Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

Dear Jeff, Many thanks for posting such a comprehensive album of Jobst's gorgeous yellow bike. Anyone on this list has an affinity for lugs; but fillet brazing can look mighty nice as evidenced by Peter Johnson's fine work. I dig the "engineering" to shift the Carradice bag away from the

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Wow, I work on the UC Davis campus and pass by the USBHOF regularly but had no idea that they had acquired Jobst's bike. I'll have to go pay homage one of these days. -Jeremy Till Sacramento, CA On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:41:19 PM UTC-8 Jeff B wrote: > As an aside to what modern

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Jeff, thanks for the nice photographs of the yellow bike. Beautiful machine, just about perfect, and not a spot of beausage. All you need and nothing more. JD On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 9:41 PM Jeff B wrote: > As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of > Jobst's

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As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of Jobst's bike at the US Bicycling Hall of Fame in Davis, CA. I'm not sure if this was his final or second to last bike. I don't know if it is still there and having it hanging from the ceiling makes it hard to photograph

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Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*). A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with 10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear online, but is supposed

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I really like the way the Skid Lid helmet looks! A bit reminiscent of the leather helmets. I wish that helmet design was a bit more diverse aesthetically. It's a bit lackluster the only major innovation in helmet tech has been the MIPS system. On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 10:04:21 AM UTC-8

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In case any of you are new to Kurcharik, if there are woolies your size snatch 'em up. I bought my first Kurcharik jersey in 2003 and twenty years later I'm still wearing it in daily rotation. No visible wear save for some sunshine fading on the backside. Otherwise looks brand new. Best deal

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I check regularly and all size S are gone nearly everywhere. Will miss these guys, they've been part of our consciousness for so many years. Great wool stuff at always reasonable prices. Good folks for sure. BEST / Jock Dewey On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at 8:42 AM Patrick Moore wrote: > I am still or

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He was prolific on the old rec.bicycles.tec site and had very engineering-based opinions on just about every bike subject, which he expressed loudly and often and agressively. Whoever maintains the Sheldon Brown/Harris Cyclery website put together a Jobst page, very interesting:

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I am still or was until last week or so still getting "closeout sale" emails from Kucharik; maybe they've finally shut down, but there were open until very recently. Harth Huffman, on the Boblist, owns Wabi Woolens who make excellent jerseys; better than Kucharik's IMO. On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at

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Eric, John Kucharick mentioned in an email to me that he's considering shutting down his website at the end of March. Kim Hetzel Yelm, WA. On Fri, Feb 3, 2023, 4:16 AM Eric Marth wrote: > Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik > closed up shop and liquidated

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Ditto on the Skid Lid. Never used it much, though, before the industry started to make some half way decent helmets - the ones with the thin plastic shell, lots of dense foam padding, and plenty of vents. Then again, I've been off and on when it comes to helmets over the past 50+ years of

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I also had a Skid Lid in their largest size, as the sizes git smaller they had more padding, same size shell for all. When they didn’t pass one iof the safety tests my local shop gave us discounts on Bell V1 Pros if we turned in the Skid Lid. This was late ‘70’s. Steve On Fri, Feb 3, 2023 at

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I have little to add to this discussion, except this; he was an engineer, correct? So whatever he would be riding & his reasoning would definitely be interesting.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 31, 2023, at 8:40 PM, Mackenzy Albright wrote:Haha! Touché Eric. I feel like Brandt falls into the heros of

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My 1st helmet was a yellow Skid Lid to match my Yellow Paramount. [image: Skid Lid.JPG] Laing On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 10:56:16 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: > George, > > I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather hair > nets". Then I graduated to a

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Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. On Thursday, February 2, 2023 at 11:01:14 PM UTC-5 krhe...@gmail.com wrote: > Eric, > > Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business

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Paul: that picture is from the top of Stelvio pass. While it is long (48 switchbacks) and about 6000' of climbing, it's actually a steady 7-10% grade, and nowhere as fearsome as some of the steepies here in the Bay Area. I did drag my 10 year old and 7 year old over the top of that pass last

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Eric, Try visiting Kucharick Bicycle Clothing. Going out of business sale ! https://www.kucharik.com/ I have bought some solid colored wool jerseys late last year from John Kucharick. They are luxurious merino wool ! Kim Hetzel Yelm, WA. On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 9:25:55 AM UTC-8

