Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Frequency Change do I retune duplexer?

2008-06-30 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
No Skipp, deviation was not mentioned, but the frequency change is on the same magnitude as increasing transmitter deviation - a 12.5 khz shift in frequency. 73, Steve NU5D skipp025 wrote: Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I beg to differ on this one, most respectfully

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Frequency Change do I retune duplexer?

2008-06-30 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The pad is only used during testing to isolate mismatch between the signal generator and spectrum analyzer and the device under test - not to be left in permanently. At WACOM it was standard practice to use a 10 dB pad between the test equipment and the device under test. This is because it

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Who's fixing Service Monitors these days?

2008-06-14 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Ken did a nice rehab on my IFR500. http://www.kgelectronics.com/about.html Steve NU5D ka9qjg wrote: I really had Great Service from Bob at http://www.cardinalelec.com/ Fortunately it was only a Couple hour drive to drop it off and pick it up , This is where the Pros go for the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] isolator - circulator loss

2008-06-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Running 19 chs X 4 sites Simulcast / Voters - Already split antennas - 9 ch / 10 ch DB Spectra combiners - Still get around 37 watts after combining 100 watt station - The old DB CUBE was a little better on loss - would need another room for combining, though. Steve NU5D KF4TNP wrote:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Folded Diploles or Vertical antenna?

2008-06-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I beg to differ on the PEP vs Average in this instance. On an amplitude varying signal, PEP and AVERAGE are not the same (SSB or a complex amplitude modulating waveform). For FM, however, since FM has a constant amplitude signal, I believe PEP and Average will be the same. Once had a VHF

[Repeater-Builder] noise on exposed folded dipole arrays and fiberglass encased antennas - YES !

2008-05-31 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
A couple of observations: Same gain - same coverage. Fiberglass encased or exposed dipole - 5.8 dBd = 5.8 dBd - this is about the max you can expect from a 2M antenna before the law of diminishing returns kicks in. More Gain for BUCKS - look at a DB228 - 40 some odd ft long exposed

Re: [Repeater-Builder] P25 (mis)Information?

2008-05-29 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
On re-re-reading the post, I suspect the MA/COM salesman proposes just adding an analog trunked group to the system and calling that group talk-around. Just another group in the trunked system. Any group can be either Provoice (EDACS only) or P25 digital or Analog FM. To many folks in the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: P25 (mis)Information?

2008-05-29 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I believe there is more that just amplitude involved Dan. The vocoder coding algorithm handles sound patterns to (hopefully) improve intelligibility. I remember part of the selection of the IMBE vocoder dealt with voice inflection and the receiving station being able to discern subtleties in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr II white noise on transmit

2008-05-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
You could also turn the deviation pots - CG and Voice to min - not as solid as a ground on the input, but might help divide and conquer the noise source - I don't recall a M2 mobile making noise / hiss during TX. On a repeater station, a gate may be leaking causing some pass thru, but this

Re: [Repeater-Builder] mice at repeater sights

2008-05-23 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The Later Mastr Pro GE series base stations used a slanted heat sink for the 12.6 and 10 V pass regulators. The chassis formed the back, and there was a cover on the front making a conduit for forced air from the 4 inch muffin fan. Poor field mouse got into the slanted heat sink, lost his

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: mice and the trusty old GE Master Pro

2008-05-23 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Never fazed the Station - BTW, we are using some ultra sonic noise sources that plug into the AC outlets to deter rodents in our 911 center and some rural tx sites. Steve NU5D skipp025 wrote: Re: mice and the GE Master Pro What you didn't say was how the GE Master Pro in most typical

Re: [Repeater-Builder] IFR 1900 CSA

2008-05-10 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
One of the few boxes that goes 1296 and beyond. Don't know how much support you can get from AEROFLEX or Cardinal Electronics. Nice box - is more a cell site test unit than a service monitor. I have both an 8921, 1900, and 120B. The 8921 rides with me all the time. Steve NU5D cruizzer77

