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear to me 
>> what hubs those are. Does anyone know?
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:06:01 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably something like this:
>>>
>>> https://pacenticycledesign.com/products/brevet-wheel-set-27-5-650b-rim-brake-11speed-shimano
>>>
>>> Though if you wanted to get truly silly you could buy A23 rims in 36 
>>> hole, build them up skipping every other hole with only 18 spokes, and use 
>>> one of the ridiculous-light hubsets you could probably get them down to 
>>> around 1200 grams without values or rim tape. 
>>>
>>> They wouldn’t be good for much, but you could do it. 
>>>
>>> I might be able to provide a more useful answer if you say more about 
>>> what you actually plan to use them for. 
>>>
>>>
>>> Reed
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:27 PM lum gim fong <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone know what that is these days?
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Lightest 650b wheelset that can take a 42mm tire?

[jeffrey kane]

Wowza, I doidn't know Pacenti was offering built wheel sets. I can give a 
super-positive thumbs up to the Brevet rim ... but it's not clear to me 
what hubs those are. Does anyone know?

On Wednesday, January 17, 2018 at 2:06:01 AM UTC-5, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> Probably something like this:
>
> https://pacenticycledesign.com/products/brevet-wheel-set-27-5-650b-rim-brake-11speed-shimano
>
> Though if you wanted to get truly silly you could buy A23 rims in 36 hole, 
> build them up skipping every other hole with only 18 spokes, and use one of 
> the ridiculous-light hubsets you could probably get them down to around 
> 1200 grams without values or rim tape. 
>
> They wouldn’t be good for much, but you could do it. 
>
> I might be able to provide a more useful answer if you say more about what 
> you actually plan to use them for. 
>
>
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:27 PM lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what that is these days?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Good New/Bad News on my repaired Atlantis

[jeffrey kane]

Oh (+) 1 on the Paul Moon Units ... it's one of those rare parts you'll 
kick yourself for not having purchased *YEARS* ago after grousing over the 
40 bucks ... as if.

On Saturday, January 6, 2018 at 7:52:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Congrats, John! When I talked with Mark Nobilette he mentioned that 
> checking the alignment may cause paint to flake off, both because of where 
> he had to clamp it and if he needed to shift anything, preparing me for the 
> likely need of a full repaint. A few thoughts: 
>
> — I shifted to Paul canti’s and love them. Well worth it. Don’t forget the 
> moon thingy/hanger. It’s brilliant, simple and makes set-up and adjustment 
> a breeze. Paul designed the simple, humble hanger the way I groused it 
> should be as I tried to adjust them for too many years. They seem pricy ... 
> until they don’t. Grin. 
> — I miss my Hunqapillar. Even though I’ve shifted to riding my Quickbeam 
> for unloaded rides (most of them) and the Hunqapillar for loaded (errands 
> and bikepacking), There is something about riding a mammoth that’s 
> different than riding a fast, sentient treebeastie. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[jeffrey kane]

gawd, those guys are cool...

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw 
> several things that might be of interest to people here.
>
> Frank Jones frames:
> Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them in Kamiuma Store. I believe there 
> are also FJ frames in other 2 stores, but I'm not sure.
> Shop staff said the frames arrived last Saturday, and they have to inspect 
> frames to make sure there's no flaw, so building the bikes and handing them 
> to customers will be in January.
>
>   
>
>
> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
> frame displayed.
> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>
>
>
> Another custom:
> This one is displayed in their Kamiuma Store. Looks like a road-ish frame.
> Staff told me that two custom frames are owned by a customer and are kept 
> by Blue Lug temporarily.
>
>
>
> A Rivvified Toei:
> A beautiful Toei bike with tons of add-ons, resembling Grant's bikes.
> Most Toei owners ride their bikes "clean-and-elegant" style, but the owner 
> of this bike was inspired by Rivendell bikes he saw and made his bike like 
> this.
> Grip King pedals, Boscomoose bars, basket...
> I can easily imagine other Toei owners sneering at this, but I personally 
> think it's great that the owner built a bike in a way that works best for 
> him.
>
>
>
> Hunqasticker:
> Buy some things at Blue Lug, and they will give you a couple of stickers.
> This one obviously is a Hunqapillar.
>
>
>
> Wish you all a happy new year!
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Several things I saw at Blue Lug

[jeffrey kane]

gawd those guys are cool ...

On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 8:24:32 PM UTC-5, Takashi wrote:
>
> Last weekend I visited Blue Lug (a Riv dealer store in Tokyo), and saw 
> several things that might be of interest to people here.
>
> Frank Jones frames:
> Blue Lug has 3 stores, and I saw them in Kamiuma Store. I believe there 
> are also FJ frames in other 2 stores, but I'm not sure.
> Shop staff said the frames arrived last Saturday, and they have to inspect 
> frames to make sure there's no flaw, so building the bikes and handing them 
> to customers will be in January.
>
>   
>
>
> A beautiful Rivendell custom:
> Blue Lug also runs cafe near their Hatagaya Store.
> I was enjoying coffee there when I noticed there was a beautiful custom 
> frame displayed.
> A canti frame with S couplers. It should be ridden, not displayed!
>
>
>
> Another custom:
> This one is displayed in their Kamiuma Store. Looks like a road-ish frame.
> Staff told me that two custom frames are owned by a customer and are kept 
> by Blue Lug temporarily.
>
>
>
> A Rivvified Toei:
> A beautiful Toei bike with tons of add-ons, resembling Grant's bikes.
> Most Toei owners ride their bikes "clean-and-elegant" style, but the owner 
> of this bike was inspired by Rivendell bikes he saw and made his bike like 
> this.
> Grip King pedals, Boscomoose bars, basket...
> I can easily imagine other Toei owners sneering at this, but I personally 
> think it's great that the owner built a bike in a way that works best for 
> him.
>
>
>
> Hunqasticker:
> Buy some things at Blue Lug, and they will give you a couple of stickers.
> This one obviously is a Hunqapillar.
>
>
>
> Wish you all a happy new year!
> Takashi
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My gift to the bunch

[jeffrey kane]

Nice job, Marty -- your work file work is excellent and should print 
beautifully!

