[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Well, A1 happened to have a Mark's in stock.  Now they don't. :D

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Tim Gavin]

Jon-

Congrats on the Sams!

You can get the Nitto M18 through QBP for $135.  It would fit great on a
Sam, just be mindful that the tang to the brake bolt isn't that strong (as
discussed in another thread).  A safety strap to the handlebar is
recommended.

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:10 AM, Jon Craig  wrote:

> Only a very few Nitto products are carried by QBP.  One of the front racks
> is for canti bikes only, and the other, not sure if it would fit.
>
> Only Rivendell is allowed to sell the Mark's, since the Mark it's named
> for... is a Rivendell employee. :D
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 9:08:22 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>>
>> I'm fairly certain QBP carries Nitto products if you have credit at your
>> LBS.
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Only a very few Nitto products are carried by QBP.  One of the front racks 
is for canti bikes only, and the other, not sure if it would fit.

Only Rivendell is allowed to sell the Mark's, since the Mark it's named 
for... is a Rivendell employee. :D

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 9:08:22 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> I'm fairly certain QBP carries Nitto products if you have credit at your 
> LBS. 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[David Banzer]

I'm fairly certain QBP carries Nitto products if you have credit at your 
LBS. 
I'll mention again that Soma's aluminum front rack at around $30 or so 
would definitely do the trick.
Check with your LBS about what other distributors they have. I know mine 
has accounts with several, some take longer than others but they can get 
pretty much anything I need.
David
Chicago

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 8:17:40 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Eh, it was either this or wait a long time, as like I said, I have a 
> sizable credit at one of my LBS's - so I can get whatever I want for "free" 
> but it has to be something QBP has, which basically means the only thing 
> that really suits is the VO constructeur.
>
> I guess I'll see how it all fits when the rack arrives.  If there's any 
> violence/etc required I'll give up and wait I suppose.  I don't have the 
> skills or the tools to modify steel!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:38:56 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>
>> i've not installed on my sam, but have installed on a side-pull-braked 
>> bike, for me (and it was a similiar sized bike to my sam) i had to cut some 
>> of the bottom tangs off as i wanted to use one of the holes farther up and 
>> the tangs interfered at the drop-outs.  
>>
>> you also have to bend that fork tang quite a bit to clear the front 
>> brakes.  the daruma option will eat up space under the fork crown, so not a 
>> perfect solution.
>>
>> i'd still investigate drew's suggestion as that's a much cleaner install 
>> than the tang behind the brake.
>>
>> would not have been my first choice given your stated requirements, but 
>> good luck!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> O_o
>>>
>>> Sounds advanced.
>>>
>>> I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:

 You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
 laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

That's good - but again - I have a huge credit at a LBS so anything from 
QBP (inc. VO stuff) is "free" to me. 

That's the problem.  But the V-O rack just would not work.  Ah well.

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 8:55:45 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
>
> And as far as cost, i've seen Mark's racks trade hands here for $80-$100 
> so around the price of a VO rack.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Minh]

i had to go downstairs and double-check my VO rack install, i bent mine to 
curve up and over the caliper and mounted it to the frontside of the fork 
(between the brake), but my bike was an old one so getting it under the 
fork crown would not have been possible.  

this is the hazard of racks, none of them are universal plug and play, i 
would hazard to guess that the VO racks fit easier on the VO frames in the 
same way that the Nitto racks fit easier on Rivendells.  

And as far as cost, i've seen Mark's racks trade hands here for $80-$100 so 
around the price of a VO rack.

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 8:39:04 AM UTC-4, Skenry wrote:
>
> I just ordered one of the VO constructeur racks, I haven't installed it 
> yet, just a dry fit.Mine is taking the place of a Mark's rack.
> Anyway, that tang on the VO rack is designed to fit a mount under the 
> steering tube or to a Daruma (which was included in mine)I can't recall 
> if the Sam has a under-steerer fender mount, I don't think so though.   So 
> you will need this daruma, like I said, mine was included with my rack
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-fork-crown-eye-bolt-for-fenders-and-racks-fork-crown-daruma.html
>   
>
> Here are the rack mount instructions : 
> http://support.velo-orange.com/pdf/FrontRack.pdf
>
> Give it a go, that VO rack should mount up to a Sam fairly easily.
> Scott
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Scott Henry]

