The proto-appa lives!
https://bikepacking.com/news/readers-rig-tims-rivendell-protovelo/
Really cool to see all the different versions of an awesome and versatile
bike! Very nice Tim.
Max
On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:53:58 PM UTC-4 Tim O. (Portland, OR)
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> Michelle! What an
There's also the matter of looks, color, name and maybe just wanting to try
something different. It's a thing!
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Well it is a smaller frame likely doesn't have the double top tube so it should
feel lighter. The longer chainstays do give the bike a springy feel.
That's the magic of Rivendell!
It kinda reminds me of a friend of mine many years ago who worked in a high end
stero store, when I asked him about
Hi Jeremy,
I've got a 58 Hunq and my wife has the 55 Appaloosa. I started this thread
to see if anyone has experience with a larger Appaloosa because I was so
surprised when I rode her App for about an hour how much livelier and
supple it felt compared to my Hunq (one of the first generation
Back in 2013, I test rode an Appaloosa prototype while waiting for my
Hunqapillar to be made. I didn't pick it up to feel its weight compared to
the demo Hunqapillars at Riv, but it did ride much differently than the
Hunqapillar. The longer chains stays give the ride a much different feel. I
I've owned both, the Hunqapillar was a stout trail bike and did not feel
appreciably lighter than an Appaloosa to me.
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The Appaloosa would be a definite upgrade over the Clem.
I think if you went through the Blug and the Blagh for the last 2 or 3 years,
you would find something.
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I think Rivendell uses what they refer to as "Silver" tubing in their current
lineup of overseas manufactured frames. As far as I know this steel is
possibly sourced from one or more manufacturers (True Temper?). Perfectly
adequate I'm sure, but older US made frames were made with more common
Masmojo, can you point to a source that describes the tubing differences you
mention? Or is it something you experienced from riding both? I've been
following Riv bikes pretty closely since the Hunqapillar came out and don't
remember such differences being mentioned, but I could have missed it.
You could talk about fit and ride quality, yadda. Yadda, yadda . . .
At the end of the day the main difference would be cost. The Hunqapillar being
made domestically, one at a time & the Appaloosa being made overseas in batches
(and limited frame sizes)
Additionally, I don't know the current
Ryan, thanks for the Hunq brochure - I'd not see that before.And I do LOVE
the head badge! I agree that the App feels a bit lighter and more roadish,
while the Hunq feels just rock solid. I'm not sure what MUP riding is :)
but I'm definitely not doing loaded touring on trails any time soon.
How tall is your PBH? I'm 5'10 w an abnormally high PBH, and am riding a 62
Appaloosa. I can stand flat footed over it with Thunder Burts, but have
some 2.1 Scwhalbe Slicks that make it a bit tall. The ride quality is
"Centaur-like" by my accounting: very relaxed long and stable feeling rear
I would love to ride a 54 Hunqapillar and a 55 Appaloosa, set up
identically, back to back. I've compared the geometry charts and the only
real difference is the chainstay length of the Appaloosa. I have an image
in my mind of how the Appaloosa would ride and it's a smoother, more stable
Very interesting. I'm not at all saying someone shouldn't prefer this wheel
size to another, but I will put forth my own experience: I ride very light
559 wheels on the road (370 gram rims, 175 gram tires -- these are Ksyrium
weight - Ksyrium ,since those were the last hot rod wheelset I bothered
650b would be my deciding factor as well. At a 5'11 ish guy I hate the feeling
of my 29er (so much I converted to B plus!) and the "tall" feeling on 700c
bikes.
Gimme that sweet spot in the middle.
-Justin
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Michele,
My riding sounds very similar to yours. I do it all on a 56
canti-Hillborne which I think is great for the roads and lighter trails,
but becomes less desirable as things get rough and technical. Part of that
is the lighter, more flexible build (country bike vs mountain bike), part
I love my Hunq, that's really all I got.
