[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[maxcr]

The proto-appa lives!

https://bikepacking.com/news/readers-rig-tims-rivendell-protovelo/

Really cool to see all the different versions of an awesome and versatile 
bike! Very nice Tim.

Max

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4 Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:

> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 
>
> That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
> have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
> his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
> ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
> it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
> Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
> with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
> comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
> fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
> will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
> dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
> riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
> the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
> etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
> my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
> fun! 
>
> The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely 
> get some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
> stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim O.
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
>> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
>> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
>> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
>> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
>> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
>> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
>> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
>> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
>> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
>> shorter bike is easier. 
>> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
>> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
>> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
>> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
>> ride smoother. 
>>
>> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
>> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
>> trail shredding
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Joe Bernard]

There's also the matter of looks, color, name and maybe just wanting to try 
something different. It's a thing!  

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[masmojo]

Well it is a smaller frame likely doesn't have the double top tube so it should 
feel lighter. The longer chainstays do give the bike a springy feel.
That's the magic of Rivendell!

It kinda reminds me of a friend of mine many years ago who worked in a high end 
stero store, when I asked him about Bose speakers, he said "did you ever notice 
how Bose doesn't list the frequency response of their speakers" mainly because 
they really did concentrate on frequency response, but the overall balance of 
the sound. Most people find extreme highs irritating and don't care much about 
extreme lows.

All modern Rivendells are about balance, not the highs and lows! It's a product 
that is so unto itself that it defies comparison to anything else.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Jeremy,

I've got a 58 Hunq and my wife has the 55 Appaloosa. I started this thread 
to see if anyone has experience with a larger Appaloosa because I was so 
surprised when I rode her App for about an hour how much livelier and 
supple it felt compared to my Hunq (one of the first generation grey/maroon 
ones). I thought maybe because it was a smaller frame?  But others that 
have responded seem to have felt the same thing. My Hunq is noticeably 
heavier and just FEELS heavier riding it compared to my wife's Appaloosa. I 
don't know about the tubes, but it sure seems that the Appaloosa either has 
lighter tubes or the longer chain stays contribute to the significantly 
different feel. A clydesdale vs a gazelle difference almost.  Not good vs 
bad, just different.

Gary

On Wednesday, July 22, 2020 at 10:51:13 AM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Masmojo, can you point to a source that describes the tubing differences 
> you mention? Or is it something you experienced from riding both? I've been 
> following Riv bikes pretty closely since the Hunqapillar came out and don't 
> remember such differences being mentioned, but I could have missed it.
>
> I've got an interest in this thread as I have a Clem H which I've ridden 
> as an off-road bike for the last 4 years or so, and honestly it's the best 
> bike in terms of ride quality I've ever owned. I've got a chronic case of 
> upgrade-itis, however, and I've wondered if an Appaloosa or used Hunq would 
> fit the bill. Given how smooth the Clem rides I'd want to make sure its 
> replacement shared its ride quality. I've never ridden a Hunq but I did 
> work on a couple of Waterford built Bombadils and I remember them being way 
> stout. I had an opportunity to buy an Appaloosa frame locally but it had 
> less tire clearance than the Clem and it would have been a tight fit with 
> my preferred tires.
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

   Back in 2013, I test rode an Appaloosa prototype while waiting for my 
Hunqapillar to be made. I didn't pick it up to feel its weight compared to 
the demo Hunqapillars at Riv, but it did ride much differently than the 
Hunqapillar. The longer chains stays give the ride a much different feel. I 
liked it, but I don't remember wishing I could have ordered it instead of 
the Hunqapillar. Some people really love the longer chain stay Rivendells, 
but I didn't think Riv bikes needed a smoother ride.

