[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
+1 on the sauerkraut juice! John On Monday, May 6, 2013 7:34:17 AM UTC-7, Shoji Takahashi wrote: If you like 'em, try pickle juice or sauerkraut juice. Dilute to taste, or bring the jar! On Monday, May 6, 2013 10:15:44 AM UTC-4, Scott G. wrote: Nunn, works for me, no sugar. E-Load if you want some calories, has a little flavor to it. It has some sugar in it. Has anyone used SuperStarch ?, gets you carbs without the sugar. http://www.generationucan.com/super.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Pickle brine can stop a cramp, but I don't believe it is known why. It works for me, but it does not prevent cramps and I don't carry pickle brine on bike rides. I like the Clif Shot Blocks margarita flavor. 3x the sodium. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Yes carrying pickle brine probably isn't the most convenient though I imagine you could drink it post ride and that could help, I'm inclined to ingest a solution before, during and post ride. I forgot to mention I'm going to try Coco hydro in the future as Ted Durant Milwaukee recommended and the V-8 juice this Saturday as Mike recommended . Cheers, Hugh On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:27:20 PM UTC-7, ColonelJLloyd wrote: Pickle brine can stop a cramp, but I don't believe it is known why. It works for me, but it does not prevent cramps and I don't carry pickle brine on bike rides. I like the Clif Shot Blocks margarita flavor. 3x the sodium. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I like EFS - lots of electrolytes, mild flavors, not overly sweet tasting. For more calories I mix it with Carbo-Pro. Skratch is pretty good as well. Endurolytes if necessary. Antacids in a pinch. I don't restrict calories; need them all on long brevets :-) On Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:25:34 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I don't cramp. Not even when I did the coast to coast tour. Always assumed it to be a genetics thing. If diet controls cramping, then I suggest animal free Mediterranean diet as that's mine. Of course I do bonk every now and then. My body fat is low and it is sometimes hard to keep optimal calorie flow when riding long distance with loaded panniers day after day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Okay thanks for all the information. Here's what I'm going to try, V-8 juice, Nunn tablets and or potassium tablets. I knew if I asked this group I'd get the advice I was looking for. As a rule I like pickles and the juice. Again much thanks, and happy riding. Hugh Sunland, CA On Tuesday, May 7, 2013 11:18:11 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote: I don't cramp. Not even when I did the coast to coast tour. Always assumed it to be a genetics thing. If diet controls cramping, then I suggest animal free Mediterranean diet as that's mine. Of course I do bonk every now and then. My body fat is low and it is sometimes hard to keep optimal calorie flow when riding long distance with loaded panniers day after day. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Nunn, works for me, no sugar. E-Load if you want some calories, has a little flavor to it. It has some sugar in it. Has anyone used SuperStarch ?, gets you carbs without the sugar. http://www.generationucan.com/super.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
If you like 'em, try pickle juice or sauerkraut juice. Dilute to taste, or bring the jar! On Monday, May 6, 2013 10:15:44 AM UTC-4, Scott G. wrote: Nunn, works for me, no sugar. E-Load if you want some calories, has a little flavor to it. It has some sugar in it. Has anyone used SuperStarch ?, gets you carbs without the sugar. http://www.generationucan.com/super.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Water and sodium loss (sweat) are the most common cause of leg cramps in cyclists here is a good article: http://www.medicinenet.com/muscle_cramps/page2.htm I have gotten them after long rides on hot days. Drink plenty of water and intake salt. Salty foods or even something as simple as the salt packets free at restaurants, are all you need. My wife is a pharmacist and she looked at the contents of my $20 bottle of Hammer Endurolutes and said just take table salt, It also contains small amounts Calcium 5%DV, magnesium 6%Dv, Potassium 1%DV, Vitamin B6 333%DV and Manganese 80%DV, per capsule. They recommend 1-3 caps per hour during exercise in hot weather. I like Eddie Merckx's favorite food Bananas (lots of potassium) Tom Dusky Detroit Ranndonneurs On Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I second Hammer products. Cramps are indeed due to inadequate water and loss of electrolytes. I've used both their pill form (for a 100 mile non-stop kayak racesnd the training) and have switched to the the fizz tablet that dissolves in water this year. Just add to your bladder or water bottle. I take a supplement for any exercise over 2 hours. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Excellent suggestion on pickle or sauerkraut juice. If possible, get the fermented ones rathr than the vinegar ones. Much tastier, and the have more of the good stuff. Coconut water is an excellent choice too. I'm a big fan of real, whole foods whenever possible -- which is nearly always. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 6, 2013 8:34:17 AM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote: If you like 'em, try pickle juice or sauerkraut juice. Dilute to taste, or bring the jar! On Monday, May 6, 2013 10:15:44 AM UTC-4, Scott G. wrote: Nunn, works for me, no sugar. E-Load if you want some calories, has a little flavor to it. It has some sugar in it. Has anyone used SuperStarch ?, gets you carbs without the sugar. http://www.generationucan.com/super.