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT Dayton Hamvention Group OT

2008-04-19 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/hamvention/ MCH wrote: List NAME??? Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional *

Re: [Repeater-Builder] IFR 1600s

2008-04-07 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
My 1900 has similar Tracking Generator Resolution. Low Resolution = Fastest Sweep - may pass over some stuff that would be displayed in HI RES that is a much slower sweep. I would expect some difference in the trace. Best success, Steve Bosshard NU5D Joel wrote: Hello Group Hope

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE3

2008-04-07 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Seems like to OEM is Oven Air - I believe they are still in business. Steve NU5D n9wys wrote: If Tom needs a 5 MHz reference oscillator, they can be had for under $50 at www.alltronics.com... I picked one up to use as an HSO in an MSF5000

[Repeater-Builder] Angle Linear 3/31/08

2008-04-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I just received a note from Chip Angle that he will continue to provide preamps for the ham community. Filters and duplexers for amateur applications were taking a disproportionate amount of time and he is discontinuing that part of his business. 73, Steve NU5D

[Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12 vdc smoke

2008-03-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
this makes sense, Dave, 73, Steve NU5D Dave Gomberg wrote: At 09:56 3/25/2008, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: Anyhow, without a fuse, the reverse protection diode or transorb in the radio tries to short and shunt the reverse current from the radio. So you are saying it is in parallel

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc

2008-03-25 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I have installed land mobile stuff in Gov Surplus fire equipment, (right next to Fort Hood) and 24 volt Forestry Service and 24 V street sweeping equipment over the years. I will NOT install any equipment across one battery in a 24 V string. Take it somewhere else and let them do it. I

[Repeater-Builder] 24 vdc to 12vdc

2008-03-25 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Some of the earlier equipment with 24 volt power and tube radios did use a big ballast resistor. It did put out some heat. There was not that much difference in current draw between send and receive, so you might have 14 volts on receive and drop to 11 or so on send - with solid state the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 24 vdc to 12 vdc

2008-03-25 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
, the radio gets blown. Steve Dave Gomberg wrote: At 05:22 3/25/2008, Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: any protection diodes - 10 amp protection diode against 400 amp starter current - no contest. Steve, this confuses the dickens out of me. I now understand the reverse polarity part

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Ritron RRX450 Manual

2008-03-06 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I have the 454 but no RRX - might try http://www.ritron.com and see if they will sell a manual ? Steve NU5D Jack Hayes wrote: I'm still searching for a manual (of copy) for a Ritron Patriot RRX450 UHF programmable repeater. Happy to pay copying costs and postage -- or whatever you like.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Tricks Tips to get a VHF Mastr III on 2M..

2008-03-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
1 - Be sure it is working properly BEFORE you change anything. 2 - Program the new send and receive frequencies and adjust the VCO's if necessary. 3 - Align the receiver front end. An extender card really helps, but can be done without. I have tuned the front end looking at the IF out with a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Combination of Omni and Yagi antenna

2008-02-19 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Decibel Products called something similar a Keyhole Pattern array. (3 dB omni and 2, 3 ele yagis in VHF). Steve NU5D Camilo So wrote: Does any know is it possible to use two antenna with a matching line, I mean a G7 and a 12 element Yagi, on 220 MHZ, my G7 have a very good coverage in

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Astron RS-35M pass transistor Socket

2008-02-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Hi Vince, cannot help you with the socket - maybe Newark or Mouser, or such. I have seen folks actually solder to the leads on the pass transistor if all else fails. 73, Steve NU5D Vince Staffo wrote: My Astron RS-35M Power Supply has developed a problem with one of the sockets used for

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unknown board

2008-02-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Seems like the chips are switched capacitance audio filters - similar used in packet tone encoder / decoder. Don't have a clue. Steve jeffcarlyle wrote: Hi all, I posted 4 pics in the photo section of a board I got in a lot

