Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Please give me a call on my cell phone (707) 762-4107. There are many misconceptions about my business. Regards, Bruce Gordon Bruce Gordon Cycle www.bgcycles.com brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com (707) 762-5601 On May 23, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Eric Norris wrote: >

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Hi All, I'm Evan's partner, Norma. I've skimmed through this and see lots of questions regarding the business side of things, especially what exactly happens if/when we reach our goal so decided to jump in, since that's my area of expertise. Whether or not we reach the goal, the money is

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Hi Evan, In the past, you have been very helpful with answers to my questions here on the RBW Owners Bunch, and I thank you again. However, and I say this respectfully, if your pitch doesn't go over well, you change and refine your sales pitch. You do not lose your temper or insult

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

This "scrap the bikes" myth is becoming legend. Come on, folks, I don't think BG honestly intends to destroy his bikes, he was just frustrated and howling at the moon when talking to a fellow industry guy. Is what I think. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

No, $25,000 per year is not much. But I guess at some point adults do need to make decisions on how best to use their talents, interests, and education in pursuing a career. Some job choices just do not generate much income but presumably do afford the person other positive reasons for

Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Bruce has been uniformly helpful, even friendly, to me during at least half a dozen calls over the years. Judge not, and all that... Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Chris Birkenmaier > wrote: Been offline for a little lately

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

On Wednesday, May 24, 2017 at 8:50:20 AM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > > Perhaps he should have started an IRA years ago like many folks must do? > There was an article about BG a few years back in Adventure Cycling(I think? A pdf was posted somewhere -- not here -- in the middle of a

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Been offline for a little lately with a graduation to attend, and other life events. I'm glad to see some reasoned remarks posted on this plan to either fund BG's retirement or he will scap all his bikes. That struck me as almost a gag post but I see that it is not. Perhaps he should have

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

FWIW, BG sounds like any number of people I've worked with over the years - to be honest, as I've grown older myself, I feel that I've become less patient with these sorts of folks. But at a basic humanitarian level, I can see how BG deserves could use some help. Hi Steve Chan, I cannot comment

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Gordon's attitude is a big turnoff for me. If he wants to scrap his bikes and cut off his nose to spite his face, I say let him do it. And ask him to post some photos for us to see it happen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 2:10:23 PM UTC-7, Eric Norris wrote: > > IMHO, Steelman priced himself out of the market. Nice frames that suddenly > rocketed into the stratosphere in price while remaining pretty much the > same. > I believe steelman's prices were similar to Sachs and Vanilla.

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

IMHO, Steelman priced himself out of the market. Nice frames that suddenly rocketed into the stratosphere in price while remaining pretty much the same. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On May 23, 2017, at 2:06 PM, Brewster Fong wrote: >

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The boutique custom steel framebuilding business isn't easy. I understand that one of the best, Mark DiNucci gets about $5500 for his framesets but he doesn't have a big wait list. The two steel framebuilders who supposedly have 5+ year wait list and can command top dollar for their framesets,

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Any way he'd just help design some frames, give 'em the Pope's blessing for an annual plus per-unit licensing agreement, then allow someone else to foot the startup costs and job 'em out to Toyo or Maxway? Keep the name alive, keep the frames coming, keep a regular income, and keep his skin

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

I don't think anybody is making a killing building frames. If you were smart and lucky and didn't get hosed by business partners, you became Ritchey Logic. BG never reached that level of mass market penetration, and now just wants to unload his shop and sell some tires. I hope it works out for

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

I don't believe that is the case. Knowing how much his tires cost to make there's no way he's going to retire on that alone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

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Does anyone make a /good/ living framebuilding, or is it just that some framebuilders can do a good job of pretending that they're living lives of opulent excess while actually bailing like mad to keep ahead of the constant inflow of one expense after another? Shoot, Riv itself seems like a

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

I agree. $250,000 is actually a large amount of money for this business as it is. If it was "chump change" he would have gotten an offer by now. But he wants to hold on to the most profitable and easy to take over portion which is the tires. -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Vincent van Gogh committed suicide after years of mental illness and poverty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_van_Gogh ). Bruce has made (I would hope) a good living producing bikes for other people. He owns some now that he can sell, but

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at 11:50:51 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote: > > Evan, > > If you " honestly don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he > deserves" then this endeavor is really pointless. You seem to think a > quarter million dollars is

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Evan, If you " honestly don't care what happens as long as Bruce gets what he deserves" then this endeavor is really pointless. You seem to think a quarter million dollars is chump change. Having been on the board of several established not-for-profits (not bike related) I can tell you

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

It would be nicer if they were donated, yes, but I can imagine why BG would be somewhat annoyed after coming to the realization that spending most of his life as a (really good) framebuilder and $2.50 is worth a cup of drip coffee at Starbucks. -david parsons On Tuesday, May 23, 2017 at

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Trust me, we've been over all the options. If you think you have a better rapport with him than I do be my guest. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

If he can’t sell the bikes, he should consider donating them. There are probably a few tall people out there in need of transportation who could use a serviceable bicycle. Much better than having them scrapped. --Eric Norris campyonly...@me.com @CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram) > On May 23,

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

We've got a group of people together to discuss the best framework to use. If you have experience setting up a nonprofit, coop or b corp I encourage you to send me your email and I'll add you to the group. If you think Bruce is messing around maybe you're right, or maybe you don't actually know

Re: [RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Thanks to Julian for asking some important questions. As good a framebuilder as he is, I wonder how many people will travel to Petaluma to see his workshop who aren’t already going to the US Bicycle Hall of Fame museum in Davis? Call Richard Sachs and ask him how many people show up at his

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

My response to this on the Boblist (for those who don't follow both): Evan, Do you have an actual business plan beyond hoping others give you enough $ to buy his bikes? Aside from his cool bike collection and the relatively minimal value of his tools, the value of the business IS Bruce

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Perhaps as a Kickstarter venture rather than a donation? With abandon, Patrick On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:40:21 PM UTC-6, Evan Baird wrote: > > Cross Post from BOB > > Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still > hasn't found a buyer for his shop. > -- You

[RBW] Re: Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

Threats as motivation=not so good. On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 11:40:21 PM UTC-4, Evan Baird wrote: > > Cross Post from BOB > > Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still > hasn't found a buyer for his shop. My partner Norma and I decided that we > want to try to