Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1,000. Why, oh why do manufacturers of "cycling" pants cut them low in
back or, alternatively, with high crotches? I've owned any number of
high-end and low-end cycling shorts, knickers, and long pants that, this
defect apart, would have been wonderful, but instead cut them like low-rise
street pants.

One recent offender is the pair of Osloh cycling jeans as heavily
advertised by Bike Snob. I had to pay a tailor ~$100 to have the waist
pinched to get a halfway-decent fit -- her work did not solve the low
waistband, but it did make the waist snug at the back, thus less liable to
dropping. (And, I had her remove some of the superfluous "cycling"
adaptations, like the useless chain pad on the inside of the right ankle
 -- they sewed in a snap-fastened ankle cinch; if that works, why the
pad??; and the stupid doubled rear pockets which just make it hard to get
your wallet properly placed.

OTOH, the pair of Nordstrom medium wool flannel dress pants that I had
converted to cycling dress knickers fit wonderfully, because they are high
rise; not 1940s high rise, but Jack Kennedy high rise, so that when you
drop down into the hooks, your back remains securely covered and insulated
from cold drafts between waistband and jersey hem.

My early-edition Riv knickers weren't the worst offenders, but they were
cut needlessly low in back. I sold them on for this and various other
cycling imperfections, at least to my taste.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 2:45 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't
> expect to buy the new ones.
>
> I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg
> straps. The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the
> elastic belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible
> buttcrack while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I
> hardly ever wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that
> scenery on riders behind me.
>
> As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose
> fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays
> covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference
> between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do
>
> As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for
> Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have
> to go elsewhere.
>
> Peter Adler
>  who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so
> either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about
> buttcrack exposure
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both
>> of my pairs of shorts.
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>
>>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
>>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
>>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Lyman Labry]

I’ve worn the Musa shorts for several years.  I dislike the elastic belt
and the seams on the rear pockets did not hold for long….other than than,
great durable shorts for cycling.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 3:45 PM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't
> expect to buy the new ones.
>
> I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg
> straps. The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the
> elastic belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible
> buttcrack while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I
> hardly ever wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that
> scenery on riders behind me.
>
> As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose
> fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays
> covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference
> between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do
>
> As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for
> Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have
> to go elsewhere.
>
> Peter Adler
>  who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so
> either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about
> buttcrack exposure
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both
>> of my pairs of shorts.
>> Steve
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>>
>>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
>>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
>>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Peter Adler]

Although a pair of pants (or maybe knickers) sound appealing, I don't 
expect to buy the new ones.

I own an earlier generation of the grey/blue pants, with Velcro leg straps. 
The material is fine, for what it is. My two primary beefs are the elastic 
belt and the silly-low rise, which combine to produce visible buttcrack 
while riding, or at least visible underpants. It's meant that I hardly ever 
wear them on a bike at all, as I do not wish to impose that scenery on 
riders behind me.

As I recall, the rise is low by design, because Grant doesn't like loose 
fabric on his butt. I do, especially if it means that the waistband stays 
covered by my shirt/jersey/sweater/jacket. Perhaps it's the difference 
between riding drop bars and uprights, which I'm not going to do

As with other Rivendell products, Grant designs products that work for 
Grant. If what works for Grant doesn't work for you, you're going to have 
to go elsewhere.

Peter Adler
 who gets exposed buttcrack with MUSA pants+Nitto Technomic+Noodles, so 
either Grant's beta-testing is not comprehensive or he doesn't care about 
buttcrack exposure
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 6:15:02 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of 
> my pairs of shorts. 
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>
>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only 
>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be 
>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[J S]

I have 2 pair long and 2 shorts from the first offering, the mustard color 
ones.  I wear them, but not as often as I used to.  Great pants and shorts. 
 I like to rode with the pants when cook since I can cinch the bottom of 
the leg opening.  

On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA 
> shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly 
> comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly 
> indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two. 
> Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint, I 
> can't abide mesh pockets.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Eric Marth]

I for one wish they were significantly shorter!

On Sunday, August 29, 2021 at 9:15:02 AM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of 
> my pairs of shorts. 
> Steve
>
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:
>
>> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only 
>> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be 
>> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
>> Frank
>> Tomahawk,WI
>>
>> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv 
>>> garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The 
>>> four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets. 
>>> Still going strong.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>>
 I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA 
 shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly 
 comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly 
 indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two. 
 Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint, 
 I can't abide mesh pockets.

 - Andrew, Berkeley

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Steven Sweedler]

I agree with Frank about the belt. I put a non elastic web belt in both of
my pairs of shorts.
Steve

On Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 8:56 AM Frank Brose  wrote:

> Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only
> complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be
> the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
> Frank
> Tomahawk,WI
>
> On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv
>> garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The
>> four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets.
>> Still going strong.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>>
>>> I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA
>>> shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly
>>> comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly
>>> indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two.
>>> Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint,
>>> I can't abide mesh pockets.
>>>
>>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[Frank Brose]

Had a pair on yesterday. I think I have 4 or 5 pairs and  the only 
complaint I have would be the belt. If they had a web belt they would be 
the best shorts I've ever owned. Probably still are. I'll buy more.
Frank
Tomahawk,WI

On Saturday, August 28, 2021 at 3:14:07 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv 
> garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The 
> four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets. 
> Still going strong.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:
>
>> I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA 
>> shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly 
>> comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly 
>> indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two. 
>> Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint, I 
>> can't abide mesh pockets.
>>
>> - Andrew, Berkeley
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants, knickers, shorts coming back

[RichS]

Andrew, resounding yes! MUSA shorts have been one of my favorite Riv 
garments too. Didn't know there was a version made with mesh pockets. The 
four pairs I own must be 6-7 years old with (thankfully) solid pockets. 
Still going strong.