I run a photo lab in NYC with a pretty cost-effective online print ordering 
platform:

https://www.lti-lightside.com/order-custom-prints

So here's my gift to the bunch: I can't do "free" (I do have partners and a 
staggering payroll here) but the online ordering prices are the lowest we 
offer and here's a discount code you can use for ordering prints from 
Marty's file that will save an additional 25%:

riv_badge

I'll leave it "live" through the end of January -- D/M me if you have any 
questions.

Happy Holidays to all ...

jsk

On Wednesday, December 20, 2017 at 9:34:07 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:
>
> With the introduction of the Frank Jones model, not to mention a few 
> others, I was reminded it's been two years since I updated the Rivendell 
> badge poster. As with the last iteration, I have uploaded two sizes to my 
> Flickr page where you can download and print as you like. One is 18X24, the 
> other is 9X12. Both are 300dpi so the detail should come through. Since the 
> last one I did in 2015, a few of the versions have had to go to make room 
> for the new ones. I did the best I could with available photos I found on 
> line, or that people have sent. I never get tired of looking at all these 
> great badges - a fitting legacy for the busy crew of elves in Walnut Creek. 
>
> Hope everyone has a nice holiday season and a ride-perfect new year ahead. 
>
> Marty
> Stewartstown, Pennsylvania
>
>
> 
>
>
> 18X24 file can be downloaded here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/38299689265/in/photostream/
>
>
> And the 9X12 here:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/24315614747/in/photostream/
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Choices

[jeffrey kane]

I don't know what they're sending as "stock" on the Clem these days but the 
plastic/nylon VP 535 that they used to spec is pretty hard to beat -- 
unless one has something against plastic/nylon bodies. I'd certainly give 
them a spin (no pun intended) before shelling out for something else.

On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 8:40:54 PM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>
> I’m looking to complete my soon to be arriving Clem Smith H bicycle. I’d 
> like to ask for opinions on the MKS RMX Sneaker pedals and the MKS Grip 
> King pedals. Have any of you tried either or both? Any thoughts welcome. 
> Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: WTB (iBob cross post) 30 x 46 square taper (170 approx) crank, silver

[jeffrey kane]

Hey Dan, the rims are the old Velocity Twin Hollow that Riv used to see as 
their "budget" wheel set. There's lots of width with the Bleriot though 
(front & back), in fact, the crimped chain stay work is really nice for 
tires of this size on this frame. The WTB's with tubes are coming in around 
46 or 47mm -- same as Switchback Hills for me on other rims of similar 
width. I have a new and unmounted pair of Terrine Elwoods to try soon ... 
they look like a terrific mixed use tire as well.

On Friday, November 24, 2017 at 8:51:13 PM UTC-5, Danno wrote:
>
> That is great that those tires fit.  I am interested in them myself.  What 
> rims are you using?
>
> Dan
>

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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[jeffrey kane]

Here's an interesting Instagram post from the folks at Old Spokes Home in 
Burlington, VT:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbPtcscl8Zr/?hl=en=oldspokeshome

It's about three speeds, in crappy conditions ... I'd call it a resource

On Sunday, November 5, 2017 at 6:10:28 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Continuing to toy, and one alluring concept is going with a three speed 
> hub. I’ve searched around a bit and not found much (I know of Shaw’s 
> 3-Speed Society) specific to MTBing with 3-speed IGH. Anyone know of 
> anything? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.CredoFamily.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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Re: [RBW] Re: Binder bolt and nut specs?

[jeffrey kane]

(+) 1 on bicyclebolts.com -- their stainless steel bolt quality is quite 
good. You don't have to buy the Tamper Proof caps (they have regular hex 
head types as well) -- I use the Tamper Proof caps because I lock my bike 
up here and there in NYC.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2017 at 9:20:51 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> I hadn't tried them in a while but a few years back I went to Home Depot 
> by my old house and they were pretty well stocked up with all sorts of 
> socket cap hex bolts that were useful on bicycles, so I stocked up.  I 
> never bought an M6, I guess, because I didn't have one in my collection big 
> enough for the binder bolt.
>
> You're right though, this time they sucked.  They didn't even have any M6 
> nuts.  There was a space for them but they were sold out.  They had the 
> Nyloc kind but I wasn't about to use those.  Lowe's had the nuts, and also 
> an M6-25.  I used that rather than a 20.  Maybe could use a 20 and it would 
> mount flush.  the 25 sticks out about an eighth of an inch, which is not a 
> big deal to me.
>
> In case you were wondering about the Why, I sheared off the binder bolt on 
> my Redwood a couple of years back.  Ever since then I have switched the 
> binder bolt back and forth between my Custom and my Redwood depending on 
> which I wanted to ride.  I finally decided this was a completely ridiculous 
> situation and to do something about it.
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 7:00 PM, Bill Lindsay  > wrote:
>
>> In my experience, both Home Depot and Lowes suck for bicycle fasteners.  
>> Home Depot sucks way more than Lowes, but both are pretty useless.  A 
>> proper fastener store is best for having everything, but they often hate 
>> you if you are only buying 1.  Ebay has essentially everything, but 
>> sometimes you have to buy a bag of several.  M6x1.0mm 20mm length is 
>> something you may use on other things: a stem bolt, mounting a cantilever 
>> brake, on some Riv rack eyelets.  A bag of 10 for $5.65 shipped is what I'm 
>> seeing from this vendor:  ebay link 
>> 
>>   
>>
>> That way you don't even need to leave your home.  Stock up on all the 
>> common sizes and shop from your own inventory.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 3:12:05 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:
>>>
>>> Both Home Depot and Lowe's were sold out of M6-1.0 x20mm stainless 
>>> socket cap bolts.  Sigh.  They had mild steel ones so I took those as a 
>>> temporary measure.  
>>>
>>> The Lowe's guy said he had a truckload of fasteners to unload and stock 
>>> so maybe I'll go back later in the week.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:33 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>>
 OK you were asking for the SIZE of the seat post binder bolt on a 
 Rivendell frame?  Woosh!  I missed that entirely.  I guess size is one of 
 many specifications.  I concur with Brendan that it's an M6.  


