Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
Tom, I have 3 Radio Shack SAME receivers, 2 base type, and recently a HT type. I like the HT type for it displays time and temp...helps in some of my out door activites. Most of the SAME receivers I see, including the RS, the open audio is timed, RS to 5 minutes. Initially the FCC stated the message was to be limited to 2 minutes, but this might have changed. However, most messages are much shorter than 5 minutes. The NWS when it sends an alert also sends end of message command which could be used by the rcvrs. Have you seen any rcvrs other than the $1500 professional type that terminate the audio on the commands??? 73, ron, n9ee/r From: tgundo2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 08:34:49 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was wandering thru Farm Fleet (Actually there to buy food for the chickens) and I noticed in the small electrics dept that First Alert brand has NOAA WX radios with SAME- and they look to have the individual LED's for the different statuses. I would gather these would be modifiable for use with repeater controllers. There were two models: WX-167 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=599 WX-150 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=598 Now- I believe the pricing was 39.99 for the 150 and 59.99 for the 167, but the website info does not correspond with that. I opened up the 150 and read thru the manual (d*mn shoppers) and it does not mention wether it runs on a 5 min timer when a message comes thru or if it shuts back down when the message is over. I noticed on the 167 there is already an external connector (F type) for an external antenna as well as an alert out jack (1/8) for external signaling devices, so if someone wanted an easy no frills accy for their repeater you could probably adapt that with no modification. I know some people were looking for options last time we discussed this so I figured I would pass this along. 73's Tom W9SRV Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
RS 12-251 It's an older disco'd model, a few float around on Ebay and a few guys out here have them to. It shuts down at the end of the message. I have one sitting here on the desk at work(waiting for conversion for my repeater) and it works just dandy. I believe it's one of the models listed on the RB website with a conversion. Tom W9SRV Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have 3 Radio Shack SAME receivers, 2 base type, and recently a HT type. I like the HT type for it displays time and temp...helps in some of my out door activites. Most of the SAME receivers I see, including the RS, the open audio is timed, RS to 5 minutes. Initially the FCC stated the message was to be limited to 2 minutes, but this might have changed. However, most messages are much shorter than 5 minutes. The NWS when it sends an alert also sends end of message command which could be used by the rcvrs. Have you seen any rcvrs other than the $1500 professional type that terminate the audio on the commands??? 73, ron, n9ee/r From: tgundo2003 Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 08:34:49 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was wandering thru Farm Fleet (Actually there to buy food for the chickens) and I noticed in the small electrics dept that First Alert brand has NOAA WX radios with SAME- and they look to have the individual LED's for the different statuses. I would gather these would be modifiable for use with repeater controllers. There were two models: WX-167 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=599 WX-150 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=598 Now- I believe the pricing was 39.99 for the 150 and 59.99 for the 167, but the website info does not correspond with that. I opened up the 150 and read thru the manual (d*mn shoppers) and it does not mention wether it runs on a 5 min timer when a message comes thru or if it shuts back down when the message is over. I noticed on the 167 there is already an external connector (F type) for an external antenna as well as an alert out jack (1/8) for external signaling devices, so if someone wanted an easy no frills accy for their repeater you could probably adapt that with no modification. I know some people were looking for options last time we discussed this so I figured I would pass this along. 73's Tom W9SRV Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
RS 12-251 It's an older disco'd model, a few float around on Ebay and a few guys out here have them to. It shuts down at the end of the message. I have one sitting here on the desk at work(waiting for conversion for my repeater) and it works just dandy. I believe it's one of the models listed on the RB website with a conversion. Tom W9SRV ** ** Hi All! For what its worth, I have 2 Radio Shack 12-250 (they turn off after the message, not 5 minutes! When you find them on ebay, they go for $10-15. Yes, they have the 3 lights that stay on for the duration of the alert. Brian Your kid may be an Honor Student, Your Kid may be a Great Athlete, Your Kid may be a Doctor or a Lawyer, But My kid is in the Air Force plays with ICBM's Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, . So, what were you saying? ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
I was working on preparing an presentation for Defcon 15, but missed the deadline. The protocol is an odd baud rate and odd tone frequencies, but it should be possible to construct a decoder to look for the termination sequence of '' Please refere to FCC Rules 11.31 for more information. This would be a perfect task for the new TinyTrak4, but you will have to motivate Byon to write the code. On 8/2/07, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have 3 Radio Shack SAME receivers, 2 base type, and recently a HT type. I like the HT type for it displays time and temp...helps in some of my out door activites. Most of the SAME receivers I see, including the RS, the open audio is timed, RS to 5 minutes. Initially the FCC stated the message was to be limited to 2 minutes, but this might have changed. However, most messages are much shorter than 5 minutes. The NWS when it sends an alert also sends end of message command which could be used by the rcvrs. Have you seen any rcvrs other than the $1500 professional type that terminate the audio on the commands??? 73, ron, n9ee/r From: tgundo2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 08:34:49 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was wandering thru Farm Fleet (Actually there to buy food for the chickens) and I noticed in the small electrics dept that First Alert brand has NOAA WX radios with SAME- and they look to have the individual LED's for the different statuses. I would gather these would be modifiable for use with repeater controllers. There were two models: WX-167 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=599 WX-150 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=598 Now- I believe the pricing was 39.99 for the 150 and 59.99 for the 167, but the website info does not correspond with that. I opened up the 150 and read thru the manual (d*mn shoppers) and it does not mention wether it runs on a 5 min timer when a message comes thru or if it shuts back down when the message is over. I noticed on the 167 there is already an external connector (F type) for an external antenna as well as an alert out jack (1/8) for external signaling devices, so if someone wanted an easy no frills accy for their repeater you could probably adapt that with no modification. I know some people were looking for options last time we discussed this so I figured I would pass this along. 73's Tom W9SRV Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
