Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
> I prefer to pay in real money >and not by time spent to make programs work. This is your decision but do not forget that freedom comes at a price. It can be paid by actively coding (whole apps or just patches), or by investing some time for making things work, or many other ways. You may choose not to pay this price or think that you cannot afford it. But please, oh please refrain from blaming developers for it. Developers work to the best of their abilities without usually being paid at all and when their efforts fall short in some fronts against some major companies' products, they are the ones to pay yet another price by answering endless unfair accusations of the "community". Yes, for the present we may spend our resources as we like. But, if we don't do it carefully, who can guarantee that our digital life won't be governed by corporate entities in the future? That is the real bleak future. By the way, I enjoy using Gnome 3 more than anything I tried since Win95. Ahmet -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John wrote: > A number of writer to this thread made reference to their > recently discovered new distro (whatever !) that is not > suffering from any of the known illnesses. I can assure them > that they are living in a dream world. The next update will > bring them back to reality. Stick with a commonly used distro, and learn how to use it properly. Distro hopping are like fashion followers, there are always new hats, new ties, new eye glasses, new dresses, new shoes, new cell phones... But of course, for newbies who haven't chosen a Linux distro yet, some recommendations are not such a bad idea, either, especially the newbies in the Linux MIDI arena. My use of Linux and Open Source apps are because I simply don't want to agree to draconian terms of the EULA (End User's License Agreements), and having to jump through all the hoops to back up and restore my computer, and associated applications. I want to install, copy, backup my OS and softwares on to different computers of my choice, when I do my hardware upgrades. Or having a "working spare" system in place, so when my main computer has a problem, I can fairly quickly get my work done without interruption. And I don't want to pay double, triple, quadruple the licensing fees, just because I have a few some older computers sitting around. Some people don't even bother to read EULA, nor care to understand those legal terms, but most of them don't even allow the OS, or applications to be copied on to a "running" (operarting) computer so that such softwares can be readily run. Worse than that, many proprietary applications have their own data format. Years down the road, when I need to read such data files, those apps may not be installable, or runnable on my latest computer(s), and the older computers or hard drives may have died long before that. With most Open Source softwares, the data file format can be read and data be extracted or converted much more readily. Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
--- On Wed, 8/29/12, John wrote: > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, > but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer > to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs > work. Perhaps you shouldn't even bother with Linux at all, pay for Windows, or OSX apps for everything you want to use, Rosegarden, Lilypond probably can't be compare to the well polished professional apps out there. > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to > the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make > programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to > smell the roses. > > John Sure people can chose what they want do to. There are plenty of people who couldn't and wouldn't learn how to program the clock on a Microwave, or VCR. No big deals. Jimmy -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
Ubuntu Studio 12.04 defaults to XFCE I believe. I've been using it for a while now with great success. Didn't take much of a test ride to boil down Unity though. 12.04 finally has a proper real time pre-emptive kernel again after going through a bit of a rough patch for a release or two. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 29 Aug 2012, at 23:14, Chris Cannam wrote: > So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to > relish the good things about it. It's a fucking operating system. Get over it. R -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 29 August 2012 14:48, Richard Bown wrote: > On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John wrote: > [...] >> I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of >> being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to >> spend my time to smell the roses. > > Well said, sir. I'm not sure there is such a simple dichotomy, though. It has so much to do with temperament and perspective. For instance, I'm sure that (of historical Rosegarden developers) you and Guillaume would agree that your lives have been more pleasant since you stopped having to apply the principle that "it has to be beaten into shape in order to work in Linux" and switched to other platforms in which you get things done more readily. Revisiting other operating systems in the light of your experience with Linux, you find one of them more satisfying and switch -- contentedly, I assume. On the other hand I've had similar experience of other platforms and found that, in comparison, Linux is the one I most enjoy using, for many largely subjective reasons. So the same experience has made me more content as well, but in a different way. As another example -- John wrote, likely accurately, > A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered > new distro [...] The next update will bring them back to reality. But another way of looking at the ebb-and-flow is that, provided the basics of the OS remain the things you always liked about it, you can mostly just ignore the passing fads -- so long as you can stick with the configuration you like and adapt away configurations you don't get on with, the platform will always come back to you eventually. I think the root of Michael's problem is that he feels stuck with this one operating system -- whether for financial reasons or because of a gloomy expectation that nothing else is going to work for him either. So he hasn't had the opportunity either to decide to let it go, or to relish the good things about it. Chris -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] KXStudio