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I'm a Nunn guy too.They are easy to use and have a pleasant taste.. Banana's really work well too, just a little more difficult to transport. ~mike Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: [RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Hi Ted, I have been using Nuun and Camelbak Elixir with good results. Both contain no sugar and have good taste. Nuun pink lemonade is somewhat light and pleasant tasting and is one of my favorites. I also use the fruit punch and cola flavors. Cola has some caffeine in it so I tend to use it only on longer rides and somewhat sparingly. On rides greater than 60 miles, I also use Hammer Perpetuem with some added endurolytes powder and a bit of Hammer Gel for flavoring. Alternating the Nuun/CB Elixir with the Perpetuem mix really keeps my tendency as dehydration and cramping at bay. It works for me but my not work for others, Joe Joe Bartoe Synaptic Cycles Bicycle Rentals, Inc. email: j...@synapticcycles.com website: www.synapticcycles.com Twitter: @synapticcycles phone: 949-374-6079 Date: Sun, 5 May 2013 19:40:10 -0700 From: teddur...@gmail.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution. I was a Gatorade user but as I got to longer distances found that the sugar was intolerable. I just recently discovered Coco Hydro and have tried it on a couple of 200k's and it's worked great. The potassium-sodium ratio in coconut water is much higher than most other supplements, very close to the same as what we sweat out. In fact, the plain non-flavored versions tastes a bit like, ah, sweat. In a good way, of course! Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I keep this very simple. I have suffered from leg cramps my entire life and come from a family where they are endemic. I simply take potassium tablets. In hot weather more, maybe one or two before a ride and two to four after, along with salty food. I don't do super long rides any more but when I did I carried a few tablets with me. Ignorant medical people flip out, but here's a point of reference. Potassium tablets are typically 99mg. while a baked potato is about 800mg. If you are cramping it is a sure sign of a potassium deficiency, which often goes with dehydration. Your chances of a potassium OD are miniscule. michael On Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Strawberries and bananas are also high in potassium. If you're riding along the coast of California, don't neglect to stop at a strawberry farm and get a delicious basket of strawberries. They're in season for a long time. On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I keep this very simple. I have suffered from leg cramps my entire life and come from a family where they are endemic. I simply take potassium tablets. In hot weather more, maybe one or two before a ride and two to four after, along with salty food. I don't do super long rides any more but when I did I carried a few tablets with me. Ignorant medical people flip out, but here's a point of reference. Potassium tablets are typically 99mg. while a baked potato is about 800mg. If you are cramping it is a sure sign of a potassium deficiency, which often goes with dehydration. Your chances of a potassium OD are miniscule. michael On Sunday, May 5, 2013 8:25:34 PM UTC-4, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I usually take Grant's nutritional advice with a great of salt (you like what I did there?) but I remember reading somewhere maybe it was from his book about water-downed orange juice as a great electrolyte replacement. Not really sugarless, but it is a really cheap electrolyte supplement. I've had similar problems and asking plenty of veteran Randonneurs about this same thing and they would recommend some wacky but effective for salt replacement. When cramping down a packet of mustard. or Lick your wrist after a long ride like a horse and a salt lick. Pretty wacky but works. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
On Mon, 2013-05-06 at 14:34 -0700, Manuel Acosta wrote: Lick your wrist after a long ride like a horse and a salt lick. I didn't know sunscreen was good for cramping. I am sure it doesn't taste very good. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
On a completely different note than those of other posters, I have found that if I take a couple of tablets of pantothenic acid after a long climbing ride, I don't get the excruciating killer lock-up cramps (typically of the adductors) when lying bed that night. Here is data in support of that: *http://tinyurl.com/pantothenic-acid-and-cramping* pb -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Homemade bone broth as part of your diet, daily or at least a few times a week. Amazing stuff. Boil (grass fed) bones for 4-24 hours with a splash of vinegar, strain, add chilies, onions, spices etc to taste (or nothing at all) and have a cup. When done right, it gels in the fridge. With abandon, Patrick On Sunday, May 5, 2013 6:25:34 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
I was a Gatorade user but as I got to longer distances found that the sugar was intolerable. I just recently discovered Coco Hydro and have tried it on a couple of 200k's and it's worked great. The potassium-sodium ratio in coconut water is much higher than most other supplements, very close to the same as what we sweat out. In fact, the plain non-flavored versions tastes a bit like, ah, sweat. In a good way, of course! Ted Durant Milwaukee, WI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Anyone have recommendations for a good Electrolyte solution.
Another great source of potassium (and sodium) is V-8 juice or Garden Patch from Trader Joe's.. Eight ounces of Garden Patch has about 16% of the MDR (similar to a bottle of milk from a young coconut - aka coconut water) Lots more vitamin C and other desirable nutrients as well. Several stores (TJ's and Whole Foods among them) have calorie free water laced with electrolytes. Regards, Corwin On Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:25:34 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Hi Rivsters, On long rides I notice I have a tendency to get leg cramps in my feet calf's which is usually long after the ride. I drink plenty of water as I don't like being dehydrated. I have used electrolyte solutions before but dislike the ones with sugar. So was wondering if anyone has experience with such a sugarless product. Thanks, Hugh Sunland, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
