Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-30 Thread Kienan Maxfield via RE-wrenches
stribution.solar From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches Sent: Monday, October 30, 2023 8:32 AM To: RE-wrenches Cc: Jason Szumlanski Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling I read through this thread, and I don't think one important as

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
422 > > 805-438-5600 > > www.millersolar.com > > CA Lic. 773985 > > > > > > *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On > Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches > *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2023 7:33 AM > *To:* RE-w

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-30 Thread Steve Higgins via RE-wrenches
ischarged very carefully. I do not believe > AC-coupled charging is a good way to charge lithium batteries, or any > battery. > > > > William Miller > > > > Miller Solar > > 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422 > > 805-438-5600 > > www.millersolar

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-30 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
www.millersolar.com CA Lic. 773985 *From:* RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches *Sent:* Monday, October 30, 2023 7:33 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Cc:* Jason Szumlanski *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling I read

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-30 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
of 100% AC coupled PV, but > these days there are very few legitimate concerns or issues... Most if not > all of which disappear with a 10% - 60% DC coupled system. > > Thanks, > Kienan > > > *Green-Go Solar Wholesale Distribution* > *maxfieldso...@hotmail.com * >

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-29 Thread Kienan Maxfield via RE-wrenches
ieldso...@hotmail.com<mailto:maxfieldso...@hotmail.com> (801) 631-5584 (Cell) www.distribution.solar From: RE-wrenches on behalf of Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2023 11:14 PM To: William Miller ; RE-wrenches Cc: Jerry Shafer Subje

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread Jerry Shafer via RE-wrenches
inverters > is a crude affair. I am not a fan. > > > > William > > > > Miller Solar > > 17395 Oak Road, Atascadero, CA 93422 > > 805-438-5600 > > www.millersolar.com > > CA Lic. 773985 > > > > > > *From:* Jay [mailto:jay.p

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
t:* Saturday, October 28, 2023 1:58 PM *To:* will...@millersolar.com; RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling I’m going to both agree and disagree Agree The older inverters ( Schneider, Outback, etc) your drawing is correct. Disagree For many new inverters ( sol ark, ev4, fortress) t

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread Chris Sparadeo via RE-wrenches
And just to muddy the waters a little, 2023 NEC uses AC Connected and DC connected wording in place of coupled. Same concept, new name. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 5:01 PM Roland - RES via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Agreed and we'll understand the differences, all of

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread Roland - RES via RE-wrenches
Agreed and we'll understand the differences, all of our SMA SI systems utilize both dc charging and AC coupled charging.Roland ShackelfordPresident / OwnerNABCEP PVIP #091209-162Office 808.775.7410Mobile 808.938.9239Power Solutions for Generations Renewable Energy Services, Inc." Where there is

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread Jay via RE-wrenches
I’m going to both agree and disagree Agree The older inverters ( Schneider, Outback, etc) your drawing is correct. Disagree For many new inverters ( sol ark, ev4, fortress) they bring ac coupling into the inverter directly. Usually on the generator input and not in the backup loads panel. And I

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches
I agree totally with your drawings. On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 4:17 PM William Miller via RE-wrenches < re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> wrote: > Friends: > > > > I am starting to get the impression that there is a diversion on the > understanding of the definition of AC coupling within the

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2023-10-28 Thread William Miller via RE-wrenches
Friends: I am starting to get the impression that there is a diversion on the understanding of the definition of AC coupling within the industry. I think this definition needs to be clarified. Below is a diagram of what I understand is a DC coupled system (I hope these diagrams come

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling PV Inverters and Generators

2023-08-21 Thread Jason Szumlanski via RE-wrenches
Are there any options out there similar to the Enphase System Controller MID that directly couple the AC outputs of a PV inverter and generator to simultaneously power loads? And can any do it with or without batteries involved? Jason Szumlanski Florida Solar Design Group

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Solar Edge, pre HD Wave

2023-06-30 Thread Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches
Sam, Thanks for pointing me in that direction. It looks like you can update some of the grid protection settings, although I am not sure if that will allow for freq-watt control. My LG rep told me to use CA rule 21 grid profile, but I am not sure if there is something like that on the old A series

