I think this bike looks awesome, the most natural way I've seen to get drop
bars higher than the saddle, which I normally find to be a goofy look.
Somehow this configuration, with the dirt drop stem and the curving top
tube and the long chainstays and the thinnish (for a Riv) fork blades, it
Like the Gus and Susie it allows them to get the headset way up high and,
consequently, the stem and bars can be high. Perhaps the drops are not the
main intention. So many of their favorite bars are uprights, meant to come
up and back toward the rider.
David Lipsky
On Sunday, June 7, 2020 at
Not sure about it either. I think the cables make the tubes look wider in the
pictures which may contribute to that "something is off" look. Might still grow
on me though.
Clayton Scott
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I love the shape of this frame. It's like a swoopy fast version of the clem and
it would look even better with the curvy seat stays seen on some of the other
rivs
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Ah, got it. I follow her on the IG but can never keep track of the changing
names and @names across platforms.
Joe Bernard
@JoeOfTheNorth Twitter
@rideymcbiker Instagram
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Aaron, I tend to agree with you on all counts. I don't see myself warming
up to this anytime soon (or ever), but I think part of the problem is it
really doesn't jive with the drop bars. I get that it's immensely practical
at least, but hopefully it'll undergo some further refinement.
On
Who is Sal?
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I was excited about this project but seeing that frame does not make my eyes
happy. It reminds me of a cheap “compact” road frame that manufacturers make to
offer fewer sizes.
I guess that fits into the less expensive mold, but I was hoping for something
more closely akin to a tig welded AHH
Seen in Sal's instagram stories... reasonably good chance this is the
prototype based on the geo diagram from an old blahg post. I'm not sold on
the top tube yet, but like most Rivendell innovations, they take a while to
absorb for me.
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CHG will be intended for the new V-brakes. No way it won't be. Just you
watch!
On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:35 PM UTC-6, Paul M wrote:
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> Grant's blog (blahg) early November No. 30 starts off with a partial
> schematic of a frame design that isn't labeled but looks like part
>
A roadish bike that will take 50mm tires sounds like what I have been
waiting for. I hope that is the case.
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I am not a fan of V brakes, I don't have them on any of my bikes, but that's
not to say anything is wrong with them. I just find them . . . Ah . . . Kind of
boring.
I do tend to build up bikes for other people with V-brakes for two reasons
First, I have a few sets in my parts box and Two,
I heard this talk about v brake modulation before switching over from cantis to
v’s. Can’t say I’ve found it to be true with a set of Paul motolites and a few
shimano options.
Ugly, yes.
Not happily compatible with drops, yes.
But I’d consider all the ones I tried more powerful and of equal
You're right, the V brakes were from quite a long time ago now. Back
before Y2K. But trust me, there is no power on earth that will get me
to swap these Rene Herse cantilevers for V brakes.
When you have the best you can forget the rest.
And a Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good
You need to try some decent current v-brakes. I remember the modulation issue
from the early - Shimano Parallel Push was weird when the pivots got sloppy -
but it's been ages since I've encountered it.
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I haven't used V brakes much, but every bike I've tried that had V
brakes had zero modulation, purely binary like a light switch: all on or
all off. YMMV, but for me, simply no way. Never in life.
On 12/24/19 6:48 PM, Eric Daume wrote:
Hair trigger modulation? Please. The V brakes on my
"I don't know why someone would pick them (centerpulls) when buying or
designing a new frame."
The versus discussion started here. Because I've been around long enough to
know you don't pick a production frame with canti posts, then start asking
about centerpulls
It was also duly answered.
Hair trigger modulation? Please. The V brakes on my Dahon have excellent
modulation; similar to hydro disc brakes, among the best brakes I’ve used.
I had centerpulls on a 650b conversion that had excellent modulation and
felt great. Until the rims were wet, then they lost all power. No thanks.
On 12/24/19 6:20 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 7:50:26 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
On the question of V-brakes vs. Centerpulls, in my opinion
V-brakes are:
1. Just too ugly. A very subjective thing.
2. Very hard to combine with wide/tall
On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 3:27:19 PM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
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> The custom sounds amazing! I have pondered why the Compass/RH centerpulls
> aren't used on any of the caliper-brake Rivendells. I understand the desire
> to avoid rare / single source parts but the R Herse brakes are
And just maybe the forthcoming Riv V-brake will have a distinctive look that
gives it more appeal. Paul MotoLites
come to mind with a design that sets them apart from
the less costly models currently available.
