Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Just to be clear, and I'm starting to regret bringing up this phrase in the first place, a line in the sand is not a brand or marketing distinction. Obviously Rivendell is not The Bicycle Company Without Discs Ever Since 1994. And no, if they made a disc bike I wouldn't look at it as selling

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Lines drawn in the sand don't lead to anything; they are something. Specialized was used to make the point that if you wander past your line in the sand one too many times, you can become just another generic bicycle company. Because it does not make sense to you where someone else decides to

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

I volunteer to pick up that torch in a few months when the Bimoz motor for my MTBubbe comes in. On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 9:29:19 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: > > Hey, it could be worse, Mark. I could still be going on about Rivs with > electric motors ;-) -- You received this message

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Hey, it could be worse, Mark. I could still be going on about Rivs with electric motors ;-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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Agreed, which is how I talked myself into a disc Riv dirt bike. I can't see discs on any other models. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Sure, and that’s a valid reason (I’m playing devil’s advocate myself for the aforementioned reasons), but it’s not a line in the sand. Especially for road and all rounder style bikes. That’s a totally valid point of view. If we are talking hunqapillar/mountainy/plus bike (which I thought we

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Drew, to play devil's advocate for why Grant would tell me discs are a no go, I don't think he's thrilled with the stresses the front one puts into the fork. For someone who's invested so much of his design ethos into a lovely, slender fork, I can see why this would concern him. -- You

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Id ask what the line in the sand leads to? I’d like to think that Rivendell is smart enough and creative enough to own a minor mechanical change and figure out a way to make it fit with their brand. Somehow crust and bmc and many others have been able to remain unique while embracing all

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

I know it's undertaken in a helpful spirit, Joe. You must cut me some slack, as I am of the opinion that our modern civilization truly went off the rails when the telephone climbed down off the kitchen wall. If you start advocating for chainsaws, that will be another story. (I will say that a

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Also, the question isn't whether folks think a disc Riv is acceptable. The question is if anybody wants one, thereby presuming they would buy it. The answer is yes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this

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Well Mark, this thread is an offshoot of the one asking about potential Rivs which don't exist, so that's the spirit of Hunqadiscer. And yes, I would think it would originate from one of the youngsters as Clem did. That's why I brought it up with Roman instead of Grant, who'd rather have a hole

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

I think I said this some time ago in one of the previous disc-ussions, but I would think if RBW were to go in this direction, it might be with a design from one of the non-Grant designers at the company, who have been working on the Rosco projects. On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 10:28:56 PM

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Drew wrote: *It seems unnecessarily stubborn to completely rule out another way of stopping a bike. I mean that’s all it is. How a bike stops shouldn’t be integral to anyone’s being.* You are so right. And you know, making a bicycle out of carbon fiber or aluminum or bamboo is just another

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You and me both, Joe! Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to

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What can I say, Patrick, I'm a happy customer who always wants more Riv stuff. Sometimes I'm annoying about it!  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

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Yes I would. I tried to avoid disc talk in the other thread because I know how these conversations devolve and it seems like it definitely won’t happen. That said, I think Rivendell is needlessly eliminating a huge market by not at least being open to discs. A market that you can see others

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Thanks, Jeff. Yes, there is a lot to bike handling in addition to front fork. Grin. I also agree with you that a Grant designed disk brake bike would ride better than most all disk brake bikes. But would the change be more than Grant is willing to do? Only one person can answer that question.

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On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:44 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: > Jeff said: “In general, front forks for discs appear more stout than many > boutique brand front forks that strive for a french style bend, but there's > plenty that are on par with mid-tier commodity Surly and

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Joe said: “Btw, Grant is going to strangle me for badgering him about discs again. Sorry, Grant! ” And after he helped you get a grip (or two) too! Grin. Ducking now. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.

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Makes sense, Joe. Thanks for explaining it for me. One could make the opposite arguement: that clear communication and phylosophy shapping Rivendell’s bikes’ quality ride on tried and true parts in a declining market raises one above the noise of the big guys whose strategy is far too often

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Btw, Grant is going to strangle me for badgering him about discs again. Sorry, Grant!  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

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After the disc brake discussion, we should probably move on to helmet use and politics :) Hydraulic disc brakes feel amazing - great braking with minimal hand effort and superior modulation Disc brakes work better in wet conditions Disc brakes make fitment of large tires easier Disc brakes make

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

On 02/03/2018 03:55 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: Here’s why I ask. In my exploration for weatherproof drivetrain and brakes, I naturally explored disk brakes. What I think I learned is they fundimentally change the front fork and thus the bike and how it handles, needing to be thicker to handle

Re: [RBW] Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

Yes, without hesitation. On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 3:30 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > Now that I've conjured up my future-Riv on the "what type of bike" thread > (full disclosure: I also sent an email to Roman @ Riv), I guess I'll > campaign for it on its own thread. > > I know