Re: [Repeater-Builder] Antenna Gain (WAS antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote)

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 10, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Eric Lemmon wrote: The international communications engineering organizations have decreed that dBd shall be used for antennas below 1 GHz, and dBi shall be used for antennas 1 GHz and above. And why would the Marketing/Sales department care about what the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Antenna Gain (WAS antenna question - Dip It and Scotch Kote)

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 10, 2008, at 5:44 PM, wb8art wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Bosshard wrote: Aluminum gives directivity and pattern - GAIN comes from EIMAC. Now THIS guy knows his stuff. 4CX250R (Eimac) and 2 metersYea!

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Best coax for short jumpers in repeater cabinet?

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 11, 2008, at 9:52 AM, n9wys wrote: Looks like you and I are in the minority, Brent. I mentioned this same cable about a week ago, and it went virtually “unnoticed”… :-( Mark – N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of KF4TNP RG-393/U M17/127 I use this cable

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digital Repeater Operation

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 11, 2008, at 10:13 PM, wd8chl wrote: That's what I was headed towards. The original post of the FCC answer (the part I quoted) seemed to lead that the petitioners were requesting additional repeater spectrum partially based on D-Star users not being able to determine if a frequency

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digita

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 11, 2008, at 9:40 PM, wd8chl wrote: Ron Wright wrote: Jim, I tend to agree more spectrum is not needed on 2 meters just to accommodate D-Star or any other mode, digital or analog. Many analog boys are also starving for space for their repeaters. D-Star does look for the proper

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digit

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
On May 10, 2008, at 7:26 AM, Dan Blasberg wrote: Since in some instances D-Star is an add on board, I wonder why ICOM wouldn't do the same thing for a P25 add on board? Because they already make P25-specific rigs that are priced at roughly 4x the price (or more, your mileage may vary

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Best coax for short jumpers in repeater cabinet?

2008-05-12 Thread Adam T. Cately
At 04:50 PM 5/11/08 -, you wrote: Are you sure you don't mean 'RG-223' there, Skipper-doo? I use a lot of this on my bench and home equipment, for the same reasons the Skipp points out - it's cheap and effective. It's the same size (approximately) as RG-58, and uses mostly the same

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digita

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Nate, I should have said a repeater radio cost over $1000, but then again I thought the discussion was about repeaters on D-Star. I paid $400 for the IC91AD. This is about the cheapest one can do unless they get used like on e-bay. An equivlant analog is $180...dual band 2m/440 HT.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom Duplexer Desense Problem - Mystery

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
s A number ask the question if it was LMR400 or 9913 or any double shielded dissimilar metals shield. Sounds as if this was not an issue. Your statements are worth saying again. WACOMs I've worked with did use RG214 for cavity-to-cavity cables. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Service Manual For Sale

2008-05-12 Thread wjpcolorado
Givan, If you wouldn't mind replying to me off list- I am interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Bill Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Givan George [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 08:57:53 To:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder]

[Repeater-Builder] Duplex coax types

2008-05-12 Thread jimmylpowell
After reading all of the recent post about different types of coax that are acceptable in duplex service, I made my self a list. Then, I thought that this might be helpful to others. Here's what I came up with so far. Please add any that I have missed. RG-142 Be careful that it will not move

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Feedlines In and Out of Repeater Cabinet

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Bob, A PL259 or SO239, a good one, is good to 500 Mhz although at UHF, 440, I would recommend N connectors as you suggested. One problem with UHF connectors, PL259, etc, so many are made for CB. The cheap 10/$10. Good for HF, but that is about it. Guess ok on 6. Motorola and GE used UHF

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
I would recommend not using a 12.5 kHz spacing freq in this case of a control receiever, a receiver that is only 12.5 kHz away from your regular repeater input. With typical good FM analog receivers these would both have overlapping passbands and an input signal on the repeater input would

[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Error Code L06

2008-05-12 Thread wb0vhb
I have a digital MSF5000 that normally works OK. From time to time it stops working and L06 is displayed. Resetting the station brings it back to operation. My service manual does not list error code L06. Does anyone know what it means? Randy WB0VHB

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
One can get push button switches that latch on when pushed/latch off when pushed again. IF you want just digital mode while switch is pressed then no problem. If you want to make sure the radio stays in analog until commanded requiring the op to hold during digital then a momentary switch

