Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-19 Thread Chris Mason
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 11:30 PM, Gary Willett wrote: > > Page 14: I am assuming that the Sonnen system is comprised of the > components and functionality encompassed in the box in the upper right side > of figure 2. And the Outback Radian is the inverter used for

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread frenergy
Mark, We humans many times make quite a stumble when we take a big new step (grid tied solar plus L-ion storage with the brains to manage all of it). I agree with you on one hand, we'll probably screw-up the first few iterations. On the other hand I feel pretty confident that

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Gary Willett
Chris: Thanks! More questions. Page 14: I am assuming that the Sonnen system is comprised of the components and functionality encompassed in the box in the upper right side of figure 2. And the Outback Radian is the inverter used for "F" - the "Storage System"

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Chris Mason
On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Mark Frye wrote: > I really have to wonder what the operating state of this piece of > equipment will be in 3 years and if still operational, how many > person-hours of support and maintenance will have been expended. > There's nothing

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Carl Adams
Drake, Pricing is for the package, for Eco 2-8 you get the Radian 4kW plus the kWh batteries specified. For the Eco 20 - 16 you get the Radian 8kE plus the kWh batteries specified. Here is a price sheet. Installer cost would be MSRP - 15% plus shipping. Reading the link, I'm not sure what the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Drake
Reading the link, I'm not sure what the following sentence refers to, the price of the system or the batteries. "The batteries are priced at $10,000 for the 4 kWh model up to $24,000 for the 16 kWh model." Literally it says that the cost is $10K for 4 KWh batteries. When compared to the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Gary Willett
Chris: Thanks! Were all of the components in the cabinet factory mounted and inter-connected, or was it field assembled? How much does the finished product weigh? Do you have any Sonnen and/or Outback URL(s) that provide installation documentation

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Mark Frye
What could be simpler? For some reason I can't help think of the Great Leap Forward in Chine where Mao had all the peasants gathering up all the iron objects and melting them down in small furnaces to help increase steel production. Of course none of the "steel" was any good. I guess it is

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-18 Thread Chris Mason
Here's the internals of the one we installed. https://www.dropbox.com/s/m0ie2tuqe7y1x9d/2016-06-15%2011.01.43.jpg?dl=0 It's a Radian, the batteries are Sony, there's a PLC in the door controlling everything, and a Vera Z-Wave controller for the programmable outlets. The BMS is on the door,

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-17 Thread Roland - RES
FYI that's a showroom unit with none of their internal wiring, and dummy inverter and batteries to keep it light. An actual unit has a tremendous amount of factory wiring between contractors, 200a auto transfer switch CT's and sensors along with a powder coated steel door in place of

Re: [RE-wrenches] Sonnen Battery & Outback Radian Inverter

2016-06-17 Thread Gary Willett
Enclosed is a photo of what appears to be a test/lab Sonnen system published in the 01/30/2016 edition of "Power Magazine. Can plainly see the 8kW Outback Radian inverter and I assume four 12V Sonnen (Sony?) 8kWh Lithium-Ion batteries. Assume this is a "standard"