I just ordered one of the VO constructeur racks, I haven't installed it
yet, just a dry fit.Mine is taking the place of a Mark's rack.
Anyway, that tang on the VO rack is designed to fit a mount under the
steering tube or to a Daruma (which was included in mine)I can't recall
if the Sam has a under-steerer fender mount, I don't think so though.   So
you will need this daruma, like I said, mine was included with my rack
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/vo-fork-crown-eye-bolt-for-fenders-and-racks-fork-crown-daruma.html


Here are the rack mount instructions :
http://support.velo-orange.com/pdf/FrontRack.pdf

Give it a go, that VO rack should mount up to a Sam fairly easily.
Scott

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Jon Craig  wrote:

> Well that was a disaster. :D
>
> Yeah, the VO constructeur front rack won't work on a Sam, at least not for
> someone with my level of skills (admittedly next to nil!)
>
> The shape of the tang just doesn't work.  It's got that down-bend in it,
> that when placed through the brake caliper, causes the whole thing to push
> down and rub on the tire.  Not to mention you can't really insert it
> through far enough because of the aforementioned down-bend.
>
> Luckily I decided to dry-fit it before removing the hang tag and little
> bundle of hardware, so returning it was easy enough.
>
> I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's rack
> doesn't seem expensive.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Eh, it wasn't the best decision we've ever made.  But, Sams are available 
in the quantities they're available in, and basically only once a year.

Bicycling together is an important fun/bonding activity for my wife and 
myself, and our prior bikes were not proving to be the fun, carefree 
experience we'd wanted.  So we did this.  It is painful, especially since 
the prior bikes sit unsold, and they're painfully valuable too.

But, you only live once, and not for that long - and this was important to 
us, so it's done. )

On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:35:32 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> If it's not necessary immediately, keep an eye on the list. Good stuff 
> with generous prices pops up all the time. 
> And if you can drop 5k on bikes at one time, you're better off than most 
> people I know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[drew]

If it's not necessary immediately, keep an eye on the list. Good stuff with 
generous prices pops up all the time. 
And if you can drop 5k on bikes at one time, you're better off than most people 
I know. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

HAHA, that should do the trick.

Though apparently I'm in a different income bracket than the rest of the 
people here, as after spending $5,200, the $140 for a rack seems 
expensive... as I just spent $5,200! :D


On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:09:16 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/23/2016 06:57 AM, Jon Craig wrote: 
> > 
> > I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's 
> > rack doesn't seem expensive. 
>
> Perhaps if you check on prices for a custom rack... 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/23/2016 06:57 AM, Jon Craig wrote:


I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's 
rack doesn't seem expensive.


Perhaps if you check on prices for a custom rack...

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Well that was a disaster. :D

Yeah, the VO constructeur front rack won't work on a Sam, at least not for 
someone with my level of skills (admittedly next to nil!)

The shape of the tang just doesn't work.  It's got that down-bend in it, 
that when placed through the brake caliper, causes the whole thing to push 
down and rub on the tire.  Not to mention you can't really insert it 
through far enough because of the aforementioned down-bend.

Luckily I decided to dry-fit it before removing the hang tag and little 
bundle of hardware, so returning it was easy enough.

I'll just use the rear rack for now, and perhaps wait until a Mark's rack 
doesn't seem expensive.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[islaysteve]

Jon, I have a VO Constructeur rear rack on my Bleriot.  Depending on fit, you 
may or may not have to cut the bottom struts, as someone else here has 
mentioned.  Since your Sam is 700c, the bottom hole may work, then no cutting.  
The steel is hard, but you should only need a hacksaw with a good blade to cut 
straight across.  A file can be used to clean up the corners of the cut.  Of 
course, something to hold the piece tight, like a vice, would help.  Do you 
know anyone with a workbench or basic shop?  Once installed, these racks seem 
very solid; I've been pleased with mine.  Good luck, Steve

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Eh, it was either this or wait a long time, as like I said, I have a 
sizable credit at one of my LBS's - so I can get whatever I want for "free" 
but it has to be something QBP has, which basically means the only thing 
that really suits is the VO constructeur.