   I really liked the feel of the Hunqapillar, and it already had that 
Rivendell touring bicycle geometry. It felt perfect to me. I think the 
Hunqapillar has more trail than other Riv models, more wheel flop, but it 
never bothered me. As far as the weight of my 54cm Hunq goes, I carry it up 
the stairs to our 3rd floor apartment without any problem when the elevator 
breaks down. If I had purchased a longer chain stay Rivendell, it wouldn't 
fit in my elevator (it's a tiny elevator), and would stick out to the sides 
a bit more on my bike rack, and be a bit less manageable on trains.

   But I have absolutely no idea what *you* would think if you could ride 
the Hunq & Appaloosa back to back.

Here's what the Rivendell catalog said about the Hunqapillar when I ordered 
it in Dec. 2012:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hunqapillar.htm

YMMV,

John

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned both, the Hunqapillar was a stout trail bike and did not feel 
appreciably lighter than an Appaloosa to me. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[masmojo]

The Appaloosa would be a definite upgrade over the Clem.

I think if you went through the Blug and the Blagh for the last 2 or 3 years, 
you would find something.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[masmojo]

I think Rivendell uses what they refer to as "Silver" tubing in their current 
lineup of overseas manufactured frames. As far as I  know this steel is 
possibly sourced from one or more manufacturers (True Temper?). Perfectly 
adequate I'm sure, but older US made frames were made with more common popular 
tube sets (likely Reynolds). Problem is one or more of these companies stopped 
producing steel tubes for bike frames.

Then their lug maker shut down.

Someone could probably lend some more details, it's one of those things that I 
read and it barely  registers so my recollection of it is not too good.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Jeremy Till]

Masmojo, can you point to a source that describes the tubing differences you 
mention? Or is it something you experienced from riding both? I've been 
following Riv bikes pretty closely since the Hunqapillar came out and don't 
remember such differences being mentioned, but I could have missed it.

I've got an interest in this thread as I have a Clem H which I've ridden as an 
off-road bike for the last 4 years or so, and honestly it's the best bike in 
terms of ride quality I've ever owned. I've got a chronic case of upgrade-itis, 
however, and I've wondered if an Appaloosa or used Hunq would fit the bill. 
Given how smooth the Clem rides I'd want to make sure its replacement shared 
its ride quality. I've never ridden a Hunq but I did work on a couple of 
Waterford built Bombadils and I remember them being way stout. I had an 
opportunity to buy an Appaloosa frame locally but it had less tire clearance 
than the Clem and it would have been a tight fit with my preferred tires.

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[masmojo]

You could talk about fit and ride quality, yadda. Yadda, yadda . . .
At the end of the day the main difference would be cost. The Hunqapillar being 
made domestically, one at a time & the Appaloosa being made overseas in batches 
(and limited frame sizes)
Additionally, I don't know the current situation, but early Hunqapillars would 
have been made of a better quality tubing and be quite a bit lighter than an 
Appaloosa. 
It's all academic though, seeing as old Hunqs are rarely sold and they've been 
replaced by the new "hilly bikes"

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ryan, thanks for the Hunq brochure - I'd not see that before.And I do LOVE 
the head badge!  I agree that the App feels a bit lighter and more roadish, 
while the Hunq feels just rock solid. I'm not sure what MUP riding is :) 
but I'm definitely not doing loaded touring on trails any time soon.  And 
yes, another bike is always the answer!

Chris, the Hunq feels much more stout to me than the App.

Andrew, my PBH is 91 and I'm pretty sure a 62 Hunq would be too tall, even 
tho I've got my seat set with lots of post showing. I didn't realize that 
the 62 App had more clearance. I'm using Albastache bars with a dirt drop 
stem on the Hunq and the reach is great. How do you think that would that 
work on your App? I'd be interested to see a pic of your bike so I can see 
where your seat is set. What is your PBH?