 On Tuesday, November 7, 2017 at 2:26:34 PM UTC-8, Jim Bronson wrote:

> Yes thanks that's what I was looking for.  I'm going by home Depot on 
> the way home.
>
> I won't use my torque wrench on it.  Lol...
>
> On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 4:19 PM Brendan McD  
> wrote:
>
 It uses an M6 bolt and nut. I think the length of the bolt is 20mm, but 
>> you may be able to get away with a shorter length. 
>>
>> I broke my binder bolt on tour and stopped in a local hardware store 
>> and picked up a few extras for a few dollars. I put a dab of grease on 
>> it 
>> and haven't had any problems since.
>>
>> I was taught to tighten the binder bolt just tight enough so that you 
>> can't rotate the seatpost in the seat tube, and that should be enough 
>> torque to keep it from slipping vertically.  
>>
>> Brendan McD
>> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Re: 3-Speed MTBing Resources?

[jeffrey kane]

I think you're getting onto something there -- 3 speed MTN bikes could be 
the new single speed MTN bikes. Now, which company would take that on? A 
super durable, lightweight 3sp. IG hub and stealthy shifter (no doubt 
incorporating some sort of dropper seat post button as well). I vote for 
Sram to do it -- and wait for it ... *wirelessly* as well (!) (Cue the 
groans and gasps from the peanut gallery).

Cool idea though.

Jeffrey (one day I'm sure I'll one an eTap drive train) Kane

On Monday, November 6, 2017 at 7:16:58 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Patrick of the Moore asked with cocked eyebrow on a tilted head, me 
> squintin’ back at ‘im, puffin’ me pipe: “I'm curious as to your motive.” 
> Grin. 
>
> Hearty simplicity with just enough practicality added to make it work. 
> Grin. My general approach to things is to try (for a minimum of three 
> months) the simplest way to do something. Doing so ALWAYS teaches me a LOT 
> and often the lessons are often utterly counter to anything I thought I 
> knew. I’ve spoken about doing this with going barefoot (where I 
> “discovered” the idea), and then floor living. A more recent iteration of 
> it is with writing. My first drafts are now all cursive on 5” x 7” 
> notebooks, in pencil, holding it completely differently from what is taught 
> (but as is shown in paintings almost universally from 300ish to 1,800s) and 
> sharpened to a 1.1mm lead. Without going into the mind numbing details, 
> this promotes flow of thought (and gets me past my brain injury challenges 
> of focus and losing train of thought), whereas typing and print are very 
> staccato. 
>
> Since I’ve had the Quickbeam and shifted the Hunqapillar to a 1x9 38t x 
> 12-36t with manual bailout chainring of 24t (no front DR), I have often had 
> the thought “I only need rather wide spaced gearing, 3-5 gears, with a 
> really low gearing option for bikepacking. The QB is my “as simple as it 
> can be done” bike and it continues to teach me a LOT. Grin. I’m now 
> striving to apply that to the Hunqapillar. 
>
> From what I’ve read the new Taiwanese Sturmey Archers are vast 
> improvements over the post 1950’s British made mediocre ones. They are 
> sealed (at least more so) than what you rode. 
>
> Why IGH? Weatherproofing. Why 3? Heartiest, beefiest around. Greatest gear 
> range per gear, giving a 2 x 3 drive the same or slightly greater range as 
> my current 2x cassette. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Cross Post: looking for flat, thin and serviceable nylon pedals

[jeffrey kane]

Hi Joe,

I eyeballed the 538's -- and may try a pair. I suspect a lot of readers 
here who bought Appa's or Clems have been running them -- I wonder how 
they've held up. Do you know if they're serviceable?

On Saturday, November 4, 2017 at 2:10:58 PM UTC-4, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi Jeffrey 
>
> The "Clem Smith" VP-538 is an excellent, low-profile nylon pedal IMO. 
>
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
>
> On 11/4/17, jeffrey kane <jsk_o...@mac.com > wrote: 
> > I posted this to the iBob list as well so my apologies for the 
> redundancy: 
> > 
> > I'm in search of a nylon or plastic type body -- I don't care for 
> > replaceable steel pins. I really like the nylon-like models: they don't 
> > scratch stuff that they come in contact with and are usually pretty 
> light. 
> > Inexpensive is nice but not a barrier to purchase. I wore through a pair 
> of 
> > 
> > cheap VP's in a year already (the bearings feel like a pepper grinder) 
> and 
> > can't be replaced. I prefer the thin bodies (2cm or under) over the old 
> > school 3cm BMX types. I like allen key install over traditional pedal 
> > wrench fittings ... and yes, I'd like to rebuild them after riding 
> through 
> > east-coast salt infused winters, whether sealed bearing or loose ball. 
> > 
> > Any ideas for candidates that fit the bill? 
> > 
> > lmk/jsk 
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[RBW] Cross Post: looking for flat, thin and serviceable nylon pedals