Best,
Rich in ATL
On Friday, August 27, 2021 at 6:23:13 PM UTC-4 Berkeleyan wrote:

> I saw on the Blahg that RBW is getting in some new clothing. My MUSA 
> shorts have been the best garment I've owned, sturdy and perfectly 
> comfortable for hiking, riding, and general knocking about. Seemingly 
> indestructible, yet I'll still get another pair or two. 
> Anyone know if they'll be returning to solid pockets? My one complaint, I 
> can't abide mesh pockets.
>
> - Andrew, Berkeley
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Edwin W]

Patrick,

Thanks man! Got some of that non-roll elastic and it was perfect.

Edwin

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:00:00 PM UTC-5, Patrick Cronin wrote:
>
> Edwin,
>
> I've tried two replacements, both 1". One was from Amazon and it was total 
> crap. The other was from JoAnn Fabric and it is perfect! The latter was 
> "non-roll" and after comparing the two, I now understand what that means, 
> i.e. the Amazon one was so thin that it rolls lengthwise, whereas the JoAnn 
> band has ribbing that stops it from rolling or doubling over.
>  Here's a link with different colors:
> https://www.joann.com/sewing/sewing-and-quilting-supplies/elastic/
>
> I've also ditched the buckle and gone with a 1" plastic strap adjuster...
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
> On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
>> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
>> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
>> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
>> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>>
>> Thanks for any advice,
>>
>> Edwin
>> Nashville
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Patrick Cronin]

Edwin,

I've tried two replacements, both 1". One was from Amazon and it was total 
crap. The other was from JoAnn Fabric and it is perfect! The latter was 
"non-roll" and after comparing the two, I now understand what that means, 
i.e. the Amazon one was so thin that it rolls lengthwise, whereas the JoAnn 
band has ribbing that stops it from rolling or doubling over.
 Here's a link with different colors:
https://www.joann.com/sewing/sewing-and-quilting-supplies/elastic/

I've also ditched the buckle and gone with a 1" plastic strap adjuster...

Cheers,
Patrick
On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 8:16:00 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA pants and shorts replacement elastic band?

[Fullylugged]

The silver lining to gaining a little weight is that my MUSA shorts stay up 
better now. :)

On Monday, August 31, 2020 at 7:16:00 AM UTC-5 Edwin W wrote:

> Has anyone replaced the elastic band on their MUSA pants or shorts? I 
> replaced with climbing webbing, but it has no stretch. I would love to hear 
> of a tried a true source, as it is hard to see how thick the bands are 
> online, and I am not sure where to even go in person to find such a thing.
> I think it is a 15mm elastic band.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Edwin
> Nashville
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Joe Bernard]

I wear mine pretty much everywhere all fall and winter (I'm clearly single!) 
and find the stretchy waistband solves the "need a zipper" issue. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Robert Tilley]

  I received mine and the L was a good choice for my 33" waist. I was a bit surprised about the lack of a zipper on them. I can see that being an issue the first time I'm wearing them after drinking a Super Big Gulp.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSent: March 20, 2020 11:03 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants  I'm 5'11", 32" waist and the Mediums are a little tight. I'd probably have been better off with a large.On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:21:58 AM UTC-4, Dan Kretzer wrote:What can you tell me about the fit of the current MUSA long pants now back in stock? (the tapered ones)Always find buying clothes online risky. Most Riv stuff is cut generously but I'm probably at the upper end of the XL.(235 Lbs 36-38 waist depending on cut, 6'3")-Dan



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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

['Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm 5'11", 32" waist and the Mediums are a little tight. I'd probably have 
been better off with a large.

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 1:21:58 AM UTC-4, Dan Kretzer wrote:
>
> What can you tell me about the fit of the current MUSA long pants now back 
> in stock? (the tapered ones)
>
> Always find buying clothes online risky. Most Riv stuff is cut generously 
> but I'm probably at the upper end of the XL.
> (235 Lbs 36-38 waist depending on cut, 6'3")
>
> -Dan
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Joe Bernard]

I wear my grey/blue MUSA pants almost every day during the winter, occasionally 
even on the bike!

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[bruce.herbit...@gmail.com]

 I wore my blue MUSA pants today and loved them
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019, 12:00:08 PM CST, Mark Schneider 
 wrote:  
 
 I ordered the mediums and they are a lot tighter than the old pair of knickers 
I have. The fabric is very nice and they feel almost too nice to get grease all 
over them as I inevitably will. I guess if I had my druthers I'd love these in 
a knicker but these will be prefect for riding and hiking in cooler weather.
Mark

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 7:30:50 AM UTC-8, Christopher Cote wrote:
The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. $107 
(shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, small 
batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good they are. 
Anyone else order some?
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Mark Schneider]

I ordered the mediums and they are a lot tighter than the old pair of 
knickers I have. The fabric is very nice and they feel almost too nice to 
get grease all over them as I inevitably will. I guess if I had my druthers 
I'd love these in a knicker but these will be prefect for riding and hiking 
in cooler weather.