Thanks again everyone,
Gary



On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 6:38:23 PM UTC-4, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
> know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
> 55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
> bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
> and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
> EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
> but it really didn't make much difference.
>
> So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
> Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
> in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
> imagining the difference??
>
> Thanks for any input you have!
>
> Gary
> Asheville,NC
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Andrew Stevens]

How tall is your PBH? I'm 5'10 w an abnormally high PBH, and am riding a 62 
Appaloosa. I can stand flat footed over it with Thunder Burts, but have 
some 2.1 Scwhalbe Slicks that make it a bit tall. The ride quality is 
"Centaur-like" by my accounting: very relaxed long and stable feeling rear 
triangle, with a more traditional road/sport touring front end. I have it 
set up 1x8 with a 11-36 tooth cassette in the back and Billie bars and I am 
*never* out of my seat, even on steep climbs. 

>From my research, including that pamphlet Ryan M shared, one would 
typically size up in Appaloosas, as opposed to riding the same size: the 
standover is comparable between a 58 Hunq and a 62 App, but the reach is 
much longer on the App, hence Billie bars. I rode it on the decomposed 
granite trail in Austin quite a bit, and it "planed" in a way I couldn't 
have expected. I also rode it off road a bit, but found the standover 
frightening when I had to dismount on uneven ground.

All in all, I was quickly enamored with the solid and smooth ride quality 
of the Appaloosa. However, I am selling it soon (I have another touring 
bike thats a little more updated,) and I am looking for a 58 Hunq, so if 
you (or anyone on the list) would care to trade/buy, let me know

Cheers
Andrew

On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:38:23 PM UTC-5, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
> know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
> 55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
> bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
> and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
> EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
> but it really didn't make much difference.
>
> So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
> Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
> in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
> imagining the difference??
>
> Thanks for any input you have!
>
> Gary
> Asheville,NC
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs Appaloosa ride quality?

[Chris L]

I would love to ride a 54 Hunqapillar and a 55 Appaloosa, set up 
identically, back to back.  I've compared the geometry charts and the only 
real difference is the chainstay length of the Appaloosa.  I have an image 
in my mind of how the Appaloosa would ride and it's a smoother, more stable 
version of my Hunqapillar.  

I've never seen the tubing specs for the Hunqapillar but Will gave me the 
tubing specs for the Appaloosa (don't know which size) and there were 
several "1.x" tube thicknesses in there.  I don't think the Hunqapillar is 
that stout.  



On Sunday, July 19, 2020 at 5:38:23 PM UTC-5, Gary L wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm looking for opinions about the ride of a 58 Hunq vs a 58 Appaloosa. I 
> know that is pretty specific, but here's why. I just finished building up a 
> 55 Appaloosa for my wife and we were on a ride this weekend where we traded 
> bikes. Both of us remarked that the Appa felt much more lively, smoother, 
> and lighter than the Hunq. Seeing how her bike has the awesome 55mm Compass 
> EL tires, I traded wheels to see if that would account for the difference, 
> but it really didn't make much difference.
>
> So before I start thinking about replacing my beloved grey/kidney bean 
> Hunq with an Appaloosa I thought I'd reach out and see if anyone else out 
> in Riv land has had experience with both, ideally in my 58 size. Am I just 
> imagining the difference??
>
> Thanks for any input you have!
>
> Gary
> Asheville,NC
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Patrick Moore]

Very interesting. I'm not at all saying someone shouldn't prefer this wheel
size to another, but I will put forth my own experience: I ride very light
559 wheels on the road (370 gram rims, 175 gram tires -- these are Ksyrium
weight - Ksyrium ,since those were the last hot rod wheelset I bothered to
compare to) and segue very easily to 29er wheels on my Matthews, though
admittedly, my Velocity Blunt SSes are road rim light, and the 360 gram F
Freds, tubeless, are road tire light. I never had a problem transitioning
from the 559 road wheels to my 800 gram Snocat Sls and my 800 gram Big
Apple Liteskins.

On Sat, Aug 5, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Justin, Oakland 
wrote:

> 650b would be my deciding factor as well. At a 5'11 ish guy I hate the
> feeling of my 29er (so much I converted to B plus!) and the "tall" feeling
> on 700c bikes.
>
> Gimme that sweet spot in the middle.
>
> -Justin
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Justin, Oakland]

650b would be my deciding factor as well. At a 5'11 ish guy I hate the feeling 
of my 29er (so much I converted to B plus!) and the "tall" feeling on 700c 
bikes. 