[jeffrey kane]

I posted this to the iBob list as well so my apologies for the redundancy:

I'm in search of a nylon or plastic type body -- I don't care for 
replaceable steel pins. I really like the nylon-like models: they don't 
scratch stuff that they come in contact with and are usually pretty light. 
Inexpensive is nice but not a barrier to purchase. I wore through a pair of 
cheap VP's in a year already (the bearings feel like a pepper grinder) and 
can't be replaced. I prefer the thin bodies (2cm or under) over the old 
school 3cm BMX types. I like allen key install over traditional pedal 
wrench fittings ... and yes, I'd like to rebuild them after riding through 
east-coast salt infused winters, whether sealed bearing or loose ball.

Any ideas for candidates that fit the bill?

lmk/jsk

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[RBW] Re: Wrecked my Atlantis

[jeffrey kane]

Damn John,

Very sorry to hear that -- and glad to hear you're not hurt. I frequent 
paths along both sides the Hudson, often as early as 6:00 - 6:30am. No 
doubt it was pretty much pitch black at that hour yesterday.
I'd guess if your shop thinks your frame warrants a trip to Belinky they're 
likely correct -- those guys know what they're doing and aren't unfamiliar 
with Rivs, either.

Can't speak to the bottle throwing cyclist .. but I know what you mean. 

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 7:30:11 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Yesterday, at 5:30 in the morning, I collided head-on with another 
> cyclist. I was on a path along the Hudson river on the Jersey side, and the 
> guy had no lights.  And I went over the bars. 
>
>  Thankfully, I'm all right, but my Atlantis is pretty messed up,  and I'd 
> like to get the lists advice . The fork is badly bent, and my local shop 
> thinks that the Head tube maybe messed up. They're stripping  it down and 
> sending it to Bilenky to see if it can be realigned. Do any of you think 
> that's a bad move?
>
>  I don't want to think about how much worse it would've been if I had been 
> riding a carbon bike.  I'm pretty bummed. The worst part is that the other 
> guy swore at me and threw my water bottle at me while I was lying on the 
> ground.  Called me some names I won't repeat here, and rode off before I 
> was even able to get up.   Sometimes I really hate riding around here.
>
> Anyway, be safe out there and hug your Rivendells tonight!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 10x200 update. An eleventh bike, and blast(s) from the past

[jeffrey kane]

Coincidentally, the hardly too-serious (more hilarious) TeamDreamCyclinTeam 
launches a new selection of apparel, both cycling performance specific and 
casual today (9/19 at 12:00pm PST). Ordering is easy though the website but 
they have a large online / social media following and things do sell out 
pretty quickly. The quality of the LA made cycling goods is terrific. 

Bill calls it right in that they are "good hard-working positive bunch of 
cyclists, putting a ton of effort and energy into building a genuine 
community around themselves in that South Pasadena area". To be sure, these 
aren't the reviled, tempo-driven roadies often pilloried here -- in fact, 
this group seems to spend as much time under-biking their way through and 
over the Los Angeles National Forest and local Verdugo Mtn. unpaved roads 
as they do on the road. They're also connected to Silver Lake's Golden 
Saddle Cyclery, which, has a great Instagram feed of 'visiting" bikes -- 
many that would be appreciated here. Any "hating" in their direction would 
be misinformed (in my opinion, anyway).

On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 7:59:32 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Ann L declared a need for a handlebar bag like mine.  
>
> The brand is Team Dream.  There's a cute sewn on label on the front that 
> also says "MOKUYOBI" which may be the model (?).  The selection of stuff on 
> the teamdreambicyclingteam website is nowhere near as great as the 
> selection at the Cub House storefront.  When I chatted with one of the very 
> nice, bearded, twenty-somethings at the Cub House, he indicated that they 
> come up with ideas and the sewers make them.  It sounds like a pretty rapid 
> fire operation where everything is kind of small run, make it sell it go 
> for a ride, have some cold brew coffee and come up with the next idea.  It 
> made me want to live in South Pasadena and go visit every couple weeks to 
> see whats new.  I get the vibe that for a lot of things there will not be 
> enough inventory to warrant even bothering to put it on the website.  There 
> were only two bags that were brown with rainbow, and I bought one.  There 
> were five or six that were more like teal with rainbow, exactly like mine 
> except the dark brown bottom of the bag in my photo is a teal color.  
>
> The handlebar bag that you can easily buy online, that is ALSO handmade in 
> Los Angeles, and is also stocked at the Cub House is the Bar Bag by ORNOT.  
>
> https://www.ornotbike.com/collections/accessories
>
> The MOKUYOBI bag was a lot less expensive ($50 vs $78), and is a bit 
> larger in the main compartment, and has no side pockets. If you want to buy 
> a bag just like mine, I recommend you call them at (626)755-3003 and ask 
> them if they can sell you one.  Have them text you a phone pic.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, September 18, 2017 at 4:10:29 PM UTC-7, Ann L wrote:
>>
>> Ohhh.  I am so needing that handlebar bag.  What is the brand?  I looked 
>> on the website and it wasn't listed.
>>
>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Riv-ish rides in metro NYC area?

