A. Homer Hilsen 72
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>Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..
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>on 2/4/10 8:28 AM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
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>> TCO
27;s why i don't reply to any all topics here;-) if
> grant did not start the thread, who did? isn't it if your name is on top of
> the topic or the first one, it is considered that you started the topic? --
> rene
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On Thu, 2010-02-04 at 12:49 -0800, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
> Not to offend anybody, but my personal opinion is that TCO is a sign
> of weak character and moral failing.
Weak character on the part of the frame builder and designer, right?
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CycloFiend wrote, in part:
>I think GP's post was a new thread to comment about a previous thread.
>Nevertheless, I do want to remind folks that if they want to communicate
>with Rivendell on any subject, the best way if directly. (Or cc them on the
>email with a note explaining why.) This list is
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:00, Brad Gantt wrote:
> I will admit that I simply do not understand the sentiment that
> TCO is an "offense". I believe that word choice is inflammatory and
> honestly insulting to the designers and builders of these bicycles. I
> also admit that I cannot understand the
on 2/4/10 8:28 AM, Rene at valbu...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> TCO is a problem to me which I have learned to live with with all the
> Rivendell models I have owned. But this does not leave me less
> sensitive to GP's choice of words on this matter either. I hope
> Rivendell Bicycle Works will put out
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 11:42, james black wrote:
> This is directed to Brad and Patrick: is there really a need to be so
> condescending? You don't mind TCO, fine. Please don't insult those of
> us who do.
And by the way - I joined in this discussion not because it gives me
pleasure to fight with
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 10:34, Brad Gantt wrote:
> This has gotten ridiculous. Grant's post ended with an expression of
> concern that he shouldn't have said anything. I imagine it might be a
> bit before he does again and I for one find that unfortunate.
> TCO is an "offense"? Honestly.
This is d
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general..
>
> Actually, Grant didn't start the thread.
>
> But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move
on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don
Feb 4, 2010 12:13 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in general.. Actually, Grant didn't start the thread.But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don't
Actually, Grant didn't start the thread.
But I think it is time for other entrail readings and that we should move on
to analyzing Grant's wardrobe or his deoderant or something. I don't like
his haircut. Anyone else care to chime in?
Christ! Let's all get ourselves lives!
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at
ut no pics of the current setup...
Steve
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: TCO in genera
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Frederick, Steve
wrote:
my 26" Bianchi Milano fixed gear conversion commuter"
May we see photos?
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>>> On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder
with 26" wheels.
I've only had a couple of comments about my 26"-wheeled XO-1. One fellow
commented on the long wheelbase, mistaking the roomy clearance
On Feb 4, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 22:28 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder
with 26" wh
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 22:28 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> >> I get flak about it sometimes when I am out riding my All-Rounder
> >> with 26" wheels.
> >>
> >
> > I can't imagine why th
On Feb 3, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
Did not realize people were so hostile to 26". I will soon
receive a
custom that is built around 26" wheels - at just under 6', I
gu
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> >
>
> I can't imagine why they'd care [about 26" wheels -- ed.]. Can you even
> see that the wheels are
> unusual? I've only really ever seen one Riv All-Arounder, I think a 58
> cm, and it looks perfectly ordinary with nothing particula
On Wed, 2010-02-03 at 18:17 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > Did not realize people were so hostile to 26". I will soon receive a
> > custom that is built around 26" wheels - at just under 6', I guess you
> > could call my bikes either larger or av
On Feb 3, 2010, at 12:54 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
For some reason that isn't completely obvious, a lot of people have a
reflexive distaste for smaller wheels. The 56 Atlantis was always a
much harder sell than a 58 Atlantis, which I attribute to a
widespread
prejudice against smaller wheels. O
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:
>> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like
>> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and
>> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging
>> that it is a necessary evil
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:48, JoelMatthews wrote:
>> Those who design bicycles would be urged to consider customers like
>> myself, recognize that TCO is an offense (however significant), and
>> deal with it proactively, either by eliminating it, or acknowledging
>> that it is a necessary evil (ho
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:37 AM, james black wrote:
> ... I
> am mildly annoyed and feel vaguely insulted by the point of view I
> sometimes encounter that TCO is an imaginary problem, or that I'm some
> kind of dimwit because it bothers me. There are other cyclists
> (customers) l
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 22:32, Tim McNamara wrote:
> I think there are a number of us who want our cake and get to eat it too:
> sporty fast geometry with 45 mm tires, full fenders and no TCO. I'd say
> "pick two." Some enchiladas can't be readily served whole.
What we're talking about is a mat
>
> Toe overlap is not a problem because riding and cornering at normal
> speed the front wheel never turns far enough for the toe to hit the
> front wheel. The only time it becomes an issue is when turning sharply
> at a very slow speed; doing a U-turn on a very narrow road for
> example.
This i
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:51 PM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:02 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
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>> Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires
>> and no TCO! :-)
>>
>> .. 70 mms and fenders (TCO be damned)?
>
> Patrick "wimpy skinny 60s" Moore
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:36 PM, newenglandbike wrote:
> On Feb 2, 8:02 pm, cyclotourist wrote:
> > Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm
> tires
> > and no TCO! :-)
> >
> > But I understand if it doesn't. That's the extreme end of the design
> > spectrum, and may
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 6:02 PM, cyclotourist wrote:
> Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires
> and no TCO! :-)
>
> .. 70 mms and fenders (TCO be damned)?
Patrick "wimpy skinny 60s" Moore
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Yes! I already mentioned I hope it has... get this... room for 60mm tires
and no TCO! :-)
But I understand if it doesn't. That's the extreme end of the design
spectrum, and may not be one of the goals. That doesn't mean it's covered
in mucus, either!
:-)
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Micha
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:21 PM, RonLau wrote:
> "Fixed gear and fenders (Mudguards.) is going to make this move a
> little difficult, but not impossible. With clipless pedals, you could
> unclip the outside foot and move your toe back to give more clearance.
> I sometimes get out of the saddle an
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