Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 04/28/2014 04:24 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > ... > Qsynth seems to completely override this and the only way to add > reverb seemsto be using its own controls. On the other hand fluidsynth > (from command line) responds correctly to the reverb (and chorus) > control changes. Lorenzo. In my experience, you need to enable the reverb in the qsynth GUI, turn up the level, and that will set your maximum reverb level for the synth. However, CC91 should still control the reverb level per-track, with some amount of reverb level variance provided by the per-instrument/preset reverb levels contained within the SoundFont itself. The same holds true for the chorus. -~Chris -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 28/04/2014 23:43, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/28/2014 05:24 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > >> On the other hand fluidsynth (from command line) responds correctly to >> the reverb (and chorus) control changes. > > Thanks for looking into this, Lorenzo. QSynth does have its own reverb > and chorus knobs built into the GUI. It makes a certain kind of sense > that they would implement these as global parameters and ignore per > channel controllers. mhh I'm not really sure about that, but I see a use case for it. It seems the Qsynth controls "mimic" the fluidsynth parameters, but ignore channel events. Otherwise you could send conflicting messages on > the channels and have your GUI reflecting one thing and your synth > engine playing something entirely different. > > Looks like using fluidsynth from the command line is the way to go to > get this to work as expected then. That's good information to > disseminate. Thanks. > Yes.. I'd also point out the possibility to route the audio output of the synth to many of the (nice) reverbs available (LADSPA or whatever (or if you use fluidsynth directly as a synth in Rosegarden just add it to the track..) Lorenzo. -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 04/28/2014 05:24 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On the other hand fluidsynth (from command line) responds correctly to > the reverb (and chorus) control changes. Thanks for looking into this, Lorenzo. QSynth does have its own reverb and chorus knobs built into the GUI. It makes a certain kind of sense that they would implement these as global parameters and ignore per channel controllers. Otherwise you could send conflicting messages on the channels and have your GUI reflecting one thing and your synth engine playing something entirely different. Looks like using fluidsynth from the command line is the way to go to get this to work as expected then. That's good information to disseminate. Thanks. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 26/04/14 11:55, Victor henri wrote: > Hello > > I would like to apply Reverb to a single MIDI track in Rosegarden. There > is a knob for that for each track but it seems not working. My version of Rosegarden (14.06) is correctly sending a controller 91 event (the reverb controller in General Midi) when the 'Reverb' knob is turned, so my guess is that the synth / soundfont you are using isn't responding to such controller. Qsynth seems to completely override this and the only way to add reverb seemsto be using its own controls. On the other hand fluidsynth (from command line) responds correctly to the reverb (and chorus) control changes. Lorenzo. > I use the last Rosegarden version available in the repositories of Ubuntu. > Any help? > > thank you > > Victor > > > -- > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > > > > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user > -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
Hello Michael Thank you for your answer. Indeed, I forgot to say that I am using Qsynth (with my own soundfont bank, that looks like the Fluidsynth soundfont). If I understand you well, this issue is very complicated to solve? Should I search in Qsynth config how to solve it? Or are you aware of an alternative software to use instead of Qsynth, that would solve the problem? Fot the record, Rosegarden version in Ubuntu 10.10 is 13.04. Thank you Victor > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2014 16:03:49 -0400 > From: rosegarden.trumpe...@gmail.com > To: rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track > > On 04/26/2014 05:55 AM, Victor henri wrote: > > > I would like to apply Reverb to a single MIDI track in Rosegarden. There > > is a knob for that for each track but it seems not working. > > I use the last Rosegarden version available in the repositories of Ubuntu. > > Any help? > > The latest Rosegarden you can get through Ubuntu is probably a bit old, > but it is unlikely that the age of your Rosegarden is your problem in > this case. > > It is most likely that whatever you are using to reproduce MIDI either > does not understand reverb or handles reverb differently from expected. > It could be on a different, non-standard controller, or it could be > something radically wild like the Korg M3 example asked in the other > question. > > The place to start, therefore, is to establish what you are using to > reproduce MIDI. Typically this will be QSynth with the Fluid soundfont, > but there are dozens, even hundreds or thousands of other possibilities. > Unfortunately, this particular issue is immensely complicated. > -- > D. Michael McIntyre > > -- > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user -- "Accelerate Dev Cycles with Automated Cross-Browser Testing - For FREE Instantly run your Selenium tests across 300+ browser/OS combos. Get unparalleled scalability from the best Selenium testing platform available. Simple to use. Nothing to install. Get started now for free." http://p.sf.net/sfu/SauceLabs___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
