You have a point. REI sold those brands for years.
Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
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Party on, Garth.
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The blame game is like the cold war implied guaranteed mutual
destruction. But that is not the point of the game, the point of the game
is the game, who plays and how matters not. Just play the part.
The blamer and the blamed are the same one two-faced and double minded.
One minute
REI is a powerhouse in the outdoor industry. That is crazy news considering
some of those brands are market leaders. I’d guess this is going to turn into a
game of chicken— who will blink first. I wouldn’t bet against REI.
Thanks for the link.
Chris
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Hopefully I can put this here and everybody will understand I do so for
interest's sake only. REI joins the boycot:
https://www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-news/rei-halts-orders-popular-outdoor-brands-including-camelbak-bell-giro-response-nra-boycott/
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Trying not to get political but I was disappointed to see Blackburn on this
list as well. The founders of Blackburn and Giro (Jim Blackburn and Jim
Gentes) both graduated from our design program and started companies to
help cyclists stay safe, be more comfortable and enjoy cycling more than
I don’t want to weigh into politics on this forum but I thought this was a good
story on this issue.
https://bikeportland.org/2018/02/23/local-bike-shops-come-to-terms-with-their-industrys-ties-to-the-nra-269395
Also a another good reason to support Rivendell, nitto, etc this weekend and
Since I've said the same thing to a number of group members who contacted
me privately:
February/March has been a tough month historically. It's when comments
seem to suddenly turn caustic and umbrage taken in excess of what is
appropriate. It hasn't played out for a few years now, but event
Jim,
Didn’t you just apply your moderator’s wisdom a weeks ago?
Thank you again for stepping in to keep the conversation civil.
Best regards,
Richard
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I don't expect all of us to agree on anything.
I do expect folks to be civil, though.
I've deleted the posts in this thread which seemed to generate the post
egregious responses, and as you might guess, the responses as well.
I've settled some things with folks offline, so let's move forward
Completely agree with Ryan.
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Here's a bit more on the Vista company:
https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/02/23/the-gun-industry-might-be-down-but-vista-outdoor-l.aspx
Thank you to the original poster for sharing this. It's important to remember
we are constantly voting with our dollars. This, and the "Hail Mary" plea from
I love the nonpolitical nature of this forum and don’t want to see that
changed. The slap on older people was just kind of inane. Perhaps it was
offered by someone who doesn’t think he or she is ever going to age. (And some
people don’t eat and sleep at exact times)
Guess you can put me in
While I agree that we can do without insulting anybody, calling attention
to an ongoing boycott of a helmet brand (also camelbak brand if you are so
inclined...and osprey is better anyway), I would think is about as on topic
as anti-Chinese built stuff which has been known to be a forum subject
I see nothing wrong with the original post itself. Whatever you choose to spend
your money on (or choose to not spend your money on), it is always better to be
more informed than less informed. Knowledge is a good thing, right? There is
nothing in the post that takes one side or another. The
Look man, I support the boycott and anyone who follows me on Twitter knows my
feelings about guns in general and the NRA specifically, but this is a
political topic dishonesty presented as a helmet thread. Which has now led to
people agreeing that it's ok to do and insulting those of us who
I am a retired Firefighter Paramedic from a violent city.
(Really? Oh Gawd.rolling eyes). Man- you guys take your 'snooty
little social rules' for this forum a little too serious. Totally
relevant. (Thanks for the post Michael). Some of your replies pissed me
off. My daughters
If we want a discussion about the safety of wearing a bicycle helmet this
may be a starting point; https://bicyclesafe.com/helmets.html
The main point the author makes is that bike handling skills and behavior
in traffic are much more important for rider safety than wearing a helmet.
Having
On 02/23/2018 10:21 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
"Unsafe helmets" means something like a helmet recall. As much as I despise the
NRA (see: white hot rage), your title has nothing to do with the topic you posted. It's
political clickbait, and I don't appreciate that I was suckered into clicking on
On 02/23/2018 11:37 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:
Politics and religion. The two topics which will enrage and set off
firestorms in a email forum such as this or on a street corner or in
the work office. I am not upset that he put it on the forum although
it may go outside of "forum policy". I
Couldn't agree more. Just ordered a new bell helmet and some federal ammo to go
in my savage rifle. Might even grab a new camelback too.
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Michael, thanks for passing along the information. I for one did not know about
the connection between Giro and the larger brand portfolio. It's nice to be
well informed about where your dollars go and therefore better chose how to
spend them.
Ben
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I'm cool with you taking your BS about "old folks" and stuffing it, Legrand.
Happy now?
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I’m cool with boycotting and I think it can add up to change. Thanks for the
link.
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Politics and religion. The two topics which will enrage and set off
firestorms in a email forum such as this or on a street corner or in the
work office. I am not upset that he put it on the forum although it may go
outside of "forum policy". I like those who break the rules sometimes. It
i don’t like giro and bell helmets because they don’t fit me right. I have
been foregoing a helmet more and more. My primary use for a helmet is when my
wife come riding with me.
However I do buy amp from Federal. Mostly Shotgun shells for when we go to the
range. I probably also buy .22
Well if nothing else, it is a timely topic. The following headlines just
started coming across my news feed, from today's news cycle. NBC, BBC, New
York Magazine, Wall Street Journal, CBS. All talking about how such
boycots are having an effect. It's a veritable mainstream media
"Unsafe helmets" means something like a helmet recall. As much as I despise the
NRA (see: white hot rage), your title has nothing to do with the topic you
posted. It's political clickbait, and I don't appreciate that I was suckered
into clicking on it.
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Thanks for the link Michael! I had no idea there was a link. I’m of the opinion
that more information is always better than less information.
Cheers,
Chris
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I second Patrick's motion for a presumption of goodness.
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 4:57:02 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
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> Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this
> headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness
> please. cf:
Michael is a long time list member and is not disingenuious, nor was this
headline disingenuous. Let’s give each other a presumption of goodness please.
cf: Crankypants.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/KlcD_BC8sLw
With abandon,
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Just give it an honest title, why be disingenuous?
On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 1:48:48 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
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> First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any
> more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be
> considered outside
And one this really is for sure: Michael's post is classic clickbait.
On 02/23/2018 05:08 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets”
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because
they are
Michael, I understand what you are saying, but your title of “Unsafe helmets”
does give your position. You see helmets by those brands as “unsafe” because
they are subsidiarities of gun companies. Only someone with a gun-control
position would call that “unsafe.” The opposite arguement can also
First, I did not introduce an irrelevant political topic, at least not any
more than a discussion of say AAA's opposition to bike lanes might be
considered outside the bounds of this group. Second, I did not explicitly
ask anyone to accept my political position, or for that matter did I even
Nothing wrong with the helments, so yeah, misleading title. Clickbait,
even. As for the rest of it, this is not a political forum.
On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:57:25 PM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
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> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
>
Good to know. Pursue elsewhere?
On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:57:25 PM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote:
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> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
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