Mark

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 7:30:50 AM UTC-8, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. 
> $107 (shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, 
> small batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good 
> they are. Anyone else order some?
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Grady Wright]

I ordered the MUSA pants this time around because the fabric seemed to have 
a little more structure than the previous version and I was in need of some 
sporty pants. They arrived today and immediately I had to come here and 
share how pleased I am with them. I could have ordered the L or the XL 
based of the sizing chart. I ended up going with XL because I suspected my 
tree trunk legs might not fit with the L size. XL was the right choice for 
me. They have a nice fit. the pants are loose enough to be comfortable and 
fitted enough to look flattering, even if I were to lose a few pounds. The 
fabric is a little lighter than I had anticipated but it still has enough 
fabric to hold some structure. I might describe them as "all season" light 
enough for warmer weather and with a base layer warm enough for cross 
county skiing (which I am going to try out tomorrow on the winter 
solstice). I would buy again if they did another run. All in all pretty 
perfect.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Christopher Cote]

I received my pants today. I have to say that they are very nice. 
Definitely a cut above typical cycling clothing in quality. The fit is 
excellent. My 32" actual waist (typically wear pants labeled 30", yay 
vanity sizing!) fits the medium pants very well, and the length is 
sufficient for my 85cm PBH. The cuffs are slim, but I can still just pull 
them up over my knees (not something I would do, just a data point). I 
expect the right cuff will brush the outer chainring, so I'll plan on 
wearing an ankle strap on the bike. I can fit my Fox knee pads under the 
pants comfortably. Very happy overall.

Chris


On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 10:30:50 AM UTC-5, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. 
> $107 (shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, 
> small batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good 
> they are. Anyone else order some?
>
> Chris
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Addison Wilhite]

Thinking I want to order these.  I have a 32" waist, 145 lbs, and am 5'6"
with a 30ish inch inseam.  I seem to be right in between S and M.
Recommendations on which size to order?

Thanks much!

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

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On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 9:24 AM Robert Gardner <
robert.harris.gard...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Got the new MUSA pants yesterday.
>
> For reference, I am 6"2, 220ish pounds, stocky build and the Large's fit
> fantastic. Yes they are more snug than past iterations, but that guarantees
> I will basically live in them. Super comfy out of the box, they go with
> everything and haven't "slipped" down my bottom when I rode in them today
> (unlike, say, the Patagonia baggies pants that I have which end up in a
> special place if I try and ride in them).
>
> Also, the light stretch is very clutch.
>
> After one day, strong recommend.
>
> - rg in dc
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:58 AM John A. Bennett 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Mike,
>>
>> We ordered a few pairs ---very few--- so if you want to try a pair, lemme
>> know your size, and I can hold them 'til Saturday.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> John at Rivelo
>>
>> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 5:12:18 AM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm intrigued by these. Hopefully they'll have them at Rivelo where I
>>> can check them out before purchasing. I have a pair of large green ones
>>> that I've had for probably 10yrs that I wear from time to time. I hate the
>>> look and fit but they do work. Riv shorts are still my all-time favorite
>>> cycling shorts. I hate the cut and wish they were less billowy but they are
>>> so perfect for long rambles on hot days. They're okay for hiking as long as
>>> you don't have anything in your pockets.
>>>
>>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Robert Gardner]

Got the new MUSA pants yesterday.

For reference, I am 6"2, 220ish pounds, stocky build and the Large's fit
fantastic. Yes they are more snug than past iterations, but that guarantees
I will basically live in them. Super comfy out of the box, they go with
everything and haven't "slipped" down my bottom when I rode in them today
(unlike, say, the Patagonia baggies pants that I have which end up in a
special place if I try and ride in them).

Also, the light stretch is very clutch.

After one day, strong recommend.

- rg in dc

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 8:58 AM John A. Bennett  wrote:

> Dear Mike,
>
> We ordered a few pairs ---very few--- so if you want to try a pair, lemme
> know your size, and I can hold them 'til Saturday.
>
> All the best,
>
> John at Rivelo
>
> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 5:12:18 AM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>>
>> I'm intrigued by these. Hopefully they'll have them at Rivelo where I can
>> check them out before purchasing. I have a pair of large green ones that
>> I've had for probably 10yrs that I wear from time to time. I hate the look
>> and fit but they do work. Riv shorts are still my all-time favorite cycling
>> shorts. I hate the cut and wish they were less billowy but they are so
>> perfect for long rambles on hot days. They're okay for hiking as long as
>> you don't have anything in your pockets.
>>
>> --mike
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[John A. Bennett]

Dear Mike,

We ordered a few pairs ---very few--- so if you want to try a pair, lemme 
know your size, and I can hold them 'til Saturday. 