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Solar Edge, pre HD Wave

2023-06-30 Thread Sam Haraldson via RE-wrenches
Good Morning, Dave, Take a look at this pdf and see if the info about setting up "Grid Protection" gets you anywhere. Starting on page three it shows how to make the Vmin/max and Fmin/max for screened inverters. What I can't verify for you is whether the A series has the same menu structure as

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Solar Edge, pre HD Wave

2023-06-30 Thread Dave Tedeyan via RE-wrenches
Hi all, Does anyone know if you can make the SolarEdge inverters (the A series, before the HD wave inverters) respond to frequency control? I cannot find a way to update the grid settings, and was wondering if anyone else has AC coupled these inverters to a non-SolarEdge battery system. If not,

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Standard?

2022-12-02 Thread Eric Smiley via RE-wrenches
I can use in the book as a universal explanation of how this > works? It can be SMA documentation, or other ref. You can reply here if > it's useful to the list, and/or contact me off-line. > > Thanks! – Windy > > On Dec 1, 2022, at 5:47 PM, re-wrenches-requ...@lists.re-wrenches.or

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Standard?

2022-12-02 Thread Windy Dankoff via RE-wrenches
e. Thanks! – Windy > On Dec 1, 2022, at 5:47 PM, re-wrenches-requ...@lists.re-wrenches.org wrote: > > From: Harry Mahon <mailto:michael.ma...@sma-america.com>> > Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Standard? > Date: December 1, 2022 at 5:47:18 PM MST > To: RE-wren

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling multiple OB Radian inverters

2022-12-01 Thread Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches
When AC coupling using 2 or more OB radian inverters, it is only the master inverter(at least that's where ac-coupling status shows as "yes") which can be set to, and perform "ac-coupling", correct? The Mate3s option to enable AC-coupling does not specify individual ports(inverters) to select and

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling with backup generator in circuit

2022-10-14 Thread Kirk Herander via RE-wrenches
>From an Outback application note: "Precautions Using a Generator When AC Coupling Most residential generators, and even some commercial grade generators, are not designed to synchronize with another AC source. They may experience catastrophic failure if the other AC source is a “stiffer” source

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling with Dual Radians

2018-12-28 Thread Peter Giroux
Jeremy With a mate 3 and a hub. Wire the out- puts into their own breaker in a service panel then out to the critical loads panel - Original Message - From: Jeremy Rodriguez To: RE-wrenches Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 12:30 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling with Dual Radians

2018-12-28 Thread Jeremy Rodriguez
I have been reading Outbacks AC coupling note. It refers to using only a single Radian Inverter. Is it possible to duplicate the equipment if more PV is installed, and use two Radians, with their outputs paralleled to the critical loads panel? I see it recommends 6Kw of PV with an 8048 Radian

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-29 Thread Jerry Shafer
Wrenches You can still AC couple Outback, they just eliminated tha option because of breaker issues but it can still be done using contactors all set to normally open and configured by DC Voltage. With Outback there is no real limit to battery capasity like you have with both the new SMA sunny boy

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-27 Thread Howie Michaelson
I've liked the StorEdge design of SolarEdge since it was first introduced a few years ago, but have never done it even seen an instant with it. What are others experience with it, especially compared to AC coupled battery backup solutions? Howie On Jul 25, 2018 8:18 PM, "Scot Arey" wrote: Yes I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-25 Thread Scot Arey
Yes I had also heard from Outback  that AC Coupling not supported. Too bad because the AC coupling load center was slick setup and integration. Scot Get Outlook for Android On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 10:29 AM -0600, "Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind" wrote: Larry,I

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-25 Thread Kelly Keilwitz, Whidbey Sun & Wind
Larry, I recommend considering retrofitting the SolarEdge “StorEdge” Li-ion battery. It’s a high-voltage battery on the PV side of the inverter. We have a few out there now for a few months without a problem. Really like the design concept of the storage on the PV side, increasing system