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Unidentified Tone Board

2008-02-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
You can probably get the truth chart from a Maxon LMR or Selectone LMR service manual - The MXCOM chip was not uncommon for them - will take a peek in the morning. Steve NU5D Terry wrote: Can anyone ID this tone encoder board? IC is mx-com mx315 marked with FT303 6 dip switches DCS /

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Community Repeater War Stories

2008-02-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Amen on the LTR trunk. Worst problem was an electrical contractor and a materials hauler. The haul guy had instructions to report to base when he reached the gravel pits. This is unit 10, I am at the gravel pit, where do you want me to go from here? Poor gravel hauler's loudspeaker went

Re: [Repeater-Builder] 1272 Mhz Preamp

2008-01-18 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I have used many of the ARR preamps. They are great. They do not have a product in the 1200 Mhz band. Also I cannot find a cross band coupler other that a Diamond MX37 or possibly a Comet product. I was hoping some folks here tried something beside 2M and 70 CM. Thanks for your reply,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] feedline advice

2007-12-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Ditto on the super flex - or 1/2 heliax. de nu5d Jay Urish wrote: Just go get some 1/2 suplerflex and call it good. Willis M. Hagler wrote: Hello All, I am putting up a UHF repeater in Seattle and have a question regarding feedline losses. The repeater site is on top of a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Matching a 75 ohm antenna

2007-12-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I had some very nice 3/4 catv 75 ohm line some years ago. It was foam dielectric with a jelly filled outer jacket - nice stuff. I took a hack saw and split the outer shield kind of like peeling a banana, then cleaned out the dielectric, and took a small hammer and drove a PL258 over the center

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Sinclair Q202G duplexer Conversion

2007-12-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
When I moved some 155 mhz duplexers to 146 I found adding a type n elbow in places where I could not get the notch to move made just enough difference. This adds about an inch without having to rebuild the harness, or else a nice way to test cable lengths. Also if adding the elbow makes things

Re: [Repeater-Builder] RF Guys Chip Programmer problem

2007-12-14 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Which radio and which chip - Xicor 2212 and 9346 are pretty simple. Others are not as common. Steve NU5D PS - 2212 is a parallel eeprom and 9346 is a serial eeprom. Neither has links to burn. 2764s ? are different. steve w4wsm wrote: Just got a programmer to burn GE chips. I've tried it

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron model 48 controller

2007-12-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
http://www.zetron.com/data/site/templates/zetrontemplate.asp?area_0=pages/menus/privateradioprodarea_1=pages/products/privateradio/m48-max http://tinyurl.com/yva5pd R.Wesley Bazell Jr wrote: Picked up this Model at fort Wayne Hamfest for my MastrII 440 Repeater. Have been using Software

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: AM interference on long cable run

2007-11-23 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Both ends need an isolation transformer and both send and receive audio. Also if there is a high Z circuit, you may try adding a 1K or so shunt resistor to lower the impedance of the circuit. I would experiment with grounding only one end of the cable at first. Of course this is moot with the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] AM interference on long cable run (was PSE-508-2 Repeater Controller for Mastr II Station)

2007-11-21 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I have had good luck with k-comm line filters. First would try 0.001 mf line to line and line to ground - on the audio pairs - be sure you are using balanced pairs and not grounded single ended lines. This may mean adding a 600 ohm 1:1 transformer at each end. Also 1/4w 100 ohm resistors and

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Ailing Wacom 220Mhz Duplexer

2007-11-21 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
See if the screw in side connecting pin on the TEE is loose - glad you found it. I have had a type N tee with a loose connection where the side pin screws into the other pin. sb Keith, KB7M wrote: Just an update on the status of this project. I thought what I've found might be

Re: [Repeater-Builder] A couple of questions

2007-11-19 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Be very sure the repeater is working properly BEFORE you re-crystal and re-tune. This is probably old hat for you, but I have seen many problems in recrystalling an unknown status station. Steve NU5D Ron Wright wrote: Joe, I order a number of crystals each month and use Bomar. I also like