Sorry to hear that, but you must be running some pretty ancient or oddball hardware for that to be an issue. Personally I have it running on two desktops with Q8300 and one laptop with T4200 Intel multicore CPUs. All of them run flawlessly. I learned my lesson and stopped buying AMD CPUs after Y2K when I had serious issues with overheating. So which was your case? Oddball CPU or ancient? Regards, Gary All The World's A Stage... Listen to my tunes @ >>> http://soundcloud.com/happyrat1 <<< - --- On Wed, 8/29/12, david wrote: > From: david > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] KXStudio > To: "rosegarden-user" > Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 2:48 PM > Last I tried KXStudio, it wouldn't > run on any of my main audio systems > because it requires the processor have the PAE extensions, > which mine don't. > > On 08/29/2012 04:26 AM, S. Christian Collins wrote: > > I will second this recommendation. Another nice > touch is the ability to > > run PulseAudio as a Jack client, which means using > KXStudio, I never > > have problems with applications not able to produce > sound. > > > > -~Chris > > > > On 08/29/2012 09:22 AM, Gary G. wrote: > >> I've seen a lot of buzz on the list lately about > >> Multimedia Based Distros and Addons that make > >> working with Rosegarden and Jack Audio a little > >> easier. > >> > >> I've been using KXStudio for the past year without > >> a hiccup. It's an addon for Ubuntu and > Kubuntu but > >> also claims to be workable with other distros as > >> well. > >> > >> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ > >> > >> It works well, is well maintained and generally > >> quite stable. I'd fully recommend it to > anyone out > >> there who is having trouble trying to fit all the > >> pieces of the puzzle together on their own... ;) > >> > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Gary > >> > >> > >> > >> All The World's A Stage... Listen to my tunes > @ > >> > > http://soundcloud.com/happyrat1<<< > >> - > >> > >> > -- > >> Live Security Virtual Conference > >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways > today's security and > >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers > can respond. Discussions > >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and > the latest in malware > >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > > > -- > David > gn...@hawaii.rr.com > authenticity, honesty, community > http://clanjones.org/david/ > http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's > security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can > respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the > latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] KXStudio
Last I tried KXStudio, it wouldn't run on any of my main audio systems because it requires the processor have the PAE extensions, which mine don't. On 08/29/2012 04:26 AM, S. Christian Collins wrote: > I will second this recommendation. Another nice touch is the ability to > run PulseAudio as a Jack client, which means using KXStudio, I never > have problems with applications not able to produce sound. > > -~Chris > > On 08/29/2012 09:22 AM, Gary G. wrote: >> I've seen a lot of buzz on the list lately about >> Multimedia Based Distros and Addons that make >> working with Rosegarden and Jack Audio a little >> easier. >> >> I've been using KXStudio for the past year without >> a hiccup. It's an addon for Ubuntu and Kubuntu but >> also claims to be workable with other distros as >> well. >> >> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ >> >> It works well, is well maintained and generally >> quite stable. I'd fully recommend it to anyone out >> there who is having trouble trying to fit all the >> pieces of the puzzle together on their own... ;) >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Gary >> >> >> >> All The World's A Stage... Listen to my tunes @ >> > http://soundcloud.com/happyrat1<<< >> - >> >> -- >> Live Security Virtual Conference >> Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and >> threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions >> will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware >> threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Printing & staff formatting suggestions
On 08/28/2012 03:45 AM, k...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 12:15:54 -0400 David > Tisdell wrote: > >> Rosegarden uses Lilypond for printing. You should be able to print >> directly from Rosegarden as long as Lilypond is installed. I use >> Suse as well. I seem to remember needng to manually install >> lilypond with a script because i had trouble finding an rpm for >> suse but it wasn't a big deal. > > BTW which suse are you using (I'm on 12.1)& how did you get > rosegarden to make a sound? > > I just installed Musix-2.0 which is OK buty if I have to boot a > studio system just for rosegarden than I might as well boot windows& > be able to do other things while waiting for inspiration instead of > perspiration :-) Try Musix 3 beta. Haven't needed to boot Windows to do "other things". -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] KXStudio