Tom, I have the RS 12-259, an HT type. Bought used and no manual. Took a while to figure out the programming. I don't know if it turns off with command. My two RS 12-249, the first ones they sold, base type, go for the 5 minutes. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 11:46:17 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited RS 12-251  It's an older disco'd model, a few float around on Ebay and a few guys out here have them to. It shuts down at the end of the message. I have one sitting here on the desk at work(waiting for conversion for my repeater) and it works just dandy. I believe it's one of the models listed on the RB website with a conversion.  Tom W9SRV  Hi All! For what its worth, I have 2 Radio Shack 12-250 (they turn off after the message, not 5 minutes! When you find them on ebay, they go for $10-15. Yes, they have the 3 lights that stay on for the duration of the alert. Brian Your kid may be an Honor Student, Your Kid may be a Great Athlete, Your Kid may be a Doctor or a Lawyer, But My kid is in the Air Force plays with ICBM's Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, . So, what were you saying? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
DCFlux, Writing the code is easy. Software is easy...that's why it is so popular. Tons of high school drop outs doing it every day, hi. The format of the data was somewhat complex and as you said wierd tones like 530 Hz and 1250 and don't think was ASCII. Had to build tone decoder and speciallized serial port. Can't find the FCC EAS protocal, but think the end commands were same as start. Of the professional units I've seen they used lots of DSP. Obviously Radio Shack, Midland and others found a simpler way. I was working on decoder a few years back, but lost interest. Same with EDACS trunking. Had it decoded. Guess good gave both up. RS and others did both and cheaply, hi. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 11:25:17 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was working on preparing an presentation for Defcon 15, but missed the deadline. The protocol is an odd baud rate and odd tone frequencies, but it should be possible to construct a decoder to look for the termination sequence of '' Please refere to FCC Rules 11.31 for more information. This would be a perfect task for the new TinyTrak4, but you will have to motivate Byon to write the code. On 8/2/07, Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have 3 Radio Shack SAME receivers, 2 base type, and recently a HT type. I like the HT type for it displays time and temp...helps in some of my out door activites. Most of the SAME receivers I see, including the RS, the open audio is timed, RS to 5 minutes. Initially the FCC stated the message was to be limited to 2 minutes, but this might have changed. However, most messages are much shorter than 5 minutes. The NWS when it sends an alert also sends end of message command which could be used by the rcvrs. Have you seen any rcvrs other than the $1500 professional type that terminate the audio on the commands??? 73, ron, n9ee/r From: tgundo2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 08:34:49 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was wandering thru Farm Fleet (Actually there to buy food for the chickens) and I noticed in the small electrics dept that First Alert brand has NOAA WX radios with SAME- and they look to have the individual LED's for the different statuses. I would gather these would be modifiable for use with repeater controllers. There were two models: WX-167 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=599 WX-150 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=598 Now- I believe the pricing was 39.99 for the 150 and 59.99 for the 167, but the website info does not correspond with that. I opened up the 150 and read thru the manual (d*mn shoppers) and it does not mention wether it runs on a 5 min timer when a message comes thru or if it shuts back down when the message is over. I noticed on the 167 there is already an external connector (F type) for an external antenna as well as an alert out jack (1/8) for external signaling devices, so if someone wanted an easy no frills accy for their repeater you could probably adapt that with no modification. I know some people were looking for options last time we discussed this so I figured I would pass this along. 73's Tom W9SRV Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
All the new RS models are on a 5 min timer too. I don't know why there were a few in-between that go off at the end of message command, probably the bean counters got involved, a timer circuit is cheeper I would guess. One of these days I am going to get this interfaced to my 7K. 73 Tom Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have the RS 12-259, an HT type. Bought used and no manual. Took a while to figure out the programming. I don't know if it turns off with command. My two RS 12-249, the first ones they sold, base type, go for the 5 minutes. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 11:46:17 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited RS 12-251  It's an older disco'd model, a few float around on Ebay and a few guys out here have them to. It shuts down at the end of the message. I have one sitting here on the desk at work(waiting for conversion for my repeater) and it works just dandy. I believe it's one of the models listed on the RB website with a conversion.  Tom W9SRV  Hi All! For what its worth, I have 2 Radio Shack 12-250 (they turn off after the message, not 5 minutes! When you find them on ebay, they go for $10-15. Yes, they have the 3 lights that stay on for the duration of the alert. Brian Your kid may be an Honor Student, Your Kid may be a Great Athlete, Your Kid may be a Doctor or a Lawyer, But My kid is in the Air Force plays with ICBM's Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, . So, what were you saying? Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search.