[Repeater-Builder] Wide Area Coverage

2007-11-18 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Imagine your 2M or 70CM base station were on a tall, tall, tower and you can key and operate any one of 140 different repeaters world wide, no noise, static, etc. Thats DSTAR today. From Hawaii to Alaska, to Vancouver to Ottawa, to Los Angeles, to London, to Berlin to Venice, to Darwin, AU.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 info

2007-11-06 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
http://www.batlabs.com/models.html Jim wrote: Ron Wright, Skywarn Coodinator wrote: hi all, Anyone know details of a MSR2000 with part number C73GSB-3145B. -- /Subscribe to dstar_digital/ Powered by groups.yahoo.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Installation of Radio Equipment in Elevator Machine Rooms and Hoistways

2007-11-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
In Texas the JCAH (Joint Commission on Accreditation of Hospitals) guidelines forbids installation and operation of radio transmitting equipment in hospital elevator equipment rooms. Both Scott and White and Kings Daughters Hospitals had us re-locate all of their radio equipment in the early

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciev

2007-10-25 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Even magnetic amplifiers and tunnel diodes.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 10/24/2007 19:26, you wrote: I would consider anything that uses a semi-condutor material to be active, Silicon and Germanium transistors included. According to Wikipedia, a passive device is a device

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and receiver noise bud

2007-10-25 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Can't an isolator do both, provide a constant 50 Ohm load to the transmitter, and offer 30 (single junction) to 60 (dual junction) of isolation from signals travelling from the antenna to the transmitter for mixing. If isolators were just to provide a constant load, why are there dual

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: duplexer isolation and reciever n

2007-10-23 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Wonder if any of these here diodes 'tunnel' ? Steve NU5D Jeff DePolo wrote:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] duplexer isolation and reciever noise budget

2007-10-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
If this is going mobile on a 40 ft crank up I would sure consider separate antennas is possible. You can get into some real challenges, and even with separate antennas you will still have issues to consider. Also you will have a much better idea when the repeater pair is determined. Steve NU5D

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Duplexer and noise question

2007-10-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
If it works into a dummy load without desense you either have a feedline/antenna problem or external noise and most likely not the duplexer - be sure and use an isolated TEE and sig gen with a dummy load to test. Steve NU5D jminn699 wrote: -I am having the same problem also with a wacom

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Overlapping Coverage

2007-09-30 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The idea with simulcast is to keep the non capture area as small as possible. Typically the capture area is that where the dominant transmitter has a 10 dB or greater advantage. In capture areas subscribers hear only one signal A good test is to broadcast different audible tones from each site

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New Article: Mastr II self quieting

2007-09-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Once upon a time in the early 80s I worked on an Army Mars repeater that self quieted. Transmitter on 143.990 and received on 148.01. Seems like the transmitter used a X12 multiplier, and the receiver had a 12 mHz. IF. Took lots of screen wire and feed thru capacitors to make that puppy

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spectral Power

2007-09-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I once heard of a term called Gain Bandwidth Product where the greater the bandwidth - lower the gain. FM commercial broadcast uses extremely wide bandwidth to support 15 Khz audio and good s/n. Business once used +/- 15 kHz transmitter deviation to support 300 to 3000 Hz, then +/- 5 kHz,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-09-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
A transmitter may have broadband noise with considerable noise content at the receive frequency. The notch in the transmit side removes transmitter noise that may impair your receiver's capability. In an earlier post there was mention of a solid state transmitter. Traditionally tube

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-09-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Time for an isolated TEE test with a dummy load. Why did you have the duplexers tuned ? Was there a problem prior? You should be able to split the duplexer without any trouble - just mark things so you can go back as it was. Best luck and 73, Steve NU5D [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-09-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Decibel did make a 6 cavity notch duplexer - 4 full sized cavities - that would work nicely on a 110 Watt M2 station @ 600 kHz. Isolated TEE test into a dummy load - how bad is the receiver desense ? If you don't have some test equipment - signal gen, dummy load, and a TEE fitting with the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: NFCC votes to recommend FCC treat all repeaters as repeaters