All the best,

John at Rivelo

On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 5:12:18 AM UTC-8, Leaf Slayer wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued by these. Hopefully they'll have them at Rivelo where I can 
> check them out before purchasing. I have a pair of large green ones that 
> I've had for probably 10yrs that I wear from time to time. I hate the look 
> and fit but they do work. Riv shorts are still my all-time favorite cycling 
> shorts. I hate the cut and wish they were less billowy but they are so 
> perfect for long rambles on hot days. They're okay for hiking as long as 
> you don't have anything in your pockets.
>
> --mike
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Adam Leibow]

i ordered a set and i love them. nice stretchy material and the fit/cut is 
better than the old version. very nice. wish they came in green tho. 

On Friday, December 13, 2019 at 7:30:50 AM UTC-8, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. 
> $107 (shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, 
> small batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good 
> they are. Anyone else order some?
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[BSWP]

And already sold out of my size... sigh. I'm resigned to looking elsewhere 
for pants I can wear on and off the bike. I was ready for the sticker 
shock, and was even prepared to tolerate the mesh pockets.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Fullylugged]

I have the original tan, 2nd generation tan and then the 3rd generation blue.  
The original nylon was lighter and better for hot days. The later stuff is 
better for cooler days. None are good for spirited riding. They don't do sweat 
well. I wear them for easy Sunday social club rides or causal rides to town for 
coffee, lunch, vet supply pick up for my critters, a haircut, etc. They work 
GREAT for that.  The Riv shorts OTOH are okay for hard riding in warmer 
weather. I have both the original butternut and the boosucker. The boosucker is 
the bomb but came and went very quickly.

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Joe Bernard]

I agree about cost. My luck with sizing these hasn't been great, but the price 
is fair for gear you can wear on the bike, then not look completely ridiculous 
for the shopping run. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Ed Carolipio]

I just ordered a pair for the stretch and taper, and added some stuff to 
get to the free shipping threshold. I have two pairs of the last gen and 
use those exclusively for any casual/commute ride when the air gets cool 
out or for light rain here in Southern California. I hear you on the cost 
but in comparison to what? For casual or sweat pants I agree they're 
pricey, but for pants designed for casual/commute cycling that can be worn 
in light rain, the price compares well to what's out there.

--Ed C.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Robert Gardner]

I bought a pair bc they aren’t as baggy. I also love the mesh pockets jst 
in case

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> On Dec 14, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Christopher Cote 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> The new ones are supposed to be less baggy. Sounds like they aren't letting 
> Grant design clothing anymore (or he's willingly passed that task on). The 
> new ones are also a polyester/lycra blend. I think that will be good from a 
> fit and comfort perspective, but potentially far less durable than the 100% 
> nylon that the original pants used.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Saturday, December 14, 2019 at 9:40:10 AM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote:
>> I love mine.  I have three pair, 2 gray, 1 black.  The black do seem 
>> smaller.  At any rate, I wear them almost every day and have found them to 
>> wear extremely well.
>> Bill S
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Christopher Cote]

The new ones are supposed to be less baggy. Sounds like they aren't letting 
Grant design clothing anymore (or he's willingly passed that task on). The 
new ones are also a polyester/lycra blend. I think that will be good from a 
fit and comfort perspective, but potentially far less durable than the 100% 
nylon that the original pants used.

Chris


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>
> I love mine.  I have three pair, 2 gray, 1 black.  The black do seem 
> smaller.  At any rate, I wear them almost every day and have found them to 
> wear extremely well.
>
> Bill S
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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Bill Schairer]

I love mine.  I have three pair, 2 gray, 1 black.  The black do seem smaller.  
At any rate, I wear them almost every day and have found them to wear extremely 
well.

Bill S

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Leaf Slayer]

I'm intrigued by these. Hopefully they'll have them at Rivelo where I can 
check them out before purchasing. I have a pair of large green ones that 
I've had for probably 10yrs that I wear from time to time. I hate the look 
and fit but they do work. Riv shorts are still my all-time favorite cycling 
shorts. I hate the cut and wish they were less billowy but they are so 
perfect for long rambles on hot days. They're okay for hiking as long as 
you don't have anything in your pockets.

--mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[John Buglino]

Wait I thought this run was all black?  Is that not true?  

In any case I’ll probably buy a pair or two.  Similar to Joe, I prefer the 
shorts for actual biking, but the MUSA pants are nice for lounging about the 
house/doing chores.  Plus I like supporting Riv in the hopes of even more Wooly 
Warm stuff one day.  

Best 

John in Jersey City 

> On Dec 13, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> Id do it to support the business, however the blue crotch is a deal breaker 
> for me. i thought the whole riv thing was to ride in normal looking clothes. 
> i truly do not understand the insistence to make the crotches on all of their 
> clothes a contrasting color. 
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Drw]

Id do it to support the business, however the blue crotch is a deal breaker 
for me. i thought the whole riv thing was to ride in normal looking 
clothes. i truly do not understand the insistence to make the crotches on 
all of their clothes a contrasting color. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Joe Bernard]

I bought L grey/blue a few years ago and they work sorta, but I'm constantly 
having to pull the legs up a bit 'cause they catch on my knees while pedaling. 
More recently I bought L black and they were smaller/no go. 