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George, I, too, remember well those days. I use to own one of those "leather hair nets". Then I graduated to a first issue Bell helmet. I wore and short wool cycling shorts with a natural chamois insert. Still love my wool jerseys, arm and leg warmers, especially here in the Pacific

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Eric, Great sleuthing to find that 2008 blog post by Brandt. Wonderful stuff. I'm not used to seeing him with grey hair like that. By the way, am I crazy? Is that his chain hanging loosely between the FD and the RD? I guess if I had just ridden up all those switchbacks I might have finished

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RE: JB Near as I can remember, I started lusting after bicycles at about age four...that was a long time ago now. A Dutch track bike dangled from a rafter in my Grandfather's garage. It was love at first sight. When I laid eyes on my first 10-speed in 1958—a Raleigh Bluestreak—my head (and

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I stand corrected, I knew that but can’t get over thinking otherwise for sone reason. So rare these days, riders without helmets. That, of course, is taboo discussion as well it should be. I suppose we all have favorite JB debunking, there are so many. My all-time fav is the old notion of not

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I expect Jobst would not choose carbon fiber, but I wonder if an intelligently designed -- ie, a good balance of light weight and strength -- carbon fiber frame would be less likely to crack under someone as big and powerful as he? Is this a use where carbon fiber would be better than steel? If

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I remember on r.b.tech Jobst said he ran a 47-50 half step up front with a modified "ultra 6" 13-24 freewheel in the back. He took a 12-24 7 speed and removed the 12 so that it would fit on a 126mm OLD hub that was more evenly dished, so that there was only space for a 5 speed or "Ultra 6"

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For some reason I thought I had read that fillet joints were lighter and stronger than lugs. If I recall quite a few concourse des machines bikes were fillet vs lugged. I just assumed it was more tedious construction because you have to fille joints as well as it's easier to overheat tubes. I

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No. He did not land on his head! His brain injury was caused by a stroke during the surgery that was done after he'd broken his leg from a fall. On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 10:10:30 AM UTC-8 John Dewey wrote: > Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of >

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Yes, that would be most interesting debate, the two Js: Jobst V. Jan. Of course, Jobst had solid engineering chops as exhibited in his work at Porsche. Ah, helmet debate. Jobst did land on his head & that was the end of the road for him. Sadly...or maybe not. BEST / Jock Dewey On Tue, Jan 31,

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Not Jobst, but I recall reading somewhere a remark by Skye Yeager that Coppi climbed the cols in a 46/19. Funny: watching old pro racing, the riders grunt up hills at 20 rpm and spin out seated in sprints at 160 rpm, whereas it's the opposite today. On Wed, Feb 1, 2023 at 7:22 AM Eric Marth

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I'd be interested to hear others' opinions about this; I hope it's true -- ie, I hope fillet brazing is one of the stronger joining methods. Ideas? Chauncey Matthews used bilaminate construction on my Matthews 1 (Fat tire road bike) and all fillet brazing on the 2020 road bike. Speaking of

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I can't wrap my head around the gearing in the pictures Jeremy shared. Good lord! He was pushing some big gears all the way to the end. On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 8:24:23 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote: > I think fillet brazing allowed him complete freedom of frame geometry and > tube sizing,

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I think fillet brazing allowed him complete freedom of frame geometry and tube sizing, without compromising strength (vs. lugs). I needed somewhat different geometry and tube sizing on my custom, due to my weight and lng torso, and that resulted in a fillet brazed bottom bracket as there

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I've read that AW hubs made before a certain date -- 1960s? -- had a design flaw that caused whatever tiny little metal part inside the hub -- Clutch? Pegs that engage the clutch? -- would flex in such a way to tend toward clutch disengagement under high torque. This was fixed in later models. Of

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I've actually met Jobst while touring (and he showed up for Western Wheeler rides once in a while). I was at the Jobst memorial ride with Tom Ritchey, etc., and watched as Ritchey cleared tree roots, etc., with 23mm tires that I wouldn't be able to do with a MTB. Jobst, once he found something