Best,
Rich in ATL
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The custom sounds amazing! I have pondered why the Compass/RH centerpulls
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to avoid rare / single source parts but the R Herse brakes are truly the
best of all worlds, unless you're heavily loaded / riding a tandem.
Gotta agree v-brakes aren't the prettiest things. Which is why I'm getting
polished Pauls on my custom, all you'll see is shine!
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On the question of V-brakes vs. Centerpulls, in my opinion V-brakes are:
1. Just too ugly. A very subjective thing.
2. Very hard to combine with wide/tall tires and fenders.
So I am probably not a customer for the Charlie H Gallop. I ride drop bars
on road bikes.
I have two bikes with
Oh man, a red Copenhagen Wheel on a tusk XO-1 would be awesome! But alas, the
spacing is too narrow on those bikes. My money is safe! For now!
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Jason,
The joke will probably Flip back to land on Joe. The pic of your XO-1 will
get his brain wheels turning and he will probably be the Santa that
financially balances your ledger and benefited Riv as well. If he resists your
frame or bike sale whomever lands that lovely classic will
Gorgeous XO. I rode the heck out of my 1994 X0-3. Now my daughter is riding
it. Great bikes! Should not be hard to sell.
On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 5:00:05 PM UTC-8, Jason Fuller wrote:
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> Damn it Joe, I blame you for the wallet damage ;)
>
> I just ordered a Clem H 45 frameset in
HaHAAA, tell 'em Joe B. sent you! No that one. Not that one, either. The other
one! 藍
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Extremely tempted to! I just bought my Hillborne two months ago so funds
are tight (shipping to Canada is expensive too), plus if this new bike is
sub-1000 price point and 650B, I think i'd prefer to hold out for it as my
commuter bike! Still very very tempted though.
On Saturday, 21
Oh you're right, the guy I sold to was between the two bigger sizes and my
brain stuck there. We're the same height and I have a 45cm L, it's perfect as
long as you don't mind a lot of post showing like modernish bikes (I don't
mind). The height stuff on the Riv site is way outdated, it applies
80 cm; I would err towards a 45 if choosing because I'd rather a bike a
little small than a little large. And the 45's actually pretty reasonable
for my size from a numbers perspective though there is a big disconnect
with the recommended height range. I think you were expecting I was between
How tall are you/PBH? I just sold a 52 Clem H cuz the current models have
longer toptubes (I didn't know that) and the dang thing was just too big for
me. That one might be a little snug on you with the stock Boscos, but there's a
hundred other less-reachy-back bars you could pop on there.
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Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread. That said, I don't consider a curved
top tube to make any difference in whether it rides like / not like a
Hillborne. Price point is a differentiator but also kind of a separate
consideration, especially since Sam wasn't a super expensive frame (by Riv
The diagram Paul M mentioned shows a low stepover, kind of a high Gus/Susie
variation. Also it's going to be mostly-TIGed, so lower price point than
Hillborne. We're discussing a bike that's "like a Hillborne" but with a
lower-curved toptube, different tube joinery and lower cost. That's a
From the AMA on reddit yesterday,
"The next one is Charlie H. Gallop, and it's a high-clearance, v-braked
roadish bike that'll fit to 50mm."
Nothing new there, definitely sounds very similar to the Hillborne. I
expect the chainstays to be ~10mm longer than the equivalent size AHH and
At Riv HQ today Grant said something like, “roadies v-braked complete bike in
similar style to Susie. Likely with the upcoming Riv made v-brakes, tig welds.
We’ll see.”
Sounds great to me - looking forward to those v-brakes.
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Again my mistake.
As regards center pulls, post mounted or otherwise, or for that matter dual
pivots with respect to v brakes I think choice of levers, aesthetics, or even
just finding no defect in the non v brake alternative are reasons enough for a
person to prefer non v brakes.
Which is not
True and a lot of centerpull bikes have dropbars.
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"Sorry that was not my intention, so I apologize.
My bad."
It's all good, apparently I misunderstood it.
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I like v brakes a lot. In my experience they are definitely simpler and at
least equal to any other rim brake. My problem with them is the drop bar lever
selection. There are 2 options. One is known to crack and the other is hard to
track down and not amazing.
A road bike, I assume, probably
Sorry that was not my intention, so I apologize.
My bad.