I like the look and idea of these garments, but they don't seem to work well 
for my admittedly hard to fit self. I do love the shorts, I have several. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Brian Campbell]

Simply the price of supporting small business. Prepare to be underwhelmed. 
Pants can only do so much. ;-)

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>
> The new pants are available to order. I just ordered a pair of mediums. 
> $107 (shipped) for a pair of pants is bonkers. I get it, USA manufactured, 
> small batch, lots of overhead... I'm hoping to be blown away by how good 
> they are. Anyone else order some?
>
> Chris
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants

[Christopher Wiggins]

Thanks y'all.  Just one pair of XL left.

On Thursday, October 3, 2019 at 4:00:44 PM UTC-4, Christopher Wiggins wrote:
>
> I just found 3 pair of MUSA pants in a box.  Marked down to $72, and 
> available on my website now.
>
> As always, thank you for your consideration.
>
> Chris
>
> https://thepsychicderailleur.com/product/musa-pant-grey-with-blue-gusset/
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Julian]

That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs to 
your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now 
they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
> in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
> see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

> I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few sizes. 

I first checked earlier this week.  At that point and now (at least as the 
RBW site opens for me) it is not a matter of few sizes of the MUSA pants on 
the site, but no sizes.  Had RBW kept MUSA pants on the site but in only a 
few sizes, or even with a sold out note, I would have assumed, as you say, 
they will be restocked soon.

As it is, MUSA pants are nowhere to be found on the site.  I guess I could 
have called first and asked are you selling something that is not even on 
the site.  But it seemed to make sense to me anyway to ask here whether 
something was up before wasting their time.  

Glad I amused you.

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Re: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Eric Daume]

So how do the new pants fit vs. the old? I thought the new pants were
baggier, but if they're tapered, maybe not.

Eric
who needs skinny and long

On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 2:26 PM, Geoffrey  wrote:

> This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about the
> Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the pictures,
> I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but she's coming!)
> A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few
> sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I emailed
> Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our conversation,
> this is what he said:
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
>
>
> We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the
> pants around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you
> know if any are available.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
> then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second version
> (which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) and this
> is what he said:
>
>
>
>
> The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we have
> around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let me
> know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have more
> January.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vince
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>>
>> That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs
>> to your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now
>> they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5!
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where
>>> my MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a
>>> hole in one of them.
>>>
>>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to
>>> see none there.
>>>
>>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on
>>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Geoffrey]

This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about the 
Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the pictures, 
I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but she's coming!)
A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few 
sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I emailed 
Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our conversation, 
this is what he said:

Hi Geoff,

 

We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the pants 
around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you know 
if any are available.

 

Best regards,

Vince




then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second version 
(which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) and this 
is what he said:




The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we have 
around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let me 
know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have more 
January.

 

Best regards,

Vince

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs to 
> your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now 
> they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5! 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
>> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
>> in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>> see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Geoffrey]

apologies, I was on a different "site" re: the Sterling / Bilenky :)  My 
"bad"


On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:26:20 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about the 
> Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the pictures, 
> I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but she's coming!)
> A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few 
> sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I emailed 
> Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our conversation, 
> this is what he said:
>
> Hi Geoff,
>
>  
>
> We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the 
> pants around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you 
> know if any are available.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vince
>
>
>
>
> then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second version 
> (which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) and this 
> is what he said:
>
>
>
>
> The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we have 
> around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let me 
> know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have more 
> January.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Vince
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>>
>> That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs 
>> to your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now 
>> they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5! 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where 
>>> my MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a 
>>> hole in one of them.  
>>>
>>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>>> see none there.
>>>
>>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Ron Mc]

thanks, saw that too late - I could use one pair of long pants, my favorite 
grays have a couple of holes

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:35:32 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> Ron, they have more of the original style pants coming in January.
>
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:33:01 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> I will be disappointed without them - that's all I wear to bike, shorts 
>> or knickers, and the long pants are for winter bumming and cool-weather 
>> kayaking.  Part of Rivendell's problem must be that they last so long. 
>>
>> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:27:15 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>>>
>>> apologies, I was on a different "site" re: the Sterling / Bilenky :)  My 
>>> "bad"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:26:20 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:

 This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about 
 the Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the 
 pictures, I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but 
 she's coming!)
 A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few 
 sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I 
 emailed 
 Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our 
 conversation, 
 this is what he said:

 Hi Geoff,

  

 We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the 
 pants around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you 
 know if any are available.

  

 Best regards,

 Vince




 then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second 
 version (which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) 
 and this is what he said:




 The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we 
 have around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let 
 me know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have 
 more 
 January.

  

 Best regards,

 Vince

 On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y 
> MUSAs to your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, 
> and now they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was 
> only 
> $5! 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP 
>> where my MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to 
>> burn 
>> a hole in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only 
>> to see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Ron Mc]

I will be disappointed without them - that's all I wear to bike, shorts or 
knickers, and the long pants are for winter bumming and cool-weather 
kayaking.  Part of Rivendell's problem must be that they last so long. 