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-20 Thread Larry Brown
Kirpal Thanks for the recommendations If you have a diagram that would be most helpful and generous What Lithium Battery are you using with this configuration? Much Appreciated Larry Larry Brown Sun Mountain 845-657-8096 sunmount...@netstep.net On Jul 19, 2018, at 11:15 AM, Kirpal wrote:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-20 Thread Jerry Shafer
Larry I have had very good luck with Outback both with the FX and the newer Radian systems, have not tried this with the new "R" inverter system, we have used the contactors to reduce production once the batteries are full in the off gird application. Simple and strait forward and been good Jerry

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Peter Giroux
Larry Outback Radians work great. peter - Original Message - From: "Larry Brown" To: "RE-wrenches" Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling Does anyone have a recommendation on a battery based inverter to AC Couple with a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Bill Hennessy
Brown To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:07 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling Does anyone have a recommendation on a battery based inverter to AC Couple with a Solar Edge 11400A-US Inverter that is already installed? I have been working a lot with the Schneider Conergy XW

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Kirpal
Larry.Outback Radian would work fine but you would need 2 of the 8kW inverters for your ~11kW GT inverter. Outback recommends a maximum 75% loading ratio when AC coupling. We have used a simple solid state relay controlled by the Aux Out of the Radian to turn off one leg of the SolarEdge

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Kevin Eigel
I am working with a similar situation. It looks like the Tesla Powerwall will work. Kevin Eigel Ecohouse Solar On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 10:07 AM Larry Brown wrote: > Does anyone have a recommendation on a battery based inverter to AC Couple > with a Solar Edge 11400A-US Inverter that is already

Re: [RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Dave Angelini Offgrid Solar
You could ask them? I know the XW+ works fine with the SMA TL series grid inverters. Phone: +1 866-519-1470 Email: re.techsupp...@schneider-electric.com --Dave > Does anyone have a recommendation on a battery based inverter to AC Couple > with a Solar Edge 11400A-US Inverter that is already

[RE-wrenches] Ac Coupling

2018-07-19 Thread Larry Brown
Does anyone have a recommendation on a battery based inverter to AC Couple with a Solar Edge 11400A-US Inverter that is already installed? I have been working a lot with the Schneider Conergy XW+ Inverters for off grid but have no experience AC Coupling them with a Solar Edge Inverter Any

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-19 Thread Tom Ruscitti
I checked into the PRI strategy a few months back. An Outback applications engineer responded that while they were collaborating with SolarEdge at one time on the method, they don't recommend it any longer and were going to pull the tech note. The response also questioned whether SolarEdge

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-18 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Gary, These Solar Edge inverters can use radio ripple control to change power output. Its a simple control strategy that allows control of the power output presumably from a grid-operator. You would need to enable the RRCR. Here is a paper about that

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-18 Thread Gary Willett
Maverick: Thanks for responding. You've been very helpful in the past with my battery based solution questions. Daily load demand from the Protected Loads Panel is about 10kWh. With 5 average daily peak sun hours, and 75% charging efficiency, the

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-18 Thread Maverick Brown
How many kWh are you shooting for? > On Oct 17, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Gary Willett > wrote: > > Esteemed Wrenches: > > Anyone have experience setting up AC coupling with SolarEdge and the Outback > Radian? > > I have a client with a SolarEdge SE1A-US

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-18 Thread Drake
It looks like way too much power to AC couple with a 4KW Radian. Be sure to talk to an Outback engineer in great detail before using the GSLC175AC-120/240. At 10:54 PM 10/17/2016, you wrote: Esteemed Wrenches: Anyone have experience setting up AC coupling with SolarEdge and the Outback

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Solar Edge SE10000A-US With Outback Radian GS4048A

2016-10-17 Thread Gary Willett
Esteemed Wrenches: Anyone have experience setting up AC coupling with SolarEdge and the Outback Radian? I have a client with a SolarEdge SE1A-US inverter, equipped with 31 SunPower X21-345 modules (10.7kWp) and associated SolarEdge P400 DC optimizers.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with SolarEdge