I guess I'll see how it all fits when the rack arrives.  If there's any 
violence/etc required I'll give up and wait I suppose.  I don't have the 
skills or the tools to modify steel!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 2:38:56 PM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> i've not installed on my sam, but have installed on a side-pull-braked 
> bike, for me (and it was a similiar sized bike to my sam) i had to cut some 
> of the bottom tangs off as i wanted to use one of the holes farther up and 
> the tangs interfered at the drop-outs.  
>
> you also have to bend that fork tang quite a bit to clear the front 
> brakes.  the daruma option will eat up space under the fork crown, so not a 
> perfect solution.
>
> i'd still investigate drew's suggestion as that's a much cleaner install 
> than the tang behind the brake.
>
> would not have been my first choice given your stated requirements, but 
> good luck!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> O_o
>>
>> Sounds advanced.
>>
>> I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
>>> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[David Person]

A Linus Lunch Rack should work well.

http://www.linusbike.com/products/linus-lunch-rack-1

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 5:46:12 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Minh]

i've not installed on my sam, but have installed on a side-pull-braked 
bike, for me (and it was a similiar sized bike to my sam) i had to cut some 
of the bottom tangs off as i wanted to use one of the holes farther up and 
the tangs interfered at the drop-outs.  

you also have to bend that fork tang quite a bit to clear the front brakes. 
 the daruma option will eat up space under the fork crown, so not a perfect 
solution.

i'd still investigate drew's suggestion as that's a much cleaner install 
than the tang behind the brake.

would not have been my first choice given your stated requirements, but 
good luck!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:40:43 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> O_o
>
> Sounds advanced.
>
> I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
>> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

O_o

Sounds advanced.

I'll see how it looks/works/feels "stock" first.  

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:37:00 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go 
> laterally to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[drew]

You could also use the surly hardware with the vo constructeur to go laterally 
to the midfork eyelets and cut off the tang altogether. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Yeah, I'm not going to put much on it. 5# max I'd say?  If that.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:08:35 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Jon, although it has the reinforced struts to the bottom of the fork leg, 
> i would still watch the amount of stuff you put on it, since it's only 
> connected to the fork crown with a tange, so it's not laterally reinforced. 
> The rack was designed with small rando bags in mind.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
>> try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
>> it's there.
>>
>> BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
>> bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
>> work on it.  Guess I'll find out!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
>>> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
>>> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>>>
>>> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
>>> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
>>> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Ron Mc]

another good Tubus vendor - http://thetouringstore.com/  
a really good idea is *google photos* and see where they lead you... 



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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[islaysteve]

John, Having mounted a VO Constructeur rear rack on a Bleriot, I will say 
that you may end up wanting to cut the ends of either the struts or the top 
tange, depending on fit and aesthetics.  And I can attest that the steel is 
hard.  But it's doable with a hacksaw and file; a Dremel tool comes in very 
handy for these jobs as well.  Good luck, Steve


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
> try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
> it's there.
>
> BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
> bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
> work on it.  Guess I'll find out!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
>> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
>> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>>
>> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
>> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
>> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Ron Mc]

Very nice bikes - congrats.  Take your time, gather your information, and 
think a bit before you spend.  I took 6 months and evaluated all the 
choices before I put a front rack on my CX bike.  Cheap often means cheaply 
made.  I agree with the Tubus votes, and believe racktime is also made by 
Tubus.  Here is a good place to begin  
https://www.bikebagshop.com/  
if you wait, though, improve your budget, you could call Bruce Gordon and 
have one of these made

   


 


http://www.bgcycles.com/new-page-14/  


On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:08:35 AM UTC-5, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> Jon, although it has the reinforced struts to the bottom of the fork leg, 
> i would still watch the amount of stuff you put on it, since it's only 
> connected to the fork crown with a tange, so it's not laterally reinforced. 
> The rack was designed with small rando bags in mind.
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
>> try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
>> it's there.
>>
>> BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
>> bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
>> work on it.  Guess I'll find out!
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>>
>>> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
>>> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
>>> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>>>
>>> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
>>> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
>>> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Philip Kim]

Jon, although it has the reinforced struts to the bottom of the fork leg, i 
would still watch the amount of stuff you put on it, since it's only 
connected to the fork crown with a tange, so it's not laterally reinforced. 
The rack was designed with small rando bags in mind.

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:42:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
> try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
> it's there.
>
> BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
> bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
> work on it.  Guess I'll find out!
>
> On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
>> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
>> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>>
>> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
>> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
>> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

According to V-O's site they come pre-drilled now.  Yeah, I don't want to 
try to drill steel. :D   It comes with the daruma as well, so if I need it, 
it's there.

BTW - Sam's brake bolt comes in through the back of the crown rather than 
bolting through the front - it's an odd bolt.  I wonder if the daruma will 
work on it.  Guess I'll find out!