[jeffrey kane]

Well, this morning was the kick off of the NYC Velo Spring Adventure Series 
--- here's their blurb describing the first leg:

Bear Mountain ATTACK – Sunday 4/23 @ 8:00AM at Antoinnete’s Patisserie 
. 75 miles of beautiful 
riding in upstate New York to Bear Mountain, presented in conjunction with 
our sister-shop, Hastings Velo. Call 914-478-2453 <(914)%20478-2453> for 
more information.

And also this morning was the Bike Snob GranFonDon't: 
(http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com) which, was slated to be and easy 70/30 
pavement/dirt ride taking in the Old Croton Aqueduct 

And yeah, I'm typing and not riding either ... and want to kill myself 
because of it. Sigh.


On Saturday, April 22, 2017 at 8:03:34 AM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
> Apologies: I realize this is directed at a very small portion of you, and 
> is of limited interest to the rest of the bunch.
>
> I'm looking for good rides that mix pavement and trail in the metro NYC 
> area. I'd prefer to not have to drive to ride my bike, but I'm willing to 
> do so if the ride is worth it: 30-100 miles, hills or no hills, some 
> pavement and some dirt/gravel, and the illusion of isolation. I have an 
> Atlantis with 44cm tires, if that helps.
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 3M helicopter tape

[jeffrey kane]

I tried it for the front derailleur clamp once -- didn't work for me. The 
cable pulling action caused the clamp to slip - whether that was on the 
clamp / tape interface or the adhesive / frame interface (or both) I'm not 
totally sure but either way, it was a no go. I'd never considered cloth HB 
tape idea for that, though (but I'd probably not like looking at it). 

The 3M Heli tape is great stuff for bikes -- I cut little pieces to wrap 
around my bottom bracket shells to keep the occasional chain drop form 
scratching them -- and I double it in patches around where maybe chain suck 
will happen. I use it as a chain slap protector, etc ... 

On Friday, April 14, 2017 at 2:56:35 PM UTC-4, Ash A wrote:
>
>
> I was considering this tape to protect the frame from front derailleur 
> clamp.  
>
> Or is there a better way to pad the FD clamp?
>
>
>
> On Friday, 7 April 2017 02:38:43 UTC-7, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> This was developed for the leading edge of copter blades to prevent 
>> abrasion from desert sand. It's a TOUGH clear adhesive tape available in 
>> different widths.You can find it on the auction site. I have it on the 'top 
>> tube' of my Cheviot and also use it as a chainstay protector. Excellent 
>> paint protection.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborn

[jeffrey kane]

Genius clip: like watching the Marx Bros race Laurel and Hardy and the The 
Three Stooges ... it almost makes me think that the prerequisite was "no 
previous bike handling experience allowed" (!)


On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 9:41:24 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Yeah, no.
>
> https://youtu.be/H9_Fs1QtsOY
>
> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 5:54:50 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote:
>>
>>
>> Haha
>>
>> Bikes on dirt trails though - that was us!
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2017, at 2:43 PM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Of course, if you're inclined the other way...
>>
>> 
>>
>> Remember boys and girls--our generation didn't invent sex, or sloping top 
>> tubes.
>>
>> On Sunday, March 12, 2017 at 3:50:11 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually, "classic" is level top tube. Me, I don't care about classic, 
>>> or rather, I care about it much less than fit. But Rivs with very visibly 
>>> sloping tts are not classic designs.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 12, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Bob K.  wrote:
>>>
 I have a 2009 Sam, and yes, they've always had sloping top tubes. It 
 allows a greater range of PBHs to fit each size. "Classic" is relative, 
 and 
 Riv has never been in the business of simply remaking vintage bikes. And 
 if 
 one wants a (mostly) flat top tube Riv, there's always the Atlantis (or a 
 custom).

 Also, I agree that the ride is sublime. I run 700x42 Soma Shikoros on 
 mine.

 Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Riv cheapy pedals

[jeffrey kane]

Joe, if you don't find them locally -- you can rest assured that they do 
exist online and are easily obtainable. I just picked up a pair of VP-535's 
on EBay for around $11.99. They're cheap (and cheap feeling) -- like, 
probably not serviceable cheap feeling -- but whatever, they're $12.99 and 
nylon and that's what I needed so my VP Gripsters would stop scratching the 
holy hell out of my other bikes when piled together in our bike parting 
area. The 535's are actually sport a lightly bigger platform and while I 
haven't tried them when wet, they feel great when riding in dry conditions.

On Thursday, February 2, 2017 at 12:14:20 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Does anybody have take-offs from a complete CLEM or Appaloosa build? I 
> just bought some VP Gripsters from RBW for my new-to-me singlespeed, and 
> would like to try the similar design plastic cheapies on another bike (Riv 
> doesn't sell them separately). 
>
> Thanks, 
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>

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[RBW] Re: F.S. 55cm Bleriot frame set

[jeffrey kane]

It's a great bike at a great price. 
PBH 81.3 will fit fine (and man, that's such a specific measurement that I 
don't even want to think about how you got it) . 
It fits 42's (Hetres and/or Baby Shoe Pass tires) AND Berthoud S/S fenders. 
And  will fit  either Tektro long reach calipers or Dia Compe CP's with the 
fenders (with a little massaging)
It's every bit a Saluki except for not quite as buttery a fork (or at least 
as buttery as the Toei made Saluki forks).

I know all this 'cause I have both a 55 Belriot and a 54 Saluki ... both 
are retired and I've been too damn stubborn to put them up for sale at the 
smart price that Les has here. So thumbs up to you, Les .. and if your bike 
sells quick (as it should), I'll follow your lead and offer my two 
dust-gathering babies up for sale with a similarly generous pricing scheme.

