[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

The one that makes you happiest. On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 8:03:14 PM UTC-8 Ben Miller wrote: > The "Path Less Pedaled" YouTube channel just released a video with the > provocative title "Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better? > " > > The

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Perfectly stated, Ben! I have a Lightningbolt Disc in large part because I wanted to support a small company that was disrupting the bike industry, but I was also curious about low trail. I plan to buy an Appaloosa in the next batch in a large part because of BRF, and secondly because I don't

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Confession; I got to work with Rory before his demons killed him. It was both a joy and a tragedy, he was such a prolific talent and one of the sweetest people you could meet. But daily in the studio, by mid-evening he had drunk himself to the point of no return and we spent the next 6 to 8

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I enjoy the “Bike Brand Guru = ‘70s Guitar God” game way more than I enjoy listening to ‘70s guitar gods. I only know Rory Gallagher from the Black 47 song “Rory.” I’ll watch the Russ video later, and then comment if I have anything to say. Philip Santa Rosa, CA On Thursday, February 11, 2021

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Jason wrote: *Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite pragmatic. I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question

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Jason wrote: Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite pragmatic. I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question

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Hahaha, love this. Riv> Creedence Clearwater Revival Surly> Captain Beefheart Bruce Gordon> Steely Dan Crust> Naplam Death On Friday, February 12, 2021 at 2:18:52 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: > Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite > pragmatic. I think those who

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Finally watched the video. Nothing too surprising in there but quite pragmatic. I think those who were immediately turned off by the "click bait" title are (understandably) reactionary towards this and missed the actual intention of the title: it's simply a quote of the question he apparently

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Well one of the interesting questions that follows from the Riv/Crust approach is whether anyone else is doing the same thing. If not, why? The only example I know of for certain is Stooge Cycles in the UK, which has an approach based on limited runs of production bikes made in a major Taiwanese

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I don't think anyone is disputing the notion that Rivendell and Crust are niche brands that have created a feeling, or lifestyle or culture around their brand. Those words sound not quite right and maybe a bit too premeditated. In the case of these two companies, the marketing angle is really

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I absolutely agree with Ben's point about how both Rivendell and Crust have tried to build up a subculture around their brands that is about more than just the bikes. At the same time, doing this helps people get an idea of what you can do with the bikes they make, e.g. the way the Scapegoat is a

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Party on, Garth  On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 3:34:10 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote: > Ray Lynch . Nothing Above My Shoulders But The Evening > > > On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 6:26:42 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote: > >> Which is better . ahahahahahah\a ... that's good one ! >> What's

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Ray Lynch . Nothing Above My Shoulders But The Evening On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 6:26:42 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote: > Which is better . ahahahahahah\a ... that's good one ! > What's better mean ? > (looking in the dictionary ) > ( shrugs shoulders ) > It's defined with more

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Which is better . ahahahahahah\a ... that's good one ! What's better mean ? (looking in the dictionary ) ( shrugs shoulders ) It's defined with more words. and each one of those words is defined by yet more words. Kinda wordy isn't it ? smiling Lots of words but doesn't

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Ah... Reckoner...one of my favorite songs from my favorite band. And one of the first songs I learned when I purchased my first guitar in January 2020, PreCovid times. This live version is still my favorite: https://youtu.be/2FMP-9bn9N8 Addison Wilhite, M.A. Academy of Arts, Careers and

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

My guitarist is Peter Frampton. Get his new instrumental album April 23rd, this is Reckoner, a Radiohead song. Enjoy! https://youtu.be/RHdj_-x_51c On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 11:40:59 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: > I responded to the original post which referred to the Crust as the low >

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I responded to the original post which referred to the Crust as the low trail bike. I didnt watch the video, it doesn't interest me and I wasn't responding to its content. On Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 5:26:38 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote: > I get a big kick out of all the people with

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Okay, okay, I have to admit Johnny's comparisons of "Riv is to the Dead as Crust is to Bowie" got a laugh out of me. That and some of the other comments got me thinking a bit, Riv and Crust are more than just the bikes. Sure other bike companies were influenced by Grant: Surly, Velo Orange,

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Just to clarify, I'm certainly not getting bent because I'm not a fan of the video editing (or the content, for that matter.) And whether or not he is making money, or is trying to make money, or is performing a public service because he enjoys the luxury of enough free time to do so, is not

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I love bike comparison videos of every kind. I want to see Rivs vs Rivs with some tiny difference, Riv vs Crusts, Surlys, carbon TT bikes, everything. I want to see "I took my Electra Townie to a pump track", "super-low-trail bike vs penny farthing for grocery getter", "55 Atlantis 29er vs 56

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

If I had a YouTube channel and wanted people to watch, click the like button, subscribe, etc... I'd probably write titles that makes people want to click them. When I go shopping for a car, I don't get bent about car sales tactics that are there for a reason, even if they kind of annoy me. I