er... I think I was the one who contributed the set of rgd s for the M3 (oops) but it was my first attempt and I didn't know that the format went beyond the voice program stuff at the time so I'll have another look at that sometime and see what I can do... On Sun, 2014-04-27 at 07:39 -0400, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/27/2014 06:03 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > > > However, maybe there is scope for including some of these > > settings in the Voice Program files (*.rgd) that are contributed by > > users. > > We have a bunch of them. Maybe the guy who made yours just goofed. If > yours works better than the one we ship (if we ship one... not in a > position to check just now) I'm quite happy to switch it out for your > improved version. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 04/27/2014 06:03 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > However, maybe there is scope for including some of these > settings in the Voice Program files (*.rgd) that are contributed by > users. We have a bunch of them. Maybe the guy who made yours just goofed. If yours works better than the one we ship (if we ship one... not in a position to check just now) I'm quite happy to switch it out for your improved version. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
Hi, since posting the question I did have a look at the Control settings in Studio/Manage Midi Devices and found the relevant parameters (I know! I should have done this before posting! ><). It seems that Reverb control on the M3 is set using a value of 93 and this was allocated to Chorus within RG. I swapped these values and (after a restart) the Reverb 'knob' now controls M3 Reverb (Result!). As you say Michael these things are device specific and the developers can't be expected to cater for any more than GM. However, maybe there is scope for including some of these settings in the Voice Program files (*.rgd) that are contributed by users. That way it gets covered to the extent that is felt necessary by the user base, without such a huge effort on the part of the developers (to whom great thanks are owed for a great program). Of course it could be that there is so much variety in the way that manufacturers implement these features that even this would not be a practical solution. Best wishes, Chuck. On Sat, 2014-04-26 at 15:58 -0400, D. Michael McIntyre wrote: > On 04/26/2014 06:23 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > > > I have found that the reverb on my Korg M3 is > > controlled by the "Chorus" control in RG and not > > by the "Reverb" 'knob'. > > Is there a way I can correct this? > > In general you want to play with Studio -> Manage MIDI Devices... and go > make manual edits to the controller setup. In this specific case, > however, I went and grabbed the manuals for this beast and 20 minutes > later I'm scratching my head. The words "reverb" and "chorus" don't > even appear in the manual anywhere, and it appears to be a very unique > and massively non-standard piece of kit where every single factory > program might use different controllers for different purposes. > > Rosegarden is not well suited to control such a beast, having been > designed with General MIDI in mind. It isn't that Rosegarden is only > suitable for GM, but GM is the model we had in mind when we designed it, > and anything that is massively non-GM just doesn't fit the model very > efficiently, and falls into a big gray area. > > I don't know what I could manage to do with it if I had one. I'm sure I > could figure something out somehow. It's much too complicated a thing > for me to figure out without access to and experience with the actual > hardware though. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