2007-09-23 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
My DSTAR repeater has 3 inputs, and 3 outputs. In 70 cm it transmits on 442.000 and receives on 447.000. On 23 cm it transmits on 1292.1000 and receives on 1272.1000, and the high speed simplex data port operates on 1253.. Since like many programmable repeaters, I am not locked into a 5

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Simulcast questions

2007-09-22 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
That would be Ed O'Conner at Simulcast Solutions http://www.simulcastsolutions.com/ Steve NU5D Brian Gieryk wrote: I am looking to set up a simulcast tx with voted rx system on VHF hi band (2 meters) using 3 MSF-5000 digital capable stations, with spectra tac rx'ers.

[Repeater-Builder] Making room for the new guy - repeater coordination - Hope this is not too off topic...

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Illegal is Illegal period. Look at what there is to gain by promoting digital repeater technologies - more spectrum - less interference - better range and better quality communications - no pots to adjust on your repeater - 1s and 0s We have it within reach to re-farm present spectrum for a

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Making room for the new guy - repeater coordination - Hope this is not too off topic...

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Hi Glenn, If old Joe's repeater were usable and folks were making use of it by all means leave it alone. Poor old Joe's repeater is not working so well with a bad antenna, and it only has 2 folks that make contact for a couple of minutes a day. The folks wanting the digital repeater could

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Making room for the new guy - repeater coordination - Hope this is not too off topic...

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you'll find in most areas where the repeater frequencies are Full, that there are more repeaters to talk on than there are people to actually talk on them. And we need more repeaters? My point exactly, Larry - is ham radio best served by more repeaters

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Making room for the new guy - repeater coordination - Hope this is not too o

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
wb6ymh wrote: Technical question: Does a DSTAR radio automatically switch between analog and digital? i.e. can the DSTAR user hear the analog activity when his radio is in DStar mode so he can share the frequency? Sharing between digital and analog was tried back in the packet days... to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Making room - testing DSTAR

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I take care of a pretty large EDACS system. There is a simulator built into my COM120B just for EDACS and LTR - even decodes pocsag paging. This is never used in setting up the base station/repeaters. The procedure uses simple deviation and receiver tests. Same with subscriber units - most

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Making room - testing DSTAR

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
No flames here, Mark, Maybe we should have stuck with straight keys - those bugs might obscure transmissions - maybe a 10 wpm speed limit. But no, folks added microphones and heising coils. Next thing the cans went to the sideline and there were loudspeakers, then Central Electronics with

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Slick Identifier

2007-09-20 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Hutton no longer carries Comspec. I just ordered 3 ID8s yesterday. My account from 1985 was still good. Steve NU5D I wonder if I should have purchased one of the micro repeater controllers, though - get ID plus controllersb Mike Morris wrote: At 09:13 AM 09/20/07, you wrote: Milt I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 5793

2007-09-18 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Your local NOAA Weather station is a good test transmitter for frequency and peak deviation.. Steve NU5D JOHN MACKEY wrote: If your service monitor showed 13 to 15 KHz deviation from 3 different digipeaters in this area, something is definately wrong. The radios those digipeaters are

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Digest Number 5793

2007-09-18 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I am surprised. That has not been the case in the Temple/Waco Texas area. Steve Ken Arck wrote: At 04:29 PM 9/18/2007, you wrote: Your local NOAA Weather station is a good test transmitter for frequency and peak deviation.. Steve NU5D ---I disagree. I have seen MANY NOAA WX

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr III

2007-09-17 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
try launching the program Mastr.exe /M3 and see if that does the trick. Steve NU5D Tina wrote: I recently purchased a Mastr III repeater and the person i bought it from said he would include the software. Well, after over a month I finally got the software and it's for a Mastr IIe (from

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Any seen these?

