It might be that, Tracey. I got most of my wit from my paternal grandfather,
and it didn't really trickle down into the rest of the bloodline.
Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then you should come to movie night with us. The analysis happens
after. Mostly
I think so. I can not do it with every one. Just the movie and/ or
avid genre readers. For instance. The Golden Compass might be fun to
watch on movie night because two out of the four or five of us has read
it. Most of us have followed the controversy, all of us have read books
on
In a message dated 12/24/2007 4:26:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Badda Bing Badda Boom he nails it. LOTR was as big and as a
commercial as Hollywood gets. The marketing and advertising budgets
alone were enough to feed most thirdworld countries for a decade.
The
In a message dated 12/24/2007 4:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Simple Plan which features a really fabulous performance from Billy
Bob Thorton. He also directed the Gift and For the Love of The Game.
these films are still not suble films. They are Hollywood films.
Keith, that's when I changed the channel.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie
felt more so to me. It was actually downright depressing. Good series that,
even though the Hulk was drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the
horrible TV
Tracey, that was *me* bashing Ang. Gymfig was bashing me *for* abshing him.
Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I
do not define any writer/director by one or two things they have done,
but their body of work. That is why I was running the resumes of the
I also love the theater experience. For me the experience of home
theater versus movie house is the same as the difference between
record shopping and song downloading. They both have great qualities
but the shared communal experience of buying records from a store is
really uniquely satisfying.
It may not be a typical hollywood film in terms of production or
content or style but it was in every other sense it was absolutely
typical. It was not an indie film. It did not have an indie film
feel. It did not have indie film budget and the underlying point for
everyone involved was to make
I don't know...Thor the Bike Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair)
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, that's when I changed the
channel.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt
more so to me. It was actually downright depressing.
I don't know...Thor the Biker Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair)
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, that's when I changed the
channel.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt
more so to me. It was actually downright depressing.
You said it was a flop. I assumed, it seems correctly that you did not
like it and that is why you were calling it a flop. I was saying just
because you do not like a movie does not mean it necessarily is a flop.
Good circular typing though
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated
I understand that she was supporting Ang. I was telling her in previous
posts that I like him too
Martin wrote:
Tracey, that was *me* bashing Ang. Gymfig was bashing me *for* abshing him.
Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I
do not define any
I understand why that appeals to you. I guess that is why I like our
family movie nights. It makes even bad movies fun. I love the after
movie discussion, the movie background look up, the jokes, the teasing,
the imitating, the pillows on the floor, the fireplace, the fun meals.
We
Tracey, what you describe is precisely why I *can't* watch movies with people.
I do all of the things you described, and invariably am asked to either be
quiet or leave.
Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I
understand why that appeals to you. I guess that
Stepping far outside myself to quote from the rap epic Ride the White Horse,
Nononononono...
Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't
know...Thor the Biker Dude kinda appealed to me...(ducking behind chair)
Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith,
Then you should come to movie night with us. The analysis happens
after. Mostly snarky remarks during bad films or cheers happen during.
The after movie analysis goes on for at least 30 minutes. I think you
need to do it with some serious fans. I would not do it over my moms or
if I was
After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching
Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his
vision for that one.
I don't think that Ang Lee should be define by The Hulk and CTHD. I am sure
that he has done other films.
In a message dated 12/23/2007 7:17:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
M. Night Shyamalan wrote Stuart Little the
same year he did the Six Sense
Flop Too commmerical.
Harry Potter was too commercial. I like LOTR films because it did not have
that Hollywood commercial
Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE more Hollywood than
a multimillion dollar film starring Orlando Bloom, Liv Tyler, Sean Bean,
Cate Blanchett, Hugo Weaving (POST Matrix), Elijah Wood, Sir Ian McKellen
(who HAD done X Men at this point) this was as Hollywood as you could GET
The Lord Of The Rings movies bore me because they move entirely too slow.
There are entire scenes dedicated to establishing shots. I know I'm
Generation X and I'm used to MTV style editing and all that, but I just
think the entire first movie could have been covered in 30 minutes and then
we
You're right, Gymfig. It was unfair of me to toss that out. But I was really
expecting something out of the movie, because the Hulk is my third-favorite
Marvel property, after the FF and Cap.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at
home. mind you, I loved
LMNAO!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i agree, i'd probably need therapy after
seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The Hobbit. I was actually depressed after
Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat movie. I'm all for well done angst in
comic films. Indeed, it's those movies with
I do not define any writer/director by one or two things they have done,
but their body of work. That is why I was running the resumes of the
artists that you said did not have IT or have range to cross over
genres It seems to me that you see one or two thing done by a director
and define
yeah, see, that's one of my problems with younger filmmakers: no establishing
shots. Just like a good story (which it is) a good movie should slowly build to
action and adventure. If you just get on with it, you end up focusing more on
action and less on things like plot, acting, and the
definitely a generational thing. I won't watch a movie on DVD at home unless i
can be assured of watching it in one sitting with minimal interruptions. Don't
take phone calls, prepare my food ahead of time. I get that stopping and
examining the film is cool (do it myself). But they're meant to
although we're diammetrically opposed (see my two responses), and I really
lament the decline in filmmaking quality among some--those damn fast
cameras!--i was impressed with how you stated your feelings. You always have
insightful things to say about movies and pop culture. Obviously you think
In a message dated 12/24/2007 2:46:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In addition to
Crouching Tiger, he won critical acclaim and awards for The Ice Storm,
Sense and Sensibility, Eat Drink Man Woman and Brokeback Mountain.
