[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

John, I'll reach out to you when I get home. I'm about your size (6' tall, my saddle height is 77.5 from saddle center to crank center.) I have a 56 Sam (57.5 TT) that I'm reluctantly selling this spring in MA. I have pics, measurements, advice. Best, Marc On Friday, February 16, 2018

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Thanks Minh. I agree. I think the longest TT I'd want to run on the Sam is 57.5mm. (The early oranges did have a 59mm.) On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Minh wrote: > John, > > I'm a little late but i will add my 2 cents, i'm 6ft tall with a > 32inch'ish inseam and ride a

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

> > John, I'm a little late but i will add my 2 cents, i'm 6ft tall with a 32inch'ish inseam and ride a 60cm QB (with Albas) and an early orange 56cm with drops+80mm stem--which the geo-charts says has a 59tt. the Sam is a little long for me, especially if i do a lot of riding stretched out

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Thanks Chris for the advice. I’m guessing that you were straddling a 58cm, which has roughly an 85cm standover, with 32ish-mm tires. Although with shoes on, I’d think you’d be able to at least stand over that bike. > On Feb 19, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Christopher Murray

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

In 2012 I went to Rivendell with the intent of getting a 56cm Sam. I was in San Francisco for business and was hoping to bring it home with me. Waterford was making them at the time. I have a 84.75cm PBH and have a 57cm Bleriot, 56cm Quickbeam, 55cm Appa. I'd also ridden a 56cm Atlantis and

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I would go smaller if running drops. I was in between sizes in 2009, got the larger frame (60cm) and wished I'd gotten the smaller (56) because the top tube was so long. Even with a short 7 cm stem, it was too long for me, although standover was adequate. 7 years later, I got a smaller Sam

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I similar measurements to you 5-11, 87cm inseam. I ride a size 58 LHT and a size 59 Riv AHH. I would go with the smaller sam if I intended to run drop bars. It’s reach is very similar to the 58 LHT and 59 AHH. If you are going upright bars, you can go either way. A bosco bar will eat up

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

FYI, I noticed this 56cm 2 TT Sam for sale. https://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/bik/d/rivendell-sam-hillborne-steel/6500174394.html I'm not affiliated with the seller. On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 8:37:03 PM UTC-5, John W wrote: > > Thank you everyone for your very patient advice. I've

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

John W Yes there was a single top tube cantilever brake 56cm Sam Hillborne with a 57.5cm effective top tube length. That’s what I have. I purchased it in December 2009. My saddle height is 75.5cm. It’s splendid. I’m 5’10”. Contact me off list if you want to go through measurements. Bill

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

But weren’t there also “56” Sams (700c wheels) with 57.5 effective measurement, single top tubes? “55” and “56”... I hesitate to ask, but does that refer to the seat tube measurement, c-to-top, right? If not, how does one get that measurement if it’s not on the geo chart? On Sat, Feb 17,

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 9:49 AM, Surlyprof wrote: > John, > > I'm pretty sure the green, first run Sam's actually had a 59 tt. Riv > could probably confirm this. That might be a great fit. I do think those > first 56s had a double tt, which I always coveted, but some

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

John, I'm pretty sure the green, first run Sam's actually had a 59 tt. Riv could probably confirm this. That might be a great fit. I do think those first 56s had a double tt, which I always coveted, but some dislike. All a matter of preference. Good luck on your quest. John On Friday,

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Around 9 or 10cm, depending on which drop bars I decide to use. > On Feb 17, 2018, at 7:32 AM, eflayer wrote: > > How long do you think your stem will be on a 56? Just curious. > >> On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 11:38:19 PM UTC-8, John W wrote: >> Hello folks, >> >>

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

How long do you think your stem will be on a 56? Just curious. On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 11:38:19 PM UTC-8, John W wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I'm reaching out for some input regarding current Sam Hillbornes. > > I'm 6' tall with an 85PBH (say, 86.25 PBH with shoes.) Saddle height >

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Thank you everyone for your very patient advice. I've concluded that a current 55 or even better, a 56 with the 57.5 TT, is the way to go for me. Basically, what Riv recommends! John -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

All very excellent points, Jeremy. Thanks. > On Feb 16, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Jeremy Till wrote: > > I'd say go with the 55. For a number of reasons: > > -Rivendell knows the fit of their bikes pretty well, and they generally err > on the side of larger frame sizes, so

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I've wondered this about my Sam too. I'm a hair under 6'3", 93cm PBH, 82cm seat height on a 62cm frame with a 90mm stem. I've always felt the bike is a little big and wondered if a 60 would be better. Of course they don't make 60's any more. Maybe I need to find someone with a 60cm frame that

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Hey John, I just bought a 58cm SH and I am 5'-9" with 87.5 PBH. I have very long legs for my height, so I figured I could fit the bigger size and I was right.

