Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-29 Thread Islam Amer
IIRC, don't vanilla and -mm have some somewhat substancial internal differences that could require manual changes? I could be wrong though, I've never even looked at the diffs/patches for vanilla vs -mm. That's what I am pointing to. The patches might apply cleanly or have a few FAILED

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-29 Thread David Masover
Islam Amer wrote: IIRC, don't vanilla and -mm have some somewhat substancial internal differences that could require manual changes? I could be wrong though, I've never even looked at the diffs/patches for vanilla vs -mm. That's what I am pointing to. The patches might apply cleanly or have

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-29 Thread Dan Oglesby
David Masover wrote: Islam Amer wrote: IIRC, don't vanilla and -mm have some somewhat substancial internal differences that could require manual changes? I could be wrong though, I've never even looked at the diffs/patches for vanilla vs -mm. That's what I am pointing to. The patches

Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Fionn Behrens
Hello all, I just wanted to tell along a bit about my recent experiences with reiserfs. I have been using reiser3.[56] without any glitch for more than five years and when I got a new notebook last year, I decided to give reiser4 a try. There even was a handy kernel patch package available in

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Domenico Andreoli
On Wed, Sep 28, 2005 at 03:40:12PM +0200, Fionn Behrens wrote: Hello all, hi, Now, would someone please tell me where I can find a reiser4 patch that works as stable and surprise-free as your code back then in the old ages of 2004 and that can be applied to 2.6.13? i'd be interested in

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Wednesday 28 September 2005 17:40, Fionn Behrens wrote: Hello all, Hello I just wanted to tell along a bit about my recent experiences with reiserfs. I have been using reiser3.[56] without any glitch for more than five years and when I got a new notebook last year, I decided to give

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Islam Amer
On 9/28/05, Vitaly Fertman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 28 September 2005 17:40, Fionn Behrens wrote: Hello all, Hello I just wanted to tell along a bit about my recent experiences with reiserfs. I have been using reiser3.[56] without any glitch for more than five years and

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Please? Or would I have been better off using XFS from the beginning? Maybe this wouldn't be such a bad idea - since it would avoid such unfriendly posts to the mailing list. Since YOU WANT help, you should behave like its ment to be not always throughing arround how stupid this and that is.

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Fionn Behrens
On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 18:25 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: 2.6.11 refused to boot the root partition, claiming that there were an inconsistency in the FS. the disk format got new parameters and old kernels cannot understand it right. Ah, I see. So maybe it would be a good idea if the new fs

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Fionn Behrens
On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 16:51 +0200, Clemens Eisserer wrote: Man you get the best Linux-FS out there for free (I bet you did not contribute) and all you do is nerving arround. Sorry if you see it this way. I actually took some time and effort to write up a post that is at least mildly

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Ingo Bormuth
On 2005-09-28 15:40, Fionn Behrens wrote: There was my first surprise: It was not! I spent quite some time searching around and finally found that seemingly the only way to get reiser4 for the latest kernel were a dozen and a half reiser4* patches from mm. Their proper sequence of

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Wednesday 28 September 2005 19:28, Fionn Behrens wrote: On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 18:25 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: 2.6.11 refused to boot the root partition, claiming that there were an inconsistency in the FS. the disk format got new parameters and old kernels cannot understand it

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Fionn Behrens
On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 20:40 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: remember that reiser4progs-1.0.4 supports both formats, in other words having the format updated to the new one, you are able to use new kernelonly. If you want to move back to 2.6.10, you have to build-fs with 1.0.3 version or

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread David Masover
Fionn Behrens wrote: On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 18:25 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: 2.6.11 refused to boot the root partition, claiming that there were an inconsistency in the FS. the disk format got new parameters and old kernels cannot understand it right. Ah, I see. So maybe it would be a

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Hans Reiser
I apologize that the latest reiser4 with the cleanups requested by Hellwig is more than a bit of a turkey (due to bugs in our cleanups). We just now sent some patches which will improve things, but I don't yet have confidence in the code, and will not until we go for two weeks with no reports of

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Hans Reiser
Fionn Behrens wrote: On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 18:25 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: 2.6.11 refused to boot the root partition, claiming that there were an inconsistency in the FS. the disk format got new parameters and old kernels cannot understand it right. Ah, I see. So maybe it

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Hans Reiser
Fionn Behrens wrote: Because of my good experiences with ReiserFS in the past I had high expectations. As you correctly and rightfully stated, reiser4 is development code and that probably means I should not rely on anything. Well, it had gone stable, sorry we let it destable. Hans

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Islam Amer
Sorry about the full quotes, I just hit reply all in gmail and type in my email. I thought this was how the mailing list knows which thread to attatch my email to. Pardon my ignorance. Yes reiser4 was very solid but now it became a little shaky. little off topic: BTW, Previously I had amazing

iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:13:52 +0300, Islam Amer said: BTW, Previously I had amazing performance with anticipatory IO-scheduler ( even more so with genetic anticipatory ) any comments on this io-scheduler business, as it stirred up some commotion before. Is the performance boost an illusion or

Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland

2005-09-28 Thread Vitaly Fertman
On Wednesday 28 September 2005 21:57, Fionn Behrens wrote: On Mi, 2005-09-28 at 20:40 +0400, Vitaly Fertman wrote: remember that reiser4progs-1.0.4 supports both formats, in other words having the format updated to the new one, you are able to use new kernelonly. If you want to move back

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread Islam Amer
The performance boost for any of the provided iosched schemes can be positive, negative, imaginary, or complex(*), depending on the actual workload of the system, and what reference patterns it generates. I assumed published benchmarks are conducted under strictly controlled conditions.

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread Islam Amer
On 9/28/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the latest cfq in the latest kernel, it is much better than the others for most applications. Anticipatory used to be the best, but cfq-3 is better now. Yes I always had my eyes on the applicable parts of -ck patchset becasue they

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread Hans Reiser
Islam Amer wrote: The performance boost for any of the provided iosched schemes can be positive, negative, imaginary, or complex(*), depending on the actual workload of the system, and what reference patterns it generates. I assumed published benchmarks are conducted under strictly

iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread studdugie
On 9/28/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the latest cfq in the latest kernel, it is much better than the others for most applications. Anticipatory used to be the best, but cfq-3 is better now. When you say the best is that a general conclusion for both single disks and

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread Jonathan Briggs
On Wed, 2005-09-28 at 17:33 -0400, studdugie wrote: On 9/28/05, Hans Reiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check out the latest cfq in the latest kernel, it is much better than the others for most applications. Anticipatory used to be the best, but cfq-3 is better now. When you say the best

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread David Masover
Islam Amer wrote: Problem is lots of experimental patches in -mm series hurt throughput and performance and reiser4 users have to suffer. Otherwise we have to go through the slightly non-trivial procedure of patching the vanilla kernel. Non-trivial? How's this: for i in `egrep '^reiser4'

Re: iosched (was Re: Full of surprises - A reiser4 story from userland)

2005-09-28 Thread michael chang
On 9/28/05, David Masover [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Islam Amer wrote: Problem is lots of experimental patches in -mm series hurt throughput and performance and reiser4 users have to suffer. Otherwise we have to go through the slightly non-trivial procedure of patching the vanilla kernel.