Gimme that sweet spot in the middle. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Surlyprof]

Michele,

My riding sounds very similar to yours.  I do it all on a 56 
canti-Hillborne which I think is great for the roads and lighter trails, 
but becomes less desirable as things get rough and technical.  Part of that 
is the lighter, more flexible build (country bike vs mountain bike), part 
of it is due to the lower bottom bracket and part of it is due to the wheel 
size (for me).  Ever since I tried out a 650b Clem at Riv HQ, I felt that 
650b is the perfect wheel size for someone of my size.  I am 5'10", 165# 
and 86 pbh.  Something about 650b felt like the perfect blend of stable and 
nimble.  The 700c wheels on the Hillborne feel great on the road but feel a 
little cumbersome on trails.  Additionally, I used to ride 26" wheeled MTBs 
and always found them to be a little twitchy.  With all this in mind, I 
have convinced myself that a 650b Hunq would be my dream bike (although I'd 
be hard pressed to ever let my Hillborne go).  For me, that would be the 
decisive issue.  Although the Appaloosa rode like a dream, the Hunq can be 
had in 650b.  The 56cm demo at Riv HQ right is drool-worthy!

Either way, you can't go wrong.  Both great bikes.
John

On Friday, August 4, 2017 at 12:05:02 PM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick and others for the feedback -- it's enormously 
> helpful! Right now my riding is mostly paved and dirt trails with some big 
> hills and occasional rougher trails mixed in, but over time that may change 
> to add some commuting and light touring. I definitely want the option of 
> larger tires for comfort and some off road capability, but I also want the 
> bike to feel fun and spirited. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> What type of riding do you do? In general, because of the cost and wait 
>> time deltas you mention, the Appaloosa would be my default, with the sole 
>> exception of if you are going to do a LOT of single track and/or 
>> bikepacking on single track, where the beefier frame and slightly shorter 
>> chain stays shine. I have a Hunqapillar and essentially everything I can do 
>> on it I believe I could do on the Appaloosa equally well (and perhaps 
>> better for a large chunk because of the longer chain stays. I ride unloaded 
>> and loaded on paved, dirt, and single track and love it.
>>
>> In essence, you can only go right with either choice!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:56:36 AM UTC-6, Michele wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Marc Irwin]

I love my Hunq, that's really all I got.

Marc

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[iamkeith]

I dont think anybody suggested this yet but if, and ONLY if, one of the Clem 
Smith Jr. frames fit you well, that could be a best of both worlds option.  It 
has the longer top tube similar to the hunq. (better for flat or swept back bar 
options, less toe overlap issues if riding on trails or slow speeds, and more 
confident steep, rough descents because endos are less likely), with long 
chainstays like the joe (stability, comfort, better climbing on smooth - as 
opposed to rough or technical - trails).

Best of all, it has the same or even better tire clearance than the hunq. That 
(plus the fact that i had one on order from the overlapping anouncement and 
presale) is what is important to me and kept me from buying a joe when THEY 
were announced. I really like the ability to use a 2.3 to 2.5" tire AND 
fenders, and don't see a downside to them.  I think the joe could fit without 
fenders but would be really tight even then.

I really like the long chainstays, but part of that may be because i have many 
bikes at the opposite extreme, and enjoy the variety.  I wouldn't call the clem 
"spirited," but it is shockingly fast compared to what you would expect.  Kind 
of like a speed skate compared to a hockey skate, with the long front AND long 
rear, all effort seems to be translated to forward motion.  Standing and 
rocking the bike in a sprint feels a bit awkward and doesn't really work, but 
that's the only time i wish it felt quicker or more "spirited," and that may be 
a bit of a false sacrifice anyway.