2016-06-06 Thread Howie Michaelson
; > Brian > > AEE Solar > > bteitelb...@aeesolar.com > > > > > > From: RE-wrenches [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Howie Michaelson > Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:56 AM > To: RE-wrenches > Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Solar

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling with SolarEdge

2016-06-06 Thread Howie Michaelson
Hi all, Apparently SolarEdge is no longer officially supporting or warranting AC Coupling - maybe because they now have the StorEdge option (has anyone actually seen one for sale and/or operating). In any case, since I have sold prior to missing that memo and am now in the position of installing a

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights

2015-09-21 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org <mailto:re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org>> Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights Hi Matt, I can’t tell you the reason but I had the same problem on my Outback VFX. I didn’t put it on a O scope,

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights

2015-09-21 Thread Jay
ginal message > From: jay <jay.pe...@gmail.com> > Date: 09/21/2015 6:58 AM (GMT-10:00) > To: RE-wrenches <re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> > Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights > > Hi Matt, > > I can’t tell

[RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights

2015-09-21 Thread jay
Hi Matt, I can’t tell you the reason but I had the same problem on my Outback VFX. I didn’t put it on a O scope, but sure looked like a 60 cycle flicker to me. On my system of 2 enphase, when the loads exceeded the output of the enphase the flicker when away. But only 2 isn’t very real world.

[RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights

2015-09-21 Thread Matt Sherald
I wired an Enphase string into my critical loads panel at my shop. I was curious to see how it would work as I have customers with Enphase systems that occasionally contact me about adding a battery backup system. Why do the fluorescent lights and LEDs flicker once the grid power is dropped.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights

2015-09-21 Thread jerrysgarage01
-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org> Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC-coupling Enphase/XW Causes Flickering of Lights Hi Matt, I can’t tell you the reason but I had the same problem on my Outback VFX.I didn’t put it on a O scope, but sure looked like a 60 cycle flicker to me.   On my system of 2 enphase, wh

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-11 Thread Chris Mason
I'll tell you exactly how to do this, if I understand the SolarEdge documentation. I am working on a similar project, but using a contactor to disconnect three 10KW String inverters. Forget the Radio Ripple. The SolarEdge has a simple four line control system. SMA has the same thing on it's Power

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-10 Thread Mac Lewis
Hello wrenches, I have a request to design a modest battery backup system for a residence that has a 10 kW grid-tied Solar Edge system using a single SolarEdge Inverter SE1A- US. I'd like to try to utilize the solar potential that we have on site. One idea that I had was to use DC relay(s)

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-10 Thread jay peltz
Hi Mac, It looks like they are doing all that work on the AC side. If you do the DC side, you'll lose the comm from the optimizers causing error messages etc. For the few times a year this will actually need to regulate, depending on the battery inverter I'd install a AC relay and kill the

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-10 Thread Jerry Shafer
Mac Outback makes a AC couple ready radian wired box its nice because it already has the relay to kill the PV system along with the programming to make it work Jerry On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 6:04 AM, jay peltz j...@asis.com wrote: Hi Mac, It looks like they are doing all that work on the AC

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-10 Thread jay peltz
Question Is the Hz shift/ power reduction included/required in all battery less inverters? Thanks Jay Peltz power___ List sponsored by Redwood Alliance List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change listserver email address settings:

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge

2014-12-10 Thread Jarmo . Venalainen
| Address: 3700 Gilmore Way, Burnaby, BC V5G4M1 *** Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail From: jay peltz j...@asis.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org, Date: 12/10/2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling SolarEdge Sent by: RE-wrenches re

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Relays

2014-06-16 Thread Drake
Hello Wrenches, Do the relays that break the current from the direct grid tie inverters, in AC coupled systems, need to be motor rated or can they simply be rated for the amperage of the inverter output? How inductive is the current between the two inverter systems? Will the current tend to

