I knew once you rode one, you would be sold. The same thing happened to me
when I rode a Betty Foy for the first time. There was no way I could stay
satisfied with my 2006 2200 Aluminum/carbon Trek. I wanted 40's on my bike,
so I went with a custom mixte. I've had it for a year now and I've
Thanks again for posting the Ebay Sam frame offer and for everyone's
thoughtful help. Yesterday afternoon I went to the seller's house. He
showed me his stable, complete with the frame for sale and his three built
up Sams. They were all 56cm double TT versions and a little tall for me, so
I
This thread was interesting at first but got way off topic BUT there is a green
56 cm Sam on Ebay and it's in FL. One thing to glean from this thread is that
there is not one bike to rule them all. Buy ittry itsell it.
FW,
CBB
Sam rider who just bought a Quickbeam that will replace his
Conway has a point. I know a guy who bought a Raleigh International new in 1972
and
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I think a person who's relatively new to bikes should understand that
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Thanks! The Sam you saw on EBay is actually right here in Tampa. I sent him a
message to see if I can see it first.
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You can always buy it, and if you like it, but absolutely want it new or the 55
cm 1TT just resell it. You should be able to move it quick and get your money
back. But for the price of a repaint, which isn't necessary but'll essentially
make it new, you'll come out of this for less than a new
Here's my story:
In March 2012, I bought myself a Sam Hillborne frameset. I wasn't even in
the market! My son and daughter were competing in a swim meet at UC
Berkley, and my wife and I took a little side trip to Walnut Creek during
some downtime. She was interested in their mixte; the Betty
Great story, Matt! I imagine there are more than a few Just going for a
test-ride folks that have left Walnut Creek with a new bike!
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:23:38 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
Here's my story:
In March 2012, I bought myself a Sam Hillborne frameset. I wasn't
I always thought the Cross-check was probably more comparable to the Sam,
but the LHT isn't far off. All three are smartly designed and versatile.
All three can be lifetime bikes, if you want them to be. I've extensively
ridden a Disc Trucker, Cross-check, Atlantis, Romulus, and a few test
+1.
To which I add:
Riding seasons vary. In WI, for example, unless you wish to install studded
tires, the season ends in early December, returns late March. Your body
looses elasticity during the off-season. So the first 2-3 weeks in March
you need to raise the bars and lower the seat. Not
What you need to worry about is future-proofing your ability to fit on the
bike long term. And there, threadless falls on its face.
I disagree. In the special case of 1 threadless with a steel steerer, no
matter how short you happened to cut the steerer, you can always get
equivalent
For a lot of us, the ideal of a lifetime bike isn't realistic. Tastes often
change faster than our bodies do. Anyway, I would point out that a new
Surly fork with uncut steerer isn't much more costly than a Nitto quill
stem. If you don't cut it too short at the beginning, which a lot of people
On 09/24/2014 04:23 PM, Joe Broach wrote:
It's worth noting that you can quick adjust the newfangled stems'
height, too, if you use Sheldon's method and clamp a cable hanger or
seatpost collar around the steerer below the stem. That holds the
headset adjustment when you remove the stem and
On 09/24/2014 04:19 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
I disagree. In the special case of 1 threadless with a steel
steerer, no matter how short you happened to cut the steerer, you can
always get equivalent adjustability to a quill stem..by having the
steerer threaded and converting to a quill
Of course, if someone is devoted to quill stems, then I would expect that
person to be devoted to traditional handlebar designs, to the exclusion
of newer designs. I personally think the Jones Loop bar is the best
all-around bar for my riding. I can't do that with a quill stem. There are
a lot
On 09/24/2014 04:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
For a lot of us, the ideal of a lifetime bike isn't realistic. Tastes
often change faster than our bodies do. Anyway, I would point out that
a new Surly fork with uncut steerer isn't much more costly than a
Nitto quill stem. If you
I'm talking about replacing the stock for on a LHT with the same exact fork
with a longer steerer, if aging or injury (or whatever) makes it desirable
to have higher bars. Upgrading to a more magical fork is another matter.
Robert Pirsig had a famous book about a guy who drove himself insane
One of the things I LOVE about threadless forks/headsets is their
adjustability. Swapping stems and adding spacers is a quick job, and so
much more pleasant than unwrapping bars (and inevitably scratching them up
pulling them through a quill stem). Threadless stems come in a plethora of
On 09/24/2014 05:01 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:
I'm talking about replacing the stock for on a LHT with the same exact
fork with a longer steerer, if aging or injury (or whatever) makes it
desirable to have higher bars. Upgrading to a more magical fork is
another matter. Robert
I always purchase lifetime bikes. Problem is, I always sell them for
different lifetime bikes ;)
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:53:04 PM UTC-7, Philip Williamson wrote:
Leaving the steerer long isn't even a trick... Simply do nothing, and it
magically stays long!
