RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor TLD1693 Amp

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
Well, there seems to be a bit of a mystery. The schematic in the base/repeater station manual I have shows: C531 43L 30M 24H But the parts list shows: C531 43L 36M 24H So is it 30 or 36 pF? Who you gonna believe? I checked a mobile Micor manual, and it's listed as 30 pF in the parts list;

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor TLD1693 Amp

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
Richard, What version TLD1693 amplifier do you have? There are significant differences between the TLD1693C, TLD1693D, and TLD1693E PAs. The capacitors in question have slightly different values, and the four final transistors are different. Since the four finals in your PA are M9625, I think

RE: [Repeater-Builder] GE Voter Lamps Don't Work

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
Jared, What is the model number of the voter? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KE4ZDG Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 6:37 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even...

2010-03-07 Thread serc1mp
I don't have any spares, but just finished putting an L43GGB on 2 meters. Ordered crystals from Bomar. They were a lot less than International or Jan and worked fine. It's fun to go back and dig into these old Motorola radios. Enjoy! Mike, WA9FDO

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even...

2010-03-07 Thread serc1mp
Motorola had a really tremendous museum at their campus in Schaumburg, until a couple of years ago. I understand they closed it down. Had a chance to go through it several times. I think they had just about every radio and TV they ever produced. Sorry to see it go. Mike, WA9FDO

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even...

2010-03-07 Thread Andrew Seybold
Yeah they turned it into an innovation center-showing off future technologies-I really enjoyed it-saw it first when working for them in the late 1970's, and many times since, last time I was on campus they held a cocktail party in it and had about 20 different new technologies being shown and

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Spectrum S-7R repeater interface help needed

2010-03-07 Thread yeahright26
--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, yeahright26 yeahrigh...@... wrote: --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, skipp025 skipp025@ wrote: Joe saved me all the typing... thank you Joe. I have a pdf copy of the Spectrum S-7R Manual. IF YOUR EMAIL ACCOUNT WILL ALLOW LARGE FILE

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Someone still loves a Motrac - Low Band Even...

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff
If you do decide to pitch it, please toss the channel elements my way. I have a 1/4 KW station that can use them. Jeff W6JK While cleaning out a garage this week, I saw my old CHP MOTRAN that I crystalled up on 52.525 many years ago...

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread rffun
LMR and similar cables are not rated for low PIM What exactly do you mean by PIM ? rffun --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Larry Horlick llhorl...@... wrote: Indeed. I'll read the archives. Thanks. 73 On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@... wrote: The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Konstantinos Hatzakis
LMR and similar cables are not rated for low PIM Kindly let me Know what exactly PIM means 73s rffun - Original Message - From: Larry Horlick To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 4:02 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR Cable Indeed.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Bill Smith
Passive Intermodulation. Things like rusty hardware or disimilar metals can cause it in the presence of RF. From: rffun radio...@her.forthnet.gr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 7, 2010 2:33:33 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Passive Intermod. In other words, it tends to be a source in which intermod can be generated easily. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: rffun radio...@her.forthnet.gr To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:33 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR

[Repeater-Builder] FCC and Sirius XM

2010-03-07 Thread cruising7388
Although this particular part of the spectrum isn't operationally relevant for us, the way the FCC is treating spectrum it promised to protect is a real eye opener. If it happens to them, it can happen to us. K7IJ _Will the FCC Interfere With Sirius XM Yet Again?_

Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC and Sirius XM

2010-03-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
You bet. There's also a move to eliminate, or severely reduce, the new over-the-air digital TV stations as well as the dish TV providers. Nothing is off-limits these days. They aren't going to be happy until they've screwed everything up. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From:

[Repeater-Builder] Alinco DR-135 DR-435 Crossband Repeater

2010-03-07 Thread kd5ar
Good morning! I have an Alinco DR-135T and a DR-435T radio. I would like to be able to utilize these two radios for a crossband repeater. I have read that all of the functions of the crossband are out of the DB-9 Connectors on the back of the radios. I have used both of these radios for

[Repeater-Builder] Re: GE Voter Lamps Don't Work

2010-03-07 Thread KE4ZDG
I figured out out. The local/remote switch on the back of the power supply was on local. That disabled the 25V necessary to run the lights. Also, turns out that all the fail lights' bulbs had blown. All is working now. BTW, it's the old school gray voter w/ 6 cards. Jared --- In

[Repeater-Builder] DR-135 and DR-435 into a simple crossband rptr

2010-03-07 Thread kd5ar
Hello, I am wanting to make a crossband repeater out of a DR-135T and a DR-435T Alinco radio. How does someone do this? Can I just hook up a straight DB-9 to DB-9 serial cable from one to the other and it will work? Or do I need to build a cable with different wiring? Thanks 73, Brad KD5AR

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
well-documented and caused mainly by the use of foil shielding as in the lmr series. gets worse as cable ages and internal braid-foil contact degrades.  Although not as big of a problem with lmr due to an insulating layer over the actual foil.  beware of belden 9913 and lmr look-alikes. 

[Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 EPROM Controller

2010-03-07 Thread KE4ZDG
Hey folks, Any idea what would make an MSF5000 CLB EPROM controller randomly reset (test lights coming on)? When it's not in self-check mode, it works fine, but roughly every 3 mins, it resets itself. Thanks, Jared

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
Any problems with RG-214 or RG223 for duplexers/multi-couplers/combiners? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Dan Saputo dan17...@yahoo.com wrote: well-documented and caused mainly by the use of foil shielding as in the lmr series. gets worse as cable ages and internal braid-foil contact

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread NORM KNAPP
Those are usually the preferred types of cables. You should have no problems with either of those. I prefer REAL RG214/U., but RG400/U, RG393 or RG223/U will work. Avoid RG-142 and RG-9/U. Superflex is also a good choice. Don't even think about any LMR type or similar. N5NPO Norm -

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? And what is the problem with RG-142? lh On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:24 PM, NORM KNAPP nkn...@twowayradio.net wrote: Those are usually the preferred types of cables. You should have no problems with either of those. I prefer REAL RG214/U.,

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
none i'm aware of.  mil-spec rg-214 or 223 has silver-plated conductors.  the best interconnect cable to use in my opinion would be a smaller diameter heliax such as FSJ1-50A if you can get away with it.   Dan k8plw --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Larry Horlick llhorl...@gmail.com wrote: From: Larry

Re: [Repeater-Builder] LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Joe
Konstantinos Hatzakis wrote: / LMR and similar cables are not rated for low PIM Kindly let me Know what exactly PIM means 73s rffun / Go to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodulation Scroll down to Passive intermod. 73, Joe, K1ike Yahoo!

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
Real as it refers to the original military-spec'd construction of the cable.  Type meaning similar to original spec but likely not exact.  common differences in Type cable might be tinned vs. silver plated conductors, dialectric material etc.   Spec RG-142 has a silver-plated steel center

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
So in a duplex application, if the supply of the better cable is limited, it's better to use it on the rx side? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Dan Saputo dan17...@yahoo.com wrote: Real as it refers to the original military-spec'd construction of the cable. Type meaning similar to original

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Dan Saputo
in a duplex environment high levels of rf are likely to be present in close proximity to all associated station hardware including interconnect cables so best not to take chances on cable/connector quality.  holds true of both tx and rx cabling.   Dan k8plw --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Larry Horlick

[Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder

2010-03-07 Thread Repeater-Builder
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Repeater-Builder group. File: /Coaxial Cable Specifications/MIL-C-17_84B RG-223 Cable.pdf Uploaded by : wb6fly wb6...@verizon.net Description : MIL-C-17_RG-223

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
Nope. Both braids are silver-plated, so there's no dissimilar metals, and no foil to rub against. RG-214/U and RG-400/U are often specified for duplexers. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor TLD1693 Amp

2010-03-07 Thread Richard Marlin
Have forwarded the questions to AA3ID who has the amp apart. We are third hand at least on this amp but it did operate at around 60 watts for ten years at 145.110 feeding 800 feet of 7/8 hardline into a ham cut db224. when the tower came down it was given to me and i misread the pencil

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread hfarrenkopf
RG142/U cable is used all the time in duplexers. Extreme care is required to ensure that the silver/copper plating is not scratched or nicked when the connectors are put on and the pins on the center conductor needs to be soldered. The better cable should be used where the RX and TX signals

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Chuck Kelsey
I believe that the real problem is that the center conductor is solid. A slight nick in it will eventually cause it to break due to cable flexing fatigue at the weak point. RG-400 is often used instead and has a stranded center conductor. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - Spec