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Haha! Touché Eric. I feel like Brandt falls into the heros of the retrogrouch. Grant, Sheldon Brown, Rando Jan (not to be confused with Business Jan) Id love to hear a considerate counterpoint from somebody that says he'd be on a 54mm tire carbon open... On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 4:59:44

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The Riv list imagining Jobst riding a steel frame with rim brakes? Shocking! Eric On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 7:37 PM Philip Williamson < philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 > years. > >- Steel. He wasn't swayed by

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I think he'd ride a very similar bike today to the ones he rode for 50 years. - Steel. He wasn't swayed by aluminum, titanium, or carbon, the first time around, so nu-Jobst wouldn't choose them either. Steel is still tough, reliable, and cheap. - Fillet brazed? I imagine this was

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Well, Tom Ritchey may be credited with influencing newer bike technology to (a well-opinionated) Jobst. Jobst, who preferred steel drop bars. Having said that, Tom and Martha have discs on (at least) one of their tandems (but not all), and at Martha's request (according to Tom). That tandem

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Laing, I think you made a lot of solid arguments. Custom steel still feels like the way he'd go, and probably not so dissimilar to his no-frills road bikes of yore. I'm certainly grateful for his impact on the bicycle, riders, and builders of today, and for the journalists keeping his name

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If he were still around, I think he would probably still have the same setup as the 2008 photo, steel, rim brakes, clipless pedals. But that is not the question that seems to have been posed. As I understand the question, it is if his prime days were now, what would he be riding - basically

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Loved the Radavist article today, been a long time admirer of JB, used to loving pouring over his rec.bicycles.tech postings archived on yarchive.net . In terms of the thought experiment of what he would be riding today, as far as I know this

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I remember reading somewhere Jobst thought the 6 speeds on his freewheel were more than enough. And have read in more place's than today's TR/JB piece that Jobst didn't shift very much! Vaguely recall a direct quote from him saying he didn't shift every time the terrain changed. On Tuesday,

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That's true, but Jobst, Peter Johnson, John Loomis, Tom Ritchey, Charlie Cunningham, are all members of the Less Is More club. 130mm/135mm not enough room for a cassette, adequate strength hub and disc rotor to all fit. vtw d On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 10:42 AM Andrew Turner wrote: > I think I'd

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I think I'd agree that Jobst would remain an advocate for the rim brake...PROBABLY. But just to play devil's advocate, if Jobst was in his prime today, he wouldn't have been brought up with the old-school tech that we're familiar with him using, but I suppose being a *bit* of a retrogrouch

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Andrew, Thank you for sharing. The article was definitely worth the read. A few things stood out to me: - they were/are all *extremely *fit. - fear was not a word in their vocabulary. - what camaraderie (and competition) at the same time. - the Higgins' couple rock. Of course the stoker is

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I notice from the 2008 photo that he's migrated to clipless shoes and pedals. Also, he's wearing regular shorts instead of a pair of cycling-specific ones. Personally, I have to disagree about the wool. I find the newer Spandex shorts to be much more comfortable, especially so since they

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George — I do wish that there was more simple wool out there in nice solid colors and I think generally shorts are too long! On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 12:21:11 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote: > Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike very > similar to what he

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I'm also curious about the opinion of Brandt on modern cycling technology. One thing I've noticed is he is feverishly adamant about 1. Preventative failures and design flaws even if miniscule. 2. Repairability in the field. It makes me wonder about opinions on carbon. If you get a chip or

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Interesting discussion topic, Andrew. I picture Jobst today on a bike very similar to what he ran most of his life. Steel frame, no racks, rim brakes. Maybe a frame that would accommodate wider tires. Here's a picture of Jobst from his last Alpine tour in 2008 (read more here

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True. I remember those days. The most you see in one or two of those photos are riders wearing "leather hair nets," except for one who looks like he has a mountaineering helmet. Another thing I notice is much shorter cycling shorts, probably all wool with a natural chamois crotch. On

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Those pictures were taken before helmets were commonly available. During Bikecentennial helmets were rare. Steve On Tue, Jan 31, 2023 at 4:20 PM lconley wrote: > One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet. > > Laing > > On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM

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One thing I notice in those photos is that no one was wearing a helmet. Laing On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 10:49:25 AM UTC-5 andyree...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm in the process of building a JB-inspired road bike but with a nod to > current bicycle trends: mainly wider tires and spinnier