I have and love bikes
'til death do us partor some other bike catches my eye
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 4:49:33 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
I always purchase lifetime bikes. Problem is, I always sell them for
different lifetime bikes ;)
On Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:53:04 PM UTC-7, Philip
I used to buy bikes for my lifetime, until I realized that each and every
bike I've had has ridden differently, and I've *liked* the difference. Two
years ago I lost a Trek 560 that I absolutely *loved. *I was going to get
a custom-built replacement, but that ultimately proved unworkable.
Much like guitars, never found anything close to a lifetime bike. In a
related matter, a friend of mine has been through more custom guitars and
custom bikes than I can count. At least 4 custom bikes I know of. His
present passion? Long Haul Trucker with 26 wheels.
I have no problem getting
On 09/24/2014 09:00 PM, Eric Platt wrote:
Much like guitars, never found anything close to a lifetime bike.
Lots of people figured the 54-year-old Gibson Les Paul electric guitar
would fetch more than its $20,000 to $30,000 pre-auction estimate, but
no one knew how much more.
The answer: a
Last Summer I put together a beautiful LHT that I haven't ridden since I
bought my Atlantis. The only experience I have with the Sam is a quick
ride around the block in Walnut Creek a few years ago; I wish I had taken
it for a longer ride. The double top tube does not bother me, but I prefer
So of course you should do as you like and go threadless ever and always. I
see absolutely no reason why you shouldn't.
But some of the rest of us find that the bars we want work with quill
stems, and find the range of quill stems available perfectly adequate.
Though threadless has dominated
Sounds more like an investment to me.
Philip
www.biketinker.com
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haha Andrew great comments
I thought my Paul Taylor custom was going to be a lifetime bike, it's
very fast but it's punishing and you can not get anyting over 23mm
under the front fork. The other problem is that it TT is 66mm C-C and
it's threadless so even with the itty bittiest stem is more
Chris:
It is a Thorn Raven Tour. Not custom, probably low-volume, designed
specifically for the Rohloff hub. It's not a direct replacement for the
Hillborne in any way, shape, or form - it's a nearly 40-pound touring / city /
fleeing-the-zombie-apocalypse bike. I wouldn't even THINK of
Ty,
Buy the Sam.
I don't have a Sam, but I do have a 2001 pearl orange Rivendell Rambouillet
and a Suly Disc Trucker for my commuter and rough stuff bike. I bought my
Rambouillet just in time for (and because of) a chance to join three others
on a super light, credit card ride across the
Thanks for all the great advice and thoughtful responses everyone. The LHT
I'm riding is my friend's spare, so I think I could get a good deal on it
should I decide to go that direction. I am wary of buying what I intend to
be a lifetime bicycle just because it's convenient or a bargain though,
On 09/23/2014 05:39 AM, Ty Jeske wrote:
Thanks for all the great advice and thoughtful responses everyone. The
LHT I'm riding is my friend's spare, so I think I could get a good
deal on it should I decide to go that direction. I am wary of buying
what I intend to be a lifetime bicycle just
I own and ride both a Surly LHT and an Atlantis. If I could keep only one,
it would be the Atlantis.
To quote Steve: I think most would agree that a LHT is a useful tool, but
as a lifetime
bicycle, not so much.
On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:52:44 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
On
As well executed as the LHT is (and they are quite serviceable bikes), I
submit that you would notice a difference between that and a Sam. One of
my touring buds rode an LHT for a number of years and was pleased with it.
His dear wife knew he really appreciated the Atlantis but would never
I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.
I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in a
double-century, later added front and rear racks and rode it from Berkeley
to the Oregon-Washington border and back. It was/is a near-perfect all
rounder.
So why did I
Buy my Bombadil!
On Sep 22, 2014 1:57 PM, Daniel M dpmay...@hotmail.com wrote:
I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.
I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in a
double-century, later added front and rear racks and rode it from Berkeley
to the
Considering that Sams are going away in the near future, that should seal
the deal on one for you!
On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:02:14 AM UTC-7, Ty Jeske wrote:
I've been riding a bargain lugged steel Schwinn Traveler (1982) for the
last several years. The frame is a little small for me
Since you've already ridden the one, I think you would really need to ride
the other to make your choice. Then pick the one you think will have you
taking extra trips just 'cause it's so cool to be on.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Monday, September 22, 2014 3:02:14 AM UTC-7, Ty Jeske wrote:
I'm a new member of this group and recently purchased a Sam from Rivendell
and built it from the frame up.I looked at the LHT and it's a great bike
and the price difference definitely stood out.
I never rode either bike before buying my Sam.
The thing that put the Sam above the LHT was the
Daniel,
What frame did you end up building into a 26 touring bike? Was it a
custom or off-the-shelf?
On Monday, September 22, 2014 12:57:41 PM UTC-5, Daniel M wrote:
I will submit my opinion to add to the variety.
I owned a Sam Hillborne for two years. I bought it brand new, rode it in
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