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Relays

2014-06-16 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
Since grid-tie inverters sell back with a power factor of 1, the load ~should~ be entirely resistive and not inductive or capacitive so a appropriately rated relay contacts ~should~ be fine. Except maybe if the inverter is designed to supply VARs like the last Solar-Pro magazine talks

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Relays

2014-06-16 Thread Mac Lewis
Hi Drake, I think you can put a power diode in parallel to the gt inverter that can conduct that inductive current if you need to. However, I think BoB is correct, there should just be induction of the wiring itself for most grid-tied inverter. The relay engineer recommended this diode for a DC

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Relays

2014-06-16 Thread Exeltech
with his comments (below). Dan On Mon, 6/16/14, Mac Lewis maclew...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Relays To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Monday, June 16, 2014, 10:59 AM Hi Drake, I think you can put

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius

2014-04-21 Thread Bill Hennessy
-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2014 4:44 PM Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius Hello wrenches, Has anyone had good success AC coupling with Fronius Inverters?  If so, what equipment did you use?  Was this with an IG or an IG Plus? I have had

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius

2014-04-17 Thread Drake
We did one and it seems to work fine. We AC coupled a pair of Sunny Islands to a Fronius IG Plus 10.0-1 UNI. There might be a problem if you are using a Radian with the Fronius. At 04:44 PM 4/16/2014, you wrote: Hello wrenches, Has anyone had good success AC coupling with Fronius

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius

2014-04-17 Thread All Solar, Inc.
Have one with dual Xantrex XWs and a IG plus 10.0. Working good Jeremy Rodriguez All Solar CO USA - Original Message - From: Drake To: RE-wrenches Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius We did one and it seems to work

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius

2014-04-17 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Mac, I have a customer with 17kW on 3 Fronius inverters. He connected a cheap 40kW china diesel generator during a week long power outrage. I was amazed when he told me they sync'd up with no problems. Larry On Apr 16, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Mac Lewis maclew...@gmail.com wrote: Hello wrenches,

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius

2014-04-16 Thread Mac Lewis
Hello wrenches, Has anyone had good success AC coupling with Fronius Inverters? If so, what equipment did you use? Was this with an IG or an IG Plus? I have had quite a few people lately with Fronius Inverters that would like a backup solution and I'm not comfortable AC coupling these, but

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-28 Thread lars Ortegren
We have done a number of off grid AC coupling projects over the last eight years. We have found they are successful with anything that comes close to a true sign wave, including some of the old Trace inverters. I would be careful to not come too close to the wattage of the source inverter, and

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-28 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi Lars I'm curious what you found those efficiency differences to be? And how are you measuring inverter charging efficiency in the bi directional mode Thanks Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2013, at 10:53 AM, lars Ortegren l...@cal-solar.com wrote: We have done a

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-28 Thread Allan Sindelar
Lars, With the old Trace inverters? Were they 4.01 firmware or 4.10/4.30? Did you use the GTI? How did you AC couple them - which input/output terminals? And what was the rationale in an off grid scenario - distance to sun in a shady forest? I

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-27 Thread Drake
I also saw that webinar. We had just coupled a Fronius 10K to a pair of Sunny Islands. It seems to be working fine. It is a backup system, so we have only tested it. SMA tech support assured me it would work before we bought the system. Is the Outback wave form unique in any way, causing

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-27 Thread Gary Willett
Maybe their position has changed, but the last time I looked into AC coupling a Fronius inverter I was told by Fronius that it would void their warranty. Has that policy changed? Regards, Gary Willett Icarus Engineering LLC

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-27 Thread Drake
It seems a little vague on that point. Talking to Fronius tech support did not produce a definitive answer. I think so long as the system is basically grid tied, it likely wouldn't. In the webinar, the presenter said that Fronius wasn't worried about the AC relay being switched on and off by

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-26 Thread David Katz
Jeremy I have a system on my house with 6 kW of grid tie inverters AC coupled to an Outback Radian, which is actually two 4 kW inverters in one box. It works great in full sun with the grid off. I don't see a problem with what you are doing. David Katz Sent from my iPhone On May 25, 2013, at