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Also, the question was in response to a comment about centerpulls, then offered
my own experience with them. The question is v-brakes v. centerpulls, not
cantis.
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"Because the levers they like aren’t for v brakes?
Or they don’t see any significant down side to cantilever brakes?
Or they prefer the aesthetics?"
It was a sincere question. Answering my question with questions sounds
sarcastic and patronizing to me. Should I not ask any more questions?
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I just read the AMA and my impression is Gallop is a roadish frame with long
stays and the singlespeed is a different bike. This is the SS quote:
"We're working on a one-speed for late 2020."
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Because the levers they like aren’t for v brakes?
Or they don’t see any significant down side to cantilever brakes?
Or they prefer the aesthetics?
I’ve yet to understand what the advantage of v brakes is.
Sure they work fine, but (in my experience) so do other kinds.
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I'm no expert, but my experience, such as it is, says that well set up
canti brakes have better modulation than V brakes which, like all the 3
sets of BB7 discs I've used, tend to be "snatchy" -- tho' this is all more
of an academic discussion point than a real problem. That is to say, the
grabby
Did I read on the AMA that Charlie is a single speed with very long chain stays?
Max
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Ok, let's roll that out. I had a frame with braze-ons for Paul Centerpulls so I
bought them and they worked great. But there was all that business with cable
hangers and stops and I don't think they worked any better than v-brakes.
What's the benefit? It's not a sarcastic question, I genuinely
I agree about cantos mostly, but I have been very impressed by the stopping
power of the Mafac centerpulls on my Waterford with a Terraferma fork.
Centerpulls are easy to set up, but it does complicate front rackage.
YMMV.
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> On Dec 20, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
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I insisted my custom have no added bits for cantis, which are a gigantic pain
to set up with no appreciable braking or aesthetic improvement over v-brakes.
Gimme strong simple brakes and tire clearance all day long, if I need more
brake I'll buy a bike with discs.
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The gung-ho fasten-ation with v-brakes and no rear brake bridge for
cantilevers . all I can say is roll-of-the-eyes sheesh !
On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:29:19 PM UTC-5, Eamon Nordquist wrote:
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> Another quote from Grant’s reddit ama:
> “The next one is Charlie H. Gallop, and it's
Another quote from Grant’s reddit ama:
“The next one is Charlie H. Gallop, and it's a high-clearance, v-braked roadish
bike that'll fit to 50mm.”
Eamon
Seattle
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The file name is "charlie_for_blahg".
On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 6:27:35 PM UTC-6, Paul M wrote:
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> Grant's blog (blahg) early November No. 30 starts off with a partial
> schematic of a frame design that isn't labeled but looks like part
> Roadini/Clem/Suzie Longbolt. The top tube
During his recent xbiking AMA on Reddit, Grant replied to a comment about
quickbeams (and single speed fork ends) that the commentor will probably like
the new bike Rivendell is designing.
It would make sense for Rivendell to release a singlespeed with the “new” Riv
geometry. It’s been a while
Grant's blog (blahg) early November No. 30 starts off with a partial
schematic of a frame design that isn't labeled but looks like part
Roadini/Clem/Suzie Longbolt. The top tube attaches higher up on the seat
tube than the Suzie and the wheels show 700c x 2.0. With the lack of being
able to
Unless designed around some leftover Appaloosa... or Sam forks! I’m of course
joking, but you never know...
Come to think of it, wasn’t Roman’s Med Rosco Mtn Mixte 650b but with an
Appaloosa crown? I know Will’s Huge version was a Hunq fork but wonder if that
Med was a one-off fork? Sorry,
I think it'd look like a Rosco Bubbe Road, except 650b in the smaller sizes
because it won't have been designed around leftover SimpleOne forks.
On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 9:11:29 AM UTC-4, Timothy Hurley wrote:
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> “Mix of Roadinni and Clem” sounds very interesting. What do you all think
Not sure what it will look like (other than a bike) but it sounds like
"Clemeeni."
But the Bombora has 73 degree seat tube and 42.5cm chainstay and even the
Roadini is slacker and longer, so a love child will presumably have at
least those numbers, with some additional DNA influence from the
"Sounds like a tigged Sam with longer chainstays."
Which would be a Clem with a shorter toptube for dropbars. Makes sense.
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Sounds like a tigged Sam with longer chainstays.
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“Mix of Roadinni and Clem” sounds very interesting. What do you all think that
would look like? Something like a rim brake Crust Bombora?
