subject:"Re\: \[RDD\] Centos 7 \& Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower"

Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-04 Thread Cowboy

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 11:32:17 -0500 (EST)
Rob Landry <41001...@interpring.com> wrote:

> I often prefer to build my own machines 
> around motherboards of my choosing.

 If I have a specific application for which I can't buy off the shelf,
 such as a machine that will host 16 10T SATA drives, or a machine that
 will host 7 or 8 Rivendell virtual machines, then yes, I prefer to
 build it with parts of my choosing, largely for high compatibility, BUT...

 If at all possible, I will always go with an off-the-shelf box from the
 local comfuser store, so that "the next guy" doesn't have to reverse 
 engineer what I was thinking at the time.

 My favorite laptops are Dell.
 I have a few HP/Compaq servers. ( which are NOISY !! )
 I have a dozen or so special purpose-built.

 I'm also not opposed to buying a "machine" for hardware reliability, and
 repurposing it to something else.
 My personal house server, and my personal Spam-O-Matic are running on
 off the shelf IsIS TS-1000 routers with boosted RAM and RAID-1 laptop hard 
drives.
 ( I considered Cisco switches, but the software gets tricky )

 (( I do have a 48 port router/firewall built from 1 TS-1000 and a Cisco 3560G
with highly customized ( but commercially supported ) software/OS ))

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-04 Thread Steve Varholy

These past few years, I prefer the HP enterprise machines over the Dells and 
both Dell/HP over any white-box machines.


We only buy off-lease refurbs. It's cost-effective and Rivendell/audio work 
does not require the latest and greatest processors and you cannot build a new 
machine for the cost of a refurb from a reputable reseller.


These big manufacturer enterprise machines are well documented, the 
drivers/manuals are maintained in the very long term on the manufacturer's 
website so you are not hunting for drivers from component manufacturers. In 
addition, they are tool-less cases, so any component failure can easily and 
quickly be addressed.


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From: rivendell-dev-boun...@lists.rivendellaudio.org 
 on behalf of Rob Landry 
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Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:32:17 AM
To: Cliff Osbourne
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Subject: Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower


In my experience, Dell machines don't take industry standard parts. If a
power supply fails, you need a Dell power supply, and one for that
particular model, as they are not necessarily the same from model to
model.

I prefer machines that use standard ATX power supplies, standard CD/DVD-RW
drives, etc. And, because I usually need a certain number of PCI or PCI-e
slots, serial ports, and what not, I often prefer to build my own machines
around motherboards of my choosing.


Rob

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-04 Thread Bob Reite

Agreed.  I have a client running a Dell.  I got him back on the air by
putting in a standard ATX power supply with the DVD drive disconnected
and the machine laying on it's side with the power supply on the table.

I found a used working Dell supply on Ebay for a replacement and I plan
to repair the dead supply as a spare.

On 12/4/18 11:32 AM, Rob Landry wrote:
> 
> In my experience, Dell machines don't take industry standard parts. If a
> power supply fails, you need a Dell power supply, and one for that
> particular model, as they are not necessarily the same from model to model.
> 
> I prefer machines that use standard ATX power supplies, standard
> CD/DVD-RW drives, etc. And, because I usually need a certain number of
> PCI or PCI-e slots, serial ports, and what not, I often prefer to build
> my own machines around motherboards of my choosing.
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-04 Thread Rob Landry



In my experience, Dell machines don't take industry standard parts. If a 
power supply fails, you need a Dell power supply, and one for that 
particular model, as they are not necessarily the same from model to 
model.


I prefer machines that use standard ATX power supplies, standard CD/DVD-RW 
drives, etc. And, because I usually need a certain number of PCI or PCI-e 
slots, serial ports, and what not, I often prefer to build my own machines 
around motherboards of my choosing.



Rob

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Rich Stivers

Tom:

Many thanks for sharing your experiences. I've had trouble with a Lenovo
as well. Which models of the new personal

Dell desktops did you not like?

Rich

On 12/2/2018 14:00, Tom Van Gorkom wrote:
I have used several refurb business Dell Optiplexes for Rivendell and
other Linux systems which have lasted for years. I did not like the
new personal Dell desktops on the lower end and I had a big fight
loading CentOS 7 on a new Lenovo, mainly because of how the newer UEFI
and BIOS works. The last time I messed with it the system worked much
easier, but of course I knew to use legacy settings in the BIOS. I'm
no expert... FWIW.

Tom Van Gorkom
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Office: 956-380-8150
Cell: 865-803-7427

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On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rich Stivers > wrote:

Fred:

Thanks for this information. I bought a couple of Windows PC's in
this time frame and was fortunate to have missed this problem.

Rich

On 12/2/2018 06:40, Fred Gleason wrote:

On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers mailto:r...@stivers-bros.com>> wrote:

Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with
installing Centos 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I
remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to
problems with certain passive component suppliers in eastern
Asia), which reached its peak in the mid/late-2000s and has been
in steady decline ever since. I have no specific experience with
the Dell Optiplex line, but I would not expect it to have any
particular problems with failed capacitors relative to any other
reputable brand.