2007-09-15 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Joe Tryzenski from Aerotron was the sales mgr - they were based in Raleigh NC - their claim to fame was a fiber optic control cable - the things would have some kind of malfunction in the control head - massive overheat - nice radio but poor reliability. User programmable. Had 2 units VHF -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] D-Star systems as auxiliary stations?

2007-09-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The first concept of D-STAR that I saw used 10 Ghz for the point to point connections between sites. Internet is cheaper and we are hams. Some time back I said if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it just may be a duck. I believe DSTAR is a repeater. I also

Re: [Repeater-Builder] D-Star systems as auxiliary stations? - Delay

2007-09-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Wonder how much of the delay is inherent in the subscriber units, and how much is attributed to the repeater ? Measure response on simplex, then through a repeater, unless of course, these ducks aren't repeaters, then it won't matter. Coffee time, Steve NU5D /K5CTX B, Temple, Texas Jamey

Re: [Repeater-Builder] D-Star systems as auxiliary stations?

2007-09-05 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Except for the Simplex High Speed Data, (128K on 1250 Mhz) the i/o uses an offset on DSTAR. 1292 uses either 12/20 Mhz. 440 in Temple uses 5 Mhz, and 2M uses whatever they can get. Look at the list of repeaters on www.dstarusers.org for more details. There is a delay caused by coding the

[Repeater-Builder] More efficient use of spectrum.

2007-09-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The full D-Star stack of VHF, UHF, and 1.2 GHz all at the same physical SITE is a waste of spectrum, and should be avoided also. Nate Duehr There are around 14 DSTAR users in Temple, Texas, and our neighbors in Waco and Austin are moving forward with their own systems as well. The 'full

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Frequency coordinator authority (was Re: subaudibe tones..)

2007-09-04 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Nate Duehr wrote: But... I'll point out that even the Icom VHF/UHF D-Star systems are just mobiles in a box... which anyone who has worked on a properly engineered repeater knows... SUCKS -- on many levels. They are $1500 mobiles in a box. Not $6000 M3 or the like. Maybe not a good

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ltr repeater system

2007-08-29 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I think I have had enough ESAS for one natural lifetime. Actually, except for the remote computers locking up, and loosing track of circuit index, the stuff actually worked pretty well. Had it roaming, multisite dispatch, etc. Used Multitech VOIP equipment to tie sites together and remote print

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: subaudibe tones..

2007-08-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
If you S1 is like mine Chuck, do you remember the low battery alert - the user could not hear it, but everyone else could ? steve - former S1 owner. Chuck Kelsey wrote: Yep. That's what I did, added a ComSpec encoder to my 4AT. My Tempo S1 has the added encode with DIP switch. Both radios

[Repeater-Builder] LTR Rocks !

2007-08-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Kinda off track for a Ham repeater group, but been there done that. Mine was due to loss of 800 SMR channels when they were easy to come by, then later impossible to get due to freezes. Exclusivity. You need at least one repeater that has exclusive use in a service area because LTR uses

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ltr repeater system

2007-08-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
An LTR mobile will try and access the repeater - short data transmissions, even if the base repeater's transmitter is inhibited. Some of the older stuff had to hear the data word from the repeater first in order to transmit, but newer radios, though they cannot handshake with a dead repeater,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LTR Rocks !

2007-08-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
. De-Centralized trunking lets mobile units decide when to transmit. LTR does not have a provision for the mobile radios not to transmit on a busy channel. In centralized trunking, the site orchestrates mobile transmissions. But I may be wrong, Steve NU5D Jim wrote: Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ltr repeater system

2007-08-28 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I have 14 channels at 3 sites running Johnson VX on 800 - they tell me the VX logic was developed by Trident. In 460 Waco is a 4 channel Uniden Esas, Temple is a 5 channel Uniden ESAS, and Killeen is 5 channel ESAS, Killeen and Temple were originally a mix of Ida RLC's and Zetron 42's - the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Duplexers

