Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Milt
Chuck, your experience parallels what many users in Pennsylvania have experienced. The only difference here is that the state continues to throw money at a dead animal believing that it can be made to stand. The general opinion here is that in very strong signal conditions (like in the lab)

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread wd8chl
The problem with both systems (and is also a problem with Ohio MARCS, which is Motorola Smartnet w/P25 audio, and MI too), is that they were designed and spec'd BY THE GOV'T to provide mobile coverage, not handheld coverage, and they are trying to use it with mostly handhelds. Also it was only

[Repeater-Builder] FS: ACC ITC-32 Intelligent Controller with V1.31 Firmware

2009-04-08 Thread Jim Kvochick
Spring cleaning often causes you to stumble into surprises. I found an ITC-32 Intelligent Controller from ACC, with Version 1.31 firmware. Adding a personality EPROM makes this unit a great little repeater or remote base controller. I have the manual and board, and will send it to you in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Yes. I experienced both good and bad. When it works, it works great. When it doesn't, it's simply not there. The network experienced a lot of down time, lots of equipment failures, programming problems that were unresolved and then there were the more traditional coverage issues. These are all

Re: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Chuck Kelsey
While this may be true in many instances, the New York State system was intended to accommodate a huge number of users. I read the engineering results several months ago (so some of the detail has already become a bit faded in the old brain), and lack of coverage was a minor issue in the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Maire-Radios
At one time we were a Maxon dealer and the software we got from Maxon would not work into the GE radio's but the GE radio's were made for them by Maxon. There was talk of a software that could be mod to work but never seen it. John - Original Message - From: Mark To:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Maire-Radios
also the plug you show for the computer goes to the serial port. you may need to get a 25 pin to 9 pin but it is NOT a parallel hook up. - Original Message - From: Mark To: g...@yahoogroups.com ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ; ge-...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
OK, thanks - the GE software we now have requires the parallel port, so it appears that we either need to rewire the plug (and/or use a gender bender) or get the GE cable. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Maire-Radios also the plug you show for the computer goes to the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Maire-Radios
never had any Maxon program cables that used a parallel port. - Original Message - From: Mark To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:42 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up OK, thanks - the GE software we now

[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000

2009-04-08 Thread WA7ZZT
Anybody have a for parts MSF 5000 - 900Mhz radio ? I am looking for a receiver injection filter Part # TTF 6205A Dennis - WA7ZZT

Re: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Thomas Oliver
What he said. To use the cable you have you would have to have a 25pin serial port on your computer or an adapter to adapt the cable to your 9 pin port. I was fairly successful at programing a GE Monogram with Maxon software but it was a long time ago so I don't recall if there were any

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
Chuck / Jim, Chuck, your last paragraph says it all. THAT'S the bottom line on all of these new P25/digital voice systems - they are not ready for prime time. Public Safety radio requires a level of reliability that I don't think ANY vendor has been able to meet with P25 technology.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
You are correct. We now have copies of BOTH the Maxon software AND the GE software. The GE software requires the parallel port. From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Maire-Radios Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 10:50 AM To:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: IDA Model 40-10 Interconnect

2009-04-08 Thread Patrick Patterson
Thanks! John Any Help is greatly appreciated Thanks from me and the South Texas Amateur Repeater Society --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, John J Maurer johnjmau...@... wrote: Patrick, I believe I should have a manual in my stash, from a 40-10 long ago obliterated by lightning.

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
If it's either there or its not is supposedly a problem, you'll never see that go away in digital comms. You can bit-stuff FEC codes by the metric truckload into a signal all day long, but at some point, it just falls out. That's digital. Period. Anyone surprised by this must not be paying

[Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Lee Pennington
=== THIS IS ABSOLUTLY REDICULOUS! Subject: California County Taking Actions To Silence ALL Ham Activity From: www radiobanter com San Luis Obispocounty supervisors took drastic and unprecedented

[Repeater-Builder] Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-08 Thread Daron Wilson
Is this document still around and what's the most economical way to acquire it? Thanks, Daron

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread STeve Andre'
On Wednesday 08 April 2009 16:38:13 Lee Pennington wrote: === THIS IS ABSOLUTLY REDICULOUS! Of course it is. So was The War of the Worlds. --STeve Andre' wb8wsfen82

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Thomas Oliver
April Fools Day was last week. tom - Original Message - From: Lee Pennington To: Sent: 4/8/2009 4:38:48 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus === THIS IS ABSOLUTLY REDICULOUS!

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Barry
From: localjunkpedd...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:38:13 -0400 Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus Well I cant see it lasting past an appeal _ Looking to change your car

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Chris Curtis
What's a ham radio? Chris Kb0wlf From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lee Pennington Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 3:38 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus === THIS IS

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Jacob Suter
The serious question is… does the county have the legal right to prohibit such operations? Radio transmissions are federal jurisdiction only, at least from every document I can quickly Google up. How many ham radio operators actually transmit more than 3 hours/day on shortwave? JS

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Jacob Suter
I agree entirely on the RF part of your article. But. Digital modes somehow eliminate feedback? Echo cancelation exists but a great deal of the time it fails miserably. You end up with voice-frequency delayed retransmission in the audio which IMHO is harder to understand 'through' than

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Paul Plack
Lee, I'm guessing it was also first posted on April 1st. Hard to tell, as it has since apparently been removed from radiobanter.com. I'll try and confirm the story with Dr. Subrahaminayalakshminirayana. (Yeah, right!) ;^) 73, Paul, AE4KR - Original Message - From: Lee

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus (HOAX)

2009-04-08 Thread Brian Raker
Apparently this was posted to rec.radio.amateur.homebrew on 1 April 2009 citing a source of the Los Angeles Press-Telegram. After asking my press contact in LA, he said there is no such outlet by the name of Los Angeles Press-Telegram. Google Newsgroups source:

[Repeater-Builder] VHF Decibel DB4058N-A Bandpass/Reject duplexer

2009-04-08 Thread Joe
I just acquired a VHF Decibel DB4058N-A Bandpass/Reject duplexer. The spec sheet says that this is good for a 2MHz split at 86dB isolation. Does anyone have experience with this duplexer? Can it go to 1MHz or less split between 147-148MHz with reasonable isolation for a low power repeater?