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Yup, I think the future for Riv is in fillet frames with a seat lug. I'm ok
with this, but I say so as a guy getting a fully lugged custom. I'm making sure
I get my lugs now!
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Especially when they have to develop a new lug set for the bike. Of
course, what with their lug maker leaving the business and the MIT
frames, there may be less of that in future.
On 9/22/19 9:26 AM, Austin B. wrote:
I don't have any familiarity with product development costs in the
bike
According to Austin’s chart I have a good selection - a Noodle bar Roadini, a
Cheviot with Chocos and an Appaloosa that I have just put Bullmoose bars on. My
low end, can carry medium loads bike is an old Scott aluminum hybrid that I
rebuilt with a Velocity wheelset and Riv drivetrain for a
I don't see a difference between core products and niche as it concerns frames
with Riv: They're too small for the whole thing to not be a niche. Within that
niche I perceive RBW bikes as analogous to Harley-Davidson, where you have a
base idea of what the bike should be, then build various
Sounds like Austin nailed it with his empty slot there
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I asked Grant about the Charlie H Gallop yesterday and he was happy to
answer any questions about it, saying that it would be a blend of Roadini
and Clem, sold as a complete bike.
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 5:18:23 PM UTC-7, John G. wrote:
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> The September email update teases a new
Fullylugged wrote: "They usually kill off their best sellers in order to
produce something more obscure that only the true faithful will find
desirable."
This is where I find myself scratching my head. I don't work in the bike
industry, but I do work in product and have marketing experience. I
Bill Lindsay wrote: "I think Rivendell miscalculated what many people want."
This happens ALL THE TIME. RBW makes bikes that GP thinks are "smart",
"interesting", "useful" or somehow cooler than what the riding public actually
wants. They usually kill off their best sellers in order to
I would prefer fillet brazing -- with a lugged fork crown of course -- over
TIG or a TIG/lugged combo. Those old Ritcheys have a nice, clean look. Not
sure how the costs work out.
Seems quite a few of us would like a level (ish) top tube, but I doubt that
will happen. Understandable.
Super
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say. I was totally smitten when
the Kirk Precision came out back in the day. They don't make milk crates out of
magnesium, do they? If the Charlie J Gallop is just as much off the wall as the
Kirk, I'm all for it.
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I think that was made of magnesium or something very brittle. Only a few
were made, most broke. Unless I have it confused with another bike. Though
that would take some effort.
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:51:57 PM UTC-4, Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at
Looks like someone melted and reshaped a milk crate into a bicycle frame.
On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 7:51:57 PM UTC-5, Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>> Truss Bike!
>
>
> Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
>
>
FINALLY! A bike to carry my laundry detergent!
On Fri, Sep 20, 2019 at 8:52 PM Brewster Fong wrote:
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>
> On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 3:20:01 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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>> Truss Bike!
>
>
> Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
>
> [image: Image result for kirk precision bicycle]
>
>
Yes that is indeed atrocious, but I meant THIS truss bike. Which kinda uses the
"rainbow" Riv puts on some big bikes.
https://antbikemike.wordpress.com/
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> Truss Bike!
Maybe the ugliest bike ever made
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Lug-less, maybe. But the latest offerings are fillet-brazed, a horse of a
different color than tig-welded frames. And true to the construction of
some of the earliest Hillibikes, especially those made by T. Ritchey, I
believe Grant owned one at some point. His might have been a road though,
In light if recent events I have to wonder if we are looking at the dawn of a
new Rivendell; one were all of the standard frames will be TIG welded? (Lug
less)?
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Ed C. wrote:...* like you all I'm struggling to figure out what niche it
would fill amongst their offerings.*
While it may or may be perceived as filling a niche, I don't think that
matters. It's a bicycle design that was considered interesting or worthy
enough by the designer or designers to
> "This is part of the reason I would not sully a nice bike with a motor;"
Thanks for nailing that for me, masmojo. I had been side-eying my Clem for
motor, and now realize that's the reason why my lizard brain didn't want me
to do it.
I wouldn't want the CHG to be an e-bike (just to loop back
On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 2:17:31 PM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
> This is always fun as however the new bikes look they all ride like a
> Rivendell .. like every Horse gallops ! Hee - Haw !
Not many of us can be as observant and profound as you, Garth. Thanks for
sharing your insight!
This is always fun as however the new bikes look they all ride like a
Rivendell .. like every Horse gallops ! Hee - Haw !