Good luck to you ... good bikes deserve good homes.

jsk




On Thursday, January 26, 2017 at 2:04:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I had this frame in 55cm and I have a PBH of about 79. It fit great with 
> pullback bars for me, but no appreciable standover clearance. I think it 
> would fit you better. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: my old 1x10 set up.

[jeffrey kane]

Hey Mike, been meaning to get back to you on this -- do you still have the 
XT 11/36 and KMC chain that you want to move? lmk/jsk

On Tuesday, December 6, 2016 at 12:06:26 PM UTC-5, mike gasparino wrote:
>
> Hey guys, have had these laying around for a while from an old 1x10 build 
> on my riv: 
>
> -Deore XT 10 Speed 11-36 cassette (less then 100 miles) with KMC 10 speed 
> chain. $50 shipped 
> -shimano zee rear 10 speed shifter. ( less then 100 miles) $19 shipped 
> -shimano 600 cranks in fantastic condition. 170mm arms, 130 bcd. Comes 
> with Tange 118mm bottom bracket with less then 100 miles. $80 shipped 
> -race face narrow wide chainring. 40t. 130bcd. 
>
> I had all of these on my Atlantis and it worked great but I don't seem to 
> ride anymore trails so I'm going to go back to a more commuting/road 
> specific set up. Please DM for pics or if you would like to purchase it all 
> give me a holler and I will cut down prices 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Sugino XD crankarms only

[jeffrey kane]

Hey Nick have you tried asking these guys 
-- http://www.northercycles.com/shop/ -- they sell the set but seem open to 
options and ideas. 

On Friday, November 18, 2016 at 6:03:14 AM UTC-5, Nick Payne wrote:
>
> Who sells the XD cranks as a bare set of arms without chainrings? My web 
> searching so far has only turned up cranks complete with chainrings. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Road Hunq?

[jeffrey kane]

Ha, Garth -- then I'll trade you that Bomba for the rusting out Magna 
sitting behind my building any day -- just let me know when you're ready.

John G -- I never did a conversion but I moved through two Riv's (Bleriot & 
Slauki) onto Jeff Lyon's L'avecaise 650b model and I agree -- this 
configuration offers what feels like nearly the best of many ideas rolled 
into one (with easy option-able switch-outs) for our area.


On Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 10:25:49 AM UTC-5, masmojo wrote:
>
> Yes, I get it, I understand living in the moment, its hard to say a bike 
> is a bike & a tire is a tire is a tire when you ride a Rivendell! And while 
> I'm as likely to roll a $12 tire as a $60 tire there's  no denying that 90% 
> of the time the expensive tire will be better. Sometimes it's not  $48. 
> Better, but still better.

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[RBW] Re: Road Hunq?

[jeffrey kane]

Hi John,
I don't know your bike but do know your roads -- and ride them daily. I'm 
on 650b rigs, primarily running Gran Bois or Compass 42's and Panaracer 
Pari Moto 1.75's. From all I've learned along the way -- lighter and more 
supple tires are really worth it for ride quality. It's likely why other 
contributors here favor the Thunder Burts and for sure it's why anyone with 
a bike that will fit them is curious about the new Compass 700c x 44's. I 
commute in Manhattan daily and ride River Road and points north as much as 
possible -- usually looking to climb and/or find any unpaved sections I can 
piece together on my loops in and out of the city. I own Bruce Gordon Rock 
and Roads and Sim Works Homage tires but only use them when I know I'm 
traveling to ride somewhere that the balance of paved vs. unpaved falls in 
favor of the latter. I don't get an unusual amount of flats in the city and 
almost never feel the need for tread/knobs. Were it me: I'd try those new 
Compass 44's and keep some knobs in reserve -- and I'd certainly shy away 
from thick tread, heavy tires -- at least for where we are.

On Monday, November 14, 2016 at 11:34:56 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>
> I saw a fellow riding a Hunqapillar on Old River Road north of the George 
> Washington Bridge this weekend. He was moving at a decent clip. I pulled up 
> alongside him, mentioned I was a fellow Hunqapillar rider, and we got to 
> talking. He runs 38mm compass tires on his Hunq, which got me thinking 
> about how common this setup is. I have 50mm Schwalbes, but I mostly ride on 
> pavement (detritus-strewn, crater-pocked Metro New York pavement). 
>
>  Anyone else riding their Hunq mostly on pavement? If so, what tires are 
> you running?

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[RBW] Re: Three great test rides at RBWHQ

[jeffrey kane]

Thanks for all that -- now I get it -- you're at least a size bigger than 
me and I didn't realize that your size Joe was 700c ...