On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:27:15 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>
> apologies, I was on a different "site" re: the Sterling / Bilenky :)  My 
> "bad"
>
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:26:20 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>>
>> This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about 
>> the Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the 
>> pictures, I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but 
>> she's coming!)
>> A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few 
>> sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I emailed 
>> Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our conversation, 
>> this is what he said:
>>
>> Hi Geoff,
>>
>>  
>>
>> We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the 
>> pants around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you 
>> know if any are available.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Vince
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second version 
>> (which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) and this 
>> is what he said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we 
>> have around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let 
>> me know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have more 
>> January.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Vince
>>
>> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>>>
>>> That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs 
>>> to your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now 
>>> they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5! 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where 
 my MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a 
 hole in one of them.  

 So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only 
 to see none there.

 Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
 point.  Anyone know what's up?

>>>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Geoffrey]

Ron, they have more of the original style pants coming in January.


On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:33:01 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I will be disappointed without them - that's all I wear to bike, shorts or 
> knickers, and the long pants are for winter bumming and cool-weather 
> kayaking.  Part of Rivendell's problem must be that they last so long. 
>
> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:27:15 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>>
>> apologies, I was on a different "site" re: the Sterling / Bilenky :)  My 
>> "bad"
>>
>>
>> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 1:26:20 PM UTC-5, Geoffrey wrote:
>>>
>>> This site cracks me up sometimes.  While people were speculating about 
>>> the Sterling being a Bilenky and complaining about the quality of the 
>>> pictures, I was buying it for 200 bucks.  (still haven't gotten it but 
>>> she's coming!)
>>> A couple of days ago, I checked the Riv site and saw they had very few 
>>> sizes.  Instead of lamenting the fact and jumping to conclusions, I emailed 
>>> Keisha who in turn said "I dunno" and brought Vince in to our conversation, 
>>> this is what he said:
>>>
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> We will be getting more in January. There are some extra stock of the 
>>> pants around here. Please let me know what size you take and I can let you 
>>> know if any are available.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> then I inquired if they were going to be tapered like the second version 
>>> (which I didn't like, much preferred the straighter legged ones) and this 
>>> is what he said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The new ones we'll be getting will not have a taper. The only ones we 
>>> have around here are tapered and have a zipper closure at the bottom. Let 
>>> me know if you're interested in the tapered ones, otherwise we'll have more 
>>> January.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Vince
>>>
>>> On Friday, September 25, 2015 at 6:14:12 AM UTC-5, Julian wrote:

 That is indeed sad news -- but in the meanwhile take those hole-y MUSAs 
 to your local alteration tailor -- I had a hole in a pair, did so, and now 
 they're patched, can't tell at all from >3 ft away, and it was only $5! 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 



 On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 8:30:22 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where 
> my MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a 
> hole in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only 
> to see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>


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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

Thanks.  Beginning to worry I should have horded when I had the chance.


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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[drew]

yeah, my understanding is that most musa items are not being reordered for 
the foreseeable future. i asked specifically about the pants a while back 
and they pretty much said to start looking for alternative options. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Michael Ullmer]

Glad I'm not the only one who managed to burn a hole in my MUSA pants while 
camping...


On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:00:26 AM UTC-7, hangtownmatt wrote:
>
> I find it hard to believe the long MUSA pants in various colors were not a 
> popular high volume product.  I wear them all winter long.  I was very 
> disappointed when they were cancelled, but I wouldn't pay $100 +.
>
> Matt
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 6:30:22 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
>> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
>> in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>> see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I find it hard to believe the long MUSA pants in various colors were not a 
popular high volume product.  I wear them all winter long.  I was very 
disappointed when they were cancelled, but I wouldn't pay $100 +.

Matt

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 6:30:22 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
> in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
> see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Matthew J]

Probably should set up a Burnt Hole in MUSA Pants While Camping sub group! 
  

The soft nylon fabric that makes them so comfortable and adaptable to 
different temperatures with changes in base layers does mean they are more 
vulnerable to burns.

In my defense, a fellow camper insisted on stocking the camp fire with sap 
filled pine logs that blew off embers onto me.  

At least one pair survived intact. 

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Steve Cole]

In a heartbeat, I would buy a couple of pairs of MUSA pants.  Hope others 
who might be interested will say so and perhaps Riv will respond by 
offering them again.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:30:22 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
> in one of them.  
>
> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
> see none there.
>
> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[John Phillips]

I sure hope they bring back the MUSA knickers. Otherwise, my only choice is 
to stop losing weight.

This is depressing. I live in my MUSA knickers & MUSA shorts...oh well.

John

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 3:34:31 PM UTC-7, Steve Cole wrote:
>
> In a heartbeat, I would buy a couple of pairs of MUSA pants.  Hope others 
> who might be interested will say so and perhaps Riv will respond by 
> offering them again.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 9:30:22 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a 10 day cycle camping trip around Glacier NP where my 
>> MUSA pants performed wonderfully.  That is until I managed to burn a hole 
>> in one of them.  
>>
>> So I went to the RBW site figuring I would buy a new pair or two only to 
>> see none there.
>>
>> Hoping this is a temporary.  I do not recall any recent Blug posts on 
>> point.  Anyone know what's up?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Hi, all.

Well, I'm no longer hopeful. Now I see several of the "still available" (i. e. 
still on the website) are in fact almost gone. That leads me to conclude the 
MUSA line is heading for "hiatus" at least, as RBW indicated earlier. I'm glad 
I have at least one pair of knickers that fit. For long pants I shall make do 
with my XXL pants I guess.

