Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:24 -0700, LBleriot wrote: Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) Or, more like, because you had the wrong size bag. -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-25 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 12:01 pm, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: Well, for me, a loaded handlebar bag would be a windbreaker, a snack, my wallet (which, these days, is certainly not heavy), and my cell phone. I'm sure you'll find more stuff to throw in there! boxy bags are downright cavernous.

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-25 Thread LBleriot
I'm not sure wrong size bag is accurate. Yes, the bag I purchased was not tall enough to fit the stem mounted dex, but otherwise, it was the correct size for my rack and carrying needs. For my particular application, the VO rackaleur was the perfect fit (and fiscally responsible solution) for my

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-25 Thread pruckelshaus
Well, I have an Acorn roll hanging from the back of my B-17, so that takes care of tools and tubes, and I have a pump on the downtube. Might see some use bringing a six pack and some Ben and Jerry's home from the store on Friday nights. I do want to see if Google Maps on my Droid X is usable

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-25 Thread Gary Schulz
Brett, The height of the stem mounted dex is governed by the length of the headtube and the stack height of your headset.  The height of the tangs of the dex that attaches to the bag is governed by the size of the bag and the rack.  In my case (headtube length 14cm), the stem mounted dex

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Earl Grey
The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack), with a decaleur optional. Instead of a decaleur, you can run straps to the brake hoods. If you don't want a front rack, sell the Acorn and buy yourself the Rivendell Sackville BarSack

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Rene Sterental
That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:23 AM, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote: The Acorn is specifically designed for a front rack (with velcro straps on the bottom that go around the rack),

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 06:09 -0700, Rene Sterental wrote: That is correct. No decaleur is needed. The straps to the handlebar make it very stable. One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Rene Sterental
The Acorn Boxy Rando Bag doesn't strap to the top of the bar. It's lateral strings go to the bottom section of the drop on your drop bars by the barend shifters. They work equally well with M bars. Not sure about Albatross bars. Rene Sent from my iPhone 4 On Mar 24, 2011, at 6:16 AM, Steve

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread stevep33
I used the VO threadless decaleur with an Acorn rando bag, and it worked fine. One exception that very low handlebars on a small bike with a long stem may not leave enough room to clear the edge of the bag on the flat section of the handlebars. I just raised my bars a bit to fix that. This

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread pruckelshaus
I can mount something like a Mark's Rack without any problem on my one bike. However, I've done some more looking around and found this http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/rackaleur-front-bag-mount.html which looks like it might work. Pete On Mar 24, 4:22 

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 9:16 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: One big reason to use a decaleur is that it provides some stand-off from the handlebar. Strapping a bag to the bars steals away most of the top of the bar, preventing its use as a riding position. Another big reason is the quick

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread omnigrid
I think you'd like a rack better. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 7:58 AM, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.comwrote: I can mount something like a Mark's Rack without any problem on my one bike. However, I've done some more looking around and found this

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread omnigrid
decaleurs do have their place, but with the acorn bag, I wouldnt bother. the acorn system is very stable and easily removable. I can take my acorn boxy bag off in maybe 5 seconds. maybe not as fast a with a decaleur, but fast enough. On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Patrick in VT

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 8:58 am, pruckelshaus pruckelsh...@gmail.com wrote: However, I've done some more looking around and found this .. . which looks like it might work. it really depends on how picky you are. that run-over-gingerbread man thing might work, but putting a loaded bag on your handlebars can

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread nathan spindel
+1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was surprised at how much more stable and solid the bag felt with the addition of

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread james black
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 09:33, nathan spindel nath...@gmail.com wrote: +1 to the added benefit of a decaleur with the Acorn rando bag. I'd used the bag without a decaleur on a Mark's Rack before, but on a subsequent bike build I opted to go for Nitto M-13 + VO threaded decaleur. I was

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread William
I've used the Berthoud decaleur, which I think is the most expensive one you can get, and it is working great in combination with a Marks rack. It is not the easiest thing in the world to set up, so I was going to do a youtube about it, but haven't gotten around to it yet. The bag goes between

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread doug peterson
I already had the small Nitto front rack when I bought my Acorn Boxy Rando. I just used it with the velcro straps never did bother with the side attachments. The bag comes off easily enough but it was sort of cumbersome to re-mount with the velcro. I installed a pair of D- rings on the bottom,

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread William
While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something stronger is required there, then I suspect you haven't used one.

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread William
To be clear, it's worse than that! My go fast and my Hilsen each have their own Marks rack and each have their own Berthoud decaleur. The gofast uses an H91 and the Hilsen uses an H121. I use one handlebar bag for both bikes. That's $180 worth of decaleur investment. Ouch. I'm sure lots of

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 12:06 -0700, William wrote: While the Berthoud looks very stable, I don't like the paperclip as cotter pin. For that price, it should be something more substantial. Please! Mine came with a safety pin, not a paperclip ;) But seriously, if you think something

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 1:57 pm, Brett Lindenbach brett.lindenb...@gmail.com wrote: So, my question to Nathan and other is whether you like the fork mounted dex? i used one a few years ago - worked fine until it snapped (it was an early VO model with shoddy welding). the new ones look better. the big

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread William
An artisinal paper clip! Bike Snob would love that... :) That's interesting that yours wiggles itself out, Steve. I can imagine it happening on the roof rack with no safety pin. Hours and hours of wiggling with no human to push it back in, I can totally imagine it walking out entirely.

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell Atlantis. i hear 'ya - but the Riv/Surly thing is kind of a

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread William
Patrick in VT You clearly have a lot more experience than I do with these things. Since the VO is superior to the Berthoud in the several ways you've listed, I'll make sure to treat myself to one when my next need arises. On Mar 24, 1:39 pm, Patrick in VT swing4...@gmail.com wrote: On Mar 24,

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Patrick in VT
On Mar 24, 4:53 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick in VT You clearly have a lot more experience than I do with these things. Since the VO is superior to the Berthoud in the several ways you've listed, I'll make sure to treat myself to one when my next need arises. no, no. i'm

Re: [RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Thu, 2011-03-24 at 13:39 -0700, Patrick in VT wrote: On Mar 24, 3:19 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure lots of folks feel the VO is 'just as good' as the Berthoud for less than 1/3 the price, just like lots of folks feel that a Surly LHT is just as good as a Rivendell

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread pruckelshaus
Well, for me, a loaded handlebar bag would be a windbreaker, a snack, my wallet (which, these days, is certainly not heavy), and my cell phone. With that said, I've not run a handlebar bag before, so I don't know what even a couple of extra pounds up front is going to do. On my fast bike, a 700c

[RBW] Re: Good decaleur for use with an Acorn Boxy Rando

2011-03-24 Thread LBleriot
Sorry for the confusion. When I used a stem mounted dex, the bag lifted off the rack a bit (because of the height of the headset/ headtube) which caused it to sway when loaded. The dex on the integrated VO rack sits at the perfect height and the bag sits flat on the rack. The dex merely