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Path Less Pedalled is one of the good guys and I think Russ works alone out of his (unheated) garage in Montana which may account for some of the editing trickery? Personally I find it great that there is so much great stuff to watch out there for absolutely no cost, most of these creators are

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Laing wrote:* I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that they did not watch. * The PLP post is titled Rivendell vs. Crust. Which is Better? There are no models in the title, and that is what brings it to the realm of clickbait. The OP also states right up front

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I get a big kick out of all the people with commentary on a video that they did not watch. As Tom pointed out, the Sam Hillborne is the "low trail" bike in this comparison - you need to watch the video to know what is in it. Note that I have one Crust (Scapegoat) and 12 Rivendells. One word on

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

FWIW, the particular Crust Russ is reviewing isn't low trail — he said it's 76 or 75 mm. I don't have a particular dog in the fight, and I enjoyed the video and don't consider it click-bait. As Russ said, he gets asked this type of question all the time, so why not do a video? And re:

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Which - to be clear - is my response to the premise of the thread which is the premise of the Path Less Pedaled thing. I'm not objecting to the thread being a thread. Joe "let me say this about that" Bernard On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:02:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote: > I don't

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I don't think a Riv vs. anything low trail really counts as a comparison, it's two very different approaches to what is considered the "right" way for a bicycle to handle. But my bias is extreme, I bought a Crust Lightning Bolt (disc) and hoo boy did I learn the expensive way that I do *not

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Well, I guess this thread has gone entirely OT. On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 6:03:33 PM UTC-8 Robert Tilley wrote: > Richard Thompson is of the best I’ve seen. And a great songwriter. Right > now I’m leaning towards Robert Fripp but it’s hard to argue against > Thompson. > > As far as

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Richard Thompson is of the best I’ve seen. And a great songwriter. Right now I’m leaning towards Robert Fripp but it’s hard to argue against Thompson. As far as bikes go, for me old Riv > Crust while Crust > new Riv. I can’t really get into a lot of the newer frames Riv has put out but I love

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I feel compelled to throw Tony McPhee into the running, but Jeff Beck is still my all time favorite. On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 5:52:07 PM UTC-5 divis...@gmail.com wrote: > Please; Allan Holdsworth. Who, curiously, was a lifelong road cyclist and > a bike repairman in the early

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Please; Allan Holdsworth. Who, curiously, was a lifelong road cyclist and a bike repairman in the early stages of his musical career. http://www.bikeblognyc.com/2017/04/second-passion-of-allan-holdsworth/ Peter "a former guitar repairman" Adler Berkeley, CA/USA On Wednesday, February 10, 2021

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Actually its Richard Thompson Mike SLO CA On Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 10:17:49 AM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote: > Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be really > neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, and it > would be cool to see

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Totally agree on the Crust / Riv collaboration frame. That would be really neat. I love the idea of single-batch collaboration runs like this, and it would be cool to see more of them. I tried to publicly connect Ocean Air Cycles and Rivendell to spark a MIT run of their Rambler frameset but

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Some interesting ideas here! Mark says: "Clapton, Page Beck, or Mick Taylor. (It's obviously Peter Green)lol." Well, I can't think Clapton, Beck and Page without thinking about Supergroups. So maybe I am thinking too small here... What about a collaboration between Grant, Matt, and JP?

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

OT on... English = from the country of England British = from the countries of England, Scotland, Wales & Northern Island Growing up in post war Britain was drab, dreary & dark. While the US was enjoying the greatest economic boom in history & the sun shone every day in Southern California the

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Firstly, apologies for the off-topic comment. Every last one of those guitarists Mark mentioned are English (or British, this is one of those things I absolutely cannot wrap my head around no matter how many times I read about it). No further comments, though - I just found it incredibly

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I have an Atlantis and I am very interested in Crust. I just think they're cool as all get out. If someone gave enough money to go buy a new Crust Bombora and build it up, I'd probably just go look for a Rambouillet in my size :) Everything that Russ says about the differences in the Riv make

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Actually it's Rory Gallagher. On Tuesday, February 9, 2021 at 10:33:43 PM UTC-6 Mark Schneider wrote: > I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate > title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, > but quite different. My custom

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I always enjoy Russ' videos and this one was also worth the watch. I've never ridden a Crust Bombora and can't compare it to my Rivs, so it's nice to get a comparison by someone who owns both. I've always liked the way my Rivs ride, and I've been through a few of them. On Tuesday, February

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

Several frame makers over the years have copied (or tried to) the Rivendell design DNA. V-O, New Albion, Handsome and Rawland come to mind before the more recent Crust. I rode someone's Norvindian and was surprise how UNLIKE my Riv it actually rode. I built a New Albion for a cousin and liked

[RBW] Re: Rivendell vs Crust! Which is Better?

I deliberately didn't bother to watch it because it's a stupid click bate title and a ridiculous premise. Like Ben stated they're both great bikes, but quite different. My custom Terafrerrma is nothing like my Masi, or my Homer or Atlantis. If I'm going on a long fastish ride but want my camera