Re: [Rosegarden-user] New sound, new way of working
On 09/29/2012 11:09 AM, Abrolag wrote: > I've finally worked out how to use two keyboards recording to two different > tracks with two different voices at the same time, but through one instance of > Rosegarden and with sounds from one of yoshimi. Also I have a new instrument > sound, that I call Solo. > > So now I can freely record a genuine two handed improv, hearing as I play > exactly the same as it will playback. Up to now I've had to record to a single > sound, then split out the left hand. > > So, here we are with my first free-form tune played exactly as I felt the > notes > coming. > > Now, do I do anything with it or leave it alone? > > http://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/solo/download PS My non-musical wife said "I like the song." -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 09/28/2012 10:26 PM, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 09/29/2012 04:04 AM, david wrote: > >> I blame it on the "absolute time" idea. Sometimes I think that if each >> "note" consisted only of a unique ID #, pitch, duration, and the unique >> ID # _of the note that follows it_, there'd be less of this problem. > > The solution to that kind of thing is to be a notation editor instead of > a sequencer. In a notation editor, notes are everything, and MIDI is > generated as needed. In a sequencer, MIDI is everything, and notes are > generated as needed. Rosegarden is kind of straddling the line here, > but it's still a sequencer. What you have is basically start times, > durations, pitch, plus a lot of special metadata to improve notation > rendering. I don't know the history of development of the MIDI standard, but I think the people behind it didn't give a hoot about notation. MIDI has always had the feel (to me) that it was designed by engineers and programmers, not musicians. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New sound, new way of working
On 09/29/2012 11:09 AM, Abrolag wrote: > I've finally worked out how to use two keyboards recording to two different > tracks with two different voices at the same time, but through one instance of > Rosegarden and with sounds from one of yoshimi. Also I have a new instrument > sound, that I call Solo. So how did you set it up? > So now I can freely record a genuine two handed improv, hearing as I play > exactly the same as it will playback. Up to now I've had to record to a single > sound, then split out the left hand. > > So, here we are with my first free-form tune played exactly as I felt the > notes > coming. > > Now, do I do anything with it or leave it alone? > > http://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/solo/download Listening to it right now. I like the Solo sound (if that's what you're using for the melody). Seem quite expressive. Seems a little thin in the bass - maybe add a bowed double bass? Or a duet with a cello? There are points toward the end where I feel like a cello playing counterpoint with the main melody would fit nicely. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 09/29/2012 11:11 AM, Abrolag wrote: > On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:26:03 -0400 > "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: >> Rosegarden has stretched the limits of what is possible quite a long >> way, but at the core, trying to do full featured notation on top of a >> sequencer is just nuts. That has to be why no commercial developer has >> ever tried it. It's a labor founded on twin pillars of love and not >> being wrapped too tight. > > Then I shall happily be nuts alongside Rosegarden. In spite of my occasional > gripes and grumbles I wouldn't want to be without it! Me, neither. I've tried some other notation editors, and they're poor sequencers. (And usually have problems playing back, too.) Rosegarden's the best! -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [RESOLVED] rest removal?
On 09/29/2012 03:25 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote: > On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:40:11 + > rosegarden-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > >> Send Rosegarden-user mailing list submissions to >> rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> rosegarden-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> rosegarden-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Rosegarden-user digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (Abrolag) >> 2. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (Richard Bown) >> 3. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (gn...@hawaii.rr.com) >> 4. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (gn...@hawaii.rr.com) >> 5. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (david) >> 6. rest removal? (k...@trixtar.org) >> 7. Re: rest removal? (Lorenzo Sutton) >> 8. Re: rest removal? (D. Michael McIntyre) >> >> >> -- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:11:41 +0100 >> From: Abrolag >> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound >> To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> Message-ID:<20120924181141.2c8e92b3@debian> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> > > > > >> -- >> >> Message: 7 >> Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:33:23 +0200 >> From: Lorenzo Sutton >> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal? >> To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> Message-ID:<5066a443.8070...@gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >> >> On 29/09/12 05:20, k...@trixtar.org wrote: >>> >>> >>> In the notation editor, how can I delete/remove/erase a rest the same way I >>> would do a note, >> >> Well.. answer is, you can't really. That is the rest the default >> 'silence' when no notes are present. If you have deleted notes and are >> left with multiple e.g. 1/4 rests you can collapse them with the Adjust >> > Rests menu. >> >> or complete measures for that matter? >> >> That's also not possible from the notation editor... The only thing you >> can do is shorten/lengthen a segment from the Segment menu. >> >> Another operation which might 'delete' complete measures is "Cut and >> close" which will cut the notes in a measure but also delete the space >> where they where (basiclly plulling back everything that follows). This >> however will leave empty space at the end of the segment. > > This is exactly what I had in mind and it does notes as well > as rests! Never saw "cut& _close_" in any other software > before and so I didn't see it in the rosegarden menu either ;-) > > The original problem was that I imported a midi file in the > middle of which there were about 5 measures of rests for no > reason. I was just going to cut the segment in two to get > them out that way. > > Thanks I've hit a number of MIDIs from the internet that have weird problems like that in Rosegarden. They play fine, though, so I think it's just notation weirdness. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] New sound, new way of working
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012, Abrolag wrote: > I've finally worked out how to use two keyboards recording to two different > tracks with two different voices at the same time, but through one instance of > Rosegarden and with sounds from one of yoshimi. Also I have a new instrument > sound, that I call Solo. > > So now I can freely record a genuine two handed improv, hearing as I play > exactly the same as it will playback. Up to now I've had to record to a single > sound, then split out the left hand. I was always happy that technology lets me play one after another :) I even like it to add modulation wheel and pitch bend in a second step. Best Regards Holger -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] [RESOLVED] rest removal?