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 1:18:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Jeff asked about why I would buy a Hunqapillar to replace an Appaloosa. 
>  Just that it's MUSA, and I'd pick a color, and it would have no 
> toe-overlap with a longer front center plus smaller diameter wheel.  Any 
> ride you can do on a Hunqapillar, you can also do on an Appaloosa, if you 
> want to.  
>
> I always get very strong MUSA urges around election time.  I feel deep 
> respect for fellow Americans that build things, and I want to buy the 
> things they have built.  Every election cycle I try to recommit myself to 
> buying fewer things in total, but more things manufactured in the USA.  I'm 
> not great at holding myself to it. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 10:00:12 AM UTC-8, jeffrey kane wrote:
>>
>> Ah, ok,  the Joe is too long in the TT for drops. In your eyes, what does 
>> the Hunq represent in "upgrade" highlights -- aside from maybe all those 
>> braze ons?
>>
>> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeff asked about the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar vs my Appaloosa for an 
>>> upcoming California Alpine tour. 
>>>
>>> I have no intention at this time running the Appaloosa for that tour. I 
>>> think of the Appaloosa as an S24O bike.  If I left today on that tour I 
>>> would use a bike that I've never shown off here because it's not a 
>>> Rivendell. It's a Niner RLT9 disc brake gravel bike that I perversely 
>>> converted to 650b. 
>>>
>>> If I buy a 650b Atlantis (likely), it will have drop bars and I will 
>>> seriously consider using it for my tour. I would set it up roadish. 
>>>
>>> If I buy a 650b Hunqapillar as well (less likely), it would be to 
>>> replace/upgrade my Appaloosa. I would use it at a trailish S24O bike with 
>>> uprights of some kind.  
>>>
>>> If anyone out there is dying for a 55 Appaloosa in butternut, let me 
>>> know. You could force my hand.  I'm thinking frame/fork/choco 
>>> bars/headset/seatpost/wheelset for the price of an Appaloosa frameset.  I 
>>> would keep the rest of my build kit for my Hunqapillar. 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay 
>>> El Cerrito Ca
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Three great test rides at RBWHQ

[jeffrey kane]

Ah, ok,  the Joe is too long in the TT for drops. In your eyes, what does 
the Hunq represent in "upgrade" highlights -- aside from maybe all those 
braze ons?

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 12:03:09 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Jeff asked about the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar vs my Appaloosa for an 
> upcoming California Alpine tour. 
>
> I have no intention at this time running the Appaloosa for that tour. I 
> think of the Appaloosa as an S24O bike.  If I left today on that tour I 
> would use a bike that I've never shown off here because it's not a 
> Rivendell. It's a Niner RLT9 disc brake gravel bike that I perversely 
> converted to 650b. 
>
> If I buy a 650b Atlantis (likely), it will have drop bars and I will 
> seriously consider using it for my tour. I would set it up roadish. 
>
> If I buy a 650b Hunqapillar as well (less likely), it would be to 
> replace/upgrade my Appaloosa. I would use it at a trailish S24O bike with 
> uprights of some kind.  
>
> If anyone out there is dying for a 55 Appaloosa in butternut, let me know. 
> You could force my hand.  I'm thinking frame/fork/choco 
> bars/headset/seatpost/wheelset for the price of an Appaloosa frameset.  I 
> would keep the rest of my build kit for my Hunqapillar. 
>
> Bill Lindsay 
> El Cerrito Ca
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Three great test rides at RBWHQ

[jeffrey kane]

Bill,

Do you think either of these rides -- the 650b Atlantis, the 650b Hunq -- 
would provide significant benefits for a two-week Sierra tour over the Joe?

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 2:11:09 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I would be very interested in hearing more of your impressions about the 2 
> Roscos.
> How do they ride and how do they differ? Where would they fit on the 
> Rodeo-Hillsen-Sam-Atlantis-Hunq continuum?
>
> TIA
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at 5:19:48 AM UTC+2, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Sure. I guess I would say yes to that.  More clearance 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Show me your Legolas

[jeffrey kane]

Elfin Green, man ... somewhere in the "spring green / "bright olive" family 
sounds right to me. Creamy head tubes work with nearly everything, of 
course, but I wouldn't rule out Sky Blue with the green idea, either (!)

On Saturday, November 5, 2016 at 7:46:49 PM UTC-4, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> I have one on order but can't decide on a color.  Inspiration wanted. 
>  Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: In search of trade: Long shot, at that - 56cm Hillborne for something that fits me better

[jeffrey kane]

Igor, Igor, Igor ... you should have just snapped up my Belriot when you 
had the chance.


On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 1:21:01 PM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I recently got this bike, and it's awesome and I ride it daily, but it's a 
> tad bit big. It's green, has all the Rivvy bits.
>
> I'll trade for a 54-55cm something else Riv. Currently I have less than a 
> fistful of seatpost. I mounted a Carradice bag and it's angled and not 
> great.
>
> Measures 59 effective top tube!
>
> PBH of 83.x and this is right there in the groin for me. I don't mind 
> that, but a cm of clearance would be better. 
>
> Here's a bad photo of it before I adjusted it some more which dropped the 
> seat even further.
>
>
>
> 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Berthoud Saddles

[jeffrey kane]

I'll chime in with a quick six year synopsis of my leather saddle 
experience:

I like B-17's with upright bars but they don't work in drop bar mode for me 
(too wide at the rear and in-between my legs). I tried a Brooks Swift in 
drop bar mode for a while, which, wasn't too bad but did sag so much over a 
short period of use (maybe two seasons) that I started to become frustrated 
with the whole finicky leather saddle thing altogether. I haven't enjoyed 
the continual evolving towards sag experience much but I do like the feel 
of leather saddles (way more than the Cambiums -- but that's another story).

Next I tried an older Team Pro, which, by the numbers seemed like it would 
be a better fit for my drop bar position (and it was). Unfortunately, it 
deteriorated and ripped (but that was really due to it's age more than 
anything else). 

So faced with the decision to buy a new Team Pro -- or try yet another 
saddle -- I went with the Aspin (Arivis, actually -- but same shape) 
because that saddle also looked to fit my needs based on the numbers. And 
it did -- but here's the odd part -- I must be the only person to be 
disappointed with it's longevity. It broke in very quickly (read: sagged) 
and once, when soaked in a rainstorm I didn't see coming -- sagged so much 
that I thought it was a goner. To it's credit, I was able to get it back 
into shape again and am finishing a second season with it -- though, I've 
had to run the tension bolt in a bunch more than expected -- and again, I 
always have that nagging feeling that it's sagging towards state of 
ultimate uselessness. 