There are a few other films that he is known
In a message dated 12/24/2007 9:27:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE more Hollywood than
a multimillion dollar film starring Orlando Bloom,
Never really heard of him before this.
Liv Tyler,
Never really
Badda Bing Badda Boom he nails it. LOTR was as big and as a
commercial as Hollywood gets. The marketing and advertising budgets
alone were enough to feed most thirdworld countries for a decade.
Bosco
--- Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wha? Have you SEEN the LOTR films? Is it possible to BE
Raimi has done several projects that were not Action films including
a Simple Plan which features a really fabulous performance from Billy
Bob Thorton. He also directed the Gift and For the Love of The Game.
Bosco
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/24/2007 2:46:58 PM Eastern
Wow, what a wonderful compliment! Thank you!
I talk a lot about popcorn movies, but I really love the art of filmmaking.
When done right, it's a beautiful art form. Many cinematographers and sound
mixers I admire got started on some really crappy films. And a lot of times
in those movies they do
Whether you like it or not is irrelevant in determining a success of a
movie. Try as you might and you do, you can not change facts. Good try
thought/ Stuart Little was such a flop it had a sequel. Im not even
going to go there with The Sixth Sense.Which Harry Potter. How do
you
I was gonna leave this alone with the Raimi discussion, but hey, it's
Christmas.
I think these kinds of conversations are like sports conversations, and so
it's fitting that we're having it around the holiday. It isn't crucial that
you've seen every game ever played, but it helps for one to have
The Angst that you described is the Angst I always felt when watching
the Bill Bixby Series, so while I too needed a stiff drink, it felt more
of the same for me. However, the CGI was absolutely horrible--
especially when the Hulk turned into a bouncing green ball.
Martin wrote:
I forgot he do those. I love him too. Hopefully, Spidey 3 is an aberration
Bosco Bosco wrote:
Raimi has done several projects that were not Action films including
a Simple Plan which features a really fabulous performance from Billy
Bob Thorton. He also directed the Gift and For the Love of
I agree. I do not think you have to have seen every move done by an
artist to assess there abilities, I do think one or two out of 20 or 30
movies is not enough to judge their range.
Daryle wrote:
I was gonna leave this alone with the Raimi discussion, but hey, it's
Christmas.
I think these
so true, and thanks to you too!
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From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Wow, what a wonderful compliment! Thank you!
I talk a lot about popcorn movies, but I really love the art of filmmaking.
When done right, it's a beautiful art form. Many
the series was sombre at times, but the movie felt more so to me. It was
actually downright depressing. Good series that, even though the Hulk was
drastically depowered. Good series, that is, until the horrible TV movie when
they brought that idiotic version of Thor onto the scene. Ever see
my living room is rather narrow and long, and we watch TV across the narrow
width, so I don't quite get the theatre experience. Even if i did, and even
when i get that much-desired 50 plasma TV, i still don't see the theatre being
replaced for me. I love the movie going experience: the crowds,
In a message dated 12/22/2007 10:58:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I seem to like Del Toro, Cuaron, and their work more than you do.
I guess so. They may have talent, but do they have that internal factor of
imagination. I don't see it at all. Hellboy has CGI like
After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching
Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his
vision for that one.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
For The Hobbit? Over my cold, dead body. Yes, it does have dark elements that
might suit Burton's vision, but not overall.
tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about
Tim Burton?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The hobbit is a
(starting daily aspirin shipments to Tracey, in anticipation of the holiday
rush of goofballery)
tdemorsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ugghh, you
guys are giving me a headache
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With
i agree, i'd probably need therapy after seeing an Ang Lee rendition of The
Hobbit. I was actually depressed after Hulk. it was such a brooding, downbeat
movie. I'm all for well done angst in comic films. Indeed, it's those movies
with realistic human drama that are the best, even in the
In a message dated 12/23/2007 7:42:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
After The Hulk, Ang Lee needs to stay at home. mind you, I loved Crouching
Tiger, but I really want to know what he was thinking when he formed his
vision for that one.
The CGI was horrible on that.