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/129545862@N03/19238298132/in/dateposted-public/ Here's a photo of my 56 with Smart Sams. Those are the biggest tires I can get on there. Saddle height is 75. John On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 8:32:21 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: > > I am 5’11” with an 85 pbh

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Link to my google photos album. Both mine and wife’s Sams are in there. https://photos.app.goo.gl/9kfJxuf3sXyDyBoA3 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

My PBH is 85. The geo chart can be found here: https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry The reach seems significantly shorter and the stack significantly higher than I’d expect, even having ridden similar compact frames like the Vaya and Awol. I’m not saying the number are wrong, but head

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

To clarify, I don’t mean to say that the stack is wrong, just a bit higher than I’d expect, even with an upslope. This is going on past experience with compact frames, and having ridden others’ off the peg frames like the Awol and Vaya. https://www.rivbike.com/pages/geometry The stack

Re: [RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Thanks Tom. Good data points. Could you perhaps snap a photo of your wife’s bike? I’m curious about the stem height and length, although I’d be running drop bars. > On Feb 16, 2018, at 9:34 AM, tc wrote: > > I'd say 58, esp. if you're gonna mostly ride pavement or packed

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I should mention that my wife's 58 Sam with albatross bars has a 120mm Tallux stem. My 58 Sam with Noodle bar has a 70mm Tallux stem. On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:34:22 AM UTC-5, tc wrote: > > I'd say 58, esp. if you're gonna mostly ride pavement or packed trails. > > My wife rides her 58

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I'd say go with the 55. For a number of reasons: -Rivendell knows the fit of their bikes pretty well, and they generally err on the side of larger frame sizes, so if they're telling you to go for a smaller frame, chances are that's probably going to be big enough for you. -You are going for

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I am an 85pbh but six foot. I don’t have long legs. I stood over a 58 at Rivelo this weekend after talking with you. It could work but felt big and not much stand over room. I would think a 55 would be great with drops and if you can find a 56 if you run Albatross. I would go smaller. As Bill

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

> I am 6' tall with a 83.5 PBH - short legs, lng torso. I ride a 56cm >> Sam (last generation - Double TT) it is too "big" for me according to Riv's >> sizing recommendations, But I need to put the seat back all the way on the >> post and use a 100 cm stem with drops. Because my body

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

Hi John, My experience may help you decide, but to cut to the chase: I'd recommend not going outside Riv's PBH recommendations, and in fact I don't want to go even to the edge of their recommended range. In 2012 I bought a green 60cm first-run Sam. I worked with a dealer in Ohio and

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I am 6' tall with a 53.5 PBH - short legs, lng torso. I ride a 56cm Sam (last generation - Double TT) it is too "big" for me according to Riv's sizing recommendations, But I need to put the seat back all the way on the post and use a 100 cm stem with drops. Because my body proportions are

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I am a hair over 6'0 with a PBH of 90cm and had a 60cm Sam that fit very well. I think if I were getting one now I would be battleing between 58 and 62. My first instinct was to say "58," but the best bet is to talk it through with Riv. Now on a 58 Joe, Edwin On Friday, February 16, 2018 at

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I'm 5'7 and 83PBH and a 55/56 SH was too big for drops but fine w pullback bars or a short stem and drops but didnt like the sloping top tube look so sold On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 9:54:52 AM UTC-5, Marc Irwin wrote: > > I'm 5'11"and and have an 84 PBH. I ride 56 Hillborne and 54

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I'd say 58, esp. if you're gonna mostly ride pavement or packed trails. My wife rides her 58 Sam with a 74.9 saddle height which exposes about 4" of seatpost. She's 5'-9.5" and is mostly legs, with a PBH of 87.5, so her reach isn't as long as yours (...and her actual saddle height is lower

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I ride a 55cm and I’m 5’9” and It’s fine. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

>From the sounds of this, you have shorter legs? What is your PBH On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 7:18:55 AM UTC-5, eflayer wrote: > > I am 5'11 and I ride the biggest bikes of any one my height that I know. I > think my body proportions are not really abnormal in any way. I can ride a > 59 or

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I apologize if my posting was confusing. Not sure what the current Sam geo actually is since it is not easily found on the Riv website. On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 11:38:19 PM UTC-8, John W wrote: > > Hello folks, > > I'm reaching out for some input regarding current Sam Hillbornes. > >

[RBW] Re: Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

I am 5'11 and I ride the biggest bikes of any one my height that I know. I think my body proportions are not really abnormal in any way. I can ride a 59 or 60 top tube and still have about an 110 mm stem. I have never ridden anything with a 61 top tube as in a 60 Sam. I prefer as much headtube