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 Error Code L06

2008-05-12 Thread Bob M.
According to my info, there is no set of error codes beginning with L. There's A, d, E, o, and U. The only 06 code is A06. When the station powers up, does it display 8.8.8.? This would be the way it does an LED test. Perhaps one or more segments are missing from the display. I suspect it's

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Paul Holm
At 5/11/2008 14:33, you wrote: I would like to add a control receiver to a UHF (446 MHz) repeater. So, is there a way that I can use the repeater antenna for both the repeater and the control receiver? John AF4PD Sure, if your input control RX freqs. are close enough. I have 2 sites

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread n9wys
Couldn't you use a toggle/push-button switch if it was momentary (spring-loaded)? (i.e. push-on, push-off) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rich Summers Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:23 PM To:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Best coax for short jumpers in repeater cabinet?

2008-05-12 Thread n9wys
Nate, I first became enlightened when someone gave me several lengths of RG-393 with type-N connectors already on it. I used them in my first homebrew 900 machine, and then in my converted 900 MHz MSF5000 (although photos of the station show RG-400 - taken during testing). Once I did some

[Repeater-Builder] Available: 900MHz. MII Repeater + /\/\ Maxtrac Mobiles

2008-05-12 Thread Robin
Greetings, I have a GE MASTRII repeater which was removed from service in the upper 800 MHz. band available; perfect for moving to 900 amateur service available. It is in a 4' GE cabinet, with a base station power supply. I can test and deliver to Dayton Hamvention. I will sell the repeater alone

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Seperate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Al Wolfe
John, Ebay is your friend here. Look for Mini Circuits there and you will find dozens of suitable units. I've gotten several two-way splitters there. Typical and theoretical loss is 3 db, not usually a problem following a preamp. The TV type splitters do work as well but can be a bear

[Repeater-Builder] Lot's of repeater Stuff

2008-05-12 Thread Paul Finch
Hello, I will be at Dayton early Thursday morning with a lot of stuff for sale, need to finance the trip some way. $4.50 diesel is not helping matters. 444.850 +5MHz offset CTCSS of 110.9 Hz Spaces 903 and 904 Paul No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Best coax for short jumpers in repeater cabinet?

2008-05-12 Thread skipp025
Sometimes skipper-don't type so well... yes I meant RG-223 and the Ebay Auction Example I listed in that post should clearly indicate the coax to be RG-223. Great and thanks for catching the typo. cheers, s. Adam T. Cately [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 04:50 PM 5/11/08 -, you wrote:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Wacom Duplexer Desense Problem - Mystery

2008-05-12 Thread skipp025
Yeah but folks should also keep in mind the problem source doesn't have to be specific to the duplexer coax harness. The mentioned last LMR-400 grunge generator was a section of cable from the circulator to the duplexer tx port. s. Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: s A number ask

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread John Transue
Thanks to all who have responded to my control-receiver question and my through-the-cabinet question. This includes at least Laryn, Ron, Bob, Adam, Paul, and Al. I think I know how to proceed now. I'll start looking for the proper connectors and cables. Thanks again, John AF4PD

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread Rich Summers
Yes I could but, I would need some sort of indicator light to let the person know that the board had been enabled. Rich --- n9wys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Couldn't you use a toggle/push-button switch if it was momentary (spring-loaded)? (i.e. push-on, push-off) Mark - N9WYS

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Wayne
While that might work okay, here they have frequencies close to the repeater RX frequencies I might use marked as one way links or repeater inputs. My thought would be using a diplexer of some kind. Of course, I also thought of a diplexer to use the antenna for a low level 2 meter

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread n9wys
There must be some point on the device that will show power when enabled? Maybe pick off that point and either attach an LED, or maybe a relay connected to an LED... or maybe a DPDT switch, one side connected for your indicator. Just thinking out loud. Mark - N9WYS -Original Message-

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplex coax types

2008-05-12 Thread Mark
I'm a fan of the andrew 1/4 inch superflex. You can terminate them with standard PL259, using the UG176 reducer meant for use with rg59, soldering the shield at the top only. I've not swept them but feel sure they would be sufficient for any frequency you would feel comfortable using a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Rich, Now you are talking about some power for the light. Best use an LED that draws low current, 5 ma. Not knowing what you are connecting to, it might have enough current to drive the LED. Are you simply grounding an input, appling power to an input, etc. Do you have details of what