Gymfig:
I'm about to attack your notion that Cuarón, del Toro and Tim Burton do
not have IT and that they do not cross over genres. This in not a
personal attack, nor is it born out of anger. I'm having a ball with
this You pick the director game we are playing. This discussion made
me
funny we are discussing Cuaron and del Toro. In addition to Raimi,
they are on Jackson's short list to direct The Hobbit. Read below
Looks Like Those Hobbit Movies Still Need a Director
Jackson recuses himself. For the fans.
by Jeff Giles | December 20, 2007
Blog Article | Discuss Article
In a message dated 12/23/2007 3:56:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
he has been nominated for 3 Oscars,
won a BAFTA Film Award, numerous International, national, state, and
city film critics awards, numerous film festival awards, the list goes
on. Up to 43 awards in
While I would not describe him as talentless as you did, I gotta agree
with you about Burton. he would turn it into a twisted mess. I had too
much egg nog
I told you I'm a big Ang Lee fan. I mentioned Hulk, because people
point to that as his failing and why he should not direct. I was
And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before,
and I will say it again. I saw LOTR in a theater and I have never had such a
good sleep outside of my own bed. I tried again with the second picture, and
again, fell asleep. These just aren¹t my kind of stories. I can
why do you think LOTR bored you at the theatre? what was the difference in your
home viewing experience?
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From: Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
And here is where the fandom line is sort of drawn. I have said this before,
and I will say it again. I saw
You nailed it Keith. Hellboy is freakin fantastic. One of the best
comic to fim adaptations ever.
B
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i gotta disagree on Hellboy. That movie rocked. And some of the
pieces: the initial magic working with Nazis, the religious dude,
the look and feel of their
I'm the industry expert? Me, who from Philly forgot about Smith's
Production company? I do not think so. Thanks though. I really do
not know how they got together. I think if we fans were not so hungry
for more of the the magic that Jackson created with the Lord of the Ring
series.
Chris says it will be a cold day in hell before you ever see catch him
on camera doing the powerpuff dance. But he'd be happy to catch me and
Kira doing it. However, last wee,k during our family tree trimming
gathering, Kira put the Christmas tree skirt on his shoulders and gave
him a big
In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:00:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
they're good examples of story, acting, plotting, action, FX, CGI, and that
all-important, all-evasise look of a film.
They may be okay directors but they don't have the it factor. I don't expect
we just disagree on this, which is cool. i seem to like Del Toro, Cuaron, and
their work more than you do. i think Hellboy is way more than simple CGI...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In a message dated 12/22/2007 11:16:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Well you are in good company. Filmmakers, critics, authors and more see
them in a similar light. Most think Cuaron specifically does have it
I think he's won awards for his work.I agree that it is fine that
people have different perspectives, but this is one time were I can not
even
ugghh, you guys are giving me a headache
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With Bruce Campbell as Gandalf.
On Dec 20, 2007 8:33 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Raimi Helming Hell, Then Hobbit
What about Tim Burton?
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The hobbit is a children's book. It is not a serious film about love
and
lost. I don't think that there is a director out there that could
capture that. If
Henson were alive I think that he could have done
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:27:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What about Tim Burton?
Tracy,
If I could I would come through this computer and slap you silly for that.
LOL!!!
Johnny Depp would be an awful choice for Bilbo. Bilbo would
In a message dated 12/22/2007 12:22:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It's a tricky mix to get the humour, action, drama, FX, and magic down pat
Something that only Jackson can do.
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Personally I want Jackson, but I was trying to come up with someone
who had the imagination for it. I agree he is probalby way to dark,
but i do not think he is any worse than Raimi
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 12/21/2007 10:27:58 PM Eastern
I agree, but if the can get Jackson, who has the imagination and
vision? By the way, how was Willy Wonka. Depp's Michael Jackson
performance in the trailers hs just creeped me out
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Burton's tastes run a bit to the more gothic and
that's why i said Raimi wouldn't be my first choice. I'd go with one of the two
Mexican directors who've shown with Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy, Children of Men,
and Harry Potter that they can balance all the aspects required of such a film
as one based on The Hobbit
-- Original
Burton can be a bit too--what's a good word...?--artificial-seeming to me. All
the riotous colors, the crazy angles of Willy Wonka all turned me off so that I
never saw the film. I was the same way with 'The Grinch, which I unfortunately
did see: it was over-the-top, over saturated with bright
The think del Toro is dark on the order of Raimi and Burton, however, I
won't argue against the idea that he has vision. Children of men is
fantastic, but I can't see what about his work makes you think he would
be good for the Hobbit. I've only seen one Harry Potter all the way
through,
for some reason I feel del Toro's immersion in fantasy (Pan's Labyritnth, Hell
boy) would work, combined with his natural ebullience and childlike sense of
wonder. To use wholly inaccurate words, i just feel he's a more mature
fantasy director than Raimi would be, even though both are on the
I forgot the Children of Men guy did Potter as well. In that case, I
would say he is an excellent choice if we could not have Peter Jackson.
I would also trust Del Toro's vision over Raimi these days. I have not
Seen Pan Labyrinth.While the critics rave, most people I know who
have seen
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