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-26 Thread Kelly Larson
Hi Jeremy, FYI: I heard that Fronius is the most sensitive of the GT inverters and so the most difficult to fool or keep on in an AC coupled system. That was from the Magnum AC Coupling webinar. Blessings, Kelly Kelly Larson Electrical Engineer NABCEP Certified Solar PV Installation

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling different brands

2013-05-25 Thread All Solar
Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend! I have a system where we have Installed a pair of XW inverters along with a 10k Fronius inverter. We have been told that we need to limit the PV watts to the lowest XW inverter. We have XW capacity in excess of the array, so why can't they entire array

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Situation

2013-03-19 Thread Jason Szumlanski
What brand of inverter are your using for the off-grid inverter. SMA has addressed this issue with the Sunny Island. I'm looking at an all-SMA option for a new installation, and also an SMA-Enphase AC Coupled system, so I'll be interested to see what others with more AC coupling experience have to

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Situation

2013-03-18 Thread Jeremy Rodriguez- All Solar Inc.
Wrenches, Here is my situation: GT string inverter - 3 strings of mods, 10KW DC. We need to reduce the PV when the grid is down as to not overload the AC coupled inverters. Is there a good way to limit PV input like shunt off some power or short part of the array? (part) I was first thinking

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Situation

2013-03-18 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi Jeremy Seems like a perfect place for the 600v controller from xantrex Jay Peltz power. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2013, at 7:23 PM, Jeremy Rodriguez- All Solar Inc. allso...@scswifi.net wrote: Wrenches, Here is my situation: GT string inverter - 3 strings of mods, 10KW DC.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters

2012-10-05 Thread Glenn Burt
(many years of data comms experience B4 solar) From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of mac Lewis Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:41 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters Hi

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters

2012-10-05 Thread Kirk Herander
-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of David Katz Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:11 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters Hi Kirk, All of the Outback inverters will work AC coupled (GT and FX) as will any bi-directional H-bridge type inverter. I have used old

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters

2012-10-05 Thread David Katz
smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Kirk Herander k...@vtsolar.com To: apos;RE-wrenchesapos; re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters Date: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:08 am I am leaning towards the SunnyIsland. I

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling and Outback inverters

2012-10-04 Thread Kirk Herander
I have AC-coupled an Outback quad-stack with multiple SunnyBoy 6000US inverters and it's been running fine for 4 years. I used the off-grid version of Outbacks. Now I have an application where a customer wants to add battery backup to an existing SunnyBoy 5000US system. And expand his array by a

[RE-wrenches] AC coupling with Fronius and XW

2012-08-07 Thread All Solar, Inc.
Wrenches, I found a post/thread from last April that Marc Edmunds had posted regarding tech notes for the XW series inverters. Also, Fronius cannot advise on how to ac couple their inverters! I am trying to utilize an existing system and add battery backup, if possible. Can anyone direct me to

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2012-06-01 Thread Steve Higgins
, 2012 5:34 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling I currently have a dual Outback GTVFX system for the office at home and am adding an SMA 4KW GIT system. We are going for 100% solar powered on the office home. Yahoo! I would like to be able to AC support the battery based GTVFX

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2012-05-31 Thread Dana
I currently have a dual Outback GTVFX system for the office at home and am adding an SMA 4KW GIT system. We are going for 100% solar powered on the office home. Yahoo! I would like to be able to AC support the battery based GTVFX system in the event of an extended power outage. I spoke with

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XWInverters toEnphaseMicroinverters

2011-10-06 Thread Carl Adams
My query to Enphase on the subject and there response Hello, Here is a technote which talks about how to use the Xantrex XW with a grid tied inverter.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-06 Thread Brian Faley
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Kent Osterberg Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 1:47 PM To: al...@positiveenergysolar.com; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Brian, Is this the drawing? Magnum ac coupled diagram http://www.google.com/url?sa=tsource

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-04 Thread Christopher Warfel
One should also factor in the availability of generator fuel if an extended outage occurs. In some communities, the fuel will be scarce or non-existent, especially if significant damage occurs to fuel transporation and storage infrastructure. brbrbr--- Original Message --- On