On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 7:32:27 AM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n 
> play requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if 
> you want it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).
>
> That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front 
> racks. Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into 
> heavy duty touring/pannier capability. 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[drew]

The vo constructeur will work fine, but I'm not sure it fits your plug n play 
requirements. You may need to cut the bottom mounts, bend the tang (if you want 
it thru the brake bolt), or use a daruma (if you don't).

That being said it's a cool rack that fulfills a unique gap in front racks. 
Lightish, steel, much sturdier than a mini but not delving into heavy duty 
touring/pannier capability. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Welp, I'll find out later this week if it works. :D

I have a large credit at one of my LBS's so I ordered up a VO constructeur 
front rack to try out.  Hopefully it'll fit easily enough.

On Monday, June 20, 2016 at 8:43:44 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Has anyone installed a V-O constructeur front rack onto a Sam?
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Scott McLain]

I have landed in the same space as Will.  I am running a black tubus rear 
rack on my AHH.  My favorite front rack option is the nitto front rack. 
 There is not as much of a premium going to the nitto in the front and you 
can pick them up used on the RBW forum.  I like the small nitto rack 
coupled with the Sackville small Trunksack.  

The other consideration that is a little less rivy is the front 
randoneering bag set up that works best with a front rack.  I went back to 
the trunksack when I added up the cost of going with the front randoneering 
bag.

http://builtbyswift.com/shop/custom-ozette-randonneur-bag/


Scott


On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 6:46:12 AM UTC-6, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Has anyone installed a V-O constructeur front rack onto a Sam?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Will]

I've done front racks, Wald baskets, and such... the solution I evolved to 
was a Tubus rear with Ortlieb bags. Why? 

1) Rivs handle better with rear loads. It a design thing. 
2) small front racks with large basket overhangs are fussy. 
3) front racks have very modest capacity (unless they are the low-rider 
pannier variety)
3) front racks with baskets often present challenges at public bike racks. 
They don't play well with crowded situations. 

My rear Ortlieb roll-top carries everything. It attaches/detaches in about 
5 seconds. It's stable. The large capacity and the fact that it's on/off 
quickly makes it super-convenient.  

My recco would be to skip the front rack expense and complexity, focus on 
what makes the rear work. Solve the rear opportunity first. 

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 11:49:57 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> The reason I don't have any specifics is that I am literally trying to 
> compile a list of 
>
> *all the front racks that fit without bodging, and that are cheaper than 
> Nitto.*$5,200 is a lot of money; our budget is blown for a while, so this 
> won't be a soon-purchase.  I just want to know what works.  All of them.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

The reason I don't have any specifics is that I am literally trying to 
compile a list of 

*all the front racks that fit without bodging, and that are cheaper than 
Nitto.*$5,200 is a lot of money; our budget is blown for a while, so this 
won't be a soon-purchase.  I just want to know what works.  All of them.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Philip Kim]

Jon, congrats! 

The reason Nitto is well regarded is because the quality is really high, 
which matters the more times you ride your bike with more things. I believe 
all Nitto racks are still brazed by the same woman in Japan for the past 
decade or maybe even two. I know you bought two Riv's which is a lot of 
money so I can understand your apprehension at a more expensive rack.

Any good rack that won't fail in a couple of years will be $70-200 
depending on how much you want to carry. So to have a specific size, price 
range, and intended use is helpful for us to give suggestions so we're not 
all aiming in the dark and can better help you.

A reason Howard suggest posting a WTB is because a lot of us are bike 
tinkerers and have parts/accessories that are sitting around that we would 
gladly see being used. So you can usually get racks and parts cheaper this 
way, and most of the stuff is in good to great condition. So whenever or if 
ever the time comes for you to buy a front rack, then it will be helpful to 
post to this list. If you don't have a set idea, then being specific in 
your intended use, etc. always helps. A lot of knowledgeable people on 
here, and will go the extra mile to make measurements, take pictures, etc.

All things considered - Soma has a couple of front racks that are cheaper 
that might work, mainly their Alloy front rack is around $35, but their 
shipping can be outrageous. Another option would be to get a Wald front 
basket set up ($25ish). This will connect to your handlebars and have legs 
that connect to your fork dropouts. I highly recommend against the wald 
basket, unless you attach it to a front rack. I had the Basket set up, and 
the screws vibrated loose within a week. A Tara Tubus Duo Lowrider rack is 
a little over $50, which might be your best option though you might need to 
use P-Clamps. Another option would be to try to find a cheap rear rack that 
you can jerry rig to use as a front rack. Not a lot of options if you're 
trying to stay below $100.