2007-08-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Generally the duplexer only makes a slight contribution to the reflected power. How doe the reflected power between the transmitter and antenna, without the duplexer in line look? Steve NU5D dallasreact112 wrote: Anyone one know what to expect SWR wise with a duplexer? I have a DB products 2

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cushman CE-5

2007-08-03 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Saw this on eham.net 2007-07-14 *KD0YX http://www.eham.net/user/profile/KD0YX* Test Equipment *FS: About 20 Cushman Plug Mods $50 Ea http://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/235720* I have a large selection of about 20 Cushman Plug in Modules. I know they will work fine

[Repeater-Builder] TNC Carrier Detect, DCD

2007-08-03 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Best I recall there was a choice between hardwiring COR to the TNC or using internal Data Carrier Detect for the TNC to recognize activity on the radio channel. This was an input signal from the radio to the TNC. Way back whenSteve NU5D Nate Duehr wrote: Nate Bargmann wrote: *

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Your old work bench - shop pictures are on ebay!

2007-08-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Ever run a 6V Carter on 12 V - gets kinda broad on the output. Steve NU5D Beats a Mallory 1701 hands down. Paul Finch wrote: How about a Dynamotor? Worked on, talked on 100’s back when I first started in two way business. Course they had a vibrator in them also for the receiver. Still

Re: [Repeater-Builder] non-silver RG-214 was Lloyd is Well was Cable Lengths

2007-07-30 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Do I need to call Lloyd again?? Steve NU5D Bob Dengler wrote: At 7/30/2007 02:21 PM, you wrote: Bob That doesn't square with the large body of repeater owners who have used Wacom cavities. Their UHF products used RG-142. However, their VHF

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Rohn 25g Tower

2007-07-29 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I tried something a little different in fastening a house bracket. I took 2, 4 Ft lengths of 3/8 all thread rod. I welded one end of each all thread to 1/2 of a 5 X 7 X 1/4 steel purlin clip. A purlin clip is a flat soft steel plate used to join 2 red iron steel purlins. After welding, the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between added cavity and duplexer

2007-07-27 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
W5AC at Texas AM has a 2M repeater on 146.820 co-located with an 800 Mhz PST. The 146.820 transmitter mixes with one of the 800 mhz transmitters and has a direct hit on 146.220. They use split channel guard tones because if in and out tone were the same, the transmitter mix would open the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Lloyd is Well was Cable Lengths

2007-07-27 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The question was a band pass filter between a receiver and a duplexer. First thing Lloyd said was lengths between cavities and the output TEE, comprising a duplexer are extremely critical. The original post cited a working system with interference, hence a band pass filter between the receiver

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Coax length between added cavity and duplexer

2007-07-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Lots of times those BpBr cans will pass stuff not too far from the desired pass freq - A 2 loop BP cavity could very well help with receiver overload from a 155 Mhz signal - a simple test would be to hook a receiver to the REC port of the duplexer and see how strong the 155 Mhz signal is. As

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr III - Anybody using one?

2007-07-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Whilst I have my GE books out, was anyone needing any info on the M3 or M2e - lemme know - Steve NU5D Jim wrote: Jamey Wright wrote: Based on the year you specified, it was probably Mastr II or Mastr IIE although it could be Mastr III. I'm not sure when the Mastr III were introduced.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between added cavity and duplexer

2007-07-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
You could always try and scrap the front end from a thrashed M2 mobile - kinda lossy but can be used as a preselector - Also even a 3 dB. attenuator might help against overload at the cost of 3dB. in RX sen. Out of curiosity, what kind of repeater are you using? Probably said in an earlier

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Mastr III - Anybody using one?