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Wayne, If your repeater situation is like most, antenna not on 5000 ft mountain, a repeater 165 miles away would not be a problem for you. The users of it would be the interferring parties, but at 165 miles don't think a problem. I would simply chose a freq 25 kHz away for the control

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Paul Plack
Ron, I don't think anyone was proposing putting the control RX 12.5 kHz away. I think the intent was not .5 channel away, but at least 1.5 channels away, or 37.5 kHz. Some sensitivity could be lost, and there may be a little desense moving off the transmitter side's notch, but may be workable

[Repeater-Builder] TAPR Spring 2008 PSR Journal Available

2008-05-12 Thread Mark Thompson
TAPR Spring 2008 PSR Journal  ftp://ftp.tapr.org/psr/psr105.pdf D-STAR Digital Voice Sensitivity vs. Analog FM Sensitivity article on pages 4 - 5 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread John J. Riddell
Hey Ron,How about setting your Font back to at least 10 for all the senior citizens who like to read your stuff :-)) 73 John VE3AMZ - Original Message - From: Ron Wright To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:34 AM Subject: RE:

[Repeater-Builder] Power Supply Caps for Motorola R-1200 Service Monitor

2008-05-12 Thread Bob
I've exhausted the usual suspects (DigiKey, Mouser, Newark, etc.), so I'm turning to the world-wide bank of experts here for advice. I'm refurbishing my service monitor and need to replace one of the power supply electrolytics that squirted...actually, I'd like to replace all four, but I'm having

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Good idea, my provider gave me a new brouser or format and think things got changed. I'll look into this, but I really don't like messing with the Gates junk, but guess sometimes one has to, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 06:34 AM 05/12/08, you wrote: I would recommend not using a 12.5 kHz spacing freq in this case of a control receiever, a receiver that is only 12.5 kHz away from your regular repeater input. With typical good FM analog receivers these would both have overlapping passbands and an input

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Hey ole man...how is this??? :) Also it is putting my sig just after my reply instead of at the end. 73, ron, n9ee/r On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM, John J. Riddell wrote:  Hey Ron,How about setting your Font back to at least 10 for all the senior citizens who like to read

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Denies Petition to Utilize 2m Sub-Band for Digita

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright wrote: Nate, I should have said a repeater radio cost over $1000, but then again I thought the discussion was about repeaters on D-Star. Yeah, I knew you were probably talking about the repeaters, especially here, but folks do lurk and could have gotten the incorrect impression

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Ron Wright
Paul, Yes, going 37.5 kHz would be good and probably better than 25 and definitly better than 12.5. 73, ron, n9ee/r Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Paul Plack wrote: 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Adding Control Receiver without Separate Antenna

2008-05-12 Thread Nate Duehr
Ron Wright wrote: Hey ole man...how is this??? :) Also it is putting my sig just after my reply instead of at the end. 73, ron, n9ee/r For those having font issues... in most mail readers and browsers, holding down CTRL and pressing the + key on the numerical keypad, will take care of

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Duplex coax types

2008-05-12 Thread n9wys
FSJ1-50A works with N-type connectors, too. IF you get ones that fit the larger center conductor. Mark - N9WYS From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mark I'm a fan of the andrew 1/4 inch superflex. You can terminate them with standard PL259, using the UG176 reducer

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Need some help

2008-05-12 Thread Rich Summers
Ron...There will be 2 wires from the board 1 will be ground and the other will be the one that has to momentarily connect to the ground to enable the board. The led can be powered by any source that I will supply. Rich --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rich, Now you are talking

[Repeater-Builder] Times Microwave RT142 Cable - UPDATED

2008-05-12 Thread Eric Lemmon
Wayne, My contact at Times Microwave Systems advised me that RT-142 is a triaxial cable in their REMIT specialty product line. The name refers to Reduced Electro Magnetic Interference. Although Times does claim that RT-142 is manufactured in accordance with the material requirements of MIL-C-17

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Times Microwave RT142 Cable - UPDATED

2008-05-12 Thread Tony Lelieveld
Wayne, That's interesting. I have some Times Microwave Systems cable that looks exactly like RG223. The numbers on the cable state 68999 AA-8338. I contacted TMS and got the following information. The 68999 is a Code Identification number the AA-8338 is the drawing number. The following