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-04 Thread Darryl Thayer
volt section.  The only way this can be made up is to overcharge the 12-24 volt section such that the 12 volt get charged.  DT From: R Ray Walters r...@solarray.com To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-03 Thread Kent Osterberg
ber 02, 2011 4:45 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Brian, Could you speak a bit more to this, please? My understanding is that the need with a string (or, I suppose, micro-) inverter and a battery-based inverter is for a way to disconnect full batteries from be

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-03 Thread R Ray Walters
Hi Jay; I agree, for long outages, a generator is the way to go. It just doesn't make sense to have 5 days of lead acid battery sitting there for years waiting to be used once or twice in an epic ice storm. On the other hand, many places have very unreliable grid power with short outages every

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Larry Brown
Wrenches, After Hurricane Irene left a lot of people without power here in the Northeast, customers who have grid-tied systems are asking about some battery backup to power some essential loads. We have used Sunny Islands but they require either 2 Sunny Islands or a step up transformer

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread wirewiz
Yes, there should be an uptick in at least inquiries about solar backup here in the NE. I went to a site in CT where I was called in to see why the customer was upset about why her backup batteries went dead when she was told the solar would stay on line and charge them during what is now week

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Brian Faley
Hi Larry, Magnum MS PAE inverters do indeed shift the inverter output frequency when the battery is full in order to disconnect grid-tied inverters used in AC coupled systems. It was designed to work in conjunction with a DC diversion load - which is recommended if the system is larger than a

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Allan Sindelar
Brian, Could you speak a bit more to this, please? My understanding is that the need with a string (or, I suppose, micro-) inverter and a battery-based inverter is for a way to disconnect full batteries from being overcharged when the grid is down and sell is disabled.

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Mark Frye
...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 4:45 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Brian, Could you speak a bit more to this, please? My understanding is that the need with a string (or, I

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Marv Dargatz
Of Brian Faley Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 5:21 PM To: al...@positiveenergysolar.com; RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Hi Allen, I'll try to describe the typical AC coupled system as well as I can. In such a system, a NON-grid tied battery based inverter (i.e. Magnum MS PAE

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread jay peltz
HI Larry, I'll chime in here with the other option, ie no batteries at all. Instead its a back up generator. I've found them to be much cheaper, and if you are expecting a longer outage then weather is usually a problem ie its overcast and therefor you'll need a backup for your battery system

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling

2011-09-02 Thread Nathan Jones
Allan, You're not the only one with your eyes spinning here. Let me clarify a bit as I think you are making it more complicated than it is. There is no need for a manual switch. The GT inverters feed into the sub panel which is being fed by the Magnum. Since the Magnum is fed by the main panel

[RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters to Enphase Microinverters

2011-05-03 Thread Jason Szumlanski
I read the application note here: http://www.global-download.schneider-electric.com/852577A4005D7372/all/8 FA29D94B918A0FB8525781F0072FCA7/$File/ac-coupling-app-note(976-0240-01-0 1_rev-a).pdf ...and I contacted Xantrex to make sure the application note applies to other brands of grid-tie

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters to EnphaseMicroinverters

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Frye
: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:18 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters to EnphaseMicroinverters I read the application note here: http://www.global-download.schneider-electric.com/852577A4005D7372/all/8FA29 D94B918A0FB8525781F0072FCA7/$File/ac-coupling-app-note(976

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters toEnphaseMicroinverters

2011-05-03 Thread Jason Szumlanski
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Mark Frye Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 9:32 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters toEnphaseMicroinverters Jason, My guess is that this will work just fine. My comment is that according

Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters toEnphaseMicroinverters

2011-05-03 Thread Gary Willett
03, 2011 9:32 AM *To:* 'RE-wrenches' *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] AC Coupling Xantrex XW Inverters toEnphaseMicroinverters Jason, My guess is that this will work just fine. My comment is that according to my conversations with Enphase, they would consider this an off-grid application

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