Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Rene Valbuena
A. Homer Hilsen 72 -Original Message- >From: CycloFiend >Sent: Feb 4, 2010 3:18 PM >To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com >Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general.. > >on 2/4/10 8:28 AM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> TCO

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread cyclotourist
27;s why i don't reply to any all topics here;-) if > grant did not start the thread, who did? isn't it if your name is on top of > the topic or the first one, it is considered that you started the topic? -- > rene > > > > > > -Original Message- > >

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 12:49 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: > Not to offend anybody, but my personal opinion is that TCO is a sign > of weak character and moral failing. Weak character on the part of the frame builder and designer, right? -- You received this message because you are

RE: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Frederick, Steve
CycloFiend wrote, in part: >I think GP's post was a new thread to comment about a previous thread. >Nevertheless, I do want to remind folks that if they want to communicate >with Rivendell on any subject, the best way if directly. (Or cc them on the >email with a note explaining why.) This list is

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread james black
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:00, Brad Gantt wrote: > I will admit that I simply do not understand the sentiment that > TCO is an "offense". I believe that word choice is inflammatory and > honestly insulting to the designers and builders of these bicycles. I > also admit that I cannot understand the

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread CycloFiend
on 2/4/10 8:28 AM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote: > TCO is a problem to me which I have learned to live with with all the > Rivendell models I have owned. But this does not leave me less > sensitive to GP's choice of words on this matter either. I hope > Rivendell Bicycle Works will put out

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread james black
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:42, james black wrote: > This is directed to Brad and Patrick: is there really a need to be so > condescending? You don't mind TCO, fine. Please don't insult those of > us who do. And by the way - I joined in this discussion not because it gives me pleasure to fight with

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread james black
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:34, Brad Gantt wrote: > This has gotten ridiculous. Grant's post ended with an expression of > concern that he shouldn't have said anything. I imagine it might be a > bit before he does again and I for one find that unfortunate. > TCO is an "offense"? Honestly. This is d

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Robert F. Harrison
: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general.. > > Actually, Grant didn't start the thread. > > But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don&#

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Rene Valbuena
Feb 4, 2010 12:13 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general.. Actually, Grant didn't start the thread.But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don't

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Actually, Grant didn't start the thread. But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don't like his haircut. Anyone else care to chime in? Christ! Let's all get ourselves lives! On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at

RE: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Frederick, Steve
ut no pics of the current setup... Steve -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of PATRICK MOORE Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 11:09 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in genera

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Frederick, Steve wrote: my 26" Bianchi Milano fixed gear conversion commuter" May we see photos? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegr

RE: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Frederick, Steve
>>> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder with 26" wheels. I've only had a couple of comments about my 26"-wheeled XO-1. One fellow commented on the long wheelbase, mistaking the roomy clearance

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 22:28 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder with 26" wh

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 22:28 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > >> I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder > >> with 26" wheels. > >> > > > > I can't imagine why th

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: Did not realize people were so hostile to 26". I will soon receive a custom that is built around 26" wheels - at just under 6', I gu

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: > > > > I can't imagine why they'd care [about 26" wheels -- ed.]. Can you even > see that the wheels are > unusual? I've only really ever seen one Riv All-Arounder, I think a 58 > cm, and it looks perfectly ordinary with nothing particula

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: > > Did not realize people were so hostile to 26". I will soon receive a > > custom that is built around 26" wheels - at just under 6', I guess you > > could call my bikes either larger or av

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread Tim McNamara
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: For some reason that isn't completely obvious, a lot of people have a reflexive distaste for smaller wheels. The 56 Atlantis was always a much harder sell than a 58 Atlantis, which I attribute to a widespread prejudice against smaller wheels. O

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread Anne Paulson
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like >> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and >> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging >> that it is a necessary evil

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread james black
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48, JoelMatthews wrote: >> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like >> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and >> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging >> that it is a necessary evil (ho

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread Kenneth Stagg
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, james black wrote: > ... I > am mildly annoyed and feel vaguely insulted by the point of view I > sometimes encounter that TCO is an imaginary problem, or that I'm some > kind of dimwit because it bothers me. There are other cyclists > (customers) l

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-03 Thread james black
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:32, Tim McNamara wrote: > I think there are a number of us who want our cake and get to eat it too: >  sporty fast geometry with 45 mm tires, full fenders and no TCO.  I'd say > "pick two."  Some enchiladas can't be readily served whole. What we're talking about is a mat

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread Anne Paulson
> > Toe overlap is not a problem because riding and cornering at normal > speed the front wheel never turns far enough for the toe to hit the > front wheel. The only time it becomes an issue is when turning sharply > at a very slow speed; doing a U-turn on a very narrow road for > example. This i

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread cyclotourist
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:02 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > >> Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires >> and no TCO! :-) >> >> .. 70 mms and fenders (TCO be damned)? > > Patrick "wimpy skinny 60s" Moore

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread cyclotourist
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, newenglandbike wrote: > On Feb 2, 8:02 pm, cyclotourist wrote: > > Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm > tires > > and no TCO! :-) > > > > But I understand if it doesn't. That's the extreme end of the design > > spectrum, and may

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:02 PM, cyclotourist wrote: > Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires > and no TCO! :-) > > .. 70 mms and fenders (TCO be damned)? Patrick "wimpy skinny 60s" Moore -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contac

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread cyclotourist
Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires and no TCO! :-) But I understand if it doesn't. That's the extreme end of the design spectrum, and may not be one of the goals. That doesn't mean it's covered in mucus, either! :-) On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Micha

Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..

2010-02-02 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:21 PM, RonLau wrote: > "Fixed gear and fenders (Mudguards.) is going to make this move a > little difficult, but not impossible. With clipless pedals, you could > unclip the outside foot and move your toe back to give more clearance. > I sometimes get out of the saddle an