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
This might be of interest: http://www.catauto.com/wd100.html More notes below At 11:16 AM 08/02/07, you wrote: All the new RS models are on a 5 min timer too. I don't know why there were a few in-between that go off at the end of message command, probably the bean counters got involved, a timer circuit is cheeper I would guess. Probably a different manufacturer and hence a different designer. One of these days I am going to get this interfaced to my 7K. 73 Tom Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have the RS 12-259, an HT type. Bought used and no manual. Took a while to figure out the programming. The manual is on repeater-builder I don't know if it turns off with command. My two RS 12-249, the first ones they sold, base type, go for the 5 minutes. 73, ron, n9ee/r Mike WA6ILQ
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
I am using a WD-100 with an old Bendix-King radio connected to an RLC-3 and it works great. Sure it's not as cheap as hacking a Radio Shack WX Radio, but it has all of the features you need and more. -Sean This might be of interest: http://www.catauto.com/wd100.html More notes below At 11:16 AM 08/02/07, you wrote: All the new RS models are on a 5 min timer too. I don't know why there were a few in-between that go off at the end of message command, probably the bean counters got involved, a timer circuit is cheeper I would guess. Probably a different manufacturer and hence a different designer. One of these days I am going to get this interfaced to my 7K. 73 Tom Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have the RS 12-259, an HT type. Bought used and no manual. Took a while to figure out the programming. The manual is on repeater-builder I don't know if it turns off with command. My two RS 12-249, the first ones they sold, base type, go for the 5 minutes. 73, ron, n9ee/r Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
I have 2 Radio Shack 12-250, the audio stops when the announcement is over. Usually much shorter than 5 minutes. Gerald Pelnar WD0FYF McPherson, Ks - Original Message - From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited Tom, I have 3 Radio Shack SAME receivers, 2 base type, and recently a HT type. I like the HT type for it displays time and temp...helps in some of my out door activites. Most of the SAME receivers I see, including the RS, the open audio is timed, RS to 5 minutes. Initially the FCC stated the message was to be limited to 2 minutes, but this might have changed. However, most messages are much shorter than 5 minutes. The NWS when it sends an alert also sends end of message command which could be used by the rcvrs. Have you seen any rcvrs other than the $1500 professional type that terminate the audio on the commands??? 73, ron, n9ee/r From: tgundo2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu AM 08:34:49 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited I was wandering thru Farm Fleet (Actually there to buy food for the chickens) and I noticed in the small electrics dept that First Alert brand has NOAA WX radios with SAME- and they look to have the individual LED's for the different statuses. I would gather these would be modifiable for use with repeater controllers. There were two models: WX-167 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=599 WX-150 http://www.simaproducts.com/products/product_detail.php?product_id=598 Now- I believe the pricing was 39.99 for the 150 and 59.99 for the 167, but the website info does not correspond with that. I opened up the 150 and read thru the manual (d*mn shoppers) and it does not mention wether it runs on a 5 min timer when a message comes thru or if it shuts back down when the message is over. I noticed on the 167 there is already an external connector (F type) for an external antenna as well as an alert out jack (1/8) for external signaling devices, so if someone wanted an easy no frills accy for their repeater you could probably adapt that with no modification. I know some people were looking for options last time we discussed this so I figured I would pass this along. 73's Tom W9SRV Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited
Mike Morris, The stop command in the SAME system is the same format as the initial alert command. So a stop command is just software. Of course a timer is also. So only factor would be if the microcomputer had enough memory to store the additional programming. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2007/08/02 Thu PM 01:35:52 CDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] WX Radio w/ S.A.M.E Revisited This might be of interest: http://www.catauto.com/wd100.html More notes below At 11:16 AM 08/02/07, you wrote: All the new RS models are on a 5min timer too. I don't know why there were a few in-between that go offat the end of message command, probably the bean counters got involved, atimer circuit is cheeper I would guess. Probably a different manufacturer and hence a differentdesigner. One of these days I am going toget this interfaced to my 7K. Â 73 Â Tom Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I have the RS 12-259, an HT type. Bought used and no manual. Took awhile to figure out the programming. The manual is on repeater-builder I don't know if it turns off with command. My two RS 12-249, the first ones they sold, base type, go for the 5minutes. 73, ron, n9ee/r Mike WA6ILQ Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome.