Surly front racks (Surly Nice Rack, 24 pack rack, etc.)  as well as Minoura 
Gamoh front racks. Velo Orange also has a Constructeur front rack that I've 
also used with great success (these are all in the $100 and over range).

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 8:46:12 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Brian Campbell]

+1 This is your best low cost option.

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 11:15:31 AM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Soma makes an aluminum front rack that would fit the bill - it's a good 
> platform for a Wald basket.
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 7:46:12 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
>> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
>> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
>> orange, noodle. :D )
>>
>> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
>> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>>
>> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
>> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
>> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>>
>> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
>> office as I type this.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Philip Kim]

The reason Nitto is well regarded is because the quality is really 
unmatched IMO anywhere on the market, which matters the more times you ride 
your bike with more things. I believe all Nitto racks are still brazed by 
the same woman in Japan for the past decade or maybe even two. Also made 
out of steel, so are stronger than some of the cheaper ones made of 
aluminum. I used to avoid Nitto racks because of the expense, but after two 
racks I bought from REI failed on me with regular commuting loads, I 
decided to pony up and get Nitto Marks rack. This rack is smaller and 
lighter and carries the same amount of loads, and I haven't even had a 
strut wiggle since I got it a couple of years ago.

It might be more helpful if you gave a price range, and what type of things 
you are trying to carry. Size and weight helps.

All things considered - Soma has a couple of front racks that are cheaper 
that might work, mainly their Alloy front rack their Porteur and maybe 
their Elysee Champ front rack. I would also look into the Surly front racks 
(Surly Nice Rack, 24 pack rack, etc.)  as well as Minoura Gamoh front 
racks. Velo Orange also has a Constructeur front rack that I've also used 
with great success.

If you want the option of front panniers, you'll have to spend more.

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:25:09 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Nittos are just way, way, way too expensive.
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>>
>> I have a Cheviot, which has the same brake setup as your Sam, and use 
>> Mark's Nitto Rack with a Wald basket.  Can't go wrong as the rack was 
>> specifically developed for Rivendell's with caliper brakes.
>>
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[David Banzer]

Soma makes an aluminum front rack that would fit the bill - it's a good 
platform for a Wald basket.
David
Chicago

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 7:46:12 AM UTC-5, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> So, last Saturday I finally bought a Sam (55, blue, noodle)!  (BTW A1 
> Cyclery in Indianapolis rocks!)  (And truth be told, I'm now a 2-Sam 
> household as on Wednesday we went back and my wife got one too - 51, 
> orange, noodle. :D )
>
> Anyway - I had an old Trek rear rack so I black-nailpolished the Trek 
> logos and put it on - it fits great!   
>
> A front rack I do not have, and I'm wondering what ones fit well on Sam 
> without a lot of bodging.  NIttos, yeah, they're gorgeous, but they're also 
> bordering on blasphemously expensive so I'm looking for lower cost options.
>
> Since someone will demand it, I've attached a pic of my Sam sitting in my 
> office as I type this.
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Minh]

Jon,

If you want us to help you, you need to help us.  People here are going to 
recommend the Nitto options because many of us have tried the other options 
and ended up with Nitto.  RBW design their bikes with those racks in mind, 
so generally speaking they are the closest to plug and play--not to say 
others won't work but those are the racks they sell/use so it makes sense 
they work the best.  

If they are outside your price range, than you need to define a price range 
for us.  you also need to think about whether you need to carry panniers as 
a full size rack is different from a mini front rack (both in price and 
mounting options).  

i'm not going to try and convince you to the value of nitto (you should 
define value for yourself), but if you want useful input you need to define 
a few more parameters.  

as John Stowe points out, there are front racks that account for caliper 
brakes and mounting through the center hole

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:00:38 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Any front rack that fits easily without a lot of bodging would be fine.
>
> I usually would want silver, but since my rear rack is a spare Trek that I 
> had around (which is black), a black front rack would balance it out.
>
> As far as size, anything!  I'm really just trying to gather a list of what 
> fits, for later purchase.
>
> A lot of stuff for instance requires using the fork crown hole. Can't, as 
> it's used on the Sam (by the brake).
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:57:36 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
>> rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?
>>
>> all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
>> alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
>> rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, 
>>> I just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
>>> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:

 Jon
 Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
 rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
 know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
 no time. 
 Safe riding

 Howard
 Livonia Mi

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Nittos are just way, way, way too expensive.