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus (HOAX)

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
From what I'm hearing there is at least one (if not more) investigations to locate the author of that piece. Several municipalities are rather upset after having been inundated with complaints and threats. If he is located he may have future legal problems. I hear that the Long Beach

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread k9dc
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Barry ate...@... wrote: Well I cant see it lasting past an appeal What? are you kidding?... Eliminate Ham Radio from California?... Think about it. How cool would that be! :) -k9dc

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread john felton
Well, if what this posting says is true, the folks involved must have moved down to SLO from Sebastopol, CA. - the Brain Free Zone. John KE5RI From: k9dc d...@dcg.us To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2009 3:42:28 PM Subject:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Mike Mullarkey
Where is the rest of the email thread so we can see where this idea came from. Mike Colorado Telecom, L.L.C Mike Mullarkey 6886 Sage Ave Firestone, Co 80504 303-954-9695 Home 303-954-9693 Home Office Fax 303-718-8052 Cellular _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

Re: [Repeater-Builder] VHF Decibel DB4058N-A Bandpass/Reject duplexer

2009-04-08 Thread Rick Szajkowski
I dont know about this duplexer but I would look to see if it does a 600kc split .. if its set up for a 2meg split at 86 dB .. then I would think you would get a lot less even if you could get it down that low .. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net wrote: I just

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread David Struebel
According to ARRL HQ it is an April Fool's joke Dave WB2FTX - Original Message - From: Lee Pennington Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 4:38 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus === THIS IS ABSOLUTLY

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Lemmon
Daron, The only legal way to acquire an R56 manual is to purchase it from Motorola Parts. It's available in two formats: Printed hard copy: 6881089E50, $85 plus a surcharge, or CD-ROM: 9880384V83, $63.75 plus a surcharge The R56 manual is an excellent and comprehensive guide for station

[Repeater-Builder] Micor SCM's

2009-04-08 Thread Lee Pennington
Excess to my needs; 2 Micor station control modules, R-B mods done...Ten bucks ea. shipped. Tnx. de Lee K4LJP 73 -- Smart pills are placebos, you can't fix stupid.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-08 Thread rahwayflynn
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon wb6...@... wrote: However, there are a few recommendations for equipment grounding that violate the National Electrical Code, and would be nixed by a competent electrical inspector. Eric, I have NFPA 70 and the R56 document: Do you have

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola R56 grounding

2009-04-08 Thread Eric Lemmon
Martin, Sure! The National Electrical Code (NEC) requires that the equipment grounding conductor (green or bare wire) must always follow the same route and wireway used by the supply and return conductors. There must never be any deviation from this basic requirement. The three wires (hot,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] (OT) APCO P25 horror stories anyone?

2009-04-08 Thread Nate Duehr
Hmm, I didn't say digital eliminated feedback. You have to go back to the original complaint (someone else) to understand my comments there. They said that at fire scenes and other places where loudspeakers are left on in emergency vehicles that digital sounds really bad when the speaker audio

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Richard
Some kind of weird sandwich? Richard www.n7tgb.net -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Curtis Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 2:31 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder]

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Richard
YEah, but it is something that would be expected from California. grin Richard http://www.n7tgb.net/ www.n7tgb.net _ From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Struebel Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:26 PM To:

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Yahoo
Maxon cables are serial and GE Monogram cables are parallel. Never had a problem programming a Monogram radio with a Maxon cable. Have never tried a computer faster than a PIII 1ghz machine. Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com

[Repeater-Builder] Dayton vendor spaces

2009-04-08 Thread no6b
For those of you planning to attend wanted to know who's selling where. Funny how this info isn't on the official Hamvention website. This web site says they got the info from hamvention.org, but I sure can't find it there. Bob NO6B To: hamvent...@yahoogroups.com From: joseph.dugay

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Monogram radios - follow-up

2009-04-08 Thread Mark
Jeff, the radio gods must smile upon you, then... as we've had nothing but problems. ;-p We CANNOT program a Monogram radio with the Maxon software, as said in the Wizard of Oz, Not no way, not no how! We can't even get the software to READ the radio correctly, much less program it. And we're

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread Barry
I have trouble believing you guys even consider it factual.. remember april one was a couple of days away To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com From: k7...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:58:32 -0600 Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ridiculus

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ridiculus

2009-04-08 Thread MCH
Absolutely not. No local, county, or state law/regulation/ordinance can override a Federal license. It's called Federal Preemption. Joe M. Jacob Suter wrote: The serious question is… does the county have the legal right to prohibit such operations?

[Repeater-Builder] Johnson 242-1000-001 Repeater

2009-04-08 Thread David Bowman
I am wanting to change the call sign. Can anyone tell me how you do that?