I like that I can at least order new leather for it -- but wish I'd had 
that 500 mile break-in period everyone talks about and the impression that 
the leather is somehow thicker. Mine does not seem overly thick compared to 
the Books models I've used in the past ... and well, it's not behaving much 
differently, either. 

It is comfortable, however,  and I get that these are leather saddles, 
therefor somewhat subject to the varying nature of "natural"  material -- 
so I suppose I'll try replacing the leather sooner or later ... if not next 
season then likely the season after.

I am curious if anyone else has had a similar Berthoud experience -- I 
weigh between 150 and 160lb, generally, btw.

On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 7:59:44 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 10/17/2016 12:36 AM, Lungimsam wrote: 
> > Is tge name pronounced: 
> > "Ber-toad", or 
>
> > "Bear-tood" 
> According to google translate, bear-too, with a rolling r 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hypothetical albastache handlebar setup

[jeffrey kane]

Funny -- I've used both the SCR-5 type (which, I believe were Campy Record 
10 clones) and the RRL and have come to wish for the flared out lever of 
the RRL matched with the SCR-5 body (!) ... 

On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 12:21:41 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> on drop bars TRPs are wonderful :)
>
> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 11:15:35 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I would agree with Ryan in stating that the tiagras are perfectly 
>> adequate which is why I've never replaced them.  I see them as functional 
>> but not wonderful (due to a slight rattle in one of them).  I'm not sure 
>> the trps would fall into the wonderful category but, if I ever replace the 
>> tiagras, the trps, and now Origin8 Classiques, will be on my shortlist.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 6:19:37 AM UTC-7, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> I've used tiagras on my moustache bars for years and  I find that 
>>> they're perfectly adequate...I do like the looks of the flipped down TRPS , 
>>> Drew,  as well, but I feel that the TRPs really come into their own with 
>>> drop bars
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 26, 2016 at 7:51:04 AM UTC-5, Surlyprof wrote:

 I bought the straighter tiagras and wished I'd bought the trps and 
 flipped them.  They are much nicer brake levers.

 John

>>>

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Re: [RBW] RBW / BQ inspired steel lugged custom

[jeffrey kane]

If it's that silver Steve Rex with the chromed lugs he's been posting on his 
Instagram account then, wow!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Garage Sale

[jeffrey kane]

Hi Corwin -- it looks like you didn't get the google pic link attached / jsk

On Thursday, July 28, 2016 at 11:04:51 PM UTC-4, Corwin wrote:
>
> Hi -
>
> Need to clear out space and raise some money. This is what I have to offer:
>
> Silver Shifters:
>
> Used these on my custom for a while. Only ridden about 200 miles. Mounted 
> as downtube shifters. Hard to tell that they've been mounted. $25 + 
> shipping.
>
> Sugino wide low crankset:
>
> Stock crankset that shipped with my Quickbeam. Includes stock 32 and 40 
> tooth chainrings and chainguard. $75 + shipping.
>
> Quickbeam [stock] Bottom bracket:
>
> This bottom bracket served on my Quickbeam for several years. Still going 
> strong. Had to replace it when I went to an outboard bearing setup. $10 + 
> shipping
>
> Shimano 16 tooth freewheel $20 shipped
>
> Suntour XC Pro rear derailer:
>
> Used gently. In great condition. $50 + shipping.
>
> iBob Trailer $100 + shipping
>
> An iBob Yak trailer. Required iBob quick release included.
>
> Rivendell Seersucker Shirt:
>
> Size XL. Worn a couple of times. All my shirts are professionally 
> laundered. Usually have a little starch in them. This is easily washed out 
> if it bothers you. $50 shipped
>
> Rivendell Railroad Shirt:
>
> Size XL. The real deal with stripey railroad fabric and rounded collar. 
> Worn a couple of times. Note - the cuffs were big on me so I moved the 
> buttons inboard. Trivial to move them back out. Same thing as Seersucker 
> above about starch. $50 shipped.
>
> Minoura repair stand $140 + shipping; includes seatpost grabber
>
> Rear wheel:
>
> This is a bomb-proof wheel built by Peter White. Shimano Dura Ace hub 
> laced to a Mavic A719 rim. 32 spokes. Skewer included; cassette and tire 
> not included. $100 + shipping.
>
> Park Tool P-Handle Hex Wrench Set $40 shipped; includes holder.
>
> 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 10mm wrenches. 4 - 10mm wrenches have bondhus ends 
> on long side.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-P-Handled-Wrench-Holder/dp/B01EONU11Q
>
> Rivendell Crochet-Back Leather Gloves $10 Shipped.
>
> Fizik Red Leather Bar Tape $15 shipped.
>
> New in box.
>
> Have photos of everything at the link below. Sorry they are in no 
> particular order. Google photos likes to arrange images in whatever order 
> it sees fit. No easy way to reorder the images.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Corwin
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #3

[jeffrey kane]

That thing is cool looking! The TIG / Riv ... who knew (?). I'm guessing 
that drilled crowns and bridges are less costly at the manufacturing level 
but that bike would look pretty sharp with canti's IMO.


On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 10:03:31 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> It's cool in a funky way (no, I can't explain this). I dig the matte 
> green. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Ritchey Logic Crankset

[jeffrey kane]

Does that mean when you wrote $100.00 you really mean, like, $65.00?

On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 5:04:25 PM UTC-4, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Yes. I was writing in Celsius.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Jun 16, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> When Eric says 100bcd he means 110mm BCD
>
> 
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2016 at 1:55:27 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Yes 100bcd
>>
>> No … no mounts for a third ring. Double only.
>>
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