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 07:40:11 + rosegarden-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net wrote: > Send Rosegarden-user mailing list submissions to > rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rosegarden-user-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rosegarden-user-ow...@lists.sourceforge.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rosegarden-user digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (Abrolag) >2. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (Richard Bown) >3. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (gn...@hawaii.rr.com) >4. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (gn...@hawaii.rr.com) >5. Re: Guitar notation vs. sound (david) >6. rest removal? (k...@trixtar.org) >7. Re: rest removal? (Lorenzo Sutton) >8. Re: rest removal? (D. Michael McIntyre) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2012 18:11:41 +0100 > From: Abrolag > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound > To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <20120924181141.2c8e92b3@debian> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > -- > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2012 09:33:23 +0200 > From: Lorenzo Sutton > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal? > To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Message-ID: <5066a443.8070...@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 29/09/12 05:20, k...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > > > > In the notation editor, how can I delete/remove/erase a rest the same way I > > would do a note, > > Well.. answer is, you can't really. That is the rest the default > 'silence' when no notes are present. If you have deleted notes and are > left with multiple e.g. 1/4 rests you can collapse them with the Adjust > > Rests menu. > > or complete measures for that matter? > > That's also not possible from the notation editor... The only thing you > can do is shorten/lengthen a segment from the Segment menu. > > Another operation which might 'delete' complete measures is "Cut and > close" which will cut the notes in a measure but also delete the space > where they where (basiclly plulling back everything that follows). This > however will leave empty space at the end of the segment. This is exactly what I had in mind and it does notes as well as rests! Never saw "cut & _close_" in any other software before and so I didn't see it in the rosegarden menu either ;-) The original problem was that I imported a midi file in the middle of which there were about 5 measures of rests for no reason. I was just going to cut the segment in two to get them out that way. Thanks -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;258768047;13503038;j? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On Sat, 29 Sep 2012 04:26:03 -0400 "D. Michael McIntyre" wrote: > Rosegarden has stretched the limits of what is possible quite a long > way, but at the core, trying to do full featured notation on top of a > sequencer is just nuts. That has to be why no commercial developer has > ever tried it. It's a labor founded on twin pillars of love and not > being wrapped too tight. Then I shall happily be nuts alongside Rosegarden. In spite of my occasional gripes and grumbles I wouldn't want to be without it! -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] New sound, new way of working
I've finally worked out how to use two keyboards recording to two different tracks with two different voices at the same time, but through one instance of Rosegarden and with sounds from one of yoshimi. Also I have a new instrument sound, that I call Solo. So now I can freely record a genuine two handed improv, hearing as I play exactly the same as it will playback. Up to now I've had to record to a single sound, then split out the left hand. So, here we are with my first free-form tune played exactly as I felt the notes coming. Now, do I do anything with it or leave it alone? http://soundcloud.com/soft-sounds/solo/download -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound
On 09/29/2012 04:44 AM, Abrolag wrote: > On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:31:44 +0200 > Richard Bown wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolagwrote: >> >>> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000 >>> david wrote: >>> >>> Guitarists are like cats. >>> >> >> Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists? >> >> R > > Now *there's* an interesting concept. Life with Dennis Coffey and the Detroit Guitar Band? -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Guitar notation vs. sound
On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:31:44 +0200 Richard Bown wrote: > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Abrolag wrote: > > > On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 09:32:13 -1000 > > david wrote: > > > > Guitarists are like cats. > > > > Does this mean that managing software developers is like herding guitarists? > > R Now *there's* an interesting concept. -- Will J Godfrey http://www.musically.me.uk Say you have a poem and I have a tune. Exchange them and we can both have a poem, a tune, and a song. -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 09/29/2012 04:04 AM, david wrote: > I blame it on the "absolute time" idea. Sometimes I think that if each > "note" consisted only of a unique ID #, pitch, duration, and the unique > ID # _of the note that follows it_, there'd be less of this problem. The solution to that kind of thing is to be a notation editor instead of a sequencer. In a notation editor, notes are everything, and MIDI is generated as needed. In a sequencer, MIDI is everything, and notes are generated as needed. Rosegarden is kind of straddling the line here, but it's still a sequencer. What you have is basically start times, durations, pitch, plus a lot of special metadata to improve notation rendering. Rosegarden has stretched the limits of what is possible quite a long way, but at the core, trying to do full featured notation on top of a sequencer is just nuts. That has to be why no commercial developer has ever tried it. It's a labor founded on twin pillars of love and not being wrapped too tight. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 09/28/2012 09:33 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 29/09/12 05:20, k...@trixtar.org wrote: >> >> >> In the notation editor, how can I delete/remove/erase a rest the same way I >> would do a note, > > Well.. answer is, you can't really. That is the rest the default > 'silence' when no notes are present. If you have deleted notes and are > left with multiple e.g. 1/4 rests you can collapse them with the Adjust > > Rests menu. > > or complete measures for that matter? > > That's also not possible from the notation editor... The only thing you > can do is shorten/lengthen a segment from the Segment menu. > > Another operation which might 'delete' complete measures is "Cut and > close" which will cut the notes in a measure but also delete the space > where they where (basiclly plulling back everything that follows). This > however will leave empty space at the end of the segment. Hmm, didn't even know about the "Cut and close" operation ... > All real manipulation of measures is done in the main window through > segment editing. Yes, I was thinking that the original poster could split the segment before (and after) the empty measures he wants to get rid of, delete the segment containing the empty measures, move the second segment up to abut the first, then join the two segments? I think the original poster's problem is what I've seen when recording into RG from my MIDI keyboard. Note durations come in fine (locked to as performed). But if I start editing the notes, moving them around, things sometimes get weird and rests start spontaneously appearing where they weren't before. I know quantizing is supposed to help, but sometimes it doesn't ... > Unfortunately this is a shortcoming of all sequencers (all the linux > sequencers I know of) using the 'segment' (aka clip) paradigm which, for > example, cubase used and is indeed sometimes limiting. > > Lorenzo. I think the old SongWrite I used to use on Windows had the same problem. I blame it on the "absolute time" idea. Sometimes I think that if each "note" consisted only of a unique ID #, pitch, duration, and the unique ID # _of the note that follows it_, there'd be less of this problem. -- David gn...@hawaii.rr.com authenticity, honesty, community http://clanjones.org/david/ http://dancing-treefrog.deviantart.com/ -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 09/28/2012 11:20 PM, k...@trixtar.org wrote: > In the notation editor, how can I delete/remove/erase a rest the same way I > would do a note, or complete measures for that matter? Rosegarden fills empty spaces with rests automatically. You can normalize and collapse them to get them recalculated, but the only way to make one disappear permanently is to fill in the hole in time it represents. If you're having problems with rests that don't look like they should be there, it probably points to something else needing to be tweaked to clean up the notation and get it looking right. I'm happy to help on a case by case basis, but there's just too much to try to write some generic outline. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] rest removal?
On 29/09/12 05:20, k...@trixtar.org wrote: > > > In the notation editor, how can I delete/remove/erase a rest the same way I > would do a note, Well.. answer is, you can't really. That is the rest the default 'silence' when no notes are present. If you have deleted notes and are left with multiple e.g. 1/4 rests you can collapse them with the Adjust > Rests menu. or complete measures for that matter? That's also not possible from the notation editor... The only thing you can do is shorten/lengthen a segment from the Segment menu. Another operation which might 'delete' complete measures is "Cut and close" which will cut the notes in a measure but also delete the space where they where (basiclly plulling back everything that follows). This however will leave empty space at the end of the segment. All real manipulation of measures is done in the main window through segment editing. Unfortunately this is a shortcoming of all sequencers (all the linux sequencers I know of) using the 'segment' (aka clip) paradigm which, for example, cubase used and is indeed sometimes limiting. Lorenzo. > > > > -- > How fast is your code? > 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. > Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. > http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? > http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- How fast is your code? 3 out of 4 devs don\\\'t know how their code performs in production. Find out how slow your code is with AppDynamics Lite. http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;262219672;13503038;z? http://info.appdynamics.com/FreeJavaPerformanceDownload.html ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