The recent newsletter seemed to suggest (without offering explanation), that 
production of the clems is coming to an end, in case that is a motivator.

All that said, I'm planning on trading my clem for a hunquapillar as soon as i 
can afford it.  As Garth said, your absolute #1 criteria should be fit, and it 
will trump (gotta find a replacement term here... supercede? override?) all 
other details or deficiencies if you get a good one.  I happen to fall squarely 
between sizes on both the clem snd joe (along with most newer riv models), and 
everything is a compromise.  However - at least at this moment in time - the 
Hunq is offered in many sizes, just like the older models were, one of which 
should fit anyone very well.  Also, the 2017 size additions have slightly 
longer chainstays than the older ones.  FWIW.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Michele]

Thanks Patrick and others for the feedback -- it's enormously 
helpful! Right now my riding is mostly paved and dirt trails with some big 
hills and occasional rougher trails mixed in, but over time that may change 
to add some commuting and light touring. I definitely want the option of 
larger tires for comfort and some off road capability, but I also want the 
bike to feel fun and spirited. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:11:53 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> What type of riding do you do? In general, because of the cost and wait 
> time deltas you mention, the Appaloosa would be my default, with the sole 
> exception of if you are going to do a LOT of single track and/or 
> bikepacking on single track, where the beefier frame and slightly shorter 
> chain stays shine. I have a Hunqapillar and essentially everything I can do 
> on it I believe I could do on the Appaloosa equally well (and perhaps 
> better for a large chunk because of the longer chain stays. I ride unloaded 
> and loaded on paved, dirt, and single track and love it.
>
> In essence, you can only go right with either choice!
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:56:36 AM UTC-6, Michele wrote:
>>
>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Michele]

Hey Stuart, can you explain a little more about your wheel size 
preferences? I noticed that Riv seems to change wheel size based on frame 
size, presumably to keep proportions. I also know there's a trend toward 
29ers but you seem to prefer the smaller wheel. Just wondering why, that 
is, how does it affect your ride?

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:17:35 AM UTC-7, Stuart Lovinggood wrote:
>
> I tried both on my visit to HQ, and ended up with an Appaloosa almost 
> entirely because it was cheaper. Not that I couldn't save up for the Hunq 
> but it's more money than I'm comfortable sinking into a bike at my station 
> in life. But the Hunq had something in the ride quality that was doing it 
> for me. It reminded me of my Bridgestone MB, which is an amazingly comfy 
> bike in my mind. 
>
> Worth noting that if you are a taller person, you won't be able to hop on 
> the 650b train on an Appaloosa. Hunqs can be ordered up to 59 size with 
> 650b wheels. I ride 29x2.1 on my Joe and it's is a lot of tire to be 
> pushing around everywhere I go. Like I said, I really like riding 26" on my 
> MB-5. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Thanks! It's a custom frame bag that my mom made for me. She's the coolest. 
:)

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:46:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to 
> rear!
>
> Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just serendipity?
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
> timothyc...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 
>>
>> That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
>> have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
>> his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
>> ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
>> it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
>> Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
>> with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
>> comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
>> fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
>> will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
>> dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
>> riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
>> the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
>> etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
>> my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
>> fun! 
>>
>> The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely 
>> get some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
>> stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Tim O.
>> Portland, OR
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>>
>>> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq 
>>> was the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
>>> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and 
>>> was willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer 
>>> bike for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
>>> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
>>> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
>>> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
>>> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
>>> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
>>> shorter bike is easier. 
>>> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
>>> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
>>> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
>>> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
>>> ride smoother. 
>>>
>>> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
>>> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
>>> trail shredding
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:

 Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd 
 love some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more 
 expensive and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each 
 frame shine? What would make you choose one over the other?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Patrick Moore]

About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to
rear!

Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just serendipity?