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:12:19 AM UTC-4, Ryan Thompson wrote:
>
> I have a Cheviot, which has the same brake setup as your Sam, and use 
> Mark's Nitto Rack with a Wald basket.  Can't go wrong as the rack was 
> specifically developed for Rivendell's with caliper brakes.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm
>
> Ryan
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[John Stowe]

Having a caliper brake doesn't preclude mounting a rack at the fork crown. 
In fact, it's handy because it means you already have a bolt! I have my 
Pass & Stow rack and a fender mounted on my Sam using the front brake 
bolt: https://flic.kr/p/dURLir

-John

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:00:38 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> Any front rack that fits easily without a lot of bodging would be fine.
>
> I usually would want silver, but since my rear rack is a spare Trek that I 
> had around (which is black), a black front rack would balance it out.
>
> As far as size, anything!  I'm really just trying to gather a list of what 
> fits, for later purchase.
>
> A lot of stuff for instance requires using the fork crown hole. Can't, as 
> it's used on the Sam (by the brake).
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:57:36 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
>> rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?
>>
>> all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
>> alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
>> rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, 
>>> I just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
>>> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:

 Jon
 Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
 rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
 know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
 no time. 
 Safe riding

 Howard
 Livonia Mi

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Ryan Thompson]

I have a Cheviot, which has the same brake setup as your Sam, and use 
Mark's Nitto Rack with a Wald basket.  Can't go wrong as the rack was 
specifically developed for Rivendell's with caliper brakes.

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/r1.htm

Ryan

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 10:00:38 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:

> Any front rack that fits easily without a lot of bodging would be fine.
>
> I usually would want silver, but since my rear rack is a spare Trek that I 
> had around (which is black), a black front rack would balance it out.
>
> As far as size, anything!  I'm really just trying to gather a list of what 
> fits, for later purchase.
>
> A lot of stuff for instance requires using the fork crown hole. Can't, as 
> it's used on the Sam (by the brake).
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:57:36 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
>> rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?
>>
>> all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
>> alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
>> rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!
>>
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, 
>>> I just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
>>> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:

 Jon
 Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
 rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
 know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
 no time. 
 Safe riding

 Howard
 Livonia Mi

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Minh]

Jon,

could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?

all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!


On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>
> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, I 
> just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>>
>> Jon
>> Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
>> rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
>> know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
>> no time. 
>> Safe riding
>>
>> Howard
>> Livonia Mi
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

Any front rack that fits easily without a lot of bodging would be fine.

I usually would want silver, but since my rear rack is a spare Trek that I 
had around (which is black), a black front rack would balance it out.

As far as size, anything!  I'm really just trying to gather a list of what 
fits, for later purchase.

A lot of stuff for instance requires using the fork crown hole. Can't, as 
it's used on the Sam (by the brake).

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:57:36 AM UTC-4, Minh wrote:
>
> Jon,
>
> could you be a little more specific on what you're looking for?  a small 
> rack, a full-size rack? what do you want to carry? a trunk sack? panniers?
>
> all of my experience is with the nitto options, so can't comment on 
> alternatives--i'm also a bit of a color matcher, so putting a silver nitto 
> rack with a black blackburn wouldn't work for me!
>
>
> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:44:22 AM UTC-4, Jon Craig wrote:
>>
>> "WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, 
>> I just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
>> Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)
>>
>> On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>>>
>>> Jon
>>> Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
>>> rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
>>> know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
>>> no time. 
>>> Safe riding
>>>
>>> Howard
>>> Livonia Mi
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam-haver with rack questions!

[Jon Craig]

"WTB" usually means "Want To Buy."  I don't necessarily want to buy one, I 
just want the info on what has worked for people, for future reference.  
Budget is totally depleted for now (2x Sams is a lot of money!)

On Friday, June 17, 2016 at 9:36:01 AM UTC-4, Howard Hatten wrote:
>
> Jon
> Congratulations on your new bikes. SAMs are really nice bikes. For your 
> rack needs just post a WTB to the list. This group is very friendly & they 
> know just what will work for your bike. I'm sure you'll find something in 
> no time. 
> Safe riding
>
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
>

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