You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st
century at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Tom Van Gorkom

I have used several refurb business Dell Optiplexes for Rivendell and other
Linux systems which have lasted for years. I did not like the new personal
Dell desktops on the lower end and I had a big fight loading CentOS 7 on a
new Lenovo, mainly because of how the newer UEFI and BIOS works. The last
time I messed with it the system worked much easier, but of course I knew
to use legacy settings in the BIOS. I'm no expert... FWIW.

Tom Van Gorkom
Radio Esperanza Engineering, KRIO AM/FM, KOIR FM
Office: 956-380-8150
Cell: 865-803-7427

Rio Grande Bible Institute
4300 S US Hwy 281
Edinburg, TX 78539


On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:40 PM Rich Stivers  wrote:

> Fred:
>
> Thanks for this information. I bought a couple of Windows PC's in this
> time frame and was fortunate to have missed this problem.
>
> Rich
>
>
> On 12/2/2018 06:40, Fred Gleason wrote:
>
> On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers  wrote:
>
> Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with installing Centos
> 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I
> remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.
>
>
> That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to problems
> with certain passive component suppliers in eastern Asia), which reached
> its peak in the mid/late-2000s and has been in steady decline ever since. I
> have no specific experience with the Dell Optiplex line, but I would not
> expect it to have any particular problems with failed capacitors relative
> to any other reputable brand.
>
> You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st century
> at:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Rich Stivers

Fred:

Thanks for this information. I bought a couple of Windows PC's in this
time frame and was fortunate to have missed this problem.

Rich

On 12/2/2018 06:40, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers > wrote:

Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with installing
Centos 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I

remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to
problems with certain passive component suppliers in eastern Asia),
which reached its peak in the mid/late-2000s and has been in steady
decline ever since. I have no specific experience with the Dell
Optiplex line, but I would not expect it to have any particular
problems with failed capacitors relative to any other reputable brand.

You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st
century at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Rich Stivers


Al:

Thanks for the response. I'm glad the bad cap issue is long gone. I went 
to the Centos website and they say

the UEFI issues have been resolved for Centos 7.

Rich


On 12/2/2018 04:58, Al Peterson wrote:
The Dell capacitor issue was resolved a good number of years ago. Lots 
of mobos suffered from bad caps, not just Dell.

If anything, UEFI may be a bigger annoyance.

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018, 4:55 AM Rich Stivers  wrote:


I had asked earlier this year about getting a new PC to run Centos
6. Now I'm looking to buy new PC's to run Centos 7.
Station Management doesn't want me to buy refurbished PC's so I'm
considering buying new Dell Optiplex 3060 Towers.

Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with
installing Centos 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I
remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

Rich Stivers
KKUP-FM 91.5
Cupertino/San Jose CA

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Rich Stivers

Cliff:

Many Thanks for the response. This is good news for me!

Rich

On 12/2/2018 07:15, Cliff Osbourne wrote:

My personal experience with Optiplex machines has been good. I have
always found them to be reliable workhorses and have had no problems
with them running both Windows and various Linux systems. In the case
of Quasar we are currently running two that have behaved faultlessly
since we launched in 2014. Both are currently running CentOS-7/Paravel
installations with no issues. Assuming current models are built to the
same standard as the 'refurbs' I've have experience of I would expect
you would have any problems, Rich.

On 02/12/2018 14:40, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers > wrote:

Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with installing
Centos 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I

remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to
problems with certain passive component suppliers in eastern Asia),
which reached its peak in the mid/late-2000s and has been in steady
decline ever since. I have no specific experience with the Dell
Optiplex line, but I would not expect it to have any particular
problems with failed capacitors relative to any other reputable brand.

You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st
century at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Cliff Osbourne

Pardon my typing The last line should have said "I wouldn't expect 
you to have any problems.




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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Cliff Osbourne

My personal experience with Optiplex machines has been good. I have
always found them to be reliable workhorses and have had no problems
with them running both Windows and various Linux systems. In the case of
Quasar we are currently running two that have behaved faultlessly since
we launched in 2014. Both are currently running CentOS-7/Paravel
installations with no issues. Assuming current models are built to the
same standard as the 'refurbs' I've have experience of I would expect
you would have any problems, Rich.

On 02/12/2018 14:40, Fred Gleason wrote:
On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers > wrote:

Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with installing
Centos 7 on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I

remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to
problems with certain passive component suppliers in eastern Asia),
which reached its peak in the mid/late-2000s and has been in steady
decline ever since. I have no specific experience with the Dell
Optiplex line, but I would not expect it to have any particular
problems with failed capacitors relative to any other reputable brand.

You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st
century at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague

Cheers!

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Re: [RDD] Centos 7 & Dell Optiplex 3060 Tower

2018-12-02 Thread Fred Gleason

On Dec 2, 2018, at 04:55, Rich Stivers  wrote:

> Has anyone had any positive or negative experiences with installing Centos 7 
> on an Optiplex 3060 Tower? Seems like I
> remember someone mentioning Dell motherboard capacitors failing.

That was much more an industry-wide problem, (allegedly due to problems with 
certain passive component suppliers in eastern Asia), which reached its peak in 
the mid/late-2000s and has been in steady decline ever since. I have no 
specific experience with the Dell Optiplex line, but I would not expect it to 
have any particular problems with failed capacitors relative to any other 
reputable brand.

You can read more about the ‘capacitor plague’ of the early 21st century at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague 

Cheers!

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