I will second this recommendation. Another nice touch is the ability to run PulseAudio as a Jack client, which means using KXStudio, I never have problems with applications not able to produce sound. -~Chris On 08/29/2012 09:22 AM, Gary G. wrote: > I've seen a lot of buzz on the list lately about > Multimedia Based Distros and Addons that make > working with Rosegarden and Jack Audio a little > easier. > > I've been using KXStudio for the past year without > a hiccup. It's an addon for Ubuntu and Kubuntu but > also claims to be workable with other distros as > well. > > http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ > > It works well, is well maintained and generally > quite stable. I'd fully recommend it to anyone out > there who is having trouble trying to fit all the > pieces of the puzzle together on their own... ;) > > > Regards, > > Gary > > > > All The World's A Stage... Listen to my tunes @ > http://soundcloud.com/happyrat1 <<< > - > > -- > Live Security Virtual Conference > Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and > threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions > will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware > threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > > -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] KXStudio
I've seen a lot of buzz on the list lately about Multimedia Based Distros and Addons that make working with Rosegarden and Jack Audio a little easier. I've been using KXStudio for the past year without a hiccup. It's an addon for Ubuntu and Kubuntu but also claims to be workable with other distros as well. http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/ It works well, is well maintained and generally quite stable. I'd fully recommend it to anyone out there who is having trouble trying to fit all the pieces of the puzzle together on their own... ;) Regards, Gary All The World's A Stage... Listen to my tunes @ >>> http://soundcloud.com/happyrat1 <<< - -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 29 Aug 2012, at 15:36, John wrote: [...] > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of > being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to > spend my time to smell the roses. Well said, sir. R -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 09:36:26 -0400 John wrote: > > I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs > that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by > time spent to make programs work. > I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of > being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to > spend my time to smell the roses. > > John Well, I totally disagree with this. My DAW was installed about 4 years ago, apart from the occasional security update it has remained unchanged. Although, yes, I occasionally update Rosegarden from SVN and also Yoshimi, neither of which it particularly difficult. My office machine was installed even earlier, and the only reason I re-installed the OS was because I'd tried playing silly buggers with it, knowing full well the risks. So it was no loss, because it is now running debian wheezy very happily. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] The future of Linux sure looks bleak...
On 2012-08-28, at 1:05 PM, jimmy wrote: > > Well so-called true geeks are just people who believe they have seen enough > to know that Linux/Unix can be customized however they want. They are not > the know-it-all either. They spent long hours to learn how things are done > and replicated those scripts and programs, learning from open-source code > available to them. I simply say that the "geeks" are just determined to get > it done be cause they it can be done. > > Pseuodo geeks are either newbies, or wannabe's who haven't spent time to > learn how things work, or are afraid of spending time to learn. > > Most people who have spent time to learn how to get jackd/qjackctl, > fluidsynth/qsynth, rosegarden, MIDI working on a low-latency Linux kernel is > a Linux MIDI geek already. Perhaps not a Linux sys-admin geek, or Bash > script geek, Perl geek, Python geek... It's just a matter of how much one > really wants to learn, and spent the appropriate time to learn, that's all. > The other side of that is ignorance. > > Jimmy > I programmed my first computer in 1956 (IBM650). I am very fortunate to have been actively involved in the use and development of sophisticated software and hardware. In the early days there was no talk of "geeks" . Curiosity and a dedicated willingness to advance the state of the art were the driving force. Initially, the main tools were the mastering of assembly language as used for the misc computers, and then later for the misc CPU's that become available in the early 70. High level languages become available in the late 50 and become fast more and more sophisticated. As a young engineer, it was my pride to to keep up with the advances as much as I could. In 1994 Linux made its appearance and very quickly become a favourite for those who wanted to know the inside of how things were done and who were also interested in modifying program written by other programmers. The concept of "Open Source" was widely hailed as a major breakthrough, but was also widely misunderstood in its usage. Many companies who incorporated Linux into their products found themselves involved in expensive law suits or to take the lesser evil, paying heavy royalties. D.Michael McIntyre, the originator of this thread, had it right with his statement that "The future of Linux sure looks bleak". It is certainly true as far as the "Desktop" Linux goes. On the other hand, it is not true for the Server market. The significant difference is that the server version has no unnecessary frills. It is very basic Linux with no GUI's and no clever enhancements. A number of writer to this thread made reference to their recently discovered new distro (whatever !) that is not suffering from any of the known illnesses. I can assure them that they are living in a dream world. The next update will bring them back to reality. I still use Linux for the mental challenges it provides me, but for programs that I need for my personal use, I prefer to pay in real money and not by time spent to make programs work. I have reached the point in life where I become immune to the accusation of being to lazy to learn how to make programs to work. I rather prefer to spend my time to smell the roses. John -- Live Security Virtual Conference Exclusive live event will cover all the ways today's security and threat landscape has changed and how IT managers can respond. Discussions will include endpoint security, mobile security and the latest in malware threats. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfrnl04242012/114/50122263/ ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
