Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Moore, Richard
I think CE is more usually taken as Common Era, rather than Christian Era. Christian Era would, I agree, defeat the object. The Wikipedia article on the abbreviations has the following links to published usage: http://ngrams.googlelabs.com/graph?content=BC,BCEyear_start=1800year_e

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Moore, Richard
Yes, fl. was allowed in AACR2. You'll find it in the examples in AACR2 22.17A, and in many headings across the LC/NAF. Although the examples in RDA 9.19.1.5 spell it out as Flourished, NACO practice follows the LCPS for 9.19.1.1, and prefers Active. I suppose one can be active, without

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Kelleher, Martin
Odd we didn't get many fl.s, then - so did NACO used to have neither 'active' or 'fl.'? Seems to be on the MARC21 pagesI'm pretty sure they used to be filtered out according to 1 protocol or another, or perhaps it was just an unpopular practice.. I'm not sure whether 'active' is a

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Moore, Richard
A quick search on our local copy of the LC/NAF reveals 28332 personal name headings containing the characters fl. That will include some name-titles. The LCRI limited its use, except exceptionally, to spans of dates and to pre-20th century persons. Neither RDA nor the LCPS has either of those

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Kelleher, Martin
Strange, then... I've been labouring under the illusion we were dissenters all this time, whereas actually we were entirely conformist! Well, I'm not sure what we'll go for in the end - although I think locally we'll probably prefer fl./flourished/active over adding occupations, not least

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread James Weinheimer
The actual rules in the LCRIs are at https://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/22-17-22-20-additions-to-distinguish-identical-names 22.17-22.20. Additions to Distinguish Identical Names. Although flourished dates are allowed, they are sixth of seven in order of preference. Therefore, they

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Moore, Richard
The thing with occupations, is that while you can only add one to an access point to make it unique (and the far-sighted among us regard access points as ephemeral, apparently), you can record as many as you like as discrete data elements in the 374 MARC field. So RDA authority records become much

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Kelleher, Martin
Hi Richard Nope! Well not uniformly, not by a long chalk. We use fairly nonstandard headings (although not as nonstandard as I thought, apparently), and internally maintained authorities, although bulk loads of ebooks mean we go for NAF headings where consistency can be maintained with our own

Re: [RDA-L] Christianity-centric terminology in RDA

2012-07-23 Thread Moore, Richard
Martin The BL has used LC/NAF in current cataloguing for a number of years, but we have large numbers of legacy bibliographic records containing headings from our own former national authority file, and others created to standards that preceded that (for example, successive iterations of

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL

2012-07-23 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
Richard, I am seeing lots of BL created RDA conference headings show up for individual conferences, many using initials. The biggest difference I see is the word (Conference) added to the initials. Example: 111: 2|aWWIC (Conference)|n(10th :|d2012 :|cThera Island, Greece) I like it since it

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL

2012-07-23 Thread Gene Fieg
I would hope that if the initialism is spelled out somewhere, that, at least, a xref is created, if not the main entry for the body. I don't think using initialisms for corporate bodies is going to help the patron. After all, sir, Just waht is the WWIC, the patron might ask. On Mon, Jul 23,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL

2012-07-23 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
Gene, Using such terms is a very strong 'pattern' of naming in the sciences. My most recent list to check included: CCPI 2011|d(2011 :|cBordeaux, France) CGWS 2011|d(2011 :|cBordeaux, France) DQDI 2012|d(2012 :|cPusan, Korea) DSRC 2010|d(2010 :|cHouston, Texas) EC 2012|d(2012 :|cZakopane,

Re: [RDA-L] RDA Conference headings created by BL

2012-07-23 Thread Lasater, Mary Charles
Bob, Thanks! I hope we will have some examples of such headings since this is a pretty major change from AACR2/NACO practice. Mary Charles -Original Message- From: Resource Description and Access / Resource Description and Access [mailto:RDA-L@LISTSERV.LAC-BAC.GC.CA] On Behalf Of