2007-07-26 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
http://www.bosshardradio.com/m3 discg.doc You have to send this file to the repeater after you program the other info, and resend it every time you reprogram the repeater. Steve The Zetron file shows how to wire a Zetron Community Repeater Panel (or any other outboard controller - not

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MASTR IIe dozing off

2007-07-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Be sure the control line is terminated. I have seen m3's get repeat disable from voice on the control line (even if remote control is not used). Vexing problem. Steve NU5D - BTW that tip came from Pete Lascelle at GE, or EGE, or Comnet, or MA/COM now days... Vincent Caruso wrote: Is it out of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Mastr III - Anybody using one?

2007-07-24 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Bought new around 1991 - lost one driver module in the PA - use internal CWID/hang time, timeout timer, etc - Have outboard dtmf decoder tied to a 440 receiver to turn off the repeater, otherwise everything stock from GE - we do have a doug hall voter wired in using the local receiver plus 3

Re: [Repeater-Builder] looking for parts

2007-07-13 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Wacom built their duplexers from aluminum irrigation pipe, seems like they used several heavy metals in the electroplating process (outside company). I remember when the EPA shut down the electroplating company - dumping chemicals into the Brazos River - Wacom had to send their goods to Fort

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crystal/channel element compensation..

2007-07-12 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I was thinking most every radio used a crystal (TCXO) as the reference from which everything else frequency wise is derived. One really stable oscillator vs many oscillators. Steve NU5D MCH wrote: Regardless of how many modern radios use temperature stabilization, that does nothing to

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dual repeater antennas..?

2007-07-12 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Sounds like you have the makings of a db 228 if you add the proper harness. Else maybe run the repeater on one antenna, and used the second antenna with proper cavity filtering as a diversity (term loosely used) receive antenna. Steve NU5D s3hampton wrote: I presently have a DB-224E as my

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: crystal/channel element compensation..

2007-07-12 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Just remembered another plus for rock bound equipment - used to be lower power consumption (before mosfet technology) because it took less power to run a xtal osc than to run a synthesizer plus a crystal reference oscillator. Don't know if power consumption is true today, though. Steve NU5D

Re: [Repeater-Builder] D-Star

2007-07-09 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Thanks Ron - 73, Steve NU5D Ron Wright wrote: Steve, The link to the D-Star you gave is an e-mail address. Is the new group a yahoo group in the form of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstar_digital This is the normal format for a yahoo group page. 73, ron, n9ee/r -- Ham Radio

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Acronyms-a little OT

2007-07-07 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The General Electric MCD (Mobile Communications Division) was big on TLAs (Three letter Acronyms). I always hoped there would be an LBI (Lynchburg Book of Instruction) outlining TLAs. We have GETC's, MOM PC,s IEA computers, CSD computers, The MOM looks at CIC's the TRIM, VMIMs, and AIC's as well

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hello...

2007-07-03 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
Howdy Lou, FB on wanting to put up a repeater. First step would be to see what demand/need for a repeater might be? Is there already a repeater serving the area and folks want to split off, or is this an unserved area, and folks who cannot operate simplex needing a repeater? For me that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time?

2007-07-02 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
The DCS turn off code is 132 hz. So, 131.8 hz ctcss and dcs could be a problem. Otherwise we ran dcs with paging tones because tone coded squelch and paging tones do have issues. I would think the two would be OK, but where are you going to find a radio to encode tone and dcs at the same

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time?

2007-07-02 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
, the TOC could false a 131.8 Hz decoder, but not while the person is transmitting. Joe M. Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: The DCS turn off code is 132 hz. So, 131.8 hz ctcss and dcs could be a problem.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time?

2007-07-02 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
I just left a 911 Med Dispatch Center - I am pretty sure a kerchunk every time another user keyed their radio and the TOC falsed their 131.8 PL would be a major issue. But, if you want to run 131.8 PL on the same channel with DPL and a turn off code kerchunking the radio every time they let

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Cable formula

2007-07-01 Thread Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D)
ever want to do that? Unless you like destroying isolators. :) 73 Gary K4FMX -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve S. Bosshard (NU5D) Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:52 PM To: Repeater-Builder

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