Marc
On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Michele wrote:
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> Trying to decide between the Hunqapillar and the Appaloosa, and I'd love
> some insights from current owners. Obviously, the Hunq is more expensive
> and has a longer wait time, but
I dont think anybody suggested this yet but if, and ONLY if, one of the Clem
Smith Jr. frames fit you well, that could be a best of both worlds option. It
has the longer top tube similar to the hunq. (better for flat or swept back bar
options, less toe overlap issues if riding on trails or
Thanks Patrick and others for the feedback -- it's enormously
helpful! Right now my riding is mostly paved and dirt trails with some big
hills and occasional rougher trails mixed in, but over time that may change
to add some commuting and light touring. I definitely want the option of
larger
Hey Stuart, can you explain a little more about your wheel size
preferences? I noticed that Riv seems to change wheel size based on frame
size, presumably to keep proportions. I also know there's a trend toward
29ers but you seem to prefer the smaller wheel. Just wondering why, that
is, how
Thanks! It's a custom frame bag that my mom made for me. She's the coolest.
:)
On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 9:46:19 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to
> rear!
>
> Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just
About the photo: that's an elegantly loaded bike, perfect balance front to
rear!
Is that a custom frame bag, or is the perfect fit just serendipity?
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:53 PM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in!
>
>
Michelle! What an exciting dilemma you're in!
That's me Kurt is talking about! I didn't even occur to me that I might
have something to add to this post until Kurt added his two cents. I bought
his Proto-appaloosa this spring and I've been loving it. I haven't ever
ridden a Hunqapillar, but
I have a 54 cm Hunqapillar and carry the big Ortlieb bags on a Nitto Big
Back rack. My heels don't come anywhere near the bags.
Kevin
On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 1:01:08 PM UTC-4, J Imler wrote:
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> Would anyone speak to heel clearance on the Hunq? I've got a rear rack
> with side Wald
I own a Hunq and had an Appaloosa based Proto-Riv and for me the Hunq was
the right bike. But I loved the Appa a lot.
I wanted to be able to ride rougher single track with tight turns and was
willing to give up the extra smoothness and stability on the longer bike
for more agility so I went
Wider tires.
Jay
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In that situation, what would the hunq offer that the Joe doesn't?
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On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 7:25:26 AM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
> No question that the fork is more burly on the 2017s. I had that straight
> front Grant.
>
> If the trails are light and relatively smooth, the Appaloosa would be fine. I
> like the widest possible tires for rough trails.
I hadn't read that about the fork, but interesting if true. The one thing that
seemed slightly out of place to me on my joe was the slender-looking fork on
such a stout frame.
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To be clear on the chain stay length difference between the two effecting
trail riding, of the 50 miles or so of single track I ride regularly, I'd
say there are about ten spots of technical rocks and/or roots that a longer
chain stay would make (I imagine) challenging. Say 30 feet of trail per
"Lastly, If like me, you have more idealistic views of your riding than
actual, id recommend rectifying the two before purchasing"
as quoted by Drew above, is advice I needed a long time ago. Many bikes were
bought and sold before my Appaloosa. I wish it were more trail oriented
I have a hunqapillar and I really like it but I do really enjoy the larger
size and long chainstays of my cheviot. So maybe if I were to do it all
over again I would just get the Appaloosa in a larger size and be done wit
it.
On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 10:56:36 AM UTC-7, Michele wrote:
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>
The Appaloosa was definately described as being in between the Hunqapillar
and the Hillborne and the Appaloosa brochure states it's almost a clone of
the Atlantis, with a few geometry differences. I do remember reading that
the 2017 Appaloosas have a heavier fork than the 2016 models. I think
Which-ever one fit me best. As for intended use, it's a bike, it rides
just like a bike, and it IS a Bike ! Whoa Yes ! They both go
anywhere you go, I mean, the bike doesn't ride itself does it ?
Does the bike say " I don't really want to go on that trail today< I
might get
more road/dirt roads - appaloosa
more rougher single track, heavier loading - hunqapillar
even if I were 51% pavement and 49% dirt, i would choose the appaloosa. it
can fit a pretty big tire.
On Tuesday, August 1, 2017 at 1:56:36 PM UTC-4, Michele wrote:
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> Trying to decide between the
What type of riding do you do? In general, because of the cost and wait
time deltas you mention, the Appaloosa would be my default, with the sole
exception of if you are going to do a LOT of single track and/or
bikepacking on single track, where the beefier frame and slightly shorter
chain
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