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Yes, I think insta-ready all-road bikes have been *en vogue* for several
years, and a 28mm-tired bike called "Roadini" isn't that, even if
UltraRomance rides one.
On Wednesday, September 18, 2019 at 11:31:57 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
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> Yeah, I was disheartened to hear that the Roadini didn't
"...were "wow, everyone should have one of these " and "hmmm. . . I wish I was
riding a real bike" it's the sort of contradiction that only a dedicated
cyclist would think of."
Yep, I have both. I did a nice loop on the RANS/Copenhagen Tuesday, then a
shorter shop-and-ride on my Bike Friday
Joe, I think what you are talking about is Apple's vs. Oranges in the Ebike
sphere. I guess technically it's still an Ebike, but it's different at the same
time. Which kinda goes back to what I said about regular bikes and Ebikes
diverging.
The "Ebike" is evolving so fast and the bikes and
What an ebike is depends massively on which one you're riding and what it's
for. My current ride is a RANS Crank Forward with a Copenhagen Wheel which is
shortly to be transferred to a Riv A/R. This is pedal assist only - no throttle
- and freewheels well enough to be run some miles at 0
Mark, I would be inclined to agree that the ebike has a lot in common with a
scooter, moped, et. Al., and riding one initially will only encourage that
notion, but prolonged exposure reinforces it's bicycleness.
My take on the whole thing now with 800 miles on mine is that (for me anyway)
Just to be clear about what I wrote, I don't consider the fact that some
Riv models have overlapping designs to be a drawback. Not at all. But it
can pose challenges in terms of marketing.
On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 6:54:41 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
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> I think at this point the
I think at this point the Rivendell design tenets have such a strong
gravitational pull that many of the models have more similarities than
differences. I see the Roadini more as a sportier, tigged version of the
AHH, with seat and head tube angles ever so slightly steeper, chainstays
ever so
I think Roadini was too close to other Rivs with more tire clearance and
stronger canti/v-brakes. If you were looking at one it was hard not to just go
with a Clem or one of the fully lugged bikes instead. A true TIG-ed Roadeo
(read: level toptube, thin tubing) clone would sell better, IMO.
Yeah, I was disheartened to hear that the Roadini didn't sell very well. I
think everyone should have zippy but comfy 32mm tire road bike in their
stable, and the Roadini seems to fit the bill. I wonder if people talked
themselves out of buying because of the sloping top tube or the perceived
I agree with Grant here that any object with a 750-watt motor is not a
bike, even with an "e" in the front. I'm not making a judgement about their
merits, just saying they are more related to scooters, mopeds and small
motorcycles than to two-wheeled human-powered vehicles, aka bikes or
Yes, I agree. Large selection these days, as well.
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> On Sep 17, 2019, at 8:08 AM, masmojo wrote:
>
> I've got an E-bike & seeing as the whole bike cost about the same as my
> Clementine; there's hardly reason enough to buy a Rivendell and electrify it;
> cheaper just to
Well I'm not arguing which is most cost effective. You said a dedicated ebike
"will work better" and that very much depends on what each rider needs from an
ebike. Also, I said I disagree with your opinion, which doesn't make either of
us right, we just have different views on the priorities of
Not to get too far OT, Joe I hear what you are saying, but it goes beyond
cleaness of the build. Love my Clementine, but if I was to attach the 750watt
motor off my Rad Power, no doubt it would be too much! Other things just make
it impossible to consider a conversion over a dedicated Ebike.
Rob Kristoff asked:
Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?
Yes, it was meant to be the road version of a Clem and it successfully was
that, in my opinion and experience. I think Rivendell miscalculated what
many people want. Many people want a cheap racing bike. The
Wasn't the Roadini meant to be the road version of a Clem?
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Might as well go for low trail and a skinny thin top tube while you're at
it !;^)
On Tuesday, September 17, 2019 at 6:44:13 PM UTC-4, Andrew Turner wrote:
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> I would also love if it was a dedicated 650b frameset. Perhaps even a
> direct mount centerbrake design!
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> On Wednesday, September
I would also love if it was a dedicated 650b frameset. Perhaps even a
direct mount centerbrake design!
On Wednesday, September 11, 2019 at 7:18:23 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
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> The September email update teases a new bike: the Charlie H Gallop.
> PREDICTIONS! GO!
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> Mine: MIT lugged road-ish
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