Are there actual alternatives out there?

Yours,
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants?

[EGNolan]

+1 on the love for my MUSA pants & the burnt hole while camping. 

Best,
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[RBW] Re: musa pants inseam question

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi DS,
I'm 5' 7 (on a tall day). PBH ~80-ish. 30 inseam for pants. 

I wear the MUSA Small pants. I just measured mine, and they are 31 inseam. 
The leg is tapered, and when the zipper is closed, there's no heel 
dragging. I measured the cuff, and it's ~13 (circumference).

I wear ~30 waist, and these fit fine. (Maybe a bit snug, but nitpicking.)

The pants (and knickers and shorts) are great for many activities. I've 
noticed that the material seems more windproof and heat retaining than 
other nylon-type bottoms that I have-- I run warmer in MUSA than my other 
gear.

LMK if you have any questions,
Shoji



On Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:28:03 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:

 for any shorter musa pants owner, how is the long inseam?

 i'm 5'7, 30 inseam (but really only because no one makes 29 inseams)

 do the leg openings and zipper tighten up enough to cinch it around the 
 ankle and keep it from dragging down below the heel? or will someone short 
 like me just suffer from having really long pants that drag.


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Re: [RBW] Re: musa pants inseam question

[David Stein]

Thanks Shoji. That helps a good bit. I'm a 32 waist normally but hoping a 
small will work with the expandable strap on the waist. the shorts I have are a 
medium and fit great. Are they snug with the straps on the waist expanded out 
as far as they can go?

These will be more for hiking and camping mostly, some riding.

On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.takaha...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi DS,
 I'm 5' 7 (on a tall day). PBH ~80-ish. 30 inseam for pants. 
 
 I wear the MUSA Small pants. I just measured mine, and they are 31 inseam. 
 The leg is tapered, and when the zipper is closed, there's no heel dragging. 
 I measured the cuff, and it's ~13 (circumference).
 
 I wear ~30 waist, and these fit fine. (Maybe a bit snug, but nitpicking.)
 
 The pants (and knickers and shorts) are great for many activities. I've 
 noticed that the material seems more windproof and heat retaining than other 
 nylon-type bottoms that I have-- I run warmer in MUSA than my other gear.
 
 LMK if you have any questions,
 Shoji
 
 
 
 On Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:28:03 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:
 for any shorter musa pants owner, how is the long inseam?
 
 i'm 5'7, 30 inseam (but really only because no one makes 29 inseams)
 
 do the leg openings and zipper tighten up enough to cinch it around the ankle 
 and keep it from dragging down below the heel? or will someone short like me 
 just suffer from having really long pants that drag.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: musa pants inseam question

[Shoji Takahashi]

Yes, snug buckled with the straps expanded as far as possible. When 
unbuckled, there's no issue, and I think would be fine for 32. You could 
redo the buckle, if the fit was otherwise fine.

But maybe the medium would be better if the other dimensions are close 
enough?

(Hiking and camping would be great-- and colder weather riding.)

 

On Sunday, June 15, 2014 9:53:10 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:

 Thanks Shoji. That helps a good bit. I’m a 32” waist normally but hoping a 
 small will work with the expandable strap on the waist. the shorts I have 
 are a medium and fit great. Are they snug with the straps on the waist 
 expanded out as far as they can go?

 These will be more for hiking and camping mostly, some riding.

 On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:38 PM, Shoji Takahashi shoji.t...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Hi DS,
 I'm 5' 7 (on a tall day). PBH ~80-ish. 30 inseam for pants. 

 I wear the MUSA Small pants. I just measured mine, and they are 31 
 inseam. The leg is tapered, and when the zipper is closed, there's no heel 
 dragging. I measured the cuff, and it's ~13 (circumference).

 I wear ~30 waist, and these fit fine. (Maybe a bit snug, but nitpicking.)

 The pants (and knickers and shorts) are great for many activities. I've 
 noticed that the material seems more windproof and heat retaining than 
 other nylon-type bottoms that I have-- I run warmer in MUSA than my other 
 gear.

 LMK if you have any questions,
 Shoji



 On Sunday, June 15, 2014 7:28:03 PM UTC-4, DS wrote:

 for any shorter musa pants owner, how is the long inseam?

 i'm 5'7, 30 inseam (but really only because no one makes 29 inseams)

 do the leg openings and zipper tighten up enough to cinch it around the 
 ankle and keep it from dragging down below the heel? or will someone short 
 like me just suffer from having really long pants that drag.


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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[Garth]

BTW.. can anyone measure the inseam of their shorts and knickers?
Give the size of yours also. I know it has a diamond crotch, but if
you lay them down you can pinpoint where the crotch seam would be.
Thanks ...
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[Bruce]

I have both MUSA and the Zoics linked by David. The Musa is nicely made, but 
flaps in the wind. with a loose fit, headwinds can be somewhat irritating, as 
your shorts blow up up your leg. The MUSA has normal back pockets which are 
very handy. The Zoics stay in place and are more comfortable to me. They lack 
rear pockets but have leg pockets. They come with a removable, high quality 
padded liner. Having weight in them though when I pedal is not great, as I can 
feel it when I pedal. In short, both shorts have good and bad points.