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in!
>
> That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might
> have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought
> his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever
> ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take
> it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a
> Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it
> with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY
> comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just
> fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You
> will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have
> dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my
> riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend
> the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute,
> etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with
> my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So
> fun!
>
> The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely
> get some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will
> stand out for lots of other reasons too. :)
>
> Cheers,
> Tim O.
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>>
>> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was
>> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot.
>> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was
>> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike
>> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq.
>> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and
>> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I
>> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far
>> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a
>> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a
>> shorter bike is easier.
>> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and
>> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or
>> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely
>> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will
>> ride smoother.
>>
>> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy
>> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for
>> trail shredding
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>>
>>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love
>>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive
>>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine?
>>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in! 

That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might 
have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought 
his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever 
ridden a Hunqapillar, but if anyone in Portland has a 62cm I'd love to take 
it for a spin! The bike I own is basically Appaloosa geometry with a 
Hunqapillar fork and diagatube. So far, I've mostly been commuting on it 
with a few mini-tours on mixed road/gravel here in Oregon. Its VERY 
comfortable. I was able to ride some rough gravel roads and you can just 
fly on descents. It feels like you're floating through all the bumps. You 
will notice that it takes a little extra leaning for tight corners. I have 
dreams of riding more singletrack, but I know the vast majority of my 
riding will be on the road or fire roads. Overall, I'd definitely recommend 
the Appaloosa if you're looking for an all-arounder (tour, gravel, commute, 
etc.). Here's a picture of the ride Kurt was referring to that I did with 
my son: https://www.instagram.com/p/BXLg4k-BB32/?taken-by=hunqaloosa So 
fun! 

The long chain stays tend to draw attention of others, so you'll likely get 
some comments and need to explain things for people. But the bike will 
stand out for lots of other reasons too. :) 

Cheers,
Tim O.
Portland, OR

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:09:02 PM UTC-7, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
> the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
> I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
> willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
> for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
> I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
> loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
> think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
> the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
> bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
> shorter bike is easier. 
> If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and 
> base my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or 
> fire roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely 
> hitting rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will 
> ride smoother. 
>
> The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
> the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
> trail shredding
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>>
>> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
>> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
>> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
>> What would make you choose one over the other?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Kevin Lindsey]

I have a 54 cm Hunqapillar and carry the big Ortlieb bags on a Nitto Big 
Back rack.  My heels don't come anywhere near the bags.
Kevin

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:01:08 PM UTC-4, J Imler wrote:
>
> Would anyone speak to heel clearance on the Hunq? I've got a rear rack 
> with side Wald baskets on my App and there's no issue at all with heel rub. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Kurt Manley]

I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was 
the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot. 
I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was 
willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike 
for more agility so I went with the shorter Hunq. 
I sold my Proto to a fellow lister and he puts his kid on the back and 
loads the front with his camping gear and rides around Oregon like that. I 
think it's the perfect bike for what he's doing. The longer bike was by far 
the most stable, comfortable bike I have ever ridden but that did make it a 
bit harder to maneuver through rough stuff off road. I still did it but a 
shorter bike is easier. 
If it were me I'd figure out what type of riding I'd be doing most and base 
my decision on that. If you're doing rides that are mostly pavement or fire 
roads the Appaloosa is probably they way to go. If you're routinely hitting 
rougher singletrack the the Hunq might be your bike. The Appa will ride 
smoother. 

The Hunq is no mountain bike though, it's fairly capable but I might buy 
the Appa and spend the money I saved on a Karate Monkey or similar for 
trail shredding


On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

Wider tires.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[drew]

In that situation, what would the hunq offer that the Joe doesn't? 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Jay Connolly]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
> No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight 
> front Grant.
> 
> If the trails are light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would be fine. I 
> like the widest possible tires for rough trails. On a recent camping trip, I 
> took the Appaloosa and suffered a little over about 10km of rocky trails. I 
> should have dropped the pressure in the tires, which would have improved 
> things, but a genuine MTB would have been a better choice for the day. If 
> that sort of riding (rough, rocky trails) will be rare for you, the Joe will 
> be just fine. If it's more regular, then I'd go with the Hunq.
> 
> Jay

