Re: Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-31 Thread Ron Wright
: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph, I am sure the equation is Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet) not Distance (in miles) = Square Root (height

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-31 Thread Jim
Ralph Mowery wrote: Then my refferance (ARRL Antenna Book 1974 version page 11) must be wrong. Gee-that would be a surprise...NOT! BTW, I've been meaning to put this up for a long time: anyone want a 2006 ARRL Antenna book, still in the wrapper? At least I think it's '06...no older then

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-31 Thread Nate Duehr
Eric Lemmon wrote: Fred, et al: The General Electric Datafile Bulletin 10003-1 is available for download here: www.repeater-builder.com/ge/datafile-bulletin/df-10003-01.pdf These two files are also needed to perform the calculations:

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-31 Thread Nate Duehr
Jim wrote: Ralph Mowery wrote: Then my refferance (ARRL Antenna Book 1974 version page 11) must be wrong. Gee-that would be a surprise...NOT! BTW, I've been meaning to put this up for a long time: anyone want a 2006 ARRL Antenna book, still in the wrapper? At least I think it's

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread ldgelectronics
As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet). Power and frequency do not really play that much into it. This has been mentioned in many stories of a repeater running just on the exciter and not many noticed. Once you get past the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread MCH
Height = elevation AMSL of the antenna, HAAT, or AGL (which would make no sense)? Joe M. ldgelectronics wrote: As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet).

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:35 AM, ldgelectronics wrote: As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet). It's a rule of thumb, but isn't nearly as accurate as doing the real engineering on a system. Power and frequency do not

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Nate Duehr
On Aug 30, 2007, at 1:20 AM, MCH wrote: Height = elevation AMSL of the antenna, HAAT, or AGL (which would make no sense)? I assumed HAAT for my calculations and that number seemed to be the most sane, after trying a few. But I think the resulting number is generous for a badly-built

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Fred Seamans
for! This Data File may be available on line, I am not sure if it is. Fred W5VAY - Original Message - From: ldgelectronics To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 1:35 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available As a quick

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Ron Wright
Range : Estimate Program Available On Aug 30, 2007, at 1:20 AM, MCH wrote: Height = elevation AMSL of the antenna, HAAT, or AGL (which would make no sense)? I assumed HAAT for my calculations and that number seemed to be the most sane, after trying a few. But I think

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Ron Wright
On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:35 AM, ldgelectronics wrote: As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet). This equation is ok, but for a perfect spheer. Is a good place to start. Here in FL where max altitude is

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread ldgelectronics
As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon (RH) is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet). This equation is ok, but for a perfect spheer. Is a good place to start. Here in FL where max altitude is about 330 ft ASL it works pretty well although the lower the

Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:35 AM, ldgelectronics wrote: As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet). This equation is ok, but for a perfect spheer. Is a

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Ron Wright
-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available --- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 30, 2007, at 12:35 AM, ldgelectronics wrote: As a quick and dirty method, the radio horizon is: Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2

Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Ralph Mowery
--- Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ralph, I am sure the equation is Distance (in miles) = Square Root of (2 * height in feet) not Distance (in miles) = Square Root (height in feet). Then my refferance (ARRL Antenna Book 1974 version page 11) must be wrong. They give

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available

2007-08-30 Thread Eric Lemmon
: Repeater Range : Estimate Program Available To All Interested: I would invite you attention to a paper presented by Kenneth Bullington, Radio Propagation at Frequencies Above 30 Meagcycles in the October 1947 Proceedings of the I.R.E. - Waves and Electronics Section. Most all radio propagation