It would be nice to have a way to change the MIDI commands output. A kind of patch panel that allows you to edit a MIDI command output. in this way the GM standard reverb control command could be translated into a custom command to any MIDI instrument, reading commands directly from their user manuals. Better still if, as some other programs, if Rosegarden could learn "listening" to this command maybe present to the instrument panel, in other words, the possibility of putting Rosegarden listening for the reverb command (or any other), make changes to the reverberation command of the instrument, and see Rosegarden using this new code, customizing the configuration, for the reverb command for the specific instrument. The ability to save the setting and perhaps be able to share the configuration file of a particular instrument would then be the maximum. But maybe I really wonder too, maybe you will understand that I am not a developer. :-) Il giorno sab, 26/04/2014 alle 15.58 -0400, D. Michael McIntyre ha scritto: > On 04/26/2014 06:23 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > > > I have found that the reverb on my Korg M3 is > > controlled by the "Chorus" control in RG and not > > by the "Reverb" 'knob'. > > Is there a way I can correct this? > > In general you want to play with Studio -> Manage MIDI Devices... and go > make manual edits to the controller setup. In this specific case, > however, I went and grabbed the manuals for this beast and 20 minutes > later I'm scratching my head. The words "reverb" and "chorus" don't > even appear in the manual anywhere, and it appears to be a very unique > and massively non-standard piece of kit where every single factory > program might use different controllers for different purposes. > > Rosegarden is not well suited to control such a beast, having been > designed with General MIDI in mind. It isn't that Rosegarden is only > suitable for GM, but GM is the model we had in mind when we designed it, > and anything that is massively non-GM just doesn't fit the model very > efficiently, and falls into a big gray area. > > I don't know what I could manage to do with it if I had one. I'm sure I > could figure something out somehow. It's much too complicated a thing > for me to figure out without access to and experience with the actual > hardware though. -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 04/26/2014 05:55 AM, Victor henri wrote: > I would like to apply Reverb to a single MIDI track in Rosegarden. There > is a knob for that for each track but it seems not working. > I use the last Rosegarden version available in the repositories of Ubuntu. > Any help? The latest Rosegarden you can get through Ubuntu is probably a bit old, but it is unlikely that the age of your Rosegarden is your problem in this case. It is most likely that whatever you are using to reproduce MIDI either does not understand reverb or handles reverb differently from expected. It could be on a different, non-standard controller, or it could be something radically wild like the Korg M3 example asked in the other question. The place to start, therefore, is to establish what you are using to reproduce MIDI. Typically this will be QSynth with the Fluid soundfont, but there are dozens, even hundreds or thousands of other possibilities. Unfortunately, this particular issue is immensely complicated. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
On 04/26/2014 06:23 AM, chuck elliot wrote: > I have found that the reverb on my Korg M3 is > controlled by the "Chorus" control in RG and not > by the "Reverb" 'knob'. > Is there a way I can correct this? In general you want to play with Studio -> Manage MIDI Devices... and go make manual edits to the controller setup. In this specific case, however, I went and grabbed the manuals for this beast and 20 minutes later I'm scratching my head. The words "reverb" and "chorus" don't even appear in the manual anywhere, and it appears to be a very unique and massively non-standard piece of kit where every single factory program might use different controllers for different purposes. Rosegarden is not well suited to control such a beast, having been designed with General MIDI in mind. It isn't that Rosegarden is only suitable for GM, but GM is the model we had in mind when we designed it, and anything that is massively non-GM just doesn't fit the model very efficiently, and falls into a big gray area. I don't know what I could manage to do with it if I had one. I'm sure I could figure something out somehow. It's much too complicated a thing for me to figure out without access to and experience with the actual hardware though. -- D. Michael McIntyre -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform ___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
Re: [Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
Hi, I have found that the reverb on my Korg M3 is controlled by the "Chorus" control in RG and not by the "Reverb" 'knob'. Is there a way I can correct this? thanks, Chuck. On Sat, 2014-04-26 at 11:55 +0200, Victor henri wrote: > Hello > > I would like to apply Reverb to a single MIDI track in Rosegarden. > There is a knob for that for each track but it seems not working. > I use the last Rosegarden version available in the repositories of > Ubuntu. > Any help? > > thank you > > Victor > -- > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > ___ > Rosegarden-user mailing list > Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
[Rosegarden-user] Reverb for a specific MIDI track
Hello I would like to apply Reverb to a single MIDI track in Rosegarden. There is a knob for that for each track but it seems not working. I use the last Rosegarden version available in the repositories of Ubuntu. Any help? thank you Victor-- Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform___ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