I sold my MUSA knickers as they just felt a little dead to me. Like David, 
I'd prefer MUSAs with some spandex mixed in.


Tailwinds



From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 29, 2009 9:52:09 PM
Subject: [RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers  Shorts

Sorry, not a direct comparison, but the MUSAs are pretty light and sturdy.  A 
little Spandex in them would be great, but they are good shorts!

These look like a real good option, that have some Spandex:  
http://zoic.com/blackmarketshort

Cheers


  
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[Garth]

Thanks for the replies.  I think I may stick with Ex Officio's for
now. It doesn't sound like the elastic belt is what I'm looking for.
From the photos it appears the belt could be replaced rather simply as
it appears only to be stitched in one place but I'd rather get
them as I wanted. The great thing about Amphi pants is the nylon is so
supple you just roll them up to below your knees without bulk.  I do
really like knickers though . I don't like pants  which ,makes
things difficult in a mid-eastern winter. I've also used some Columbia
brand windpants that have drawcords built into the hem . just pull
them up and cinch the drawcord around the excess.


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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[Jim M.]

I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really
lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of
mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up
great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine
for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they
tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but  they are a size too big
(they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct
size. All in all, I'm happy with them.

Jim

On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a
 lightweight weave.  I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the
 briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight
 and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year)

   I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA
 pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ...
 or not.

 Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that
 doesn't really hold?

 Is the belt removable/replaceable?

 -Garth
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[Cycletex]

Don't have the knickers but I wear the Musa shorts and I've got a pair
of the Ex Officio pants that I'm pretty sure are the amphi's and are
definitely the super flyweight nylon.

The Musa's are lightweight but I wouldn't call it flyweight and the
fabric is just a hair / smidgen stiffer than the Ex Officio's. Not
stiff at all, but only in comparison. The Musa material has that
slightly shiny nylon effect.

My shorts also tend to come down in the back unless cinched up tight
and pulled up when saddling up. Even then they come down in the back a
bit. Still, I really like them. I wear a cutoff pair of Jonesware wool
padded shorts underneath and that's a real comfy combo even for long
rides. Off the bike, I wear the Musa's almost every day.

Belt is fine for my use. Never thought about it much so it must be
working properly. I don't think it's removable.

Hope that helps some.

Clif
http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/

On Sep 29, 12:35 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
 I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really
 lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of
 mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up
 great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine
 for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they
 tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but  they are a size too big
 (they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct
 size. All in all, I'm happy with them.

 Jim

 On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:

  I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a
  lightweight weave.  I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the
  briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight
  and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year)

    I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA
  pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ...
  or not.

  Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that
  doesn't really hold?

  Is the belt removable/replaceable?

  -Garth
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[RBW] Re: MUSA Pants, Knickers Shorts

[David Estes]

Sorry, not a direct comparison, but the MUSAs are pretty light and sturdy.
A little Spandex in them would be great, but they are good shorts!

These look like a real good option, that have some Spandex:
http://zoic.com/blackmarketshort

Cheers

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.comwrote:


 Don't have the knickers but I wear the Musa shorts and I've got a pair
 of the Ex Officio pants that I'm pretty sure are the amphi's and are
 definitely the super flyweight nylon.

 The Musa's are lightweight but I wouldn't call it flyweight and the
 fabric is just a hair / smidgen stiffer than the Ex Officio's. Not
 stiff at all, but only in comparison. The Musa material has that
 slightly shiny nylon effect.

 My shorts also tend to come down in the back unless cinched up tight
 and pulled up when saddling up. Even then they come down in the back a
 bit. Still, I really like them. I wear a cutoff pair of Jonesware wool
 padded shorts underneath and that's a real comfy combo even for long
 rides. Off the bike, I wear the Musa's almost every day.

 Belt is fine for my use. Never thought about it much so it must be
 working properly. I don't think it's removable.

 Hope that helps some.

 Clif
 http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/

 On Sep 29, 12:35 pm, Jim M. mather...@gmail.com wrote:
  I can't compare them directly to Ex Officio but they are really
  lightweight nylon. Still tough, though. I use my knickers for a lot of
  mountain biking (including occasional falling) and they are holding up
  great. I also do errands in them a lot. The elastic keeps them up fine
  for my road riding. For mountain riding, where I stand up a lot, they
  tend to slip if I don't wear suspenders, but  they are a size too big
  (they were on sale) and I imagine they would be fine in the correct
  size. All in all, I'm happy with them.
 
  Jim
 
  On Sep 29, 9:25 am, Garth garth...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I'm considering trying some MUSA knickers. I've read the nylon is a
   lightweight weave.  I've worn Ex Officio Amphi shorts/pants with the
   briefs cut out for many years. and the nylon there is flyweight
   and super supple, some feel like silk.(They vary from year to year)
 
 I'm wondering if anyone has both Amphi pants/shorts and some MUSA
   pants/shorts/knickers and can say if the nylon is about the same. ...
   or not.
 
   Is the belt good and stiff elastic, or is the cheap wimpy stuff that
   doesn't really hold?
 
   Is the belt removable/replaceable?
 
   -Garth
 



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