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Jeff DePolo
What is the difference between real and un-real RG214? There are some non-mil-spec RG214 varients out there. Sometimes they are labeled as RG214 TYPE, or RG214 Commercial. These typically have double braid like real RG214, but unlike real RG214, the braids are bare copper instead of

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread hfarrenkopf
The cables in duplexers are not under movement so the nick would not be the issue there. The nick does expose the steel which is a ferro-magnetic material that will cause intermodulation to occur at a much higher level. Plus, the insertion loss will increase at that point and if there is a lot

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
Oops! I should have added that RG-223/U cable is also double-shielded with silver-plated braids, and has a solid copper center conductor that is silver-plated. It has a PVC jacket and solid polyethylene dielectric. The Mil-Spec data sheet for this cable is also posted in the Files section of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder

2010-03-07 Thread Larry Horlick
So does that mean that in order for a cable to be labeled RG-223 it must meet this mil-spec? On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com wrote: Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics versus Commercial (Kenwood) Repeater Selection

2010-03-07 Thread k9bf
Skip I appreciate your reply. I currently have an old Johnson CR1000 that a converted to the 440 band about ten years ago. It has worked ok but its time to move on. I have been offered a remote receive site in the center of my town of 100,000. It is the top of a building about 230 feet high so

RE: [Repeater-Builder] New file uploaded to Repeater-Builder

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
Yes. In fact, only those manufacturers who are listed in the QPL (Qualified Products List) as making approved cable that meets the specification are allowed to mark it in such a way as to lead the buyer to assume that the cable is genuine Military Specification cable. Any cable that does not

[Repeater-Builder] OT,,some gel on board!!!!!!!!!!!!

2010-03-07 Thread gervais
hi all i am working on my snowmobile,i have to work on a special board that has a kind of GEL to protect the circuit from humidity... i remember some years ago in a radio-mobile shop they add a kind of liquid that you drop over this gel and it would melt it someone maybe know what i am

Re: [Repeater-Builder] OT,,some gel on board!!!!!!!!!!!!

2010-03-07 Thread kevin valentino
Is it a gel or more like a potting compound ?   I used Methyl Ethyl Keytone (MEK) to open potted circuits from competitors when i was in design and manufacturing engineering.   Worked great and even left identification of parts intact.   I don't suggest you specifically use MEK without further

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Quality Feed-line

2010-03-07 Thread skipp025
Larry Horlick llhorl...@... wrote: So in a duplex application, if the supply of the better cable is limited, it's better to use it on the rx side? Depends really, there are high level RF locations where I might want a bit of extra loss in the cable. If you have a very low power solar UHF

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics versus Commercial (Kenwood) Repeater Selection

2010-03-07 Thread skipp025
k9bf k...@... wrote: Skipp I appreciate your reply. I currently have an old Johnson CR1000 that a converted to the 440 band about ten years ago. It has worked ok but its time to move on. Why is it time to move on? I have been offered a remote receive site in the center of my town of

Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSF5000 EPROM Controller

2010-03-07 Thread Mike Morris
At 02:47 PM 03/07/10, you wrote: Hey folks, Any idea what would make an MSF5000 CLB EPROM controller randomly reset (test lights coming on)? When it's not in self-check mode, it works fine, but roughly every 3 mins, it resets itself. Thanks, Jared One thing that comes to mind is the power

[Repeater-Builder] Re: A self heated Two Way Radio Museum

2010-03-07 Thread skipp025
Is there a Two Way Radio Museum? Not one of any substantial size that I've ever heard about. And it would have to be a really, really large building. Paul Plack pl...@... wrote: Large building, yes...but you wouldn't have to pay extra to heat it. You'd have to take out a tarp fund

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hamtronics versus Commercial (Kenwood) Repeater Selection

2010-03-07 Thread Eric Lemmon
The question that pops into my mind concerns the proposed 200 watt power amplifier. I have to wonder where the notion to run an alligator system originated. I see four possible answers: 1. We have this 200 watt amplifier, so we are duty-bound to use it regardless of whether it is necessary or

RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT,,some gel on board!!!!!!!!!!!!

2010-03-07 Thread John King
http://www.dynaloy.com/Products/tech_data_sheets/UresolveBlue411.pdf 73, john WA1ABI

[Repeater-Builder] Re: LMR Cable

2010-03-07 Thread JG
OK Guys My two dollar question is: How to determine whether the braids are silver or tin coated, without taking into consideration the brand/name on the sheath, or have I missed the fine print in this discussion? :) 73 John/VK4JKL