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Joe Bernard]

I hadn't read that about the fork, but interesting if true. The one thing that 
seemed slightly out of place to me on my joe was the slender-looking fork on 
such a stout frame. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Deacon Patrick]

To be clear on the chain stay length difference between the two effecting 
trail riding, of the 50 miles or so of single track I ride regularly, I'd 
say there are about ten spots of technical rocks and/or roots that a longer 
chain stay would make (I imagine) challenging. Say 30 feet of trail per 
spot, so it would effect a tenth of a percent of my trail riding. I'd call 
that a non-factor. That's roughly the amount of extra trail I have to walk 
instead of ride because I'm running Snoqualmie tires instead of Racing 
Ralphs, and I happily do that till winter (which arrives in September here. 
Grin.) 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Andrew Huston]

"Lastly,  If like me, you have more idealistic views of your riding than 
actual, id recommend rectifying the two before purchasing"  
   as quoted by Drew above, is advice I needed a long time ago. Many bikes were 
bought and sold before my Appaloosa. I wish it were more trail oriented 
personally. The long wait time on the hunq seems it may make the decision 
easier. Didn't a recent email state that no new orders were being taken due to 
long backups for Atlantis/hunqs?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[adam leibow]

I have a hunqapillar and I really like it but I do really enjoy the larger 
size and long chainstays of my cheviot. So maybe if I were to do it all 
over again I would just get the Appaloosa in a larger size and be done wit 
it. 

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Appaloosa was definately described as being in between the Hunqapillar 
and the Hillborne and the Appaloosa brochure states it's almost a clone of 
the Atlantis, with a few geometry differences.  I do remember reading that 
the 2017 Appaloosas have a heavier fork than the 2016 models.  I think it's 
equal to an Atlantis.

Having said all that, I'm working on the same Hunq vs Appaloosa decision so 
I e-mailed Riv and the tubes on the Appaloosa were much stouter than I 
expected, based on the descriptions I had seen.  I don't remember the 
numbers but the tubes were thicker than .9/.6/.9.   I assume the tubes are 
Oversize.

I think it's fair to say the Appaloosa is quite stout and I doubt it gives 
up much to the Hunqapillar in durability or stiffness. 


On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 3:44:44 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> I believe that the Appaloosa started as a middle ground between hunq and 
> hillborne, but by the time it was made it had been made burlier and lies 
> between a hunq and an Atlantis. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Garth]

 Which-ever one fit me best.  As for intended use, it's a bike, it rides 
just like a bike, and it IS a Bike !   Whoa  Yes !  They both go 
anywhere you go, I mean, the bike doesn't ride itself does it ?  

Does the bike say  " I don't really want to go on that trail today< I 
might get dirty and I just showered  I don't like that road riding 
thing with *those *tires, they are so not me  .. those tires make me 
look fat . those bars make me look like a dork with wings . "  You 
know, stuff like that ? 

smile ! 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Philip Kim]

more road/dirt roads - appaloosa

more rougher single track, heavier loading - hunqapillar

even if I were 51% pavement and 49% dirt, i would choose the appaloosa. it 
can fit a pretty big tire.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Appaloosa?

[Deacon Patrick]

What type of riding do you do? In general, because of the cost and wait 
time deltas you mention, the Appaloosa would be my default, with the sole 
exception of if you are going to do a LOT of single track and/or 
bikepacking on single track, where the beefier frame and slightly shorter 
chain stays shine. I have a Hunqapillar and essentially everything I can do 
on it I believe I could do on the Appaloosa equally well (and perhaps 
better for a large chunk because of the longer chain stays. I ride unloaded 
and loaded on paved, dirt, and single track and love it.

In essence, you can only go right with either choice!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 11:56:36 AM UTC-6, Michele wrote:
>
> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love 
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive 
> and has a longer wait time, but functionally, where does each frame shine? 
> What would make you choose one over the other?
>

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