Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread allan crites
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing   yes I know -55db is I think around 399 microvolts which will flatten any receiver, I sure hope not; there are many signals coming down my antenna that are that strong. In fact, my 440 repeater 13 miles away is at about

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread Jeff DePolo
Kevin, I'm sorry to have to tell you this but I think your calculator batteries need to be changed. 0 dBM = 0.2236 volts in a 50 Ohm circuit. +20 dBM is indeed 100 mW and P=EI and inserting 100 mW into the Eq. for Volts in a 50 Ohm system, E= the sq. rt. of the quantity (.100 x 50) =

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread allan crites
mistake. It's time for a new calculator for me.  And then the computer crashed. Time for a new computer too. AC From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 27, 2010 11:09:55 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread Kevin Custer
allan crites wrote: Kevin, I'm sorry to have to tell you this but I think your calculator batteries need to be changed. 0 dBM = 0.2236 volts in a 50 Ohm circuit. +20 dBM is indeed 100 mW and P=EI and inserting 100 mW into the Eq. for Volts in a 50 Ohm system, E= the sq. rt. of the quantity

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread La Rue Communications
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing I sure did. Thanks to you Jeff for your response and my sincerest apology to Kevin. I did the calculation four times and got the same wrong answer four times before I hit the send

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread no6b
At 7/27/2010 10:29 AM, you wrote:  Get a Mac. Much more efficient and crash free.. At the last coordinators' meeting I attended there was one laptop crash... Yup, it was a Mac ;) Bob NO6B

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread no6b
At 7/27/2010 10:15 AM, you wrote: case you haven't figured that out)). By the way, the GE PLL exciter has 22 dB less phase noise at 600 kHz from its primary carrier than does its multiplier counterpart, you can bet it's way more than that at 6 MHz. That 22 dB is an interesting figure: the

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-27 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Yep, Mac's crash all the time. They get virus' too. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: n...@no6b.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing At 7/27/2010 10:29 AM, you wrote:  Get

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-26 Thread Steve
tahr...@swtexas.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 12:06 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing Hi Steve, I measured each way to the common point... RX to antenna Tx to antenna, and each one had a notch of about 102dB

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-26 Thread Jeff DePolo
Good thoughts Milt, and I'll add a few While not an easy thing to find I would suggest that you most likely need some sort of a bandpass cavity on the receiver to protect from the noise that gets past the heliax notches. Remember that a notch duplexer only removes the notched portion

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-26 Thread no6b
At 7/25/2010 15:54, you wrote: Hi Jeff yes I know -55db is I think around 399 microvolts which will flatten any receiver, I sure hope not; there are many signals coming down my antenna that are that strong. In fact, my 440 repeater 13 miles away is at about that level at my antenna connector.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-26 Thread Kevin Custer
yes I know -55db is I think around 399 microvolts which will flatten any receiver, I sure hope not; there are many signals coming down my antenna that are that strong. In fact, my 440 repeater 13 miles away is at about that level at my antenna connector. Reminds me of a test I

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Steve
Hi you beat me to it, I would suggest a duplexer problem as -55dB isn't a lot you should have ideally better than 80dB. It also could be the fact that you are running too much tx pwr, have you tried dropping it down. 73 Steve, M1SWB(UK) - Original Message - From: Tim tahr...@swtexas.net

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Tim
Hi Steve, Running 80 watts into the duplexer, getting 50 out. Getting about 102dB notch out of the duplexers. From a previous thread a couple of days ago, the consensus was that -50 was fine for this receiver. I hooked up my IC-706 to the TX port, and even at 5w, I was getting significant

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread men...@pa.net
Been following this thread for a while, some thoughts in random order: If I remember correctly you said that you are using the 1 5/8 heliax notches as your duplexer. If I also remember correctly others have reported problems of many sorts with these homebrew devices. While not an easy thing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Steve
Hi again Tim what you could try is this, put a signal gen on the tx port and see what the isolation is on the rx port, don't forget to put a dummy 50ohm load on the ant port Steve - Original Message - From: Tim tahr...@swtexas.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Hi you beat me to it, I would suggest a duplexer problem as -55dB isn't a lot you should have ideally better than 80dB. It also could be the fact that you are running too much tx pwr, have you tried dropping it down. 73 Steve, M1SWB(UK) He said he measured the Tx carrier at the Rx

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Steve
. We are limited to 25w erp so usual tx in is about 25w and out of the duplexer around 20w 73 Steve - Original Message - From: Tim tahr...@swtexas.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Steve
an isolation test with sig gen and analyser 73 Steve - Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing Hi you beat me to it, I would suggest

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Repeater receiver testing

2010-07-25 Thread Jeff DePolo
Hi Jeff yes I know -55db is I think around 399 microvolts No, you're still missing it. He said -55 dBm (m = milliwatts), not -55 dB. which will flatten any receiver -55 dBm at 1 MHz offset isn't going to bother any